Sebspeed asked me to check the horn install I did on my bike in the spring, to see if there was any "surprises" that I might not have noticed.
I just took the biek out, and had a close look. Everything looks great. No rub marks on any lines, the horn is still tight into the bracket, alls good.
Heres a bunch of pictures - more for Seb to get anidea of how it fits.
I go the Stebel off of Lobster, and he was kind enough to epoxy a screen over the output area, so that it wouldn't get filled up with crud.....
Trace, Dec 11 2006, 08:46 AM Just FYI to all out there....this doesn't work on a 5th Gen. I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried..... pissed.gif
Yeah, I know that feeling. Never mind - my Invisible Fiamm Horn Installation seems to work OK. Not as loud as a Stebel perhaps, but better'n stock by a long chalk.
Seriously, someone needs to produce a 5th gen compliant Air Horn!
Trace, Dec 10 2006, 02:46 PM Just FYI to all out there....this doesn't work on a 5th Gen. I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried..... pissed.gif
Trace, Dec 10 2006, 02:46 PM Just FYI to all out there....this doesn't work on a 5th Gen. I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried..... pissed.gif
See!! The vtecs are better!! laugh.gif
Please don't take that seriously, anyone, I have no intentions of going there... ! 3.gif
Thanks for the review Ken! Once I figure out if my triples are/aren't tweaked, I'll be doing this install! Now go wash your bike! goofy.gif Shame on you for putting her away like that. tongue.gif
SEBSPEED, Dec 10 2006, 05:25 PM See!! The vtecs are better!! laugh.gif Please don't take that seriously, anyone, I have no intentions of going there... ! 3.gif Thanks for the review Ken! Once I figure out if my triples are/aren't tweaked, I'll be doing this install! Now go wash your bike! goofy.gif Shame on you for putting her away like that. tongue.gif
the bugs, and dragonfly's help keep her warm in the garage - no way I'm cleaning that stuff!! Bike is made to ride, not be a pretty garage queen.
Lemme know if you need any other pictures. ANy excuse to take her out is good for me!! beer.gif
Yeah, not enough space for it. Someone had one mounted under the rear faring near the reg/rect (or on the opposite side) but thats the only installation I've come across. It almost looks like there is enough room between the front headers and the engine but that may just be a figment. Some of the "driving" situations I've come across though I'd settle for having it taped on above the headlights.
da9b20, Dec 11 2006, 07:20 AMWhy cant you install them on a 5th gen? no room?
thereisnospoon, Dec 11 2006, 07:21 PMYeah, not enough space for it. Someone had one mounted under the rear faring near the reg/rect (or on the opposite side) but thats the only installation I've come across. It almost looks like there is enough room between the front headers and the engine but that may just be a figment. Some of the "driving" situations I've come across though I'd settle for having it taped on above the headlights.
No room. It was me who mounted a Stebel under the right side tail fairing. It was muted by the fairing, and it was werid to have a horn behind you. So, I pulled it off and tried AGAIN to find a front location that wasn't in the way of the fairings (nope), the black center fairing (nope), the front fender under full stop compression (nope) or the lock-to-lock of the forks (nope). There just isn't any real estate up there for this nice Stebel horn. I wish there was, believe me!
So, I bought a set of Blasters, mounting one on a homemade bracket (simple steel bar bent to suit) and the other just forward of the right radiator where there's some space at the back end of the headlight fairing. Sounds pretty good.
So I am asking because I already got an air horn for my 5th gen. Can I cut down the horn, on the large side of the cone without taking away form the sound?
Kanadian Ken, Dec 10 2006, 06:55 PMthe bugs, and dragonfly's help keep her warm in the garage - no way I'm cleaning that stuff!! Bike is made to ride, not be a pretty garage queen.
Lemme know if you need any other pictures. ANy excuse to take her out is good for me!! beer.gif
da9b20, Dec 14 2006, 11:30 AMbump- Can I cut down the horn, on the large side of the cone without taking away form the sound? i dont know much about airhorns.
1) It's unlikely that you'll find anyone here that's cut up a horn and can give you a clear answer.
2) You can bet that Stebel (if that's what you're talking about) wouldn't have added anything to increase the size if they didn't think it was necessary. It's already pretty compact. If you have a Stebel or some other style of airhorn, it's a reasonable assumption that cutting that trumpet will change the tone.
3) The trumpet on any horn serves to deepen and richen the tone. Removing/changing the trumpet could make it more of an "air whistle" instead of an air horn, with a shriller sound. Of course, that might not be a bad thing at all if it really gets attention.
