Well I finally toasted the rear of my first set of Pilot Road 2's that I have run on the VFR and I have nothing but positive feedback to give.
First off I ride hard, fast twisties 99% of the time at the higher end of the PACE scale. Having run through at least 10 sets of Pilot Powers I've developed a pretty good feel of what a tire should and shouldn't do and the PP has been my Standard for several years now. No other tire provided better grip(wet & dry), confidence, quicker turn and wear then the Pilot Power, at least until now. :rolleyes:
I avg. 2200 miles on a PP rear and after going through 25 rears I just had to continue my search for the holy grail (grip and wear). I have tried the original Pilot Road ( HATE them!!!), Dunlop Qualifier(so so),Dunlop 204/205's(semi suck), BS 020's(ok), BS 010's (decent),Diablo Corsa( great tire 1500 miles), Corsa III's (nice, short wear), Diablo Strada ( my favorite ST tire), but I only got 2500 miles out of it and after about 50% worn I would get an occasional slip from the rear. Just wasn't worth the loss in confidence for a few hundred more miles so I stayed with PP's as I couldn't find a better overall tire for the buck!
In comes the Pilot Road 2's, I picked up a set shipped for $300 and mounted them up.
First impression: Wow, doesn't fall into turns like a PP. These tires do take a little more steering input then the super quick steering PP. I love a tire that falls into a turn and no tire did it better then the PP. No surprise here as just about every tire will be slower to turn in than the PP, but after 20,000 miles of quick PP turn in it took a little time to adjust fully.
The tires were mounted just before this years T-Mac and had a few hundred miles on the before our moderate Paced ride over and they felt very stable, smooth and planted.
It was actually Fridays Ripper ride with the fast boyz(kids) that I put the road 2's through their paces and I left nothing on the table. These things Grip extremely well and NEVER even gave a hint of loosing grip. It took almost half the day to adjust to the slower steering after years on Powers, but when I adjusted, look out.
I had Total confidence pushing these tires to levels at or above what any other tire has seen on my bike! :fing02: The only thing I noticed was that these tires seem to move around a little on tar snakes in a way that I never noticed on PP's. Other then that I could Not tell a grip disadvantage compared to the PP's whatsoever!
Also got several chances to test their Wet grip as I like to go fast in the rain too and these tires did not disappoint, as go as any tire I've run in the wet!
OK mileage, as I mentioned I avg. 2200 miles(and that's near the cords) from a rear PP and this tire(pictured) now has 3550 miles on it and still felt very good. I have never gotten more than 3000 miles from a rear tire before and that was the dreaded P. Road which I hated. :dry: [image: Posted Image]
That is an 60% gain in mileage for me, now that was not my normal riding the entire time as I did several hundred miles of two up and several hundred more in the rain. So I can remove 20% of the miles and still have a 40% improvement in mileage over the PP.
To me it's a no brianer, The Road 2 will be my rear tire from now on, even at a 20% cost premium over the PP these new Road 2's still provide an exceptional value.
I actually have no complaints about the front Road 2(other than slower steering), but in an effort to regain some of the quicker steering I like so much my next set will be a Power front and a Road 2 rear. I'll report on those results as I wear them out next. Here's the front @ 3550 miles. [image: Posted Image]
So my review, :fing02: :fing02: on the new Pilot Road 2's as a good ripper tire, there as close to the Holy Grail as I've ever experienced on a street tire. try them!
[image: View Post]CitizenOfDreams, on Jun 8 2008, 07:17 PM, said:
What do you guys do with your tires? My Pilot Powers are barely scratched at 5000 miles. :)
Get out of Orlando and ride.. I dont push the PP's at all compared to these guys and i dont expect more than 3000 miles out of them... Noticeable wear after Tmac and 1500 miles on them..
Thanks for the review Kev!! Guess you were right when you said that Road 2s would be my next tire!! :fing02:
(Being a star pupil of the Baileyrock School of Riding ... I haven't been getting much more than 2800 miles out of a set of PPs ... might be nice to have a set of tires last a bit longer :biggrin: )
Probably what I'll try after my Battlea$$es cup and wear out...........we'll see how far I can "STREEEEETCH" a pair of these puppies........... :fing02:
[image: View Post]skuuter trash, on Jun 8 2008, 08:15 PM, said:
Probably what I'll try after my Battlea$$es cup and wear out...........we'll see how far I can "STREEEEETCH" a pair of these puppies........... :fing02:
i like the idea of pr2 rear and pp front, might even shoot for the 2ct front, but only time will tell, nice write up, too bad i didnt hit the trace sooner, looking forward to riding with ya br
[image: View Post]Sbk12rs, on Jun 8 2008, 06:16 PM, said:
Running my second set of PP's on my new VFR ! I love this tire for both my VFR and my K12RS .
One track day on the rear and Two on the front , on this set for the VFR . What a tire !!!!!!
Bailey with 60k , your the tire expert here in my eyes and the next set will be the Road 2's !
I've had this tire for at least 7 years on all my bikes and am very hesitant about getting rid of an " Old Flame "
I do as you get crap mileage , but I now have a No-Mar so I didn't care anymore .
South West Moto ! Send Me Road 2's , Please !
Sure enough, the Pilot Power is a fantastic tire and my #1 until now. At least the rear Road 2 will be used by me from now on until something better comes along.
Still plan to test out the PP front/ PR 2 rear combo soon! :fing02:
I haven't ridden Michelins yet. I still have 1k-2k in my existing Conti's, and a set of Diablo's waiting in the garage (from that CycleGear.com deal last month). After that I don't know. Might give the PR2's a shot, but they're pricey compared to what I've bought so far.
Like BR, I'd rather put a stickier tire on the front than run two ST tires, so I'll likely keep doing that. Gives me more confidence when cornering hard.
Once I run out of inventory on what I currently use, I reckon I'll have to try PR2's.
I would still be surprised if I got 3K from a rear as I've never gotten that on any kind of rear tire. If you can do it, I ought to easily be able to do it. :fing02:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 9 2008, 10:49 AM, said:
Still plan to test out the PP front/ PR 2 rear combo soon! :fing02:
Dale (turtlecreek) seems to be really liking that combination........sounds like a possible option for me to try also. Even as "slow" as I ride, I still like good quick turn-in and quick transition............. :fing02: Seriously thinking along these lines when tire time comes......... :fing02:
Thanks Bailey. I think we ride alot alike. Of course your way slower.
This is the report I have been waiting on. My next set after the PP's in the garage will be a pilot frt and road2 rear. I was going to try it for t-mac but didnt know if it would actually give any extra miles. I love the PP's.
[image: View Post]soichiro, on Jun 9 2008, 02:58 PM, said:
Thanks Bailey. I think we ride alot alike. Of course your way slower.
This is the report I have been waiting on. My next set after the PP's in the garage will be a pilot frt and road2 rear. I was going to try it for t-mac but didnt know if it would actually give any extra miles. I love the PP's.
Yeah, hard to break awayfrom the PPs, but this combo really sounds good........... :fing02:
For me, the most helpful things about these threads are BRs mileage/handling comparisons between the different tires and the % improvement. One guys 10K is anothers 3K but the same riders/roads/usage results are more relevant and useful for picking what you want and need.
I have been looking at the PR2s for a while but have a fresh set of Roadsmarts ready in the garage.
[image: View Post]BonusVFR, on Jun 9 2008, 03:42 PM, said:
For me, the most helpful things about these threads are BRs mileage/handling comparisons between the different tires and the % improvement. One guys 10K is anothers 3K but the same riders/roads/usage results are more relevant and useful for picking what you want and need.
I have been looking at the PR2s for a while but have a fresh set of Roadsmarts ready in the garage.
Keep the reports coming :wheel:
Yeah, with BR, you pretty much get the same roads at the same pace every weekend......nice, consistant testing........... :fing02: I move around a lot....lotta' different roads with different ride partners, paces, and distances...... :rolleyes:
[image: View Post]soichiro, on Jun 9 2008, 02:58 PM, said:
Thanks Bailey. I think we ride alot alike. Of course your way slower.
I'm pedaling as fast as I can (some times) :rolleyes:
This is the report I have been waiting on. My next set after the PP's in the garage will be a pilot frt and road2 rear. I was going to try it for t-mac but didnt know if it would actually give any extra miles. I love the PP's.
Doug,
I think you'll be happy with the Road 2, especially of the rear! :fing02:
Hey Baileyrock easy on those things would ya, I tried to get a set last week for my bike and was told its a 3 week wait too get them. So I went with the BX014's, but I'm going to order a set of road 2's early next change
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 9 2008, 12:37 PM, said:
[image: View Post]PhatPat33, on Jun 9 2008, 11:44 AM, said:
I just ordered two rears and a front and they should be arriving today. $430 shipped for the three tires
Hello from DerbyCycles.com,
ON--
Quantity: 2
Product: Michelin Pilot Road Two Tire $ 109.99 (each)
Options: 180/55 ZR-17-Rear-87-9687 35.00
Quantity: 1
Product: Michelin Pilot Road Two Tire $ 109.99 (each)
Options: 120/70 ZR-17-Front-87-9678 4.00
That's about $280 a set shipped, best deal so far, have a link to them?
I just came from their site....total cost per set delivered is $259.98 size 120x70 zr17/180x55zr17.
I thought STG was the lowest but these guys have them beat!!!
[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on Jun 9 2008, 01:19 PM, said:
I hope the price comes more in line with other sport touring tires soon, as these tires begin to sell in bulk.
Tire prices will be going the same path as all Petro products,the time to buy tires would be yesterday.
Mike
:+1:
The difference between the PR2 2CT & PP 2CT is not just that the PP is a sport/track tire and the PR2 an ST tire. The way the two compounds are spread over the cross section is also very different. The PR2 has the hard compound in the about 1 1/2 inch wide middle section, so as soon as you lean the bike over you are riding on the softer compound. The PP 2CT only has the softer compound on the last 4/5" near the edge of the tire. With a PR2 rear I doubt you get to use the PP front to maximum lean angle and make use of the softer compound.
[image: View Post]dweese, on Jun 9 2008, 04:09 PM, said:
Hey Baileyrock easy on those things would ya, I tried to get a set last week for my bike and was told its a 3 week wait too get them. So I went with the BX014's, but I'm going to order a set of road 2's early next change
Check Derby Cycles mentioned in this thread, they seem to have plenty in stock and cheaper then anywhere so far! :fing02:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 11 2008, 12:55 AM, said:
[image: View Post]dweese, on Jun 9 2008, 04:09 PM, said:
Hey Baileyrock easy on those things would ya, I tried to get a set last week for my bike and was told its a 3 week wait too get them. So I went with the BX014's, but I'm going to order a set of road 2's early next change
Check Derby Cycles mentioned in this thread, they seem to have plenty in stock and cheaper then anywhere so far! :fing02:
BTW, are we talking about PR2 or PR2CT( two component tyre)?
I stated the price for 2CT.
the new set is mounted to F800ST of my wife - will test them tomorrow. :)
the previous one was PR2.
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 11 2008, 12:07 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 11 2008, 12:55 AM, said:
[image: View Post]dweese, on Jun 9 2008, 04:09 PM, said:
Hey Baileyrock easy on those things would ya, I tried to get a set last week for my bike and was told its a 3 week wait too get them. So I went with the BX014's, but I'm going to order a set of road 2's early next change
Check Derby Cycles mentioned in this thread, they seem to have plenty in stock and cheaper then anywhere so far! :fing02:
BTW, are we talking about PR2 or PR2CT( two component tyre)?
I stated the price for 2CT.
the new set is mounted to F800ST of my wife - will test them tomorrow. :)
the previous one was PR2.
