Best tires for the VFR??? Updated 2011

So which one is it? the tire which will get above average in the followings...

- wear (mileage)

- grip (wet & dry)

- price

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As this poll and tire model was getting dated I did some updating and zeroed out the counts to start fresh for 2011.

BR

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Never been a big fan of Dunlop Sport tires for my type of riding. I used 6-8 sets of 207's which were a great/cheap dry grip tire, but they Sucked Big time in wet conditions which I'm always getting caught in. I now enjoy wet riding cond. after finding tires that will allow amazing lean angles and good speed in rain/wet conditions.

I pretty much only use Sport rated not Sport Touring type tires because I feel a Big difference in grip between the two in my riding style. Once I found that different tires could offer much better wet grip I will never go back to a tire that can't provide excellent Wet & Dry grip unless it's just a track day tire.

My experience and most tire test show Dunlops at the bottom of wet grip, so that will keep me from trying them again.

The best tire I've ever used are the standard Diablo's with exceptional wet & dry grip (road use) , they provided me the highest confidence level I've ever experienced in any condition period ! The Pilot Power are a close second, providing aprox. 95% on the confidence level, great turn in and they maintain profile on the front better than any other tire I've used. They are off a little in wet grip, offering very good grip just off the Diablo slightly. The main reason I'm running Power's is that they last aprox. 10-20% longer than the Diablo's.

Ride On Viffer's.

PS both the Diablo and Power will grip great right down to the cords!

This is a Power with aprox. 2250 miles on it.

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I loved my BT020s stuck under every condition and situation I put them in. I would say that I am an aggressive rider within the 8.0-8.5 range. I do alot of slabbing as well. Great mileage for the type of riding before I got rid of them, around 6500. Still had about 25% tread life but they had been on the bike for a few years sitting so I decided to get ride of them. I repalced them with the newer BT021 and loved these as well. Baker City ride went very well with very predictable results. New tires at the time and I really put the to the test there. After a trip to Leguna Seca and back with no issues at all with around 2500 on them, I hit a nail. Purchased a new set of BT020s and another set of the BT021s. I am now also looking for a more aggressive performing tire for track and street. The Diablo Rosso was recommended. What do you think?

P.S. Wondering why there is not an option for the BT021s?

I replaced a worn out Pirelli Diablo with a BT020 last spring. While I'm quite happy with how it sticks, I find it to be very noisy in any degree of turn. That said, I want to replace it since I picked up a screw during one of my rides late last summer. I'm leaning toward either the Metzeler or Michelin. That Rennsport looks interesting tho.

Wow, this thread has been going on for over 3 1/2 years? Phenomenal! This started before B-stone even introduced (2008) the multi-compound BT-016's which I'm currently running. And, I must say, after a little over 1000 miles I'm liking everything about them so far. Way more dry grip than most people can even use on the street, sure-footed in the rain, and rides like a touring tire. The ultimate question being, "How long will they last?" We'll see, I'll report back when the end is near.

I'm sure some of you have probably gone through a set or more of these by now and have a handle on this. The 016's would make a very good track tire, IMHO, for you casual track day types. I'd volunteer to test, but track days are a little outside my budget at the moment. sad.gif But, the tires themselves? :fing02: :fing02:

Now, how 'bout an oil thread...anyone?...KIDDING!

VFR 01Well after reading all these reply's I decided to go for the Pilot Powers on both front and back. Seems like the Pilot Roads are longer lasting more durable but I'd rather take the increased performance and shorter life span from the Powers. They say the Dry grip is better from the Powers. I just ordered them so I can not yet vote if they are good or not but it seems that cant be bad as i have read a billion reply's that people love them. Also to note...from another site someone in a review about the powers said the front is triangular in shape which helps the bike fall into turns. Thats Plus for me since I love to scrape on corners.