4) Having said all that, it's anyone's guess if triming the cone/trumpet thingy will change the sound very much.
5) Cut your horn up and report back, then we'll all know for sure!! fing02.gif
da9b20, Dec 14 2006, 11:30 AMbump- Can I cut down the horn, on the large side of the cone without taking away form the sound? i dont know much about airhorns.
It's unlikely that you'll find anyone here that's cut up a horn and can give you a clear answer.
I was tempted to cut a piece off the side of one of my horns to get it to fit, but luckily I didn't need to. However, while they do have trumpets, they're not airhorns. I doubt that it would have wrecked them or changed the tone, as they're basically the disk-type horns with a sort of plastic "snail shell" added to them.
Maybe the older air horn design with the separate air pump and trumpets might work better for a space defecient 5th gen. The horns are ususally small, thin and light plastic affairs that could be squeezed into tight spaces within the 5th gen's tight fairings. Supporting the light trumpet units should be very easy because it does not need heavy support brackets. In fact you might even just zip-tie the buggers on to anything solid enough. All you need to adjust is the legnth of the air tubes. The air pump unit should be small enough to find room for, somewhere in the near vicinity of the trumpets. Regarding the Vtec and Stebel horns, I think you can even mount two of those Stebel units on a 6th gen, one under each of the fairing "boobs" , immediately above the radiators. That could make for a trian like sound to blast away those pesky Volvo Estate drivers. Just a thought I'd like to share.....
enzed_viffer, Dec 14 2006, 04:43 PM.... , they're not airhorns. --- they're basically the disk-type horns with a sort of plastic "snail shell" added to them.
To me it was unclear from your post what brand of horn you are talking about.
But if you are refering to the Stebel Nautilus, rest assured that they are indeed an air horn. Although they don't resemble a traditional air horn they have all the basic components of an air horn; pump, diaphragm, resonance/tone horn.
A disk type horn uses electric current on a coil to vibrate a diaphragm much in the same way a stereo speaker cone is vibrated to produce sound.
The Stebel Nautilus uses electric current to spin a motor to compress air which is then used to vibrate a diaphragm. When you hold a Stebel Nautilus in your hand you can feel the torque of the motor when you energize it. If you plug the air intake the horn produces no sound. The Stebel pulls nearly 18 amps as measured through my meter, far more than the 3-6 amps a "disk-type" horn pulls. It takes much more energy to compress air than to energize a coil to vibrate a thin piece of metal.
If you were refering to some other brand of horn please be more specific. The Stebel Nautilus is indeed an air horn in every sense of the term.
enzed_viffer, Dec 14 2006, 04:43 PM.... , they're not airhorns. --- they're basically the disk-type horns with a sort of plastic "snail shell" added to them.
To me it was unclear from your post what brand of horn you are talking about.
True, it was. I apologise profusely for my omission.
If I was rude, and not a lovely, polite Kiwi, then I would say something about "Oh - that's right; you're one of those Murkns they make those programs on TV for that repeat the facts in painful detail every few minutes, to make sure your attention span hasn't been exceeded and you've forgotten what we're talking about." schla15.gif But I'm not like that, so I'll just patiently reply thusly: They are Fiamm (AM80 Super) horns. biggrin.gif
I also won't point out that if you scroll up a few posts, you will see I mentioned that they were Fiamms. warranty.gif
And because I'm polite, helpful, and have little better to do (apart from work, but it's Friday afternoon, and I'm tahhhrrrrd), I will even RE-post a picture of them for you:
do you have to use the relay that comes with the horn? can you just hook it up to the existing horn wiring (since you'll probably be removing that junk stock horn anyhow)?
enzed_viffer, Dec 14 2006, 04:43 PM.... , they're not airhorns. --- they're basically the disk-type horns with a sort of plastic "snail shell" added to them.
To me it was unclear from your post what brand of horn you are talking about.
I also won't point out that if you scroll up a few posts, you will see I mentioned that they were Fiamms. warranty.gif
Daniel Paul, Dec 14 2006, 07:02 PMdo you have to use the relay that comes with the horn? can you just hook it up to the existing horn wiring (since you'll probably be removing that junk stock horn anyhow)?
If you are talking about the Stebels, YES. They pull nearly 18 amps and would smoke your stock horn switch at some point.