Yes, I think the official name is the Pilot Road 2, but they have CT molded all around both edges of the tread. The only Michelin that has CT in the name is Pilot Power 2CT's and there not worth the extra money IMO. :rolleyes:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 11 2008, 01:40 PM, said:
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 11 2008, 12:07 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 11 2008, 12:55 AM, said:
[image: View Post]dweese, on Jun 9 2008, 04:09 PM, said:
Hey Baileyrock easy on those things would ya, I tried to get a set last week for my bike and was told its a 3 week wait too get them. So I went with the BX014's, but I'm going to order a set of road 2's early next change
Check Derby Cycles mentioned in this thread, they seem to have plenty in stock and cheaper then anywhere so far! :fing02:
BTW, are we talking about PR2 or PR2CT( two component tyre)?
I stated the price for 2CT.
the new set is mounted to F800ST of my wife - will test them tomorrow. :)
the previous one was PR2.
Yes, I think the official name is the Pilot Road 2, but they have CT molded all around both edges of the tread. The only Michelin that has CT in the name is Pilot Power 2CT's and there not worth the extra money IMO. :rolleyes:
This thread has talked me into the Pilot Road 2 (REAR), and still a Pilot Power on the front after the Bridgestones cup / wear out. I know I don't ride as hard as some of you other Hooligans, but I've still been doing it long enough to like the merits of Quick Turn In and don't wanna' give up any............THANKS for the testing BR.......... :fing02:
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 9 2008, 11:59 AM, said:
$300 for a set? :unsure:
That's the cost of the rear tyre only here.
That's because the importer has to bribe 20 bureaucrats and 10 mafia bosses before he can get the tires to his store...
Nice to see a fellow Russian here.
Im getting a PR2 this weekend to tag along with my PP 2ct front, Cycle Gears seems to have a decent price, but Ive seen cheaper online prices..my only deal is I need a No Mar....
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 11 2008, 08:32 PM, said:
I'm getting a PR2 this weekend to tag along with my PP 2ct front, Cycle Gears seems to have a decent price, but Ive seen cheaper online prices..my only deal is I need a No Mar....
I have used a PP2ct front and a rear PP for several months,and Ii really pleased.Might try PR2 @$150ish but I like the grip of the PP2ct on the front,I like the feel and lean angle.
Mike
[image: View Post]CitizenOfDreams, on Jun 12 2008, 12:38 AM, said:
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 9 2008, 11:59 AM, said:
$300 for a set? :unsure:
That's the cost of the rear tyre only here.
That's because the importer has to bribe 20 bureaucrats and 10 mafia bosses before he can get the tires to his store...
Nice to see a fellow Russian here.
Was it too much of Hollywood movies? :unsure:
They are for entertainment only, mate :)
P.S. Michelin built new factory here, in the vicinity of Moscow.
I receved a reply form Michelin on the extra marking matter.
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your recent e-mail.
If it is possible to get the same tyre ie180/55 ZR17M/C (73W) PIL.ROAD K TL then this is the best situation but it is not absolutely necessary and a non K marked tyre in the same size, tread pattern and load/speed ratings would be ok.
Once again thank you for your interest in Michelin.
Yours sincerely
Webmaster.
Michelin Tyre Public Limited Company
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 11 2008, 11:06 PM, said:
I receved a reply form Michelin on the extra marking matter.
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your recent e-mail.
If it is possible to get the same tyre ie180/55 ZR17M/C (73W) PIL.ROAD K TL then this is the best situation but it is not absolutely necessary and a non K marked tyre in the same size, tread pattern and load/speed ratings would be ok.
Once again thank you for your interest in Michelin.
Yours sincerely
Webmaster.
Michelin Tyre Public Limited Company
Well that doesn't seem real helpful! :unsure:
btw em, just got my new rear and it says Michelin Pilot Road 2 U right on the manufacture label. :fing02:
I can't remember the last time I was anxiously awaiting my current tires wearing out. :blink:
For a couple of months a new set of PR II's have been setting in my garage waiting the demise of the Pilot Road I rear and Pilot Power front on my bike now. Well, I just hit the wear bars, not much longer to wait :wheel:
All right, you guys talked me in to it. I just went down the local Honda dealer (R&S) and ordered a set. I was a little upset because I called and asked if they had a set in stock, they said yes so I drove down. When I got there what they had was Pilot Powers. So I ended up ordering a set of Road 2's that should arrive with in a week. No big deal, I have another week or two left on the current rear (D220). My out the door price was 261.34 for the set including tax. As an interesting side note, they now quote the same price to mount and balance on or off the bike - $50.00 per wheel. I told them Cycle Gear does it for $25 per wheel off the bike. The guy just shrugged his shoulders. Anyway, I should have a set on the bike by the end of next week, can't wait to try em out.
[image: View Post]Action, on Jun 12 2008, 01:17 PM, said:
All right, you guys talked me in to it. I just went down the local Honda dealer (R&S) and ordered a set. I was a little upset because I called and asked if they had a set in stock, they said yes so I drove down. When I got there what they had was Pilot Powers. So I ended up ordering a set of Road 2's that should arrive with in a week. No big deal, I have another week or two left on the current rear (D220). My out the door price was 261.34 for the set including tax. As an interesting side note, they now quote the same price to mount and balance on or off the bike - $50.00 per wheel. I told them Cycle Gear does it for $25 per wheel off the bike. The guy just shrugged his shoulders. Anyway, I should have a set on the bike by the end of next week, can't wait to try em out.
Road 2 price
Action
That's an increadiable price, even more so from a Dealer!!!!!!!!! :fing02:
We had a short 500 mile ride this afternoon - due to National Day there is a day off. So my better half tested the set of tyres, PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2. though the weather was rather chilling and tarmac was not heated. She was delighted. :)
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 12 2008, 04:02 PM, said:
We had a short 500 mile ride this afternoon - due to National Day there is a day off. So my better half tested the set of tyres, PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2. though the weather was rather chilling and tarmac was not heated. She was delighted. :)
"PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2."
Do you mean PR (Pilot Road) and not PR2 here? PR2's are what I'm running and talking about and there is no PR2CT offically! :unsure: The only Michelin tire w/CT in the name is a Pilot Power 2CT.
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 12 2008, 04:09 PM, said:
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 12 2008, 04:02 PM, said:
We had a short 500 mile ride this afternoon - due to National Day there is a day off. So my better half tested the set of tyres, PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2. though the weather was rather chilling and tarmac was not heated. She was delighted. :)
"PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2."
Do you mean PR (Pilot Road) and not PR2 here? PR2's are what I'm running and talking about and there is no PR2CT offically! :unsure: The only Michelin tire w/CT in the name is a Pilot Power 2CT.
I believe so, easy to get mixed up, as my tires have 2CT on the sides (PR2's). :unsure:
I've got 4000 on mine but I don't ride very fast. I've still got some room until I hit the wear bars too.
They are spendy but worth it. I like the feel. Never a slip. Not even on the Cherohala in the rain.
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 13 2008, 01:09 AM, said:
Do you mean PR (Pilot Road) and not PR2 here? PR2's are what I'm running and talking about and there is no PR2CT offically! :unsure: The only Michelin tire w/CT in the name is a Pilot Power 2CT.
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I mean Pilot Road 2 CT - two component tyre. the "2CT" mark is cut on the tyres as well. Not only on the walls.
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 13 2008, 05:53 AM, said:
"PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2."
$600 BUCKS!?????? :blink: Isnt that a little....HIGH?????
Yes, that's the hell of " a little high" :)
But I had no choice - that was the price of my BMW dealer(including 10% discount). But the problem was to find them here - Michelin does not produce mototyres in their Moscow plant and the importers always made mistakes in market estimations, every year we face a deficit of tyres in the middle of the season.
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 13 2008, 04:37 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 13 2008, 01:09 AM, said:
Do you mean PR (Pilot Road) and not PR2 here? PR2's are what I'm running and talking about and there is no PR2CT offically! :unsure: The only Michelin tire w/CT in the name is a Pilot Power 2CT.
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I mean Pilot Road 2 CT - two component tyre. the "2CT" mark is cut on the tyres as well. Not only on the walls.
Maybe they call them different things in different countries. In Australia they are marketed by retailers as Pilot Road 2CT & 2CT appears on the tread. Maybe thats not what Michelin officially calls them, but they are generally referred two as Pilot Road 2CT here.
I'm running a PR2(CT) rear and PP front, a common practice here as PR2(CT) fronts are scarce. Have approx 5,000 miles on this combo and very pleased. Usually a rear PP would last me around 3,000 miles. My rear PR2(CT) alone cost AUD$240! The standard PP front = $200. I wish we could get tires as cheap as you guys in the US do!
Pic of rear Pilot Road, the 2CT can be read in 2 places on the edge of the tread near the sidewall.
Just got back after riding 4000 miles on my new Pilot Road 2 and so far I love them!
There are wearing very well and they provide some serious traction when lean over. I actually managed to drag my hard bags around a few corners with the Pilot Road 2. :ohmy:
Coming from Pirellis and Metzler tires, these tires feel quite a bit difference. The sidewalls on the Michelins are softer than the Pirellis or Metzlers. They sort of have a vague feel to them until you start to pushing them. The turn-in is great on these things as I often find my lines are too tight in corners. They have a tendency to fall into corners, but it's nothing you can't get use to.
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 13 2008, 02:42 AM, said:
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 13 2008, 05:53 AM, said:
"PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2."
$600 BUCKS!?????? :blink: Isnt that a little....HIGH?????
Yes, that's the hell of " a little high" :)
But I had no choice - that was the price of my BMW dealer(including 10% discount). But the problem was to find them here - Michelin does not produce mototyres in their Moscow plant and the importers always made mistakes in market estimations, every year we face a deficit of tyres in the middle of the season.
OH yeah I just noticed your location.......maybe in between seasons would be the best time to buy up tires there?...on a side note a friend of my is from Russia he told me if he had a vfr there he'd have all sorts of women!!!!!!!!
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 13 2008, 07:44 AM, said:
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 13 2008, 02:42 AM, said:
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 13 2008, 05:53 AM, said:
"PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2."
$600 BUCKS!?????? :blink: Isnt that a little....HIGH?????
Yes, that's the hell of " a little high" :)
But I had no choice - that was the price of my BMW dealer(including 10% discount). But the problem was to find them here - Michelin does not produce mototyres in their Moscow plant and the importers always made mistakes in market estimations, every year we face a deficit of tyres in the middle of the season.
OH yeah I just noticed your location.......maybe in between seasons would be the best time to buy up tires there?...on a side note a friend of my is from Russia he told me if he had a vfr there he'd have all sorts of women!!!!!!!!
A friend of just got back and said the women where pretty Hot,just might move along with a truck full of PR2 tires.
Mike
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 13 2008, 08:42 AM, said:
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 13 2008, 05:53 AM, said:
"PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2."
$600 BUCKS!?????? :blink: Isnt that a little....HIGH?????
Yes, that's the hell of " a little high" :)
But I had no choice - that was the price of my BMW dealer(including 10% discount). But the problem was to find them here - Michelin does not produce mototyres in their Moscow plant and the importers always made mistakes in market estimations, every year we face a deficit of tyres in the middle of the season.
A set costs Euro 355 in the Netherlands so with exhange rate and fee for fitting that comes close to $600 too...... :pissed:
Petrol running towards Eur 1,60 a litre :pissed:
Will than make me ride a single kilomer less? Nope! ;p
[image: View Post]Goanna, on Jun 13 2008, 03:00 AM, said:
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 13 2008, 04:37 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 13 2008, 01:09 AM, said:
Do you mean PR (Pilot Road) and not PR2 here? PR2's are what I'm running and talking about and there is no PR2CT offically! :unsure: The only Michelin tire w/CT in the name is a Pilot Power 2CT.
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I mean Pilot Road 2 CT - two component tyre. the "2CT" mark is cut on the tyres as well. Not only on the walls.