The shitz combo is the PP front and the PR2 rear! :fing02:

Baileyrock

VFR 01Well after reading all these reply's I decided to go for the Pilot Powers on both front and back. Seems like the Pilot Roads are longer lasting more durable but I'd rather take the increased performance and shorter life span from the Powers. They say the Dry grip is better from the Powers. I just ordered them so I can not yet vote if they are good or not but it seems that cant be bad as i have read a billion reply's that people love them. Also to note...from another site someone in a review about the powers said the front is triangular in shape which helps the bike fall into turns. Thats Plus for me since I love to scrape on corners.

The shitz combo is the PP front and the PR2 rear! :fing02:

BR, how many sets of these have you run? I know your first set was during Tmac last year. I'm running the same setup and likely to stick with it, but damn I miss the profile of a PP on the rear.

gradusThe shitz combo is the PP front and the PR2 rear! :cool:

BR, how many sets of these have you run? I know your first set was during Tmac last year. I'm running the same setup and likely to stick with it, but damn I miss the profile of a PP on the rear.

I think I'm on the 3rd set now and yes you can feel the slower response of the PR2 rear vs PP's F & R, but it's a decent compromise that is more than antiquate for street rippen IMO. Plus I get at least 50% longer life from the PR2 rear w/o any loss in grip. :fing02:

Hell with the tight times I may have to raise the rear 20mm and drop the front 10mm more and run PR2's front & rear! :fing02:

I love my Z6's. I'm on my 3rd set and have gotten no less than 6000 miles per.

I just hit 9,000 miles on a set of Pirelli Diablo Strada's on my 6th gen VFR. From evidence shared by others, I am light on the throttle and long on the slab. Wonder how long the set of PR2's will last me, and no I'm not running a PP front / PR2 mix. The Strada's have held up really well, so much better than the D220 Front / D204 Rear mix I had on before (ruined the stock D204 front with less than 100 miles on the bike, don't ask), I just wanted to try something new.

vfrrider17Wow, who dug this thread up again. Isn't it from 05?

Best tire....

no else

PIRELLI DIABLO CORSA III.

jfviffer

vfrrider17Wow, who dug this thread up again. Isn't it from 05?

Best tire....

no else

PIRELLI DIABLO CORSA III.

I'm not so sure great grip but after only 2500 miles I'm down to wear bars on rear!!! front still have 50% left i just had corsa III installed in DEC and looking for a new tire already. thinking of going back to conti rd attack got 4000 miles out of them almost as grippy. what kinda mileage are you guys getting on a rear pr2 ?

pr2 on the back just died...3700 miles which is AMAZING!! PP was getting 2200 and like everyone said, it sticks VERY well.

i have been running diablo front w/ pr2 rear and pp front with pr2....both work quite well for street finding.

ONLY ONE MENTION OF THE BT 021! I'm shocked.

I loved me Z6s. Two or three years ago it seemed I was one of very few on VFRD that ran them. Now I've been turned on to the BT 021 :491: but only the rear! WARNING-BT021 Front is total crap +1.gif

Get a PP2 for the front instead, but keep the BT 021 rear. this is very similar to what BR is running only slightly cheaper and somewhat fashion faux pas to have a different manufacturer on each end. They are both dual compound tires and the set up is great.

Z6s are a great tire for the money but if you can afford just a little more I highly recommend this setup for anyone that has to do some slab with their twisties.

Or the BR set up with the PP2 front and PR2 on the rear. I was just able to get a good deal on the BT021 rear and I was already in love with it.

The point is dual compound is the way to go. Someone said that Z6s are dual compound... I'm not too sure about that. at least they weren't two years ago.

achflyOr the BR set up with the PP2 front and PR2 on the rear. I was just able to get a good deal on the BT021 rear and I was already in love with it.

Just to make a small correction here, I run the standard Pilot Power front w/the Road 2 rear, not the PP 2ct. :goofy:

Plan to try some other tires like the RoadSmart and 021 sometime soon. :goofy:

Know this is an old thread but thought I'd add my two cents as some people are talking about Road Smarts.

