I am looking at spooning on my own tires for the first time. I figured that a couple of tire changes will pay for my tool investment�and when have I ever said no to new tools (look in my garage to see how that plays out�)
As I don�t have the funds to buy everything at once, I plan to invest in a good mount/demount bar (oh how I hate spoons)�the Mojo bar has my respect because it has good acclaim, and is a home brew�power to the inventive type. I also read his website and love his process and ingenuity around all he has done. This will use most of this installments �tool money�, so I will handle balancing and bead breaking with home remedies.
My question now is�.where do I get Valve Stems? What is the right size? I know some people have had problems with the 90 degree type, so they should be avoided? I would love to her suggestions from fellow DIYers.
For the record, weights seem most economical from JCWhitney, at ~$5.33 per pound, in � increments�love to find a better price on them as well.
I don't know where to get them, but as a fellow home tire changer, I can say that you don't really need to change valve stems every time you change tires. They last for years w/o any issues. I'd google "VFR valve stems" for starters. Here's some on ebay
Rice, May 21 2008, 10:35 AMI don't know where to get them, but as a fellow home tire changer, I can say that you don't really need to change valve stems every time you change tires. They last for years w/o any issues. I'd google "VFR valve stems" for starters. Here's some on ebay
The ones that were supposedly "new" with my last set of tires leak from the valve core. I am not impressed and prefer to change them, but I have no reservations to rubber ones, just didn't know if they were a different size. Unfortunantly, Ebay is blocked by my work filter.
Tightwad, May 21 2008, 11:37 AMUnfortunantly, Ebay is blocked by my work filter.
That's because you should be working - Not wasting your company's time on ebay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/warranty.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
You can waste all the time you want on VFRD though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
I got mine from ahem the local HD dealer. Get the shorties as the longer ones at most tire shops could interfer with your rear caliper. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissed.gif) I paid $2.00 for 2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
dude, May 21 2008, 11:47 AMI got mine from ahem the local HD dealer. Get the shorties as the longer ones at most tire shops could interfer with your rear caliper. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissed.gif) I paid $2.00 for 2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
Thats a good price from a dealer, our local Honda dealer sells em for 5.95 ea!! they cost .59, not a bad mark up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
cruzinaz, May 21 2008, 10:41 AMHow soon are you going to mount them? We use short chrome ones, I'll send you some if theres time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
Not a huge rush...probably mounting them in 2-3 weeks as time permits...and when tools arrive. Are they just the standard .453 hole that is used?
cruzinaz, May 21 2008, 10:41 AMHow soon are you going to mount them? We use short chrome ones, I'll send you some if theres time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
Not a huge rush...probably mounting them in 2-3 weeks as time permits...and when tools arrive. Are they just the standard .453 hole that is used?
The stem itself is .400, the rubber seal is stepped and makes it .453
We also stock the short rubber ones with chrome sleeves, I'll toss a couple of those in there for you too, but unless you have the tool to pull them in the metal ones are easier.
PM me with an address and I'll get them in snail mail to ya (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
Tightwad, May 21 2008, 09:19 AMAs I don�t have the funds to buy everything at once, I plan to invest in a good mount/demount bar (oh how I hate spoons)�the Mojo bar has my respect because it has good acclaim, and is a home brew�power to the inventive type. I also read his website and love his process and ingenuity around all he has done. This will use most of this installments �tool money�, so I will handle balancing and bead breaking with home remedies.
The Mojolever is awesome. I use it with my Harbor Freight tire changer and it works great. Mojolever + lots of Windex makes getting tires on and off a breeze.
Tightwad, May 21 2008, 09:19 AMAs I don�t have the funds to buy everything at once, I plan to invest in a good mount/demount bar (oh how I hate spoons)�the Mojo bar has my respect because it has good acclaim, and is a home brew�power to the inventive type. I also read his website and love his process and ingenuity around all he has done. This will use most of this installments �tool money�, so I will handle balancing and bead breaking with home remedies.
The Mojolever is awesome. I use it with my Harbor Freight tire changer and it works great. Mojolever + lots of Windex makes getting tires on and off a breeze.
Windex...good to know. I think the video Tinyminds posted showed using Pledge? I know from the Mojo-Lever guys site about the uselessness of Nitrogen that the amount of excess lube used really screws with the tire pressures.