Maybe they call them different things in different countries. In Australia they are marketed by retailers as Pilot Road 2CT & 2CT appears on the tread. Maybe thats not what Michelin officially calls them, but they are generally referred two as Pilot Road 2CT here.
I'm running a PR2(CT) rear and PP front, a common practice here as PR2(CT) fronts are scarce. Have approx 5,000 miles on this combo and very pleased. Usually a rear PP would last me around 3,000 miles. My rear PR2(CT) alone cost AUD$240! The standard PP front = $200. I wish we could get tires as cheap as you guys in the US do!
Pic of rear Pilot Road, the 2CT can be read in 2 places on the edge of the tread near the sidewall.
Nope, that's how they are done here as well. It's just that they are marketed and sold as "Pilot Road 2" and 2CT just means it has their "Two Compound Technology". I say call it whatever you like, PR2's or PR2CT's, same thing to me. :biggrin:
[image: View Post]BlueFireIce, on Jun 13 2008, 08:43 AM, said:
Nope, that's how they are done here as well. It's just that they are marketed and sold as "Pilot Road 2" and 2CT just means it has their "Two Compound Technology". I say call it whatever you like, PR2's or PR2CT's, same thing to me. :biggrin:
I don't care what anyone calls them, but to prevent what happened to me (wearhouse guy see's CT and sends me a PP 2CT) because at least here the PP is the only tire with "CT" on the label name sticker.
Yes the PR2 is a 2CT type tire, but it's not part of the name.
The one I just received yesterday says "Michelin Pilot Road 2 U" on the factory sticker, no CT. :rolleyes:
btw even calling them a PR2 is wrong, because the PR2 is actually a Michelin Power Race front tire and is labeled PR2. They also make a PR1(soft) and a PR-C (crowned) front tires. ;p
I run Power Race on my track bike so every time I see PR2 I think why are you running that Race tire on the street tying to get better mileage? :biggrin:
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[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 13 2008, 10:22 AM, said:
[image: View Post]BlueFireIce, on Jun 13 2008, 08:43 AM, said:
Nope, that's how they are done here as well. It's just that they are marketed and sold as "Pilot Road 2" and 2CT just means it has their "Two Compound Technology". I say call it whatever you like, PR2's or PR2CT's, same thing to me. :biggrin:
I don't care what anyone calls them, but to prevent what happened to me (wearhouse guy see's CT and sends me a PP 2CT) because at least here the PP is the only tire with "CT" on the label name sticker.
Yes the PR2 is a 2CT type tire, but it's not part of the name.
The one I just received yesterday says "Michelin Pilot Road 2 U" on the factory sticker, no CT. :rolleyes:
btw even calling them a PR2 is wrong, because the PR2 is actually a Michelin Power Race front tire and is labeled PR2. They also make a PR1(soft) and a PR-C (crowned) front tires. ;p
I run Power Race on my track bike so every time I see PR2 I think why are you running that Race tire on the street tying to get better mileage? :biggrin:
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Indeed, and I can understand ordering, most places selling them even get it mixed up and list them as "Pilot Road 2CT". All I know is I can't wait to get mine mounted with my PP front. :wheel:
[image: View Post]BlueFireIce, on Jun 13 2008, 11:49 AM, said:
Indeed, and I can understand ordering, most places selling them even get it mixed up and list them as "Pilot Road 2CT". All I know is I can't wait to get mine mounted with my PP front. :wheel:
Yes, the outfit (Sport Bike Track gear) I tried to order my first set from had them listed as Pilot Road 2TC on their web site, but the wearhouse guy saw the CT on the paper work and knew the only tire that had the "CT" in the ID was the PP2CT so that's what he shipped me! :dry:
Well I mounted a PR2 rear today with my PP2ct front...229.00 total (tax, mount & balance, tire disposal) Cycle Gear.....I got 100-120 miles on it so far....Honestly I cant tell much if any difference in the traction, stability from the PP2ct...awsome now lets see how long it last...cant wait to mount a matching set...I did a little slab and some high speed cornering...I think I could tell a little slower turn in the switchbacks area but really not sure if its just me...I kinda like to give a new tire a few warm up cool downs before I push it real hard but it seems nice to me!!!!!! :fing02:
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 13 2008, 10:07 PM, said:
Well I mounted a PR2 rear today with my PP2ct front...229.00 total (tax, mount & balance, tire disposal) Cycle Gear.....I got 100-120 miles on it so far....Honestly I cant tell much if any difference in the traction, stability from the PP2ct...awsome now lets see how long it last...cant wait to mount a matching set...I did a little slab and some high speed cornering...I think I could tell a little slower turn in the switchbacks area but really not sure if its just me...I kinda like to give a new tire a few warm up cool downs before I push it real hard but it seems nice to me!!!!!! :fing02:
That the combo I plan on using in the future,keep us posted as the miles row by
Mike
I just returned from a 3700 mile trip, 9 days Seattle to Grand Canyon to Seattle. Nine sport bikes riding as fast as we can get away with on the twistiest road we could find. I was on PR2 rear and PP front. That was the magic combination for this trip. The PP front quickens the steering more then the rear does. Actually I perfer the more stable feel with the PR2 rear compared to the PP. I was riding with a fast group and I wanted the best tires I could find to keep up. The last trip I went on with these guys the PP I had were toasted too soon to get me home. Half of our group which were on PP this trip replaced their rears in Las Vegas. The PR2 rear PP front performed fantastic and got me home again with penty of rubber to spare. This is the only combination I will run on this bike now. My O2 VFR turned over 60K miles at the begining of this trip. I work at home, no commute, 60K miles of all fun.
[image: View Post]Bad Boy, on Jun 14 2008, 02:07 AM, said:
My O2 VFR turned over 60K miles at the begining of this trip. I work at home, no commute, 60K miles of all fun.
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Me too,(60k all twisties) what a blast and great bike. :fing02: I ran a full set of Road 2's this time, but plan to run the PP front and Road 2 combo very soon! :biggrin:
Bent, my first post shows the front tire at 3500 miles at about 50% tread life.
I think the PP Road 2 combo will be closer to 1 to 1 ware rate.
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 14 2008, 03:37 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Bad Boy, on Jun 14 2008, 02:07 AM, said:
My O2 VFR turned over 60K miles at the begining of this trip. I work at home, no commute, 60K miles of all fun.
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Me too,(60k all twisties) what a blast and great bike. :fing02: I ran a full set of Road 2's this time, but plan to run the PP front and Road 2 combo very soon! :biggrin:
Bent, my first post shows the front tire at 3500 miles at about 50% tread life.
I think the PP Road 2 combo will be closer to 1 to 1 ware rate.
I am tempted to try the Road 2s after Bailyrock's review. I know how he rides and it is very much like my ride.. only I go about 10% slower. The only thing that is holding me back is that I LOVE the 2CTs. I'm getting 5k on a rear out of the 2CTs and I'm nearly 2500 into my second set. I never ran the true PPs so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. But the 2CTs are hands down the best tires I've ever put on a bike. (my 07 is now wearing her 5th set of tires if you can call what they send from the factory a tire, which came off after the break in 600 mile service.) I am looking to stretch for more milage as my 07 is set to flip over 18k this weekend. My local dealer (I can't say which one for fear of losing my connection) mounted my front and rear and changed the oil for $400 including all charges for the 2CTs. But, then again he was putting those Dunlop 208s on for $210 a set... so I didn't mind only getting 2.5k miles out of them plus you feel like a bad ass when you can hand someone a handful of balled up tire after you smoked them on their Gixxer through the twisties.. :rolleyes: But, back on topic...
Bailyrock, what exactly did you NOT like about the 2CTs?
[image: View Post]billyjackjimbob, on Jun 14 2008, 10:15 AM, said:
I'm getting 5k on a rear out of the 2CTs and I'm nearly 2500 into my second set. I never ran the true PPs so maybe I don't know what I'm missing.
Hey Kev,
You don't ride anything like me though if your getting 5k from any rear(even 3k)! :rolleyes: I might get 2k from a PP 2TC. Sounds like you should see 8k or better from a rear Road 2 with no loss of grip compared to a 2TC.
Bailyrock, what exactly did you NOT like about the 2CTs?
COST! It's not that I don't like PP 2TC's, it's just I have no reason to spend more on 2TC's when the standard PP provide all the grip ever needed right down to the cords, plus many of the faster guys here also prefer the PP over the PP2CT.
I push as hard or harder than anyone here and the PP has never let me down logging at least 40k miles of rippen twities on them. :fing02: The Road 2's though not as quick a tire, took the same level of abuse from me w/o complaint.
[image: View Post]skuuter trash, on Jun 8 2008, 06:15 PM, said:
Probably what I'll try after my Battlea$$es cup and wear out...........we'll see how far I can "STREEEEETCH" a pair of these puppies........... :fing02: I've been a battle axe guy for quite a few years and they do tend to cup and turn to trash at the end of their wear cycle. I've just got a pair of Strada's to replace the 020's but after reading this the pilot road 2's will replace them after a few K miles. I tried the Macadams and never bought a michilen again after those rubber turds :pissed: . Probably why the Bridgestone 56's felt so good for so long(much better tire than the 010). Got to love a web site that takes the expensive guess work out of buying tires.
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 14 2008, 03:32 PM, said:
[image: View Post]billyjackjimbob, on Jun 14 2008, 10:15 AM, said:
I'm getting 5k on a rear out of the 2CTs and I'm nearly 2500 into my second set. I never ran the true PPs so maybe I don't know what I'm missing.
Hey Kev,
You don't ride anything like me though if your getting 5k from any rear(even 3k)! :rolleyes: I might get 2k from a PP 2TC. Sounds like you should see 8k or better from a rear Road 2 with no loss of grip compared to a 2TC.
Bailyrock, what exactly did you NOT like about the 2CTs?
COST! It's not that I don't like PP 2TC's, it's just I have no reason to spend more on 2TC's when the standard PP provide all the grip ever needed right down to the cords, plus many of the faster guys here also prefer the PP over the PP2CT.
I push as hard or harder than anyone here and the PP has never let me down logging at least 40k miles of rippen twities on them. :fing02: The Road 2's though not as quick a tire, took the same level of abuse from me w/o complaint.
Kevin
I suppose I was wrong to even compair my ride with yours and thanks again for reminding me and everyone else here that we are not worthy to be compaired to Bailyrock. :rolleyes: LOL
The compairison I was trying to make is that I believe you and I have a similar STYLE of riding... and then admitted to being at least 10% slower... perhaps I should have stated 50% slower or 75% slower to be spared your wrath. :lurk:
I ride nearly nothing but mountain highways with curve after curve at 70-80 MPH all day long which can be verified by anyone at last falls Bristol BBQ meet. The rides at that meet were exaclty what I do every weekend. My 2CTs are yeilding me 5k of this type of riding but if I could get 8k for the same price that would be great.
I know many guys who are a tier above me in the speed department who enjoy living above the triple digit mark in my area and none of them are burning up tires consistantly less than 4k on a rear. I do notice that the highways in TN seem to be far more abusive to my tires than ours here in the Bluegrass State.
[image: View Post]billyjackjimbob, on Jun 14 2008, 06:17 PM, said:
I ride nearly nothing but mountain highways with curve after curve at 70-80 MPH all day long which can be verified by anyone at last falls Bristol BBQ meet. The rides at that meet were exaclty what I do every weekend. My 2CTs are yeilding me 5k of this type of riding but if I could get 8k for the same price that would be great.
I know many guys who are a tier above me in the speed department who enjoy living above the triple digit mark in my area and none of them are burning up tires consistantly less than 4k on a rear. I do notice that the highways in TN seem to be far more abusive to my tires than ours here in the Bluegrass State.
It isn't how fast you are that burns up rear tires. A real tire eater is accelerating full throttle high rpm into the straight aways. I know some experienced fast riders I struggle to follow, I rarely see their brake lights. They keep it in high gear and rail through the corners while I am slowing down for the corners and catching up in the straights. As I am learning to get faster in the corners my rear tire is lasting longer and my front is wearing sooner.