Took delivery of my '08 at the end of Sept last year (it had never been owned and sat on its' OE tires for two years). The tires were like rocks and would slide (both ends) at the slightest pushing. Wanted new buns but wasn't going to spend for the sake of it. Got back to work one day in early June to a flat rear tire (nail). Made the repair and ordered some Road Smarts as I have several long trips planned this summer so didn't want to just square off some Q2's (yes, I'm a Dunlop guy).

Installed the Road Smarts when they came in and was very impressed. Chicken strips were gone within two weeks and wet grip is fantastic. I only hope that they wear as advertised but feel is very good. Predictable and, like other Dunlops, they let you know when being pushed. For the road, they seem great so far. For the track, I'll stick with 208's.

Hope this helps someone.

Have asked some questions about tyre (tire) choice on a new thread, as I really hate the BT 020 I have on the front..

Am sticking with Bridgestone for now (a new BT 011 to go with the BT 021 on the back) but really favour Avons on all my previous bikes.

Have ridden on Viper Sports on track, have Roadriders (brilliant) on my XJ650 and have a MKII Roadrunner on my Bonnie which was fitted in 1988 and (though a little square) still has plenty of grip and shows no cracking or perishing!

Have considered the Conti Road Attack but I think it'll be Avons for me next, unless persuaded otherwise.

Nige

[image: View Post]JonnyBoy, on 18 July 2005 - 03:09 PM, said:

^What he said. Best/fastest/twistiest riding I ever did on 2001 VFR was on Road 2s - DH #1 and more. *And best mileage, too. I now use them on CBR.

(Disclaimer: I am not now nor ever have been an extraordinary rider. I have chicken strips and always wear out the middle before the sides, but got down to 1/8" chicken strips on R2s.)

Bridgestone BT 023. Best tire I've had (5th gen).

I put down Metzeler Z6's but I'm currently running a combo of M5 fronts, and M3 Rear. They are pretty sticky and they aren't going to last more the 3-4K. The grip is great. I've worn the tread right to the edge of the tires. Very confident in grip all the way leaned over. Zero chicken strips.

Just my .2

Jim

I've got Pilot Powers. Two seven hundred mile trips of Superslab riding has created an unfortunate flat spot on the rear, but the front is okay. I will try the Road2 on the back. I don't do much riding in the rain so I don't think I need the Pilot Power Road 3s.

Also, I know some of you use a Pilot Power up front and a Pilot Road on the back. I spoke to a Michelin Rep who didn't see the need to have the Power up front; he thought I ought to get the road 2 set. Maybe he was just trying to sell me something.

VFR 01

Well after reading all these reply's I decided to go for the Pilot Powers on both front and back. Seems like the Pilot Roads are longer lasting more durable but I'd rather take the increased performance and shorter life span from the Powers. They say the Dry grip is better from the Powers. I just ordered them so I can not yet vote if they are good or not but it seems that cant be bad as i have read a billion reply's that people love them. Also to note...from another site someone in a review about the powers said the front is triangular in shape which helps the bike fall into turns. Thats Plus for me since I love to scrape on corners.

In The wet is much stronger on the power too, but I really dont care for the rear ppower for a street tire, the road 2 rear is more supportive of the weight IMO. Especially once the tire is past half life, quality of feel degrades too much. I was really dissapointed with Power rear on the back, espcially, being a 2000 mile tire in addition.

The Power front and road two rear is my longevity package to keep costs down, My favorite is the power front with BT21 rear, Its such a Quick turn in package , I have a blast every time I run it. IMO, the BT21 rear, is a better option than Ppower rear for the street.

spud786

VFR 01

Well after reading all these reply's I decided to go for the Pilot Powers on both front and back. Seems like the Pilot Roads are longer lasting more durable but I'd rather take the increased performance and shorter life span from the Powers. They say the Dry grip is better from the Powers. I just ordered them so I can not yet vote if they are good or not but it seems that cant be bad as i have read a billion reply's that people love them. Also to note...from another site someone in a review about the powers said the front is triangular in shape which helps the bike fall into turns. Thats Plus for me since I love to scrape on corners.