Don't give up on doing your own tire changes after your first time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goofy.gif)
Why do I say this? For many people (including me) the first time is a huge exercise in frustration, sweat and blood loss. It gets much easier after you have done it a few times, learn a few tricks and get better tools.
rad, May 21 2008, 12:19 PMDon't give up on doing your own tire changes after your first time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goofy.gif)
Why do I say this? For many people (including me) the first time is a huge exercise in frustration, sweat and blood loss. It gets much easier after you have done it a few times, learn a few tricks and get better tools.
I will keep that in mind...I think splurging on a good dismount lever will keep me from getting too pissed off. Luckily it is 20+ miles to the closest MC shop, so I will be stuck doing them myself even if I try to change my mind...should be good for me.
Hopefully not using the HF changer won't be too terrible...I nearly bought one but I was on my bike and couldn't have carried it.
All the help here has been appreciated...and remind me that we really need a collective FAQ type....I know there is a link for "How To" posts, but it doesn't seem to work. Would be great to get this topic into something like that, so others can approach it with confidence or apprehension as needed.
+1 for kurveygirl. I'm sure rubber is just fine (they came that way from Honda) but I moved to 90 degree metal. I didn't have any issues using the 90 degree and I think it will help with checking and adding air to the front. My stems came in in 3 days (maybe 2, I don't recall). I will say that you should research how to get the old stems out. I'm sure there is a trick but I ended up using a razor knife on the inside portion to cut away rubber until they pulled out easily.
I just changed the tires on my VFR and I splurged on the No-Mar setup (balancer and all)...have your new tires shipped to my house and take a ride to Southwest Missouri and we can change 'em here!! Another "reason" to take a tour!
As for weight, I wasn't looking for lowest price, but No-Mar had black weights that matched the wheels so I went that route. They blend right in. I mounted Avon Storms which do not have a paint dot for balance. I ended up dismounting my rear and rotating it 180 to get the amount of required weight down. The front I guess I got lucky on. Each took 21 grams.
...oh, and the No-Mar past lube works great and isn't messy (the liquid is just a diluted version of the paste). As their videos mention, the lube is the key. I skimped on the rear the first time and you can really tell when you're shy on lube.
+1 for kurveygirl. I'm sure rubber is just fine (they came that way from Honda) but I moved to 90 degree metal. I didn't have any issues using the 90 degree and I think it will help with checking and adding air to the front. My stems came in in 3 days (maybe 2, I don't recall). I will say that you should research how to get the old stems out. I'm sure there is a trick buy I ended up using a razor knife on the inside portion to cut away rubber until they pulled out easily.
I just changed the tires on my VFR and I splurged on the No-Mar setup (balancer and all)...have your new tires shipped to my house and take a ride to Southwest Missouri and we can change 'em here!! Another "reason" to take a tour!
As for weight, I wasn't looking for lowest price, but No-Mar had black weights that matched the wheels so I went that route. They blend right in. I mounted Avon Storms which do not have a paint dot for balance. I ended up dismounting my rear and rotating it 180 to get the amount of required weight down. The front I guess I got lucky on. Each took 21 grams.f
I had a hard enough time convincing my wife that I needed to go to Tyler (125 miles) to do it. She saw right through the farce, but would have relented. I just don�t have the time, and need more tools anyway�who doesn�t? I might paint the weights, good thought!
rad, May 21 2008, 06:19 PMDon't give up on doing your own tire changes after your first time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goofy.gif)
Why do I say this? For many people (including me) the first time is a huge exercise in frustration, sweat and blood loss. It gets much easier after you have done it a few times, learn a few tricks and get better tools.
This statement is absolutely true.....................been there done that with my HF and add on tools etc etc.
I just removed my weights from the rim each time I took my wheel/tire and new tire (purchased from SWMOTO tire) to the honda dealer to be mounted and balanced. I now how a very large collection of the honda OEM weights that slide on to the center lip. I have taken all the extra weights and painted them black to match the rim color (yes I'm anal).
cruzinaz, May 21 2008, 09:41 AMHow soon are you going to mount them? We use short chrome ones, I'll send you some if theres time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
were did you source those? I found some short 90 degree crome ones but the website seemed like it was a hoax and I did not trust it.
St�phane, May 21 2008, 02:24 PMMake sure you line up the yellow dot on the sidewall with the stem.