But, more importantly, keep in mind that 18 amps is over 50% of your main fuses rating (30 amp) Your wiring is not up to this kind of load from the factory. You would probably smoke the Stebel's motor due to voltage drop from anemic wiring. Or pop fuses all the time. Or burn up some factory wiring.
Use the existing horn circuit to trigger the relay. Come directly off the battery (or better yet, your aux fuse box) through the relay to your Stebel.
Lee 2002, Dec 15 2006, 02:04 PMMy bad. I wasn't following the thread clearly.
No, MY bad. I haven't had lunch, because I left my wallet at home, so I'm a bit snippy today. blush.gif Plus I'm enjoying some LOVELY withdrawl symptoms from refusing to take my venlafaxine. 491.gif
But I tell you what - I feel almost ME! Yay, me!! fing02.gif
Lee 2002, Dec 15 2006, 02:10 PMThey pull nearly 18 amps and would smoke your stock horn switch at some point.
That's a heck of a current; would it be continuous, and mostly when they're first spooling up?
But in any case - if anyone wants better horns, I'd use a relay and some thicker than OEM wire (even with the OEM horn). It makes a huge difference to their efficiency. On the VFR750, I fitted an extra disk-type horn (Hella, or some cheap Japanese or Italian brand), and wired both horns through a relay to big wires from the battery. It was "OW!! Never, ever do that again, Dad!" loud.
I really MUST take my fairing off and take some photos of my install (carefully doctored to make the lasagne brackets look meticulously crafted...) tongue.gif
The ridiculously wimpy horns that most Japanese motorcycle and car manufacturer's put on their vehicles maybe stems from their culture's fondess of cute things like Hello Kitty toys and characters and Pokeman themes that seem to permeate even through the country's adult population (note the continuing popularity of "manga" cartoon movies, though voilent and gorey most times, will always have snippets of cute character introductions. I wonder when the Japanese companies will finally realize that the whole world really prefers loud, ungirly-man-like tooters on their bikes and cars? It never fails, everytime I buy yet another new Japanese vehicle, I always have to change out the horn to get it ready for the BIG American Highways! JMOs
Beck 95 VFR, audio-fortified with low-tone 130+ db Italian Fiamm Snail Horn!
My Fiamm Snail-type horns are supposedly only 110dB. Could be louder. I reckon that maybe the inoffensive horn thing is because melodiously tootling loud horns at one another is anathema to Japanese?
Anyway, what I'd really like is the fantastic, chromed, low-tone beauty they used to fit to the early/mid 70s CB350. Probably a Japanese copy of a Cadillac horn or somesuch.
Do you know of a model or retailer? I have come across a couple online but they didn't have any dimension information. I like the idea...
Beck, Dec 14 2006, 05:10 PMMaybe the older air horn design with the separate air pump and trumpets might work better for a space defecient 5th gen. The horns are ususally small, thin and light plastic affairs that could be squeezed into tight spaces within the 5th gen's tight fairings. Supporting the light trumpet units should be very easy because it does not need heavy support brackets. In fact you might even just zip-tie the buggers on to anything solid enough. All you need to adjust is the legnth of the air tubes. The air pump unit should be small enough to find room for, somewhere in the near vicinity of the trumpets. Regarding the Vtec and Stebel horns, I think you can even mount two of those Stebel units on a 6th gen, one under each of the fairing "boobs" , immediately above the radiators. That could make for a trian like sound to blast away those pesky Volvo Estate drivers. Just a thought I'd like to share.....
"JC Whitney" carries two models at less than 30 bucks per set (2 trumpet and 3 trumpet models). Check out their site and look in their airhorn portion of their catalog. You have to remember though that you will still have to find enough space for the pump unit. It should be easier to find a space for it, because it is smaller than the Stebel integrated pump/horn/ unit that is shown installed by the OP. Good luck on your winter horn project!
Beck 95 VFR
thereisnospoon, Dec 16 2006, 07:43 PMHey Beck-
Do you know of a model or retailer? I have come across a couple online but they didn't have any dimension information. I like the idea...
Beck, Dec 14 2006, 05:10 PMMaybe the older air horn design with the separate air pump and trumpets might work better for a space defecient 5th gen. The horns are ususally small, thin and light plastic affairs that could be squeezed into tight spaces within the 5th gen's tight fairings. Supporting the light trumpet units should be very easy because it does not need heavy support brackets. In fact you might even just zip-tie the buggers on to anything solid enough. All you need to adjust is the legnth of the air tubes. The air pump unit should be small enough to find room for, somewhere in the near vicinity of the trumpets. Regarding the Vtec and Stebel horns, I think you can even mount two of those Stebel units on a 6th gen, one under each of the fairing "boobs" , immediately above the radiators. That could make for a trian like sound to blast away those pesky Volvo Estate drivers. Just a thought I'd like to share.....