In The wet is much stronger on the power too, but I really dont care for the rear ppower for a street tire, the road 2 rear is more supportive of the weight IMO. Especially once the tire is past half life, quality of feel degrades too much. I was really dissapointed with Power rear on the back, espcially, being a 2000 mile tire in addition.

The Power front and road two rear is my longevity package to keep costs down, My favorite is the power front with BT21 rear, Its such a Quick turn in package , I have a blast every time I run it. IMO, the BT21 rear, is a better option than Ppower rear for the street.

I've run a Pilot Road 2 on the rear, and did a cost vs. mile comparison. The difference was about $5. I also found that the Power didn't flat spot as bad as the Road 2 due to it being more elliptical to begin with i.e. by the time it's worn out the profile is similar to a Road 2.

Haven't noticed any "softness" in the carcass. When it does step out it comes back without drama.

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[image: View Post]VFR 01', on 27 March 2006 - 04:37 PM, said:

Seriously?

A PR2 rear is almost twice the price of a PP rear, and doesn't last anywhere near 2X IME. I run 'em at 40 psi on the street 30 on the track. They don't "flat spot" they just end up more round than elliptical. I run 'em on 2 5th gens with similar results despite different riders.

Guess we are using more throttle, and lean angle than you? :smile:

MBrane

Seriously?

A PR2 rear is almost twice the price of a PP rear, and doesn't last anywhere near 2X IME. I run 'em at 40 psi on the street 30 on the track. They don't "flat spot" they just end up more round than elliptical. I run 'em on 2 5th gens with similar results despite different riders.

Guess we are using more throttle, and lean angle than you? :smile:

30psi on vfr there ya go thats why unusual, I just bought a proad 2 rear $139, Ppower rear was $120, thats $19 difference. Not double, whats the best deal you can find.

[image: View Post]MBrane, on 05 October 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

[image: View Post]spud786, on 05 October 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

[image: View Post]MBrane, on 05 October 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

MBrane

Seriously?

A PR2 rear is almost twice the price of a PP rear, and doesn't last anywhere near 2X IME.

I don't get this info whatsoever! I paid $125 for my last rear PR2(2 weeks ago) where I think I could have got a PP rear for $115 (180's), that's Only a $10 difference by my calculator! :rolleyes:

Wear wise I avg. 2200 miles on a PP rear and no less than 3500 from a PR2 rear under the same roads and conditions. That's a Min. of a 60% increase in life for $10 and with no Grip or confidence level drop. :tour:

After burning thur over 35 sets of tires on this VFR alone it's a No Brain-er for me to run the PR2 rear w/PP front. :smile:

BR

Got 5,500 miles off of a Diablo rear. Replaced with Roadsmart dual compound. Doesn't feel much diff. We will see how they wear. $148 at cycle gear.

Where I live and ride in WV the Pilot Road handeled and wore evenly. Year before last I tried the Pilot Road 2 and the sides wore out before the middle. Around here the roads have more turns than straights. I don't want a multi compound tire.

What tire do I get now that they are no longer making Pilot Road?

I like the Dunlop Roadsmarts on my '07 ...

ACE

Love Qualifiers for play days. (sorry folks, Dunlop guy)

Tried Roadsmarts this year and impressed as hell. Led a group of sport guys the day after I installed them in intermittent rain and no one was even close. GSX-R's, 999, R6, the wet bite was fantastic. Now at 15000 kms on them and barely starting to square off. Lasting very well and side grip is very impressive-no chicken strips!

Baileyrock

I paid $125 for my last rear PR2(2 weeks ago)

That's pretty cheap for a PR2 rear! Gotta link? At those prices I might go back.....

I am using Metzetler X4 for the rear (Sport-touring tire), and found that it is okay for the normal straight road, but not good for the twisty road. It makes the bikes difficult to bend down and sometimies i feel the bike "shaking" coz of the tire profile.