In most cases this is true, its the lightest part of the tire, and valve stem is heaviest, rubber valve stems only weigh 11 grams, metal, 27 grams. 7 grams = 1/4 ounce
If you want to make sure it is the heaviest part, just check the balance of wheel and stem before the tire is installed, we have seen some chrome rims that had a heavy spoke. the reason to check is only to minimize the total wheel weights, and it takes about a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) to do it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) can ya tell we were bored and had time to kill???
cruzinaz, May 21 2008, 09:41 AMHow soon are you going to mount them? We use short chrome ones, I'll send you some if theres time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
were did you source those? I found some short 90 degree crome ones but the website seemed like it was a hoax and I did not trust it.
These are short straight ones, get them bulk from our tire guy, need some?
zx5go, May 21 2008, 03:10 PMI will say that you should research how to get the old stems out. I'm sure there is a trick but I ended up using a razor knife on the inside portion to cut away rubber until they pulled out easily.
Use a pair of scissors to cut the part inside the rim off, then pull it out from the outside.
cruzinaz, May 21 2008, 02:12 PMThese are short straight ones, get them bulk from our tire guy, need some?
Yea - I have been using the same valve stems for years, they dont leak so - but they are difficult to reach with my airhose.
Yep, that and checking pressure, I found a short guage, works well.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) in this thread someone was saying nitrogen is'nt worth it, I disagree, we have a nitrogen machine that pulls a vacuum in the tire before filling, I have been using it for the last 3 sets of tires, never had to add any, and tire pressure is alot more stable in weather conditions. One more plus it doesn't have the moisture like compressed air does.
rad, May 21 2008, 01:19 PMDon't give up on doing your own tire changes after your first time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goofy.gif)
Why do I say this? For many people (including me) the first time is a huge exercise in frustration, sweat and blood loss. It gets much easier after you have done it a few times, learn a few tricks and get better tools.
+1 for kurveygirl. I'm sure rubber is just fine (they came that way from Honda) but I moved to 90 degree metal. I didn't have any issues using the 90 degree and I think it will help with checking and adding air to the front. My stems came in in 3 days (maybe 2, I don't recall). I will say that you should research how to get the old stems out. I'm sure there is a trick but I ended up using a razor knife on the inside portion to cut away rubber until they pulled out easily.
I just changed the tires on my VFR and I splurged on the No-Mar setup (balancer and all)...have your new tires shipped to my house and take a ride to Southwest Missouri and we can change 'em here!! Another "reason" to take a tour!
As for weight, I wasn't looking for lowest price, but No-Mar had black weights that matched the wheels so I went that route. They blend right in. I mounted Avon Storms which do not have a paint dot for balance. I ended up dismounting my rear and rotating it 180 to get the amount of required weight down. The front I guess I got lucky on. Each took 21 grams.
...oh, and the No-Mar past lube works great and isn't messy (the liquid is just a diluted version of the paste). As their videos mention, the lube is the key. I skimped on the rear the first time and you can really tell when you're shy on lube.
ditto on the no-mar....got it at a smokin price during daytona bike week.....changin tires has never been easier.....no more paying crazy prices for m&b! for me it'll pay for it's self in the first 2 years of use...better equipment---you get what you pay for!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fing02.gif)
Forgive my ignorance, but here in the UK I'd bet less than 1% of riders change their own tyres. What is the difference in cost between buying a tyre and having it fitted and balanced, and just buying the tyre and fitting it yourself ? Personally, I don't want an amateur (me) faffing around with what seems to be a 5 minute job for the tyre shop. I'd also prefer the tyres to be properly balanced, and the rims to be left in good condition, if it's all the same to you..
Rogue, May 22 2008, 10:15 AMPersonally, I don't want an amateur (me) faffing around with what seems to be a 5 minute job for the tyre shop. I'd also prefer the tyres to be properly balanced, and the rims to be left in good condition, if it's all the same to you..
Mounting a tire isn't rocket science. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And balancing them is easy with something like this. And I'm sure I'm more careful about not scratching my rims than anyone else. I race, so I'm changing tires a lot but even on the streetbikes, you can save a lot of money changing your own tires. To each their own...
Rogue, May 22 2008, 10:15 AMPersonally, I don't want an amateur (me) faffing around with what seems to be a 5 minute job for the tyre shop. I'd also prefer the tyres to be properly balanced, and the rims to be left in good condition, if it's all the same to you..