[image: View Post]billyjackjimbob, on Jun 14 2008, 09:17 PM, said:
I suppose I was wrong to even compair my ride with yours and thanks again for reminding me and everyone else here that we are not worthy to be compaired to Bailyrock. :rolleyes: LOL
The compairison I was trying to make is that I believe you and I have a similar STYLE of riding... and then admitted to being at least 10% slower... perhaps I should have stated 50% slower or 75% slower to be spared your wrath. :lurk:
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Didn't mean to step on your toes with my so called wrath Kev . :unsure:
I am just trying to do apples to apples Tire Wear comparo's.
I don't ride like someone who consistently only gets 1500 miles or 5000 miles from a rear. I'm talking about consistency, not speed. :rolleyes:
I ride very consistently and even the same 400 mile loop over and over during the last 40,000 miles at a PACE between 65-85, no 100 mph and usually no brakes or much full throttle, just constant or accelerating corners.
Guys that ride with me here get almost the same life from a tire as I do no matter if their on a R6, CBR or GSXR. When one of these guys say I tried this or that tire and got whatever mileage I am very confident that I would get similar mileage as well as feedback about the tire.
Would I love to get 5k from a PP2CT, you bet! :fing02:
btw I think you would like the Road 2 rear and get better mileage from them. :biggrin:
It has nothing to do with your riding ability good or bad. Also you are correct in the fact that road surfaces make a difference in wear too. ;p
LOL! Just messing with ya BR you know I got nothing but love for ya... you big lug! :wub:
As you describe your riding it is dead on my style. Not much over 80 not much under 60 I always say... brakes reserved for notifying those behind me that something tricky is coming up and for emergencies, thats my PACE.
I am not sure what they put in your highways down there in TN that makes it shine so much in the sunlight but we don't have that here. I will say TN roads are much cleaner and will latch onto a tire better than most of ours. Great for traction but hard on the rubber.
I may try the new Road2 next on the rear on your recommendation as now I'm 3k into the rear after another 400 mile day. Or, I may just continue to run the 2CTs and rub your nose in it that I can get 5K on em'. Ha!
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 15 2008, 04:35 PM, said:
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I don't ride like someone who consistently only gets 1500 miles or 5000 miles from a rear. I'm talking about consistency, not speed. :rolleyes:
I ride very consistently and even the same 400 mile loop over and over during the last 40,000 miles at a PACE between 65-85, no 100 mph and usually no brakes or much full throttle, just constant or accelerating corners.
It has nothing to do with your riding ability good or bad. Also you are correct in the fact that road surfaces make a difference in wear too. ;p
and what is your average life of the brake pads? The front and the rear? if you changed them once already in the 60k:)
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 15 2008, 12:54 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 15 2008, 04:35 PM, said:
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I don't ride like someone who consistently only gets 1500 miles or 5000 miles from a rear. I'm talking about consistency, not speed. :rolleyes:
I ride very consistently and even the same 400 mile loop over and over during the last 40,000 miles at a PACE between 65-85, no 100 mph and usually no brakes or much full throttle, just constant or accelerating corners.
It has nothing to do with your riding ability good or bad. Also you are correct in the fact that road surfaces make a difference in wear too. ;p
and what is your average life of the brake pads? The front and the rear? if you changed them once already in the 60k:)
I show new EBC HH's pads at 32k miles and I thought I just replaced them again, but didn't log it if I did!
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BJJB,
Glad your just messing with me as the last thing I want to do is berate a friend or even member, OK once in a while! :rolleyes:
I'm exactly the same with the brakes, hardly ever use them but hit them to activate the brake light to warn riders behind that they might want to slow down for this one! :fing02:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Jun 15 2008, 11:50 PM, said:
I show new EBC HH's pads at 32k miles and I thought I just replaced them again, but didn't log it if I did!
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My rear were replaced at 40kkm/24kmi. the front ones are still half-full :)
Yea, I ride more straights - 1/3 only were twisties in the Alps - and K12GT is a lot heavier than VFR. Also I noticed the engine braking became worse upon the latest software upgrade.
The PP2ct that was on before I fitted the PR2 had around 2800-3000 miles.......I i dont see more form the PR2 I'll go back to the original PP....2000-3000 miles is all I can ever get out of a rear of brand so after what Bailey statedof his experience with the PR2s I had to try it out..if hes getting almost double life out just imagine the savings I'll have!!!!!!!!! Honestly though I dont really know what wears out the tires worse ie: straitline blast or hard cornering...I know each one wears tires differently, just as you can tell if someone has a tendency to traillbrake hard before cornering..each style of riding leaves its fingerprint in the tire...I always thought rear tires wor first on any bike until recently a friend of mine bought a BMW LT and wore the front tire out in 3k!????? What was he doing, or is it the bike??? Anyway still cant say how many miles Ill get from the PR2 but I know it sticks good now!!!!!!!!!!
BJJB,
Glad your just messing with me as the last thing I want to do is berate a friend or even member, OK once in a while! :rolleyes:
I'm exactly the same with the brakes, hardly ever use them but hit them to activate the brake light to warn riders behind that they might want to slow down for this one! :fing02:
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Where do you think I learned that "activate the brake like to warn riders thing?" From you man! :wub: I tell em all the exact same thing you told us at TMAC #2. "If you see me tap my brakes, there is a pretty good curve coming up... If you see me USE my brakes slow the hell down!" LOL
I'm gonna have to try some Road2s... I just logged another 350 mile day. I think I have a "problem?" :rolleyes:
Good tip on the Derby outfit. Cheapest I could find for the Road 2s and they made it to Colorado in just a few days. I think they shipped the same day I ordered them.
[image: View Post]billyjackjimbob, on Jun 15 2008, 08:18 AM, said:
LOL! Just messing with ya BR you know I got nothing but love for ya... you big lug! :wub:
As you describe your riding it is dead on my style. Not much over 80 not much under 60 I always say... brakes reserved for notifying those behind me that something tricky is coming up and for emergencies, thats my PACE.
I am not sure what they put in your highways down there in TN that makes it shine so much in the sunlight but we don't have that here. I will say TN roads are much cleaner and will latch onto a tire better than most of ours. Great for traction but hard on the rubber.
I may try the new Road2 next on the rear on your recommendation as now I'm 3k into the rear after another 400 mile day. Or, I may just continue to run the 2CTs and rub your nose in it that I can get 5K on em'. Ha!
The shiney stuff on Tenn. and N. Ga. roads is a mineral called "mica" found naturally in the rock and road building material in the area. It is a tiny flake (but can be large before ground up) that isn't really abrasive as used in the roads. I find the N. Bama and Mid-Tenn. roads to be less abrasive than the NC, Gap area roads. For example...Wayah road is a tire EATER, IMO.
Next time I need a new rear and front at the same time, it will be PR2s. If I don't get as good a mileage as BR, it will be someone else's fault... :laugh:
I would feel good to get 3K out of any kind of rear. I tend to ride without using the brakes also and no triple digit stuff either. I do hit it hard coming out of turns. I have nothing to do with poor tire wear..... :rolleyes:
EDIT: I couldn't stand it anymore....just ordered a front and rear PR2 from Derby for the same price at PhatPat only shipping for two is less than three tires...duh. Now, I just need to ride some bikes and use up some tires. My new tire inventory is way too high. :biggrin: :rolleyes:
Got my PR2CTs on the bike today and took it for a tire scrubbing ride around the neighborhood before the sun went down. First impressions:
1) Realize once again that tires are part of your suspension. The ride was much more compliant compared with my old Dunlop 208s, which aside from the bad front cupping, they were hard as a rocks from age.
2) Low speed handling was much more stable with no tendency of the bike falling in on slow u-turns.
3) Didn't go that fast yet, but the PR2CTs feel really stuck to the road. Just in the moderate speed turns and curves I was able to ride this afternoon, they already gave me much more confidence with the front end.
I don't think I'm ever going back to Dunlops again.
Can't wait for next weekend to try them out on the twisties up Skyline Hwy 35! :fing02:
Funny thing about getting these PR2CTs this weekend, I noticed not to many shops in the bay area stock the correct 170 section for my 4th gen. The norm out there these days is 180 and wider. I got what seemed to be the only set left at a downtown SF MC tire and accessory shop for a good price. One shop in Fairfield was selling me sell me their only 170 section tire that have seen better days. The tire (Metzeler Sportec M3s), for some reason looked (rubber looks dry, oxidized, glazed) and felt (hard) old that it must have been harder than my old 208s. They must have left it out in the open too long that it aged quickly. Looking in the tire, I even saw signs of rainwater that must have pooled in it. I don't think they tried to sell me the old tire on purpose because the salesperson did not seem to be familiar with how new MC sport tires should look and feel, but you have to watch out for yourself when you buy the only tire they have your size, cause it could be the only tire that size left for a reason.
[image: View Post]Beck, on Jun 23 2008, 09:12 AM, said:
They must have left it out in the open too long that it aged quickly. Looking in the tire, I even saw signs of rainwater that must have pooled in it. I don't think they tried to sell me the old tire on purpose because the salesperson did not seem to be familiar with how new MC sport tires should look and feel, but you have to watch out for yourself when you buy the only tire they have your size, cause it could be the only tire that size left for a reason.
a group of four digits on a tyre indicates week and year of its production. For example: 0408 = means week 4 of 2008. 4607 = week 46 of 2007. And so on.
[image: View Post]Dutchy, on Jun 13 2008, 03:09 PM, said:
[image: View Post]easyman05, on Jun 13 2008, 08:42 AM, said:
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Jun 13 2008, 05:53 AM, said:
"PR2CT( paid $600 mounted). She said they were much better than the PR2."
$600 BUCKS!?????? :blink: Isnt that a little....HIGH?????
Yes, that's the hell of " a little high" :)
But I had no choice - that was the price of my BMW dealer(including 10% discount). But the problem was to find them here - Michelin does not produce mototyres in their Moscow plant and the importers always made mistakes in market estimations, every year we face a deficit of tyres in the middle of the season.
A set costs Euro 355 in the Netherlands so with exhange rate and fee for fitting that comes close to $600 too...... :pissed:
Petrol running towards Eur 1,60 a litre :pissed:
Will than make me ride a single kilomer less? Nope! ;p
For Europeans THIS site has some OK prizes I think
RESULTS so far: Ordered a set of PR2's from Derby Cycles last Friday night. Arrived an hour ago....Tuesday....pretty quick delivery AND, they came in a corrugated BOX!! That's a first for an internet ordered tire for me... :blink:
On both tires, it says "made in Spain" for whatever that's worth. The front sure felt soft. Is the front a two compound tire? The front on a BT021 is not a two compound tire.
Is the UPC label on each tire supposed to align with the valve stem when mounting? It is on another brand of tire but heck if I can remember which one.
They'll get put to the Bent test on one of the two VFR's when both need to be changed at the same time...tightwad here... :biggrin:
With only having 600 miles on a 05 VFR, I purchased a month ago used that had 1,046 miles when I bought it with the stock Dunlop sportmax two D204, would the upgrade to the Pilot Power (Front) & Pilot Road 2 (Rear) be a good idea? Or should I just keep running the Dunlop's. I ride slow and I'm not trying to keep up with anyone just want to have good solid tires that I can have some confidence in that will do it all when I need them.
I'm just an average rider. Chicken strips a mile wide, and never skipped out a wheel, except a few wet spots. I rode Roads for the first 30,000 km, and have PR2s now. Confidence inspiring, kind of a "Stiffer, but softer" feel. These are my tires from now on.