Gotta change to street type soon.

Personally, I have Pirelli Angels, but they were not listed. The grip is awesome! Great in wet or dry, and a wider surface of tire is in contact with the road. Making the twisties a dream .

Knobber

I'm still running the stock BT020. I have almost 8k on the bike and the tread looks fine but they are starting to square off. I was thinking about going to Michelins but Bike magazine (Brit pub, probably the best magazine out there!) thinks the new BT023 sets the standard so I might go with them.

I rode the bt23 GT, and I'll never get a BT 23 again, too slick on the sides , fine on straightline or big sweepers. If all one does is ride interstates and Highways, should be fine. But in the tight stuff with slick road, the 23 shows its weakness on the sides. Luckily I didnt have to ride in any real inclement cold rainy weather, it was during the summer.

The bt 21 rear, which I like, stands head a shoulders over a BT23 traction wise and cut in wise. But Bridstone was after a life increase, that did happen, but the tire is not as good performance wise from my experience, not even close.

NOw somebody wanted a BT23gt, cause they do 2 up alot, that situation, would probably work well, cause its a Pure tractor tire, stout son on B, worse tire I ever had to mount!

I believed the Pilot Road 2 was the best tire I have ever used. Now, I can say the Pilot Road 3 is the best tire I have used (sport-touring wise). Awesome in the rain, glue in the dry, and glue around the twisties (NC not FL...LOL). PR3 two thumbs up, way up!

Jon28

I believed the Pilot Road 2 was the best tire I have ever used. Now, I can say the Pilot Road 3 is the best tire I have used (sport-touring wise). Awesome in the rain, glue in the dry, and glue around the twisties (NC not FL...LOL). PR3 two thumbs up, way up!

One of my long time riding buddies is running the PR3 on his K1300 and he doesn't like them as much as the 2 when pushing them. :ph34r:

Baileyrock

Jon28

I believed the Pilot Road 2 was the best tire I have ever used. Now, I can say the Pilot Road 3 is the best tire I have used (sport-touring wise). Awesome in the rain, glue in the dry, and glue around the twisties (NC not FL...LOL). PR3 two thumbs up, way up!

One of my long time riding buddies is running the PR3 on his K1300 and he doesn't like them as much as the 2 when pushing them. :ph34r:

BR, do you gather its a front tire thing or the rear?

spud786

Baileyrock

Jon28

I believed the Pilot Road 2 was the best tire I have ever used. Now, I can say the Pilot Road 3 is the best tire I have used (sport-touring wise). Awesome in the rain, glue in the dry, and glue around the twisties (NC not FL...LOL). PR3 two thumbs up, way up!

One of my long time riding buddies is running the PR3 on his K1300 and he doesn't like them as much as the 2 when pushing them. :ph34r:

BR, do you gather its a front tire thing or the rear?

He was talking about the feel of the rear when pitching it hard into a turn.

Well its the rear Id be after, course that 1300 bike is much heavier and longer, dont know how that factors in. I bought the last proad2 a couple weeks ago Locally, they may become scarce, the road 3 was about 10 or $15 more. Ive still have that tire on hand ready for mount, just squeaking the last few miles.

But next time, I maybe ply Guinea, and maybe not >G Thanks for da Info!

For me, best tire is Pilot Road 2. I run 15,000 miles with them.

Secathor

For me, best tire is Pilot Road 2. I run 15,000 miles with them.

Going off memory, and I could be wrong)only seen them once and werent on my list to BUY, the road 3 rear has a more triangular or more narrow profile than the road2, If my memory is correct, it may remove the slower turn in of the road 2 rear, but its just Babble unless I run one to test.

But maybe , my memory remarks here, catches a thought, with someone whos ran both?