Mounting a tire isn't rocket science. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And balancing them is easy with something like this. And I'm sure I'm more careful about not scratching my rims than anyone else. I race, so I'm changing tires a lot but even on the streetbikes, you can save a lot of money changing your own tires. To each their own...
Yes, but the question I asked was .." HOW MUCH ?" bearing in mind most riders will not go through more than 1 set of tyres per season, how much money can you save?
Speaking of 90-degree valve stems, the aluminum ones are often referred to as "Ariete", which is the name of the U.S. importer/distributor, but they are actually made by an Italian company called Bridgeport (don't ask why it doesn't have an Italian-sounding name!), which explains why they all have a "B" cast into them on one side...
cruzinaz, May 21 2008, 02:12 PMThese are short straight ones, get them bulk from our tire guy, need some?
Yea - I have been using the same valve stems for years, they dont leak so - but they are difficult to reach with my airhose.
Yep, that and checking pressure, I found a short guage, works well.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/offtopic.gif) in this thread someone was saying nitrogen is'nt worth it, I disagree, we have a nitrogen machine that pulls a vacuum in the tire before filling, I have been using it for the last 3 sets of tires, never had to add any, and tire pressure is alot more stable in weather conditions. One more plus it doesn't have the moisture like compressed air does.
Pulling a vacuum for the correct amount of time will boil the moisture out, but simply filling the tires would indeed be about pointless.
Tightwad, May 21 2008, 11:19 AMI am looking at spooning on my own tires for the first time. I figured that a couple of tire changes will pay for my tool investment�and when have I ever said no to new tools (look in my garage to see how that plays out�)
As I don�t have the funds to buy everything at once, I plan to invest in a good mount/demount bar (oh how I hate spoons)�the Mojo bar has my respect because it has good acclaim, and is a home brew�power to the inventive type. I also read his website and love his process and ingenuity around all he has done. This will use most of this installments �tool money�, so I will handle balancing and bead breaking with home remedies.
My question now is�.where do I get Valve Stems? What is the right size? I know some people have had problems with the 90 degree type, so they should be avoided? I would love to her suggestions from fellow DIYers.
For the record, weights seem most economical from JCWhitney, at ~$5.33 per pound, in � increments�love to find a better price on them as well.
Jeez dude, I dont mean to be a smartass, but you may be the electrical guru (I'm envious), but if you dont know where to buy valve stems, give it up and go to a place that aready knows how to change tires.
Here where I live it is common that they charge $30 for mount and balance per tire. $60 a time adds up fast, and I prefer to do my own work where possible.
Tightwad, May 21 2008, 11:19 AMI am looking at spooning on my own tires for the first time. I figured that a couple of tire changes will pay for my tool investment�and when have I ever said no to new tools (look in my garage to see how that plays out�)
As I don�t have the funds to buy everything at once, I plan to invest in a good mount/demount bar (oh how I hate spoons)�the Mojo bar has my respect because it has good acclaim, and is a home brew�power to the inventive type. I also read his website and love his process and ingenuity around all he has done. This will use most of this installments �tool money�, so I will handle balancing and bead breaking with home remedies.
My question now is�.where do I get Valve Stems? What is the right size? I know some people have had problems with the 90 degree type, so they should be avoided? I would love to her suggestions from fellow DIYers.
For the record, weights seem most economical from JCWhitney, at ~$5.33 per pound, in � increments�love to find a better price on them as well.
How do you know you "hate spoons" if you've never tried them?
I have done tires on older bikes (Tube type) and hated the spoons.
Tightwad, May 22 2008, 07:34 PMHere where I live it is common that they charge $30 for mount and balance per tire. $60 a time adds up fast, and I prefer to do my own work where possible.
Is that to a loose wheel or to remove and fit tyre and replace wheel?
That does seem like a rip-off. I got Pilot Road 2's fitted to my bike when it was in for a service and it cost �205 for the pair, fitted.
Rogue, May 22 2008, 10:15 AMPersonally, I don't want an amateur (me) faffing around with what seems to be a 5 minute job for the tyre shop. I'd also prefer the tyres to be properly balanced, and the rims to be left in good condition, if it's all the same to you..