Anyone care to post a "How to Install the Stebel Nautilus" guide for those of us (probably just me!) who are less technically minded in things electrical? I got one for Christmas and I want to install it next month.
Daniel Paul, Mar 6 2007, 06:58 PMI just finished mine today, and it is one loud mo-fo! [image: horn.jpg]
That picture is deceiving... is that as close to the front fender as it looks? Doesn't really look like there's much clearance when your suspension compresses. At least Ken's looks to be much higher... just curious?
Also, with the trumpet pointed forward like that are you concerned with bugs and debris getting caught up in there? I like the screen idea KK has on his...
I can not believe this post just popped up!!!!!! unsure.gif I was just researching looking for pictures!! I can't see pics at work so will look when I get home. Hopefully there are some good ones or links to good ones on this thread! I have a Fiamm or however you spell it and found someone to put it on but he wanted wiring pics!!!
Daniel Paul, Mar 6 2007, 06:58 PMI just finished mine today, and it is one loud mo-fo! [image: horn.jpg]
That picture is deceiving... is that as close to the front fender as it looks? Doesn't really look like there's much clearance when your suspension compresses. At least Ken's looks to be much higher... just curious?
Also, with the trumpet pointed forward like that are you concerned with bugs and debris getting caught up in there? I like the screen idea KK has on his...
Nooooo! ohmy.gif don't face the trumpet opneing forward and exposed like that. You WILL end up with water in the horn which will kill it in no time, never mind the pathetic gurgling sounds you will get when you use it. Only do this if you have the opening on the trumpet well covered from direct air flow and rain with fairings. I have already killed a couple of Fiamm snail horns making this mistake. Safest way to install horns is to point their openings down or back as most horm makers say on their instructions. Watch out for the heat coming from the front head/headers too. It won't be friendly to the horn assembly plastics and electrics.
You can mount a Stebel on a 5th gen. I fabracated a bracket that mounts to the old horn bolts and places the air tank at a vertical 90 degree angle and it doesn't hit or rub anything! All it took was alot of carefull measurements and one weekend. I'll post some pictures when I get home and look for the template of my bracket.
Beck, Mar 7 2007, 12:42 PMNooooo! ohmy.gif don't face the trumpet opening forward and exposed like that. You WILL end up with water in the horn which will kill it in no time, never mind the pathetic gurgling sounds you will get when you use it. Only do this if you have the opening on the trumpet well covered from direct air flow and rain with fairings. I have already killed a couple of Fiamm snail horns making this mistake. Safest way to install horns is to point their openings down or back as most horn makers say on their instructions. Watch out for the heat coming from the front head/headers too. It won't be friendly to the horn assembly plastics and electrics.
Beck 95 VFR
I was thinking the same thing... this was just the easiest location to mount it sine I just used the stock horn bracket. I bought a bracket and salvaged a bit of screen door mesh to use on the trumpet. I was thinking about moving it to the little open space on the right side of the bike, behind the battery. I'll let you know how it goes. I'll also see if i can get a weight on both horns. wink.gif
Beck, Mar 7 2007, 12:42 PMNooooo! ohmy.gif don't face the trumpet opening forward and exposed like that. You WILL end up with water in the horn which will kill it in no time, never mind the pathetic gurgling sounds you will get when you use it. Only do this if you have the opening on the trumpet well covered from direct air flow and rain with fairings. I have already killed a couple of Fiamm snail horns making this mistake. Safest way to install horns is to point their openings down or back as most horn makers say on their instructions. Watch out for the heat coming from the front head/headers too. It won't be friendly to the horn assembly plastics and electrics.
Beck 95 VFR
I was thinking the same thing... this was just the easiest location to mount it sine I just used the stock horn bracket. I bought a bracket and salvaged a bit of screen door mesh to use on the trumpet. I was thinking about moving it to the little open space on the right side of the bike, behind the battery. I'll let you know how it goes. I'll also see if i can get a weight on both horns. wink.gif
Maybe consider just flipping the horn to face backwards. That horn should be way loud enough so that facing it back will not make too much of a difference. Mine faces down behind the side of my upper fairing. You can just see the horn on the left side in this pic, next to the left fork tube: [image: gallery_285_20_75354.jpg] MVC-010F.JPG It's a single Fiamm low (low tone/frequency, so that you do not have to direct or focus the sound for it to be heard well) tone snail horn and it certainly gets other driver's attention.
sparkydog21, Mar 7 2007, 03:24 PMYou can mount a Stebel on a 5th gen. I fabracated a bracket that mounts to the old horn bolts and places the air tank at a vertical 90 degree angle and it doesn't hit or rub anything! All it took was alot of carefull measurements and one weekend. I'll post some pictures when I get home and look for the template of my bracket.