Does anyone have a recommendation as to what tires to use on a 2003 VFR? I've run the original tires (Dunlop Sportmax II) through 7800 miles and they now need replacing. I ride mostly touring and commute. I am considering the Mitchelin Pilot Power. Has anyone had any experience with them and how much miles would you expect them to last? Thanks in advance.

Pirelli Angels for me!!! Great grip wet or dry

I have new roadsmarts on mine. They have 1k+ miles so far with no sign of wear. I know that doesn't help much, but I can keep this thread updated with info. I'm about to put another 1k on the bike this week.

The magazine review I saw on them said they put 15k km on them and they were still going.

This site has tons of reviews posted.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/28/396/13124/PRODUCT-REVIEW/Dunlop-Roadsmart-Sport-Touring-Rear-Tire.aspx

'njoy,

awk

03Cloud

Does anyone have a recommendation as to what tires to use on a 2003 VFR? I've run the original tires (Dunlop Sportmax II) through 7800 miles and they now need replacing. I ride mostly touring and commute. I am considering the Mitchelin Pilot Power. Has anyone had any experience with them and how much miles would you expect them to last? Thanks in advance.

Commuting and touring, Ppower not the best choice, atleast on the rear. Id cross that one off.

The rear road 2 cant be beat for Life + performance, Michelin is dominant in this regard.

The front, a road 2 or My preferable original Ppower on the front.

I just replaced a MPR2CT after 16000+ km, with a new one, same type & brand on a 02 VFR.

Tyre is used mostly for touring and occasionaly long trips for work which are mostly straight Highways (300+km)

I have just finished using up my second pair of Dunlop RoadSmarts dual compound tires. Each set lasted 13,000 + miles. I am consider myself a moderately aggressive rider and do a lot of long distance riding. They have met all my needs and have never let me down. They do take a while to warn up (I live in Minnesota and do a lot of cold weather and rain riding. I have an '01 and typically get 50+ mpg.

I do love them. However I am very interested in the Michelin Pilot Road 3 for it's particularly wet traction. They will probably be my next replacement tire. Anyone have long-term experience with them?

I hear they go well with the best motorcycle oil. :beatdeadhorse: :rolleyes:

13k miles? That is something. I get far less than that from my sport touring bikes/tire combos. I'm not getting anywhere near 50MPG on my '99 either. One of us is doing something wrong. lol

Once these Michelins that came on the bike wear out, I'm likely to go with Q2 or RoadSmarts.

Best motorcycle oil, 'eh? Thems is fightin' words! lol

You guys and your mileage crack me up. Come to Florida....nothing lasts down here. The PR2 did but still nothing compared to 13k mile stories...LOL Too much speed and heat in the railing state for us. BR>I ran the PR3 all the way when I replaced the PR2 @ TMAC---no difference noticed from me.....HUGE difference in the rain though. I was cruising 80mph through rain the other day and didn't realize how smooth the ride was until I saw the speedo....LOL.

I agree. I get 3500 to maybe 5000 out of a sport touring tire. 13000 seems unachievable.

the originals with the DCT were Dunlop. Lasted 8500 km. We will see Metzeler, now with 1000 km. But the best is always present!

1997vfr750

Pirelli Angels for me!!! Great grip wet or dry

+1

:fing02:

OK, I updated a few of the tire models and zeroed out the poll numbers to get a fresh start in 2011.

PM me or post here about tires that you think should be added or deleted from the poll.

I also deleted most post older than early 2009 to keep the thread more current!

BR

PS let me know of any tire you wish added to the poll.

Baileyrock

spud786

Baileyrock

Jon28

I believed the Pilot Road 2 was the best tire I have ever used. Now, I can say the Pilot Road 3 is the best tire I have used (sport-touring wise). Awesome in the rain, glue in the dry, and glue around the twisties (NC not FL...LOL). PR3 two thumbs up, way up!

One of my long time riding buddies is running the PR3 on his K1300 and he doesn't like them as much as the 2 when pushing them. :ph34r:

BR, do you gather its a front tire thing or the rear?

He was talking about the feel of the rear when pitching it hard into a turn.

