When you crash, remember this bit of advice: Cross your arms across your chest and make fists with your hands. I had a visit with my hand surgeon today and it looks like my cast will be on for closer to 6 months or longer because of my stupid broken scaphoid bone. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/pissed.gif) A scaphoid fracture happens when your hand hits the ground while open when you fall. I read that cross your chest and make fists the day after my crash by a prominent local racer. I wish I had read it two days earlier.
jeremy556, Dec 28 2006, 05:33 AMWhen you crash, remember this bit of advice: Cross your arms across your chest and make fists with your hands. I had a visit with my hand surgeon today and it looks like my cast will be on for closer to 6 months or longer because of my stupid broken scaphoid bone. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/pissed.gif) A scaphoid fracture happens when your hand hits the ground while open when you fall. I read that cross your chest and make fists the day after my crash by a prominent local racer. I wish I had read it two days earlier.
I noticed sete giberneau (poor bastard) do that and wonder why. Now I know.
jeremy556, Dec 28 2006, 05:33 AMWhen you crash, remember this bit of advice: Cross your arms across your chest and make fists with your hands. I had a visit with my hand surgeon today and it looks like my cast will be on for closer to 6 months or longer because of my stupid broken scaphoid bone. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/pissed.gif) A scaphoid fracture happens when your hand hits the ground while open when you fall. I read that cross your chest and make fists the day after my crash by a prominent local racer. I wish I had read it two days earlier.
Your doc doesn't know you have the power of the V force to heal you quicker (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)
kwr8728, Dec 28 2006, 12:44 AMDang jeremy. that Sucks! Well, heres to hoping the doc is wrong... (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/beer.gif)
Was up your way for the last few days in Marietta visiting in-laws, but had to come back early to work on a federal subpoena. I had hoped to eat at Crossroads and see Brad (VFRDonkey) also. Anyway, if anyone has investments in Pfizer, I would get out of them in the next couple months before this lawsuit hits and their Coxib's are taken off the market.
Crossroads, as in Deal's Gap. That place is closed for the winter.. and if you were talking about Turner's Corner, well same deal. Although having the roads to myself with out the traffic or the LEOs is really nice. Im going out tomorrow to break in the POWERS i just put on last week. Should be fun! Now if i can just scrub in these knee sliders that refuse to touch down....
kwr8728, Dec 28 2006, 01:18 AMCrossroads, as in Deal's Gap. That place is closed for the winter.. and if you were talking about Turner's Corner, well same deal. Although having the roads to myself with out the traffic or the LEOs is really nice. Im going out tomorrow to break in the POWERS i just put on last week. Should be fun! Now if i can just scrub in these knee sliders that refuse to touch down....
Crossroad's Grille in Swannee, place that Brad (VFRMonkey) owns, good steak. Make sure your foot is in the right position, on your toes and pointed into the turn heel on or above the heel guard and hang off. Careful up there trying to drag a knee this time of year, last time I was up there this time of year there was a lot of sand and salt on the roads for ice.
jeremy556, Dec 27 2006, 11:33 PMWhen you crash, remember this bit of advice: Cross your arms across your chest and make fists with your hands. I had a visit with my hand surgeon today and it looks like my cast will be on for closer to 6 months or longer because of my stupid broken scaphoid bone. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/pissed.gif) A scaphoid fracture happens when your hand hits the ground while open when you fall. I read that cross your chest and make fists the day after my crash by a prominent local racer. I wish I had read it two days earlier.
Sorry to hear this Jeremy. I've been there. I broke the scaphoid in my right wrist trying (unsuccessfully) to save a crash on a dirtbike. Hurt like a sumbiatch. I guess I got off light, I was in plaster from my finger tips to my armpit for just over 15 weeks, then spent another 4 months rehabbing my right arm. The upside was I learned to write left handed.
Fortunately I had learned the arms-in-tight technique before I started roadracing. It's amazing how long it seems to take to slide (bounce and roll) to a stop from 100mph. Sky-ground-sky-ground-sky-ground-sky-ground-sky-ground-sky-ground-sky-ground-cloud-of-dust. Good luck on the recovery.
jeremy556, Dec 28 2006, 06:33 AMit looks like my cast will be on for closer to 6 months or longer because of my stupid broken scaphoid bone. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/pissed.gif)
So there's no point in sending you a copy of the dutch Playboy? (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/huh.gif)
jeremy556, Dec 28 2006, 12:33 AMWhen you crash, remember this bit of advice: Cross your arms across your chest and make fists with your hands. I had a visit with my hand surgeon today and it looks like my cast will be on for closer to 6 months or longer because of my stupid broken scaphoid bone. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/pissed.gif) A scaphoid fracture happens when your hand hits the ground while open when you fall. I read that cross your chest and make fists the day after my crash by a prominent local racer. I wish I had read it two days earlier.
Thank you.
I have visualised pulling my arms in - and the previsualisation works. But, I had never heard of the making of a fist.
Jeremy, sorry that your recovery will be extended. Let it heal.
The prob is that ever since we were little shavers we always put our hands out to protect the other parts when we fell.
It is almost agin' nature to tuck in with closed fists and it seems as many times as you play it in your mind before a crash, it possibly will not happen when the event is in the process of taking place.
It must be as hard as staying on the gas when things start to slide. We all know we should often take that route but nature can kick in and the desire to stop overtake sensibility.
Now for those who have trained themselves to stay on the gas, that is what it is, training and the opportunity to stay with the gas when the rear starts sliding comes up a lot more often than tucking in for a crash (I hope).
I was at a Keith Code class once when he held up his hands and said, " why would you put these out first during a crash, you EAT with them". Good point.