[image: View Post]i_needit, on Jun 27 2008, 06:15 PM, said:
With only having 600 miles on a 05 VFR, I purchased a month ago used that had 1,046 miles when I bought it with the stock Dunlop sportmax two D204, would the upgrade to the Pilot Power (Front) & Pilot Road 2 (Rear) be a good idea? Or should I just keep running the Dunlop's. I ride slow and I'm not trying to keep up with anyone just want to have good solid tires that I can have some confidence in that will do it all when I need them.
You'll replace plenty of tires on your bike. Unless you have a problem with the stock tires I'd use 'em up.
[image: View Post]Rustbucket, on Jun 27 2008, 10:00 PM, said:
[image: View Post]i_needit, on Jun 27 2008, 06:15 PM, said:
With only having 600 miles on a 05 VFR, I purchased a month ago used that had 1,046 miles when I bought it with the stock Dunlop sportmax two D204, would the upgrade to the Pilot Power (Front) & Pilot Road 2 (Rear) be a good idea? Or should I just keep running the Dunlop's. I ride slow and I'm not trying to keep up with anyone just want to have good solid tires that I can have some confidence in that will do it all when I need them.
You'll replace plenty of tires on your bike. Unless you have a problem with the stock tires I'd use 'em up.
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The stock tire are fine if you don't push the bike at all, whenever you wear them out any new tire will be an improvemnt! :fing02:
Got my next set of tires ready to go, PP front & Road 2 rear ready to try after a full set of Road 2's which I liked! [image: Posted Image]
I got 3500 miles from the rear and here's the front at 4240 miles and I've hit the wear bars on the sides, but not the center yet. [image: Posted Image]
Now this Road 2 is worn, but you can see the profile difference between the PP & Road 2 fronts. [image: Posted Image]
Went for a first twisty ride up to Alice's on my new PR2CTs and OH MY GOD!, what a difference!! My 4th gen was literally reborn with smoothest/neutral handling and transitions through sweepers and tight curves. I haven't felt this much confidence with my front and rear end ever! I don't remember the bike handling this great even when it was new. I hope the tires wear well and the handling stays good for a loooong time. No more Dunlops ("Dudlops"?) for me, ever(?)!
Bumped into and had a nice chat with "VFRPorrada" up at Alices on his cool looking Asphalt Gen 6. Hope to see more of you guys up there this summer, specially now that I have more reason to ride more often with the sweet handling the PR2CTs have given the old red horse! I noticed that there haven't been too many Viffer riders at Alice's in the past few years. :( I also bumped into a couple of former Viffer riders that seem to want to come back to the fold.......if only Honda will come up with the next gen to freshen up the line once again.
I give the PR2CTs a solid 10 rating! :fing02: You can't go wrong with these Spanish made Frog tires! :beer:
[image: View Post]Beck, on Jun 29 2008, 08:39 PM, said:
I give the PR2CTs a solid 10 rating! :fing02: You can't go wrong with these Spanish made Frog tires! :beer:
Beck
95 VFR
Glad you liked them! :fing02:
I just finished my first 400 mile blast on the PP/PR 2 combo and I have to say I really like this mix, very nice feel and feedback. I think this will be my fav set-up so far! :rolleyes:
Just a continuing my review on my new PR2CTs.
Took it on faster, longer rides this weekend in the mountains and got to really find out how these tires handle the tight fast stuff. As some had already mentioned, the rear does seem to turn a liitle slower than Dunlops. I noticed that I do have to push/toss the bike into transitions a little bit harder/more deliberately, but the difference is, there is much more confidence with better feel and traction from the front and rear. The sense of the tires sticking like glue to the road helps you go faster through the twisties without constant fear of lowsiding I got with my previous Dunlop 207 and 208 tires. And there is no skittering on bumpy turns, The Road 2s just seem to absorb the bumps without any directional deflection, even while accelerating hard out of turns. My Dunlops did this very badly. I did go a little wide on a couple early tight fast turns before I got the PR2CTs "figured out" but not to the point of crossing over lanes. I got the rear scuffed to a little less that 1/4" of the rear tire's tread edges without any feeling of it getting to it's limits even at the tightest, fastest turns and long fast sweepers. It was a good sweaty workout with the new tires this weekend, but it was all done with a big grin on my face and no "pucker butt" events at all! :fing02: The PR2CTs make very excellent sport road tires with fantastic traction and amazingly stable straightline high speed highway handling, but if you want the quick(er)(st) transitions, you might want to consider tires with different profiles (Pilot Power CTs??).
Question now is, will the PR2CTs reveal it's traction limits in a big bad surprising way......or do I need to learn how to drag elbows pretty soon :biggrin:
I had my front Pilot Road 2 wash out on me about a week ago. Can't really blame the tire though. Keithbob was behind me and he said he saw my front tire catch air after hitting a pothole in the middle of a corner. Once the front came back down, it washed out on me. I luckily saved it by pushing the bike upright a bit and supermotoing with my foot down. :squid: I have to say I'm impressed with how quickly the Pilot Road 2 regained traction.
I also had the rear end kick loose earlier that day. I hit a dip in the middle of a corner and my kickstand caught on the pavement. The rear tire stepped out probably about 4-6 inches, but it quickly regained traction nicely.
Besides these two little hiccups (not the tires fault, just mine), the tires perform well all day. :fing02:
I have switched to the Pilot Power front with the Road 2 rear and I think this is the combo I plan on keeping until a better "Holy Grail" is produced as this combo is the closest thing at the moment for people who love the twisties IMO. I've already hear of other getting better then 8k miles from the Road 2's so they should be an excellent choice for everyone. :biggrin:
The PP front offers a little quicker turn in over the Road 2 and this set should wear out at about the same rate. I've only done two rides (700 miles) but one was a ripper and they performed flawlessly!
Report to follow when I wear this set out completely! :fing02:
[image: View Post]Beck, on Jul 6 2008, 11:38 PM, said:
Just a continuing my review on my new PR2CTs. And there is no skittering on bumpy turns, The Road 2s just seem to absorb the bumps without any directional deflection, even while accelerating hard out of turns.
I just put my PR2's on and rode to work, two lane mountain twisties. I'm always a bit reserved about judging a new tire because the tire it replaced is totally worn out so new ones always feel great.
I can say this for certain, my PR 1's, even running the PR 1 rear and a PP front beat the holy crap out of me on rough pavement. It was so bad, with my toasted stock suspension, that it really was not fun at times. You still feel the bumps with the PR 2's, but you get very little jarring.
That alone is worth the cost for the tires to me for I ride nasty broken two lane twistie pavement every day to and from work.
I just installed PR2's on my '99' with 60,000 mi on it and it feels like a new bike. I've run Dunlop 220s the last 3 sets and the difference between these tires is amazing. I agree with everything Beck had to say. No more Dunlops for me.
[image: View Post]DenT, on Aug 19 2008, 07:55 PM, said:
No markings huh? any tips for a decent mounting location or do i just kind of guess and figure it out with the weights later?
Just guess, then if the front requires more than 2 weights, rear 4 weights, rotate the tire on the wheel and try again.
BTW, +1 on the Road2's performance. I mounted one last week and was finally able to take it for my usual ride today. Felt damn near as good as the Powers.
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Aug 19 2008, 08:23 PM, said:
BTW, +1 on the Road2's performance. I mounted one last week and was finally able to take it for my usual ride today. Felt damn near as good as the Powers.
A have a few thousand miles on my PRII's now. I can say with firm conviction, they are the best street tire I have ever run. Comfort, predictable turn in, rock solid once in the turn, great planted feel to the front and not a hint of slide even pushed to the edge. If mine run close to my PRI's regarding mileage, they will be the only tire I need for the VFR.
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Aug 19 2008, 08:23 PM, said:
BTW, +1 on the Road2's performance. I mounted one last week and was finally able to take it for my usual ride today. Felt damn near as good as the Powers.
That's cool as you live on the Dragon! :rolleyes:
Keep us up to date on mileage, even if the grip was a hair off the PP's grip the extra life alone is well worth it IMO. :fing02:
I have around 3k on my PP/PR-2 combo now and noticed some vegness(front tuck feel) in the front starting on my second day of my Gap area trip. Just notice a little uneasy feel when leaned over far and hard pushing twisties, of course I was running full bags & tail bag and did not change the suspension at all for that extra weight.
Felt it a little again w/o all the bags on my loop Sunday, but I may have been in that weird zone between my street and track body position that seems to mess me up. We'll see! :unsure:
I just took off the rear tire and it had 11000km (~6850mi.). Like every other tire I used so far, it started getting more and more 'greasy' as I got closer to the wear bars. In reality I could have put another 1500km on them, but I had lost enough confidence in their grip that I took the rear tire off. I had a half-used BT021 from earlier this summer, so I had the shop spoon that on until the front PR2 is worn out. FTR this combo (PR2/BT021 front/rear) actually rides pretty nice.
I intend to put new PR2s front and back at the end of this moto season (probably another 2000km left to ride this year).
As far as the handling, I liked them more than any previous tire, especially the smooth lazy turn-in. Yes, you have to push the bike down more in the turns, but I actually prefer that.
As far as wear is concerned, they lasted as long as my PR tires, but with more comfort. They also didn't 'square off' as much as other tires. For the record, the type of riding the PR2s saw was 3500km of Blue Ridge Parkway, Cherohala, Deal's Gap stuff, and the balance a mix of 65% slab & 35% twisties.
Not quite 25 sets of tires but in reference I have gone through:
2 sets of Dunlops (1 OEM, 1 replacement), enough of that sh!t...
1 set Pilot Roads
2 sets of BT021 (the fronts wore out faster than the rear, both times) The dual compound is on the rear only, so I guess the front compound is the sticky stuff.
1 set of PR2 (still milking the last few km out of the front, with a hand me down BT021 rear)
In order of preference
PR2, BT021, PR, Dunlops
So that is 6 sets of tires and I'm just about to turn 60000km on the bike and tires are due. For all of you statisticians and math freaks, that comes out to let's see...10000km average per set. The BT021s were the only model that NEEDED a front tire when the rear was done. I used to only change the rears when needed, but the front would never last for the full life of the second rear, so I'd end up having to visit the dealer again to change the front, so the last couple of sets I just put both new tires.
I paid 389CAD tax-in for the PR2s (which means something here because that includes the 14.5% tax I get nicked for in Quebec).
[image: View Post]jfviffer, on Aug 1 2008, 11:44 PM, said:
any advice with going with PR2 on back and keeping conti RD attacks on front which still have lots of life left. or is not advisable to mix the two.
I have not mixed the two, but can tell you that the rounded profile of the Road Attack in front should be consistent with the rounder profile of the PR2 in the rear, and I really liked the road attacks on my 3G; they were far better than the Pilot Roads (did not like those) although not as sticky as a Pilot Power my guess is they will work fine together. In the wet (lots of that here as I'm sure you know), the Road Attacks were one of my favourite tires.
So i mounted mine up a few days ago and put about 200mi on them. I can't complain, they do all i ask of them.
a concern i had was that when setting the bead for the front i didnt get the usual POP but they rather slid into position. Becasue of this i went into la-la-land for a minute and overfilled them quite a bit. i deflated shortly after. could i have damaged the tire? it rode fine and i dont see any deformations. are there any tell tale signs? thanks
[image: View Post]DenT, on Aug 25 2008, 12:05 PM, said:
a concern i had was that when setting the bead for the front i didnt get the usual POP but they rather slid into position. Becasue of this i went into la-la-land for a minute and overfilled them quite a bit. i deflated shortly after. could i have damaged the tire? it rode fine and i dont see any deformations. are there any tell tale signs? thanks
I wouldn't think you could have caused a problem unless you put over 100 psi in them. :unsure:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Aug 25 2008, 01:19 PM, said:
[image: View Post]DenT, on Aug 25 2008, 12:05 PM, said:
a concern i had was that when setting the bead for the front i didnt get the usual POP but they rather slid into position. Becasue of this i went into la-la-land for a minute and overfilled them quite a bit. i deflated shortly after. could i have damaged the tire? it rode fine and i dont see any deformations. are there any tell tale signs? thanks
I wouldn't think you could have caused a problem unless you put over 100 psi in them. :unsure:
well i could have... 116...small tires climb a lot faster in PSI then im used to...