BR, any chance your friend was/is running the BMW version of the PR3 rear? I'm not sure Michelin offers this for the PR3, but they did offer a PR2 with stiffer sidewall that was really meant for heavier bikes, but in some cases marketed as a BMW-specific tire.

SEBSPEED

BR, any chance your friend was/is running the BMW version of the PR3 rear? I'm not sure Michelin offers this for the PR3, but they did offer a PR2 with stiffer sidewall that was really meant for heavier bikes, but in some cases marketed as a BMW-specific tire.

The PR3 is available in the "B" rating just like the PR2.

**Note: The size denoted by "B" is designed for loaded touring or two-up riding

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Baileyrock

spud786

Baileyrock

Jon28

I believed the Pilot Road 2 was the best tire I have ever used. Now, I can say the Pilot Road 3 is the best tire I have used (sport-touring wise). Awesome in the rain, glue in the dry, and glue around the twisties (NC not FL...LOL). PR3 two thumbs up, way up!

One of my long time riding buddies is running the PR3 on his K1300 and he doesn't like them as much as the 2 when pushing them. :ph34r:

BR, do you gather its a front tire thing or the rear?

He was talking about the feel of the rear when pitching it hard into a turn.

BR, any chance your friend was/is running the BMW version of the PR3 rear? I'm not sure Michelin offers this for the PR3, but they did offer a PR2 with stiffer sidewall that was really meant for heavier bikes, but in some cases marketed as a BMW-specific tire.

Will ask at some point!

bmart

13k miles? That is something. I get far less than that from my sport touring bikes/tire combos. I'm not getting anywhere near 50MPG on my '99 either. One of us is doing something wrong. lol

Once these Michelins that came on the bike wear out, I'm likely to go with Q2 or RoadSmarts.

Best motorcycle oil, 'eh? Thems is fightin' words! lol

After buying a second 5th gen (Lobsters '00) with PP2CT's I've come to the conclusion that thePP2CTs on the '00 handle significantly better than the RoadSmarts. The PP2CTs practically turn themselves. Much less effort. I am voting for the PP2CTs now instead of the Roadies.

I do have some insight into my high mileage numbers. First, I am 5'8" and 145 pounds. I present a lower frontal area being a small person. Weight also is a factor. Second, I have an aftermarket Givi windscreen that is 2" taller than stock. At first I thought it would decrease mileage, but I found the opposite. And, this is a big one, I spend a good portion the time at speed tucked behind the windscreen. When I go from upright sitting position to a tucked position, speed increases by at least 5 mph. I figure this represents a significant reduction in drag. I can cut back the throttle and maintain the same speed; this must result in increased mileage. And my neck muscles are now a big as a TV wrestler's. :pinocchio: Seriously, to does require some conditioning in the spring (read: sore neck).

Just my 2 cents worth.

not sure if this a deal or not

Michelin Rear Pilot Road 2 180/55ZR-17

Michelin Front Pilot Power 2CT 120/70ZR-17

$248.98 Dennis Kirk

250ninjarider

not sure if this a deal or not

Michelin Rear Pilot Road 2 180/55ZR-17

Michelin Front Pilot Power 2CT 120/70ZR-17

$248.98 Dennis Kirk

That's a pretty good price! I would switch the front from the PP 2ct to the standard PP and save more w/o losing any grip for the street and the PP/PR2 set will wear out at about the same rate! :smile:

Baileyrock

OK, I updated a few of the tire models and zeroed out the poll numbers to get a fresh start in 2011.

PM me or post here about tires that you think should be added or deleted from the poll.

I also deleted most post older than early 2009 to keep the thread more current!

BR

PS let me know of any tire you wish added to the poll.

It might be splitting hairs, but the PP/PR2 (or 3) combo FTW...maybe put it as its own line on the poll? Otherwise if I vote for both separately it skews the results.

Brian

DDO-VFR

Baileyrock

OK, I updated a few of the tire models and zeroed out the poll numbers to get a fresh start in 2011.