Mounting a tire isn't rocket science. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And balancing them is easy with something like this. And I'm sure I'm more careful about not scratching my rims than anyone else. I race, so I'm changing tires a lot but even on the streetbikes, you can save a lot of money changing your own tires. To each their own...
Yes, but the question I asked was .." HOW MUCH ?" bearing in mind most riders will not go through more than 1 set of tyres per season, how much money can you save?
Rod
About $25 a tire change in the US is about the cheapest you can find if you bring just the wheel in. But it may be more if you bring in an internet tire special into a shop. Usually $35 or more per wheel if you bring in the bike. Two tires and you have paid for the basic HF rig. A few more tire changes to break even depending on other tools/balancing etc.
This way you can buy the least expensive tires without possible hassle and you don't have to drive somewhere/gas and wait or come back later.
Tightwad, May 22 2008, 07:34 PMHere where I live it is common that they charge $30 for mount and balance per tire. $60 a time adds up fast, and I prefer to do my own work where possible.
Is that to a loose wheel or to remove and fit tyre and replace wheel?
That does seem like a rip-off. I got Pilot Road 2's fitted to my bike when it was in for a service and it cost �205 for the pair, fitted.
Check your receipt and see if they broke it out. You paid about $405 for that. The last time I had mine done it cost me $375 out the doors(wheels off and brought in), for Bt021's. $20-$30 for wheels off is pretty standard from what I know.
mello dude, May 22 2008, 01:33 PMJeez dude, I dont mean to be a smartass, but you may be the electrical guru (I'm envious), but if you dont know where to buy valve stems, give it up and go to a place that aready knows how to change tires.
MD
Or I ask others who know, learn the best and worst and what to look for, then I know how....this is how I approach most things, including electrical. I am not a genius, or even overly bright, but I am able collaborate the knowledge of the best to answer my questions.
It's not about knowing everything, it's about being willing to learn anything, and asking the questions required.
mello dude, May 22 2008, 01:33 PMJeez dude, I dont mean to be a smartass, but you may be the electrical guru (I'm envious), but if you dont know where to buy valve stems, give it up and go to a place that aready knows how to change tires.
MD
LMAO, you mello??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goofy.gif)
Tightwad, May 22 2008, 01:32 PMPulling a vacuum for the correct amount of time will boil the moisture out, but simply filling the tires would indeed be about pointless.
Nitrogen sounds interesting but how much of a vacuum could you pull without simply popping the bead?
Tightwad, May 22 2008, 07:34 PMHere where I live it is common that they charge $30 for mount and balance per tire. $60 a time adds up fast, and I prefer to do my own work where possible.
Is that to a loose wheel or to remove and fit tyre and replace wheel?
That does seem like a rip-off. I got Pilot Road 2's fitted to my bike when it was in for a service and it cost �205 for the pair, fitted.
Check your receipt and see if they broke it out. You paid about $405 for that. The last time I had mine done it cost me $375 out the doors(wheels off and brought in), for Bt021's. $20-$30 for wheels off is pretty standard from what I know.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ???? 375 for 021's????? Southwest moto, no more than 235 for the pair, that makes it 140.00 for mount and balance???
Guess everything IS bigger in Texas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goofy.gif)
mello dude, May 22 2008, 01:33 PMJeez dude, I dont mean to be a smartass, but ................................... MD
Or I ask others who know, learn the best and worst and what to look for, then I know how....this is how I approach most things, including electrical. I am not a genius, or even overly bright, but I am able collaborate the knowledge of the best to answer my questions.
It's not about knowing everything, it's about being willing to learn anything, and asking the questions required.
That is why we visit VFRD right????
I have not screwed with the stems yet............probably change mine every third tire. I read reports on the Wing sites of the stems going/leaking after a couple of years plus. Looks like I will buy them in bulk and make my freeloader buddies pay for them..............along with the beer!
Rogue, May 22 2008, 11:15 AMForgive my ignorance, but here in the UK I'd bet less than 1% of riders change their own tyres. What is the difference in cost between buying a tyre and having it fitted and balanced, and just buying the tyre and fitting it yourself ? Personally, I don't want an amateur (me) faffing around with what seems to be a 5 minute job for the tyre shop. I'd also prefer the tyres to be properly balanced, and the rims to be left in good condition, if it's all the same to you..