I've got PR2's with about a thousand miles on them and they are great. I took them to the track last weekend and they worked like a charm (see video). I haven't ridden in the rain yet, but they've got plenty of grip in the dry. :)
[image: View Post]drago52, on Aug 25 2008, 12:40 PM, said:
I've got PR2's with about a thousand miles on them and they are great. I took them to the track last weekend and they worked like a charm (see video). I haven't ridden in the rain yet, but they've got plenty of grip in the dry. :)
[image: View Post]DenT, on Aug 25 2008, 10:05 AM, said:
So i mounted mine up a few days ago and put about 200mi on them. I can't complain, they do all i ask of them.
a concern i had was that when setting the bead for the front i didnt get the usual POP but they rather slid into position. Becasue of this i went into la-la-land for a minute and overfilled them quite a bit. i deflated shortly after. could i have damaged the tire? it rode fine and i dont see any deformations. are there any tell tale signs? thanks
Nope, I highly doubt you damaged the tire.
Low-profile car tires are notorious difficult to get the bead to set. My dad, brother, and I fought with the tires from my mom's Audi for hours tired to get them to set. We eventually got them mounted and then later my dad took the tires down to tire shop to get them balanced. He mentioned to the shop about how difficult it was to set the beads. That's when they told him that low-profile tires are a PITA and that if they can't get them to set right away, they pump the tires up to 100 psi or so and stick them in the corner of the shop. After a few hours, the beads will usually pop into place. :blink:
I bought a set of the Road 2's about a month ago, and love them. Most of my riding is commuting to work up and down a mountain road. Great feel, and wearing pretty well also.
[image: View Post]Darth Bling, on Aug 25 2008, 02:44 PM, said:
[image: View Post]DenT, on Aug 25 2008, 10:05 AM, said:
So i mounted mine up a few days ago and put about 200mi on them. I can't complain, they do all i ask of them.
a concern i had was that when setting the bead for the front i didnt get the usual POP but they rather slid into position. Becasue of this i went into la-la-land for a minute and overfilled them quite a bit. i deflated shortly after. could i have damaged the tire? it rode fine and i dont see any deformations. are there any tell tale signs? thanks
Nope, I highly doubt you damaged the tire.
Low-profile car tires are notorious difficult to get the bead to set. My dad, brother, and I fought with the tires from my mom's Audi for hours tired to get them to set. We eventually got them mounted and then later my dad took the tires down to tire shop to get them balanced. He mentioned to the shop about how difficult it was to set the beads. That's when they told him that low-profile tires are a PITA and that if they can't get them to set right away, they pump the tires up to 100 psi or so and stick them in the corner of the shop. After a few hours, the beads will usually pop into place. :blink:
Gave Mich a call and told em. they said so long as i wasn't riding on them with 110+ PSI (or any additional load for that matter). there shouldn't be a problem with structural integrity. I myself figure that the pressure probably gets up there with 500lbs of bike+ a rider and pot holes at 70 mph. seeing as i had it unloaded, it sounds reasonable.
[image: View Post]DenT, on Aug 25 2008, 02:48 PM, said:
Gave Mich a call and told em. they said so long as i wasn't riding on them with 110+ PSI (or any additional load for that matter). there shouldn't be a problem with structural integrity. I myself figure that the pressure probably gets up there with 500lbs of bike+ a rider and pot holes at 70 mph. seeing as i had it unloaded, it sounds reasonable.
Sounds like your good to go! Glad it worked out! :fing02:
So, BR, will you go with a PP front and PR2 rear next time, or put PR2s on both ends again? Do you see significantly faster wear of the PP front over the PR2? And if so, is there enough difference in grip and feel to justify the shorter life? Derby has the PP front at $101.99 and the PR2 front at $113.99 right now, so cost difference is negligible. I'm about to pull the trigger and order, so your feedback will help me decide.
[image: View Post]magellan, on Sep 4 2008, 02:07 PM, said:
So, BR, will you go with a PP front and PR2 rear next time, or put PR2s on both ends again? Do you see significantly faster wear of the PP front over the PR2? And if so, is there enough difference in grip and feel to justify the shorter life? Derby has the PP front at $101.99 and the PR2 front at $113.99 right now, so cost difference is negligible. I'm about to pull the trigger and order, so your feedback will help me decide.
Thanks!
Well I may play around with both some more, but I just ordered a second PP/PR2 set.
The PR2 front will for sure outlast the PP by 1 or 2k miles and IMO has the same grip as the PP, they say the outer compound on the PR2's is PP rubber anyway. :fing02:
The Only difference is steering quickness with the PP falling in quicker. I guess it depends on what tires your currently run and what profile they have. If your used to and like rounder profile fronts where you have to increase bar pressure to increase lean angle then for sure go PR2. If you like and run more crowned/pointed fronts that fall into a turn then the PR2 will take a little adjustment in tune-in point, this took me 1/2 day(on PR2's) before I could ripe as fast as I've ever run on any tire.
My current PP/PR2 set is basically at the wear bars front and rear with 3200 miles on them and that's kind of what I expected, change them as sets. During the first 2000-2500 miles on this set-up I thought my bike felt better then it has at any previous time(loved it), BUT during the last 1k miles it seemed to have lost a bunch of feel on the front and my confidence faded rapidly! :unsure: I could still haul butt, but something just didn't/doesn't feel right???
I have not isolated just exactly what is causing this issue so I have not posted my tire ride report yet on that PP/PR2 combo, my plan is to slap a new PP front on as soon as I get one mounted and change nothing else on the bike to see if in fact it is a worn PP front causing this problem. If in fact it is, I will most likely go back to a PR2 front and adjust my steering input to suit.
As soon as I know for sure what is causing the poor front end feel I'll post up about it. :fing02:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Sep 4 2008, 05:29 PM, said:
[image: View Post]magellan, on Sep 4 2008, 02:07 PM, said:
So, BR, will you go with a PP front and PR2 rear next time, or put PR2s on both ends again? Do you see significantly faster wear of the PP front over the PR2? And if so, is there enough difference in grip and feel to justify the shorter life? Derby has the PP front at $101.99 and the PR2 front at $113.99 right now, so cost difference is negligible. I'm about to pull the trigger and order, so your feedback will help me decide.
Thanks!
Well I may play around with both some more, but I just ordered a second PP/PR2 set.
The PR2 front will for sure outlast the PP by 1 or 2k miles and IMO has the same grip as the PP, they say the outer compound on the PR2's is PP rubber anyway. :fing02:
The Only difference is steering quickness with the PP falling in quicker. I guess it depends on what tires your currently run and what profile they have. If your used to and like rounder profile fronts where you have to increase bar pressure to increase lean angle then for sure go PR2. If you like and run more crowned/pointed fronts that fall into a turn then the PR2 will take a little adjustment in tune-in point, this took me 1/2 day(on PR2's) before I could ripe as fast as I've ever run on any tire.
My current PP/PR2 set is basically at the wear bars front and rear with 3200 miles on them and that's kind of what I expected, change them as sets. During the first 2000-2500 miles on this set-up I thought my bike felt better then it has at any previous time(loved it), BUT during the last 1k miles it seemed to have lost a bunch of feel on the front and my confidence faded rapidly! :unsure: I could still haul butt, but something just didn't/doesn't feel right???
I have not isolated just exactly what is causing this issue so I have not posted my tire ride report yet on that PP/PR2 combo, my plan is to slap a new PP front on as soon as I get one mounted and change nothing else on the bike to see if in fact it is a worn PP front causing this problem. If in fact it is, I will most likely go back to a PR2 front and adjust my steering input to suit.
As soon as I know for sure what is causing the poor front end feel I'll post up about it. :fing02:
No offense, but this thread has entirely too much talk about PPs and PP rubber. :goofy:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Sep 4 2008, 04:29 PM, said:
My current PP/PR2 set is basically at the wear bars front and rear with 3200 miles on them and that's kind of what I expected, change them as sets. During the first 2000-2500 miles on this set-up I thought my bike felt better then it has at any previous time(loved it), BUT during the last 1k miles it seemed to have lost a bunch of feel on the front and my confidence faded rapidly! :unsure: I could still haul butt, but something just didn't/doesn't feel right???
I have not isolated just exactly what is causing this issue so I have not posted my tire ride report yet on that PP/PR2 combo, my plan is to slap a new PP front on as soon as I get one mounted and change nothing else on the bike to see if in fact it is a worn PP front causing this problem. If in fact it is, I will most likely go back to a PR2 front and adjust my steering input to suit.
As soon as I know for sure what is causing the poor front end feel I'll post up about it. :fing02:
That's what I was getting on that combo when I ran with you and HS. I couldn't ever pin it down but it just didn't feel 100% to me. I would like to try a PR2 front and rear some time but as long as my trips are only 1500 miles I definitely prefer the powers.
[image: View Post]dutchinterceptor, on Sep 4 2008, 04:44 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Sep 4 2008, 04:29 PM, said:
My current PP/PR2 set is basically at the wear bars front and rear with 3200 miles on them and that's kind of what I expected, change them as sets. During the first 2000-2500 miles on this set-up I thought my bike felt better then it has at any previous time(loved it), BUT during the last 1k miles it seemed to have lost a bunch of feel on the front and my confidence faded rapidly! :unsure: I could still haul butt, but something just didn't/doesn't feel right???
I have not isolated just exactly what is causing this issue so I have not posted my tire ride report yet on that PP/PR2 combo, my plan is to slap a new PP front on as soon as I get one mounted and change nothing else on the bike to see if in fact it is a worn PP front causing this problem. If in fact it is, I will most likely go back to a PR2 front and adjust my steering input to suit.
As soon as I know for sure what is causing the poor front end feel I'll post up about it. :fing02:
That's what I was getting on that combo when I ran with you and HS. I couldn't ever pin it down but it just didn't feel 100% to me. I would like to try a PR2 front and rear some time but as long as my trips are only 1500 miles I definitely prefer the powers.
I remember you saying that Dutch, but like I said the first 2/3's of the sets life felt fantastic then one day it was gone! :unsure:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Sep 4 2008, 02:52 PM, said:
[image: View Post]dutchinterceptor, on Sep 4 2008, 04:44 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Sep 4 2008, 04:29 PM, said:
My current PP/PR2 set is basically at the wear bars front and rear with 3200 miles on them and that's kind of what I expected, change them as sets. During the first 2000-2500 miles on this set-up I thought my bike felt better then it has at any previous time(loved it), BUT during the last 1k miles it seemed to have lost a bunch of feel on the front and my confidence faded rapidly! :unsure: I could still haul butt, but something just didn't/doesn't feel right???
I have not isolated just exactly what is causing this issue so I have not posted my tire ride report yet on that PP/PR2 combo, my plan is to slap a new PP front on as soon as I get one mounted and change nothing else on the bike to see if in fact it is a worn PP front causing this problem. If in fact it is, I will most likely go back to a PR2 front and adjust my steering input to suit.
As soon as I know for sure what is causing the poor front end feel I'll post up about it. :fing02:
That's what I was getting on that combo when I ran with you and HS. I couldn't ever pin it down but it just didn't feel 100% to me. I would like to try a PR2 front and rear some time but as long as my trips are only 1500 miles I definitely prefer the powers.