I would appreciate this very much as I hope to have a Stebel arriving soon. And if necessary, maybe you could make a bracket to send to me for which I would pay you.
I relocated the horn to that little cubbie hole by the rear brake reservoir. It was definetly a tight fit but... it works out pretty well IMO. The horn seems to be just as loud as it was before, but is now sheltered from the elements. I did all of the wiring in my living room following the instructions that were provided with the horn. [image: Horn007.jpg] I used the reservoir bracket as the horn bracket as well. I used the tank pivot bolt as my ground source and mount for the relay.
My take on a Stebel install. 6th Gen, non ABS. Behind left side cowl, ahead of radiator. This will not work on an ABS bike due to the control box.
Out of the weather, no worries about rain or bugs. Drill holes on the inside fairing to let the noise out. Not visible to bystanders or onlookers, bike remains stock-looking.
I've never had any reason to complain about my stock horn before... sure, it sounds a bit wimpy, but a short tap was always enough to alert anyone who was about to switch into my lane that "hey, I'm here!" Until yesterday, that is. I'm in the right lane, doing a few MPH faster then a lexus-luxo-barge in the left. I'm nearly even with the front door when it starts drifting into my lane. I lean on the horn, and there is absolutely no response from this oblivious lady talking on ther cell phone. You remember those old Infiniti commercials where the guy opens and shuts the car door, and the music from the sound system cuts in and out, ie, "our cars have such great sound insulation!" Yeah, screw you and your sound insulation. Throttle to the stops, vroom vroom, out of danger... I just put in my order for a Nautilus. Lets see you ignore me now, lady. You're gonna overcorrect so fast you're gonna go flying across both oncoming lanes and into the train tracks. fing02.gif
However, there is one thing I'm sort of worried about... the horn button on my '04 is very easy to press. I've hit it a few times accidently while trying to get my blinker or something, and it really doesn't take much pressure to depress it. Not a big deal with the stock horn, just maybe a bit embarrassing if I do it in a parking lot or something. Accidently hitting the Stebel would probably be really embarrassing. Has anyone else has this problem, and is it possible to do anything about it... increase the necessary force to trigger the horn, or something? Thanks,
In my opinion, the horn...stock or Stebel...is the last option you should consider when someone tries to merge into your lane. I might give someone a blast to let them know I'm there if I "even think" they are gonna move into my space, but if someone is totally oblivious and makes an aggressive maneuver towards me, I'm either on the brakes or gas to avoid them. Once the danger has passed I definitely let my Stebel speak for me...maybe even give them a one finger salute too. pissed.gif
PS: I have a 6th Gen w/ABS, and since last September have had my Stebel mounted where the EVAP canister is normally located. It's a tight fit that requires homemade brackets, and to avoid the fairing the horn sits pretty close to the head pipes, but after 6 months it's still working like a champ.
NVR2L8, Apr 24 2007, 11:59 AMIn my opinion, the horn...stock or Stebel...is the last option you should consider when someone tries to merge into your lane. I might give someone a blast to let them know I'm there if I "even think" they are gonna move into my space, but if someone is totally oblivious and makes an aggressive maneuver towards me, I'm either on the brakes or gas to avoid them. Once the danger has passed I definitely let my Stebel speak for me...maybe even give them a one finger salute too. pissed.gif
PS: I have a 6th Gen w/ABS, and since last September have had my Stebel mounted where the EVAP canister is normally located. It's a tight fit that requires homemade brackets, and to avoid the fairing the horn sits pretty close to the head pipes, but after 6 months it's still working like a champ.