Rod
Cheapest I could find was $25/wheel if I brought them in off the bike (mount only, no balance). The local Honda dealership wanted $137 for both if I brought the bike in...and neither provide any type of guarantee against scratching your wheel.
Not to mention that I can continue to get the best prices on not only motorcycle but also car tires and not have to pay (average price to mount/balance a set of car tires in my area is $85-$125). Three cars, motorcycles, lawn mowers, tractor (ok at least the fronts), father's stuff, brother's stuff, sister's, it'll add up quick! Plus I'll take any excuse to purchase more tools and be able to perform a task myself. Maybe dealerships in the UK are better but I'll take my amateur install over going to a dealership any day.
BonusVFR, May 22 2008, 02:03 PMThat is why we visit VFRD right????
Ditto! Maybe we know where to buy but just want everyone else's take on the subject or want to know if they've had some specific experience they can share.
Being able to ask almost anything and knowing at least one person will help is what makes VFRD great!
We don't want to scare off new owners from the site by making them think we'll ridicule certain questions.
mello dude, May 22 2008, 01:33 PMJeez dude, I dont mean to be a smartass, but you may be the electrical guru (I'm envious), but if you dont know where to buy valve stems, give it up and go to a place that aready knows how to change tires.
MD
Or I ask others who know, learn the best and worst and what to look for, then I know how....this is how I approach most things, including electrical. I am not a genius, or even overly bright, but I am able collaborate the knowledge of the best to answer my questions.
It's not about knowing everything, it's about being willing to learn anything, and asking the questions required.
Isn't that the whole purpose of the forum....to help each other find the answers?
I've been buying my valve stems and weights from AMT
Rogue, May 22 2008, 12:21 PMYes, but the question I asked was .." HOW MUCH ?" bearing in mind most riders will not go through more than 1 set of tyres per season, how much money can you save?
Around here, I recall $30-$40 per tire with the wheels off and if I bought the tires from the shop (with their larger markup).
Tightwad, May 22 2008, 01:32 PMPulling a vacuum for the correct amount of time will boil the moisture out, but simply filling the tires would indeed be about pointless.
Nitrogen sounds interesting but how much of a vacuum could you pull without simply popping the bead?
Thats a good question. Here is a chart of the vacuum pressures needed to boil moisture out. I bet they can't pull a deep enough vacuum without sucking the tire off the rim, but I could be wrong....Cruz?
Tightwad, May 22 2008, 07:34 PMHere where I live it is common that they charge $30 for mount and balance per tire. $60 a time adds up fast, and I prefer to do my own work where possible.
Is that to a loose wheel or to remove and fit tyre and replace wheel?
That does seem like a rip-off. I got Pilot Road 2's fitted to my bike when it was in for a service and it cost �205 for the pair, fitted.
Check your receipt and see if they broke it out. You paid about $405 for that. The last time I had mine done it cost me $375 out the doors(wheels off and brought in), for Bt021's. $20-$30 for wheels off is pretty standard from what I know.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ???? 375 for 021's????? Southwest moto, no more than 235 for the pair, that makes it 140.00 for mount and balance???
Guess everything IS bigger in Texas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goofy.gif)
$268.00 for tires $60 to mount $36 for guarantee
Bah, I bought the replacement guarantee...which just guaranteed I wouldn't get a flat of course...paid $18 each for that I think, and shouldn't have. Plus tire disposal, don't recall price there.
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH tire disposal fee. I make my buddies take their old tires and mine too after a change.
Another reason to have a changer is to experiment with shifting tires or maybe even flat repair. Put on new tires for a long trip and then put on half used ones when you get back to run local stuff. You would never do that when you pay 25/30 bucks for a change. If you are a track guy ...............changing tires could be real handy too!
I have a Blackbird OEM tire, that a friend gave me, waiting to experiment with . Small leak but no problem if my fix does not work out as I will just change it. Plus I will find out if my emerg road side repair kit really works!!
Tightwad, May 22 2008, 01:32 PMPulling a vacuum for the correct amount of time will boil the moisture out, but simply filling the tires would indeed be about pointless.
Nitrogen sounds interesting but how much of a vacuum could you pull without simply popping the bead?
Thats a good question. Here is a chart of the vacuum pressures needed to boil moisture out. I bet they can't pull a deep enough vacuum without sucking the tire off the rim, but I could be wrong....Cruz?