I remember you saying that Dutch, but like I said the first 2/3's of the sets life felt fantastic then one day it was gone! :unsure:
I look forward to hearing your thoughts after you replace the set. I think what you're experiencing is pretty common with lots of brands and models. I loved my last Z6s and got great mileage out of them, but the last 1000 miles felt pretty sketchy. Then I went to Diablos (which I'm still on) and low-sided early this summer at a speed I thought was pretty reasonable. It took 2000 more miles on those tires to get my mojo back, just in time for them to be 1000 miles from worn out and starting to feel kind of weird, just like the Z6s and your combo.
I've kind of narrowed my shopping to PP/PR2, PR2/PR2, Dunlop Roadsmart, or Z6s again. The Roadsmarts are pretty new and I know nothing about them, but I suspect I can't go wrong with the other choices.
I put alot of miles on z6 rears, they met a minimum level of performance and life, I went to the bt 21 rear and it turned the bike into a complete snake, and gets every bit of milege a z6 rear does, but perfomance is 2 worlds ahead.
The proad2 rear is a longer life tire but not as quick cutting as the Bt21 (rear), those are the only 2 rears I' run now, I'm going back to the Bt rear to confirm my thoughts.
I thought the bt21 was much better bump wise right off the bat, and excellent rain tire , the proad2 less bump compliant until a few thousand mile, then gets better.
But I do agree the Proad2 rear is the longest life and provides an excellent level of performance
[image: View Post]spud786, on Sep 4 2008, 07:21 PM, said:
I only run pilotpower fronts
I put alot of miles on z6 rears, they met a minimum level of performance and life, I went to the bt 21 rear and it turned the bike into a complete snake, and gets every bit of milege a z6 rear does, but perfomance is 2 worlds ahead.
The proad2 rear is a longer life tire but not as quick cutting as the Bt21 (rear), those are the only 2 rears I' run now, I'm going back to the Bt rear to confirm my thoughts.
I thought the bt21 was much better bump wise right off the bat, and excellent rain tire , the proad2 less bump compliant until a few thousand mile, then gets better.
But I do agree the Proad2 rear is the longest life and provides an excellent level of performance
Interesting. I ran my Z6s like they were Powers :biggrin: and they never let me down. And yes, I ride very hard once I reach the twisties. I never thought of them as "minimum spec", and I sure like them better than Diablos! I suppose I'll have to see just how much the latest and greatest make a difference... :comp13:
The full proad 2 package seems to have gotten very favorable results, yet the ppower front and road2 rear combo seems to have gotten mixed results.
what I found the rear proad 2 goes really south performance wise once around 2/3mm to the wear bars, almost at the flip of a light switch.
It may be the case where the slower turning front proad 2, makes degrading of rear tire this less noticable. Where as the PPower, points out the rears degrade.
Over all the proad2 will give the life of a z4 met rear, quite a feat for its performance level
Is there anything on the bike you can change to take some of the quickness out of the PP turn in?? The first set I had were used on my track bike and I loved them on that thing. After 3 track days, I then put them on the VFR and it was kind of scary. Couldn't go in a straight line because the edges were just about worn out and the centers were almost new. Of course then I took the 5 mm shim out of the shock and it helped. I then slid the forks back down into the triple trees 5 mm and it was still better, but not that great. I wore those down pretty quick and put a brand new set of PP's on. Handling was better yet, but still not to the comfort level I had with the Pirelli's that were on it.
So, is there anything else I can do or is it just the profile of the tire and I'll have to get used to it or change tires??
I'm not sure about how many miles I will get out of these yet either. With the Pirelli Diablo's, I consistently got 3,500 out of the rear. Corsa III's I think I got about 2,800.
Maybe PR2 front and rear would be a better match for me?? A change in front profile and longer life out back?
I hear you on the worn out Powers. If I do the trailer up to the good road thing, my Powers are worn into a V shape even more severe than they come from the factory, and straight line stability is well, nonexistant. I have not found any way to counter it other than to ride superslab, and I would rather deal with the weaving back and forth before riding highways.
[image: View Post]wera803, on Nov 14 2008, 03:20 AM, said:
Maybe PR2 front and rear would be a better match for me?? A change in front profile and longer life out back?
Thanks.
I haven't tried the PR2 front yet, but I'm at about 2k miles on the PR2 rear and it's holding up incredibly well! Probably the best rear street tire I've ever used.
I have a similar problem with the front of the Tuono... a new PP on the front gives a very predictable, stable feel that leads to a lot of confidence... slapping on a track tire gives me some fresh rubber up front... but the stability is not there, takes away some of the predictability an thus confidence...
I don't know if I'm gonna go with a PR2 front... since I still have a couple of PP front take offs laying about.... hard to justify buying another front tire just for street use. As much as I like the PR2 rear, the next two rears on the Tuono will be PP's because they're the tires I wasted at Jennings and Mid Ohio... Don't want to throw them away... and thier use on the track has been questioned for the last time.
Can't you sell them to Gixxa riders in Athens for us? They don't lean over anyway. :)
[image: View Post]WERA910, on Nov 15 2008, 08:36 AM, said:
[image: View Post]wera803, on Nov 14 2008, 03:20 AM, said:
Maybe PR2 front and rear would be a better match for me?? A change in front profile and longer life out back?
Thanks.
I haven't tried the PR2 front yet, but I'm at about 2k miles on the PR2 rear and it's holding up incredibly well! Probably the best rear street tire I've ever used.
I have a similar problem with the front of the Tuono... a new PP on the front gives a very predictable, stable feel that leads to a lot of confidence... slapping on a track tire gives me some fresh rubber up front... but the stability is not there, takes away some of the predictability an thus confidence...
I don't know if I'm gonna go with a PR2 front... since I still have a couple of PP front take offs laying about.... hard to justify buying another front tire just for street use. As much as I like the PR2 rear, the next two rears on the Tuono will be PP's because they're the tires I wasted at Jennings and Mid Ohio... Don't want to throw them away... and thier use on the track has been questioned for the last time.
Can't you sell them to Gixxa riders in Athens for us? They don't lean over anyway. :)
[image: View Post]wera803, on Nov 13 2008, 10:20 PM, said:
Is there anything on the bike you can change to take some of the quickness out of the PP turn in?? The first set I had were used on my track bike and I loved them on that thing. After 3 track days, I then put them on the VFR and it was kind of scary. Couldn't go in a straight line because the edges were just about worn out and the centers were almost new. Of course then I took the 5 mm shim out of the shock and it helped. I then slid the forks back down into the triple trees 5 mm and it was still better, but not that great. I wore those down pretty quick and put a brand new set of PP's on. Handling was better yet, but still not to the comfort level I had with the Pirelli's that were on it.
So, is there anything else I can do or is it just the profile of the tire and I'll have to get used to it or change tires??
I'm not sure about how many miles I will get out of these yet either. With the Pirelli Diablo's, I consistently got 3,500 out of the rear. Corsa III's I think I got about 2,800.
Maybe PR2 front and rear would be a better match for me?? A change in front profile and longer life out back?
Thanks.
I luv the ppower fronts, only with stock front supension did they have too quick turn in(beef it up) dont run low air pressures, I dont have any issue with slab instability issues with Ppower fronts
Great review! On another site, I read that one member got 13,000(+) miles out of the same model rear tire. I responded and asked what type of riding did he do. I have been riding since 1980 and the most mileage I ever got out of a rear was 6,300 miles and that was a Honda 400. Thanks, JD
[image: View Post]WERA910, on Nov 15 2008, 08:36 AM, said:
[image: View Post]wera803, on Nov 14 2008, 03:20 AM, said:
Maybe PR2 front and rear would be a better match for me?? A change in front profile and longer life out back?
Thanks.
I haven't tried the PR2 front yet, but I'm at about 2k miles on the PR2 rear and it's holding up incredibly well! Probably the best rear street tire I've ever used.
I have a similar problem with the front of the Tuono... a new PP on the front gives a very predictable, stable feel that leads to a lot of confidence... slapping on a track tire gives me some fresh rubber up front... but the stability is not there, takes away some of the predictability an thus confidence...
I don't know if I'm gonna go with a PR2 front... since I still have a couple of PP front take offs laying about.... hard to justify buying another front tire just for street use. As much as I like the PR2 rear, the next two rears on the Tuono will be PP's because they're the tires I wasted at Jennings and Mid Ohio... Don't want to throw them away... and thier use on the track has been questioned for the last time.
Can't you sell them to Gixxa riders in Athens for us? They don't lean over anyway. :)
Michael
xactly why i use pp/pr2 combo. my track bike use 120 front, but 160 rear, so i end up with used 120 pp's and just buy pr2 180 rear for the VFR....apparantly, i only ride straight on the track too, 'cause I really haven't noticed the issue with th side wear. the pp ALWAYS falls in fast to me.
anyway, while i like the diablo's better, the performance vs wear is not good enough to justify buying them over the PP/PR2.....so back to Michelin. :cool:
[image: View Post]WERA910, on Nov 15 2008, 08:36 AM, said:
I have a similar problem with the front of the Tuono... a new PP on the front gives a very predictable, stable feel that leads to a lot of confidence... slapping on a track tire gives me some fresh rubber up front... but the stability is not there, takes away some of the predictability an thus confidence...
Exactly my problem with the PP on the front for some reason. I really like the tire, but my confidence is shot with them on the street. On the track they perform great.
[image: View Post]WERA910, on Nov 15 2008, 08:36 AM, said:
Can't you sell them to Gixxa riders in Athens for us? They don't lean over anyway. :)
You have no idea how many fronts I've sold for $30 or $40 AFTER I'm done with them. :biggrin:
[image: View Post]JJbigbird, on Nov 15 2008, 02:04 PM, said:
[image: View Post]WERA910, on Nov 15 2008, 08:36 AM, said:
I don't know if I'm gonna go with a PR2 front... since I still have a couple of PP front take offs laying about.... hard to justify buying another front tire just for street use. As much as I like the PR2 rear, the next two rears on the Tuono will be PP's because they're the tires I wasted at Jennings and Mid Ohio... Don't want to throw them away... and thier use on the track has been questioned for the last time.
Michael
Someone has questioned the use of PP's??? :huh:
My problem with PP's is rear end traction on the track only... and track worn fronts on the street.
I'm a huge PP fan, and right now five of the six tires I have mounted on bikes are PP's... but I've really run out of rear traction on the track (this is JenningsGP running about 1:27's)... Two of the biggest slides of my life happened a couple of weeks ago on my gsxr600 at Jennings... one at about 90mph coming out of turn 6, and one at about 120 mph coming out of turn 2...
Oh, BTW, I really had no front end problems... I know where I can still pick up time by entering turns faster.... that's all rider dependent and areas that I need to improve upon.
[image: View Post]WERA910, on Nov 16 2008, 09:58 AM, said:
My problem with PP's is rear end traction on the track only... and track worn fronts on the street.
I'm a huge PP fan, and right now five of the six tires I have mounted on bikes are PP's... but I've really run out of rear traction on the track (this is JenningsGP running about 1:27's)... Two of the biggest slides of my life happened a couple of weeks ago on my gsxr600 at Jennings... one at about 90mph coming out of turn 6, and one at about 120 mph coming out of turn 2...
Weren't you running 2CT's as well?? Those should be better grip on the sides than a regular PP would have.
[image: View Post]wera803, on Nov 16 2008, 02:19 PM, said:
[image: View Post]WERA910, on Nov 16 2008, 09:58 AM, said:
My problem with PP's is rear end traction on the track only... and track worn fronts on the street.
I'm a huge PP fan, and right now five of the six tires I have mounted on bikes are PP's... but I've really run out of rear traction on the track (this is JenningsGP running about 1:27's)... Two of the biggest slides of my life happened a couple of weeks ago on my gsxr600 at Jennings... one at about 90mph coming out of turn 6, and one at about 120 mph coming out of turn 2...
Weren't you running 2CT's as well?? Those should be better grip on the sides than a regular PP would have.
In my experience the Power 2CTs overheat on the sides at the track and slide a lot more than the regular Powers.