Glad this thread resurfaced... I hung mine of the Left rear foot/bag hole bracket at least for now. This Canadian boy would like to know where the evap was, as ares' don't got one a dem unsure.gif Or, has any body else with a 6th gen Abs found another spot? Greg
sckego, Apr 24 2007, 10:10 AMHowever, there is one thing I'm sort of worried about... the horn button on my '04 is very easy to press. I've hit it a few times accidently while trying to get my blinker or something, and it really doesn't take much pressure to depress it. Not a big deal with the stock horn, just maybe a bit embarrassing if I do it in a parking lot or something. Accidently hitting the Stebel would probably be really embarrassing. Has anyone else has this problem, and is it possible to do anything about it... increase the necessary force to trigger the horn, or something? Thanks,
Kegan
Oh yeah, I hit mine all the time with my winter gloves. I hit the horn everytime I cancel the turn signals. I don't worry about it. Sure I get some "what the hell" looks but I don't care.
This thing is wonderful and paid for itself about a month after I put it on (way back in MA...)...It doesn't fit well on the ABS models, and it IS tight under the front fork. The spacing is tight and it does rub, but doesn't hurt anything. The other thing, The ABS model VFR's don't have the TAB. I ended up making myself a "T" bracket to span the open space, and utterly destroyed 2 band-saw blades doing so. A plasma cutter or water jet would have been MUCH better :-)
If I can find my pics, I'll post 'em up. ABS model 2004, installed under the front fork, tight clearance, less a few of the bugs :-)
Yea, between the forks // above the fender works okay on a ABS model, unless you've lowered the front end after rotating the triangle or going with a longer dogbone link. The latter applies to me, which is why I went with installing it where the EVAP canister normally resides. BTW Veefer Madness, I don't know about the other 49 State bikes, but on my CA model the EVAP canister is mounted in front of the oil pan and sorta nested just behind the head pipes. I made brackets out of flat stainless steel that tucks the Stebel into that area, although the horn outlet is close to the head pipes. Like I said, so far no problems with mounting it in that location.
sckego, Apr 24 2007, 10:10 AMHowever, there is one thing I'm sort of worried about... the horn button on my '04 is very easy to press. I've hit it a few times accidently while trying to get my blinker or something, and it really doesn't take much pressure to depress it. Not a big deal with the stock horn, just maybe a bit embarrassing if I do it in a parking lot or something. Accidently hitting the Stebel would probably be really embarrassing. Has anyone else has this problem, and is it possible to do anything about it... increase the necessary force to trigger the horn, or something? Thanks,
Kegan
Oh yeah, I hit mine all the time with my winter gloves. I hit the horn everytime I cancel the turn signals. I don't worry about it. Sure I get some "what the hell" looks but I don't care.
I hit mine all the time, too. I have the same concern, but I think I would rather be embarrassed a few times than have a horn button which is not so easy to operate. I thought about keeping the stock horn and having a switch for the Stebel so that when I'm doing city driving I can avoid accidental triggering. My main need for the Stebel will be at freeway speeds, i think.
I dunno. Anyone else have any ideas on this?
As soon as I upgrade my electrical harness, I plan on installing my Stebel.
no more working on the bike until I get my hardwood project finished. So I guess I should get back to nailing boards and quit wasting time on here!
NVR2L8, Apr 25 2007, 12:51 AMYea, between the forks // above the fender works okay on a ABS model, unless you've lowered the front end after rotating the triangle or going with a longer dogbone link. The latter applies to me, which is why I went with installing it where the EVAP canister normally resides. BTW Veefer Madness, I don't know about the other 49 State bikes, but on my CA model the EVAP canister is mounted in front of the oil pan and sorta nested just behind the head pipes. I made brackets out of flat stainless steel that tucks the Stebel into that area, although the horn outlet is close to the head pipes. Like I said, so far no problems with mounting it in that location.
Thanks. I was thinking there too. I saw an empty hole cast on each side of the lower crankcase. Is that where the EVAP mounts somehow?
Kinda here...
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I inserted a rod in between for my slider kit there, number 10, but I'm switching to Radar's kit. Greg
sparkydog21, Mar 7 2007, 04:24 PMYou can mount a Stebel on a 5th gen. I fabracated a bracket that mounts to the old horn bolts and places the air tank at a vertical 90 degree angle and it doesn't hit or rub anything! All it took was alot of carefull measurements and one weekend. I'll post some pictures when I get home and look for the template of my bracket.
Any chance you found some pics of your 5th gen install?
At the risk of being a smart @ss, it's been six weeks since you posted that you'd put up pics when you get home...has somebody been feeding your dog while your gone? goofy.gif
My bad! I'm sorry my personal life is slowing down your bike modifications. Bracket was made from 3/16" aluminum and keep in mind - additional cutting may be required if you use OEM brake lines.
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