When we start the vacuum on the tires we push down in the middle of the tire, that forces pressure outwards to the bead, that way it won't pull them off.
At our altitude we can't pull as much vacuum that it would take to boil it out, but by completley flattening the tire to the rim I believe we have one of the best ways for nitrogen purity.
To all the nay sayers out there, Costco, one of the big box stores in the US, has been using nitrogen for a few years now, they claim it has dropped their warranty claims by 13% for underinflated tires. I know almost all of us are a bit anal when it comes to checking air pressure so it may not be that big of a factor on our bikes but like I said in an earlier post, I haven't needed to add at all to my tires, but I do go thru 4 sets a year (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
On our next ride we will have a 60 degree difference in temps over 3 days, just for kicks I'm going to check my tires for consistancy and compare to others that have air in them, I'll let you know.
Ok, just one more, we do work for the Lexus dealer and they had a problem last winter here with their coupes low air pressure sensor going off in the mornings, we did nitrogen, stopped the light problem and 3 months later the tires had only lost 1/2 lb ea., they attributed the loss to constantly checking them. Geez, just reread this, sound like a frikken (IMG:style_emoticons/default/491.gif)
BTW, Tightwad, when its broken down like that its not really to bad, since the tax, warranty, and disposal thing doesn't affect me I seem to forget (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
cruzinaz, May 22 2008, 03:27 PMBTW, Tightwad, when its broken down like that its not really to bad, since the tax, warranty, and disposal thing doesn't affect me I seem to forget (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
No, it still IS a lot...hence why I am making inroads on doing it myself.
reminds me I need to get a good air pressure gauge...
Rogue, May 22 2008, 02:21 PMYes, but the question I asked was .." HOW MUCH ?" bearing in mind most riders will not go through more than 1 set of tyres per season, how much money can you save?
Most places charge $25-$40 per tire, if you bring them the wheels. More if they are on the bike. Plus you have to spend at least an hour or two taking them to a shop, waiting on them, and driving home. So figure $50 + 2 hours time.
I go through 5-10 rears per year and 3-6 fronts. So that is $200 - $400 and 10 - 20 hours per year.
My tire changing setup, including balancer was about $200. It only takes me about 30 minutes to change a pair of tires in my garage, so I am also saving a ton of time.
The skill required to change a tire is somewhere between breathing and tying your shoes, so even I am capable of doing it myself.
Rogue, May 22 2008, 12:15 PMForgive my ignorance, but here in the UK I'd bet less than 1% of riders change their own tyres. What is the difference in cost between buying a tyre and having it fitted and balanced, and just buying the tyre and fitting it yourself ? Personally, I don't want an amateur (me) faffing around with what seems to be a 5 minute job for the tyre shop. I'd also prefer the tyres to be properly balanced, and the rims to be left in good condition, if it's all the same to you..
Rod
The reasons are two fold for me; cost and convenience. When I buy from a dealer I pay top dollar for tires then mounting. Mail order I can save big on the tires and mount for free. Second, I always keep another set of new tires in my garage and can put them on at my convenience. Even better, I took a � worn rear off to put on a new rear to go on a long trip and when that tire wore out I put the � worn tire back on, I love that. It has also saved me when I punctured a tire badly. I was able to patch it and get home but the hole was so big I replaced the tire with a new one I had in the garage and did not miss a day of riding.
I also never scratch my rims and the shops here put what we call the "Tire Bitch" on the job and often times he is a new grunt who may or may not do a quality job.
Rogue, May 22 2008, 02:21 PMYes, but the question I asked was .." HOW MUCH ?" bearing in mind most riders will not go through more than 1 set of tyres per season, how much money can you save?
Most places charge $25-$40 per tire, if you bring them the wheels. More if they are on the bike. Plus you have to spend at least an hour or two taking them to a shop, waiting on them, and driving home. So figure $50 + 2 hours time.
I go through 5-10 rears per year and 3-6 fronts. So that is $200 - $400 and 10 - 20 hours per year.
My tire changing setup, including balancer was about $200. It only takes me about 30 minutes to change a pair of tires in my garage, so I am also saving a ton of time.
The skill required to change a tire is somewhere between breathing and tying your shoes, so even I am capable of doing it myself.
My shoe is untied, but so far I am breathing...I stand a small chance
jeremy556, May 21 2008, 06:48 PMOnly real advantage nitrogen has is lack of moisture. If you are getting it for free, that's great, but it is not worth paying anything for.