I think about 1:26-27 is about the limit for what most people can do on Powers at Jennings, anything better needs DOTs.
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Nov 16 2008, 11:02 PM, said:
In my experience the Power 2CTs overheat on the sides at the track and slide a lot more than the regular Powers.
I think about 1:26-27 is about the limit for what most people can do on Powers at Jennings, anything better needs DOTs.
Thats a great piece of information Jeremy... I thought that myself, but I keep trying to convince myself that they must be better than the regular PP's... I had a similar problem at Mid Ohio running these tires... and again at Jennings last year. I guess it's just not gonna get any better.
So, I guess I'm back to Supercorsas... or PR3's... or Travis' Bridgestone race take offs... Anybody got a feel for the new D209's? I loved the D207gp's back'n-the-day, but they sure haven't got any fans lately.
Have tried the PP 2CTs, the Original PPs, the PR 2CTs and the Original PRs, both front and rear of all types, and lately have a PP 2CT front and PR 2CT rear and I agree whole heartedly with BR. The optimum combination is the latter. The original PR, you can blow that one out your a$$. Harder that Chinese algebra and just not worth the mileage as the last half of the tyre has you slip-sliding away... The PR rear is a top rate tyre, but with the miles I pack on, just doesn't make the crisis any easier...
The final proof has been this weekend: 700 km in one day and 2/3 of them spirited twisties... they didn't let me down, and we're talking 10 - 18 �C over the course of the day through some seriously challenging, twisted twisties which just beg you to flick her over and over, no remorse. Would've punished a PP rear. The deciding factor is that the PR 2CT produced not one slip or slide I didn't provoke on purpose, and that was accelerating WOT with the bike fairly upright, just for fun... I'll get almost double the mielage out of the rear and almost the same quality traction... just have to wait a smidgin more for her to heat up before taking the plunge (applicable in all areas of life!!).
I should add that on ocassion I throw on a set of Supercorsa Pro or Racetec take offs and naturally, for grip and flickability, there's no comparison, but they get chewed up faster than you can say Supercalafragilisticpsychomasochism. But that's the beauty of having two sets of rims... :fing02:
All in all, I'm chuffed with this combo, and it looks like the front and rear will wear out on par, will confirm a little further on, although my PP 2CT front has the disadvantage of having shared some time with a Supercorsa Pro rear... just to wear it down (I didn't check, but I boght it as a take off and it's a 190... fits on the 5th gen but rubbed on the swing arm just behind the rear shock on the 6th genner... it should now be worn down enough to spin freely on the VTECker... funny that, does the 6th gen have a shorter wheelbase?? Or just a differently set-up chassis??
Okay, here's my problem... I don't have a tire installer, so I have to go to a dealer and they flat out refuse to mount "different" tires front and rear. I want the "Holy Grail" set up of PP front PR2 rear, but they won't do it. Blame liability issues. So, here's my dilemma, I am heading out in a few days for a mostly slab 800 mile ride. Do I get the PP set-up for 270 installed or the PR2 for almost a hundred dollars more. There is no rhyme or reason for the extra hundred dollar expense because everywhere on line there is only about a 40 dollar difference. I have checked everywhere in town and this is the best price hands down. I'm thinking of getting the PP's and running the back down and then taking just the rear wheel in for a Road2 in a few thousand miles. I have about 3000 miles on my current pp back and close to 8000 on the front. What do you all think?
[image: View Post]Jovinski, on Nov 18 2008, 12:47 PM, said:
Okay, here's my problem... I don't have a tire installer, so I have to go to a dealer and they flat out refuse to mount "different" tires front and rear. I want the "Holy Grail" set up of PP front PR2 rear, but they won't do it. .....
You live in Florida, why do you need the holy grail of tire combos :laugh:
I have run the PP's and now run the PR II's. Unless you are pushing your bike to the absolute max, street or track, I think you will find the Pilot Road II's will do a fantastic job for you, front and rear.
[image: View Post]rad, on Nov 18 2008, 12:04 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Jovinski, on Nov 18 2008, 12:47 PM, said:
Okay, here's my problem... I don't have a tire installer, so I have to go to a dealer and they flat out refuse to mount "different" tires front and rear. I want the "Holy Grail" set up of PP front PR2 rear, but they won't do it. .....
You live in Florida, why do you need the holy grail of tire combos :laugh:
I have run the PP's and now run the PR II's. Unless you are pushing your bike to the absolute max, street or track, I think you will find the Pilot Road II's will do a fantastic job for you, front and rear.
Agreed, the Pilot Road 2's as a set are great and the front steers quicker than most OEM tires on the VFR.
The only reason I like/run the PP front is that I'm used to the quicker turn-in and love it after over 50,000 miles running PP fronts. I could pretty much go as fast on the PR 2's, just took a little time for me to adjust to the slower steering. :blush:
I do have few miles of twisties, but there is just about 200 miles of straight roads to get to them.... :dry:
So, is $370 installed for PR2's a good price? Are they worth 100 bucks more than the powers? I can't even find PP on-line for less than $270, not to mention installed, so will the Road's give me that much more mileage to make it worth the extra green? Like I said, as soon as they go on, I'll be hitting the highway to the tune of 1000 miles or so.... Hopefully I will find some twisties at the half-way mark.... :)
Thanks,
JB
[image: View Post]Jovinski, on Nov 18 2008, 02:56 PM, said:
Rad,
I do have few miles of twisties, but there is just about 200 miles of straight roads to get to them.... :dry:
So, is $370 installed for PR2's a good price? Are they worth 100 bucks more than the powers? I can't even find PP on-line for less than $270, not to mention installed, so will the Road's give me that much more mileage to make it worth the extra green? Like I said, as soon as they go on, I'll be hitting the highway to the tune of 1000 miles or so.... Hopefully I will find some twisties at the half-way mark.... :)
Thanks,
JB
Come up to Athens, GA and I'll put some PP take-offs (150 miles) on your bike for $245 installed. :biggrin:
If you want just the tires, I can get them for $175 a set.
[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Nov 18 2008, 10:08 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Jovinski, on Nov 18 2008, 01:56 PM, said:
So, is $370 installed for PR2's a good price? Are they worth 100 bucks more than the powers?
JB
Yes, IMO. I get close to 70% more miles from a PR2 than a PP and have no loss in grip. :cool:
They do steer a little slower than the PP's though.
The PR2s cost you more?? If anything they may cost less here... although where I purchase mine, they charge the same for a set of PR2s as for a set of PP2CTs: 320� fitted and balanced. Of course I get mine over the net for 250� a pair or the equivalent for a mixed bunch (PR2 rear PP2CT front). I then take them in to get fitted on the rims, OFF THE BIKE, at 5� a rim. If I'm lazy or don't have the time, I just ride in and they charge me 10� a rim. They couldn't give a damn if I want to mix and match, it's not their responsability if I order them to shoe a mixed set. I wouldn't be looking to litigate anyway, bad workmanship is another issue, I have one small chunk taken out of the rim from the last tyre change which I have yet to discuss with them...
For what it's worth. This is the first year that I will not have to put a new set of shoes on the bike before I can go for a ride. I am throughly impressed with the PP2's > I did put fewer miles on this year but enough that the tires should so some sort of wear.
Next set will be PP2's again, but at the rate I am going Michilin will have a new version out by then.
[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Nov 13 2008, 11:25 PM, said:
I hear you on the worn out Powers. If I do the trailer up to the good road thing, my Powers are worn into a V shape even more severe than they come from the factory, and straight line stability is well, nonexistant. I have not found any way to counter it other than to ride superslab, and I would rather deal with the weaving back and forth before riding highways.
Just move to Michigan! You won't have enough twisties to wear the outside's first!
Having read all of this thread I have at last got around to making a comment. This thread has been a fantastic lot of information and peoples experience and it has helped me at last make a final choice. At last I decided on and had fitted last Friday a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2's. Saturday of course was belting down with rain but regardless had to ride 150km in the late afternoon in order to attend a level 2 advanced cornering and baking course on Sunday. The dealer had buffed them a little and took the bike for a longish ride for me, to check on and give me his impressions of its handling, braking etc. As a result we have tweaked the rear settings a bit and on the ride home on Friday (20km mixed city/freeway commute) it already felt much better, and on Sunday I got a lot constructive advice, learning and track practice. I really enjoyed the new feeling of confidence and that the bike wouldn't go out from under me that I had with the old Dunlop D205's. My suspension settings for anyone interested are as follows: my weight about 95kg (210lb) fully kitted up. Rear preload 3 clicks off soft, rear rebound 1.75 turns off full hard, front spring preload 2 rings showing and have dropped the triple clamp down the forks 10mm. I'm always interested on others opinions about this stuff. I also plan to replace the fork oil sometime soon.
I've had my PR2's for about 4 months now, and LOVING them! Especially when they save lives!
Last weekend I was leaning right over at about 120 km/hr (75 mph) and accellerating on one of my favorate roads in otherwise great conditions, when suddenly there was like a 2 meter wide river running accross the road... :-o
There had been a little land-slide, that was directing a heap of the day-before's rain runoff from the maountain straight onto the black stuff.
Both wheels aquaplaned briefly, but after sliding only a meter of so off-line she gave a little wobble and whent right on as if nothing had happened (other than my heart beating significantly faster and the girl on the back holding on for dear life the next few clicks...)
Lesser tyres would have just declared: "I can be expected to hold that" and given up with dire consequenses!
I just love the smell of all this fresh new rubber! It is almost worth the price just to get 'em in the mail. I love the PP's on the CBRR, but I am grinding off the rears on the VFR. Maybe it is the acceleration or speed, but I don't see what about that is likely to change, so it is off to Pilot Road 2's this spring.
[image: View Post]i_needit, on Nov 28 2008, 06:17 AM, said:
Okay, Derby Cycles raised there price on PR2's $278.98, still a good price but is there any better place to prices????
Well, this all convinced me to give this combo a try. Derby Cycle price for the PP/PR2 set was $296.47 which included $30 for shipping. Cheapest price I found through the net, $80 less for the set than through CycleGear.
[image: View Post]JETS, on Dec 17 2008, 11:01 PM, said:
I just love the smell of all this fresh new rubber! It is almost worth the price just to get 'em in the mail. I love the PP's on the CBRR, but I am grinding off the rears on the VFR. Maybe it is the acceleration or speed, but I don't see what about that is likely to change, so it is off to Pilot Road 2's this spring.
Trust me, you will like it. No grip loss and a decent improvement in wear. The only negative (if your coming off PP's) is a slightly slower turn-in from the rear.
I probably have run through at least 10 sets of PP's (love them)before the switch to PP/PR2 set-up. I avg. around 2200 miles from a P Power rear and now I get over 3000 miles from the rear PR2(that's around a 40% increase) and I just replace them as a set now instead of 1.5 rears to a front. :cool:
I picked up my '98 recently and the PO had just put on PilotPower2CT's. Anybody familiar with them as compared to the PP's or PR2's? I don't have anything to compare them to on this bike, but so far I find them very grippy and confident tires. Based on Michelin's charts comparing their tires, it seems I can expect to get less mileage out of them than even the PP's.
[image: View Post]Hootch, on Mar 14 2009, 06:08 PM, said:
I picked up my '98 recently and the PO had just put on PilotPower2CT's. Anybody familiar with them as compared to the PP's or PR2's? I don't have anything to compare them to on this bike, but so far I find them very grippy and confident tires. Based on Michelin's charts comparing their tires, it seems I can expect to get less mileage out of them than even the PP's.
Howdy, the PP 2ct is a fine tire but IMO is a total waste of money for street riding of any kind over just the standard Pilot Power. 90% of VFR riders will never see the limits of a good ST tire let alone a standard Pilot Power and the extra premium of 2ct's is totally necessary IMO.
Enjoy this set and next tire just run standard Pilot Powers or Pilot Road 2's. :fing02:
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