Oddly, I've had the chance to test out this bit of advice two times now. I have 10 years of martial arts training that conditions me to pull my arms in during a fall. I put my arms out to catch myself one too many times while sparring, and know better these days. Both times I've crashed, my hands were pulled in, and I had little, if any road contact to my gloves. I can recall a discussion on this board years ago, right after I'd started riding, and before either of my wrecks, where I was told my martial arts training would have no correlation to a motorcycle wreck. The prevailing opinion was that falling off a bike is a different world than falling on the floor. It turns out that in my case they are very much related. Falling is falling. If your instinct is to pull your arms in, you will pull them in no matter the type of fall.
solman244, Dec 28 2006, 02:55 PMI can recall a discussion on this board years ago, right after I'd started riding, and before either of my wrecks, where I was told my martial arts training would have no correlation to a motorcycle wreck. The prevailing opinion was that falling off a bike is a different world than falling on the floor. It turns out that in my case they are very much related. Falling is falling. If your instinct is to pull your arms in, you will pull them in no matter the type of fall.
I would divide the crash into two types of crashes.
1, when you fall off your motorcycle at low speed and/or you have space to slide out your crash/fall. In this case the only thing you have to survive is the 4-6 foot fall. With proper execution it is possible to experience very little damage, especially when you fall on one of your strong body parts that can take a beating. You do get bruised but you do not get broken bones. This way the big bones and muscles take the impact, preventing smaller and more fragile body parts from getting injured.
2, when you fall off your motorcycle at high speed and there is no space to safely slide out the crash, such as there are building walls, vehicles and other big and heavy objects obscuring the sliding path. Remember that every time the bone breaks it absorbs energy, thus reducing the impact going to the rest of the body. In this case sometimes we have to sacrifice limbs, smaller bones in order to save vital organs and body parts such as brain, neck and so on. It is mostly better to have a broken wrist or arm than having a broken neck.
jeremy556, Dec 28 2006, 01:08 AM. . . . if anyone has investments in Pfizer, I would get out of them in the next couple months before this lawsuit hits and their Coxib's are taken off the market.
Pfizer gets sued every day. . . just another day at work. Everyone wants to be the "lawyer that brought down Big Bad Pfizer." It won't make a dent in the stock.
jeremy556, Dec 28 2006, 01:08 AM. . . . if anyone has investments in Pfizer, I would get out of them in the next couple months before this lawsuit hits and their Coxib's are taken off the market.
Pfizer gets sued every day. . . just another day at work. Everyone wants to be the "lawyer that brought down Big Bad Pfizer." It won't make a dent in the stock.
They got sued because Viagra caused some people to go blind. The stock was not effected in the least. Talk about irony; you need Viagra to make something work and you are all excited, literally, when it starts working but then you can't see what you are conquering. Guess there's a good side and bad side to that. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/unsure.gif)
Jeremy, sorry to hear about your extended recovery time. Just keep in mind that it could be worse, it could be both hands, or both feet! At least you're still alive and able to recover! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)
On a brighter note, my hand(thumb) is healing really well, my pins are out, I have most of my mobility back, and I will be starting a few physical therapy sessions soon!
theoxmole, Dec 28 2006, 05:39 PMPfizer gets sued every day. . . just another day at work. Everyone wants to be the "lawyer that brought down Big Bad Pfizer." It won't make a dent in the stock.
No, this is not someone suing or even a class action, this is the US DOJ. My company did most of the marketing, research, and some to do with the clinical trials of these drugs. I can assure you from the evidence we are turning over the Coxibs (Celebrex and Bextra) will be pulled from the market just like Vioxx was and for the same reason. When the news gets out Pfizer's stock price is going to take a huge hit.
SEBSPEED, Dec 28 2006, 07:42 PMOn a brighter note, my hand(thumb) is healing really well, my pins are out, I have most of my mobility back, and I will be starting a few physical therapy sessions soon!
SEBSPEED, Dec 28 2006, 07:42 PMOn a brighter note, my hand(thumb) is healing really well, my pins are out, I have most of my mobility back, and I will be starting a few physical therapy sessions soon!
Wishing you a speedy recovery,
Sebastian
Great! Can you ride yet?
I think I could. I gotta fix the vfr now, I'm hoping to be out on the F4i within the next couple weeks, I'm sorting the suspension and doing a little bodywork right now. Four frikken bikes and I can't ride any of them right now. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/pissed.gif)
vfral1, Dec 29 2006, 11:14 PMI had never heard of that crossing arms stuff. Doubt I would be able to think of it at the time I would need it, but one never knows.
You have never crashed before, have you? In a crash your perception of time slows WAY down and what is really a couple of seconds feels like minutes and you think about all kinds of things you wouldn't expect.
VFR4Lee, Dec 29 2006, 11:21 PMPull arms in to fall. Makes sense, but doesn't sound natural. Guess I need some practice. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/goofy.gif)
That scaphoid bone seems to be a problem bone, and a slow healer. Hope it heals well for ya. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/beer.gif)
I need to see that MotoGP doctor, he could probably get me a transplant one or something crazy like that.
I once had a broken wrist and the surgeon wrapped an electronic bone healing device in the cast, it was a prototype and showed remarkable results. This was at least 25 yrs ago, so I am sure they have it dialed in by now.
I have a broken left carpal bone from a motorcycle accident. Non-union fracture. The bone has a very limited blood supply and is notorious for healing poorly. It's essentially a dead bone(s) in my body. So now it makes a loud click when I rotate my thumb just the right way. Doesn't normally hurt though. At least not yet.
I can't train jujitsu any more though. I can take the pressure of the wrist locks, and don't have the ability to really use much torque with it. Then it hurts. I can't really punch with it either, or risk further injury.
Thankfully I'm right handed.
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