Nitrogen also doesn't react as much to temperature changes and, as an inert gas, doesn't burn. But if you need the inflammable properties of nitrogen in your motorcycle tires, you're probably doing something wrong.
jeremy556, May 22 2008, 09:17 PMMy tire changing setup, including balancer was about $200. It only takes me about 30 minutes to change a pair of tires in my garage, so I am also saving a ton of time.
The skill required to change a tire is somewhere between breathing and tying your shoes, so even I am capable of doing it myself.
The time savings is a big reason why I started changing them myself around 10 years ago... before that a tire change would involve some work, a truck ride, writing a work order, waiting, carrying in tires, waiting, carrying out tires, waiting, paying the bill, driving back home and reinstalling. By the time you're done it takes half or more of the day. When I change tires I do it at night, with a cold beer and the radio playing in the garage... it never takes more than an hour, and I know it's done right. The balance from my little static balancer has been validated by me to 165 mph on Road Atlanta... I also check all those other little things that i don't trust a bike shop to do; brake pads, free motion on the slider pins, bearings in the wheels, fork seals, steering head and swingarm bushings, etc.
jeremy556, May 21 2008, 04:48 PMOnly real advantage nitrogen has is lack of moisture. If you are getting it for free, that's great, but it is not worth paying anything for.
Well the nitrogen molecule is also bigger thus less escapes as does regular compressed air....
jeremy556, May 21 2008, 04:48 PMOnly real advantage nitrogen has is lack of moisture. If you are getting it for free, that's great, but it is not worth paying anything for.
Well the nitrogen molecule is also bigger thus less escapes as does regular compressed air....
While they were expensive (about $2500 delivered), I think I have my money back by now. Between doing my motorcycle tires, balancing my car tires, and changing motorcycle tires for the locals, I've made the money back. WERA910 even used them for his truck and car tires.
I also buy valve stems and weights from Patchboy. Prices seem very good and I've had good luck with everything I've ordered from them.
While they were expensive (about $2500 delivered), I think I have my money back by now. Between doing my motorcycle tires, balancing my car tires, and changing motorcycle tires for the locals, I've made the money back. WERA910 even used them for his truck and car tires.
I also buy valve stems and weights from Patchboy. Prices seem very good and I've had good luck with everything I've ordered from them.
the marcparnes balancer seems the way to go. I went with the Mojolever after hearing good reviews, and after seeing his website I was convinced. I like to support the little guys who try to help others with tools and stuff they develope....pay it forward kind of thing.
Tightwad, May 30 2008, 08:37 AMthe marcparnes balancer seems the way to go. I went with the Mojolever after hearing good reviews, and after seeing his website I was convinced. I like to support the little guys who try to help others with tools and stuff they develope....pay it forward kind of thing.
Marc Parnes is a good choice! He's a super nice guy and is definitely willing to help with any questions or problems. Jack stands will work but I wound up building a rack to support mine.
I bought a box of the stick on weights at pepboys for 20$, you can probably get them at any auto store, much cheaper than thru mail. a can of cheap spray pain if you are color anal.
I got my changer from HF and it was cheaper than 1 change done by the dealer. 70$ to change both plus $20 for tire disposal.
I have changed 2 sets so far, which has paid for the changer and the no mar bar. Not to mention buying cheaper tires on the internet. the honda place I use charges you extra if you didn't buy tires from them.
Tightwad, May 30 2008, 08:37 AMthe marcparnes balancer seems the way to go. I went with the Mojolever after hearing good reviews, and after seeing his website I was convinced. I like to support the little guys who try to help others with tools and stuff they develope....pay it forward kind of thing.
Marc Parnes is a good choice! He's a super nice guy and is definitely willing to help with any questions or problems. Jack stands will work but I wound up building a rack to support mine.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) but you save 10.00 using the ebay link (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I posted above.. It is the same person/store either way
COS_VFR, Jun 19 2008, 12:50 AMHow do you dispose of the old tires? Will the dealer take them if you pay them the disposal fee? Local recycle center?
just curious.
Some of the local automotive tire places will take them from me as long as there aren't too many for free. The local land fill takes them too for $3 each. They have a big semi trailer they load up with them. I assume when it is full, they take it to a recycler.