PM me or post here about tires that you think should be added or deleted from the poll.

I also deleted most post older than early 2009 to keep the thread more current!

BR

PS let me know of any tire you wish added to the poll.

It might be splitting hairs, but the PP/PR2 (or 3) combo FTW...maybe put it as its own line on the poll? Otherwise if I vote for both separately it skews the results.

Brian

For some reason I can't figure out how to add anything else! :sad: I can only edit what's already there! :ph34r:

Baileyrock

250ninjarider not sure if this a deal or not Michelin Rear Pilot Road 2 180/55ZR-17 Michelin Front Pilot Power 2CT 120/70ZR-17 $248.98 Dennis Kirk

That's a pretty good price! I would switch the front from the PP 2ct to the standard PP and save more w/o losing any grip for the street and the PP/PR2 set will wear out at about the same rate! :smile:

thanks for the info

i got the pp/pr2 set for $237.98

Good price on those, mind me asking where you picked them up from?

NakedViffer

Good price on those, mind me asking where you picked them up from?

Think it was "Dennis Kirk" he was shopping at!

Best tires for the VFR? Depends on the season:

http://youtu.be/W0xbtU8-mg4

:goofy:

Depends on the season and the roads you're going. In the image is a Pirelli Corsa RS

definitely bridgestone battlax bt45.

I like Dunlops and was keen on trying the Qualifier 2, but I called the bike shop where I get my bike stuff from the other day (realising the middle of the rear tyre was almost gone) and asked what they had in stock in a 170 rear. They probably won't get any more stock in until after Xmas, and the tyre they had in the size was a Pilot Road 3, so that's just gone on the rear.

I'll see how it goes. I put a PR2 on the back of the Street Triple a couple of years back, and handling and durability were good, but on a light bike at least, I didn't think the edge grip was any better then the OEM Qualifier, and the feel not as good.

Most likely the progress made from the PR2 to the 3 comes into play, and the VFR is heavier than the little 675. I suspect that the PR3 would last better than the Q2, and all these tyres are on a different planet to the non-radial 130 rears some of us were raised on, riding big Japan Inc fours back in the early Eighties.

The rear that just came off was a tired BT 014 with most of the side tread still left, probably from the commuting done by the previous owner. Compared to the 014 at the standard 42ish psi (I haven't checked the new one's pressure yet), the ride quality of the fresh PR3 is immediately and quite noticably sweeter - almost as though a better quality rear shock had just been fitted. I guess that if it's a lighter tyre as claimed, then the rear end losing some unsprung weight could well be helping the suspension compliance.

That might not be completely fair, given the unknown age of the old Bridgestone and the flattenedness (the bike was still steering nicely), but the maker's claims and some of the testimonials here and elsewhere line up with what I've noticed right away in the first few km. The steering's obviously better, thanks to the new profile not having a flat spot in the middle, not to mention the fact that the rear ride height has likely gained a few mm with the new tread.

So far, so good. The new tyre feel, and especially for the first time on this bike that came to me with a tired set, is one of life's great pleasures for me. Knowing there's plenty of miles/km ahead (depending on where the tyre was made), to be ridden on a new tyre that's a generation (or maybe two) ahead of the last one, along with the clear improvement to the whole ride, is always a treat.

The front Bridgestone BT 054 is on the way down, but is evenly worn, so that can stay on for while longer since it seems to be behaving well enough. Like the rear, I don't know how old (and possibly hardened/tired in the carcass) it is, but grip and handling seem workmanlike. I don't think it's a top shelf model, and I definitely want something very grippy on the front when I change it. That said, I've touched a foot down here and there around town without meaning to test the grip, so it's decent for sure. The trouble is, I don't really want to explore closer to where the limit might be until I get a new front as well, so that I can be dealing with higher spec, newer compound/construction and a more known quantity. I also don't really know the 054's form in the wet either, so I'll hold off a bit (or try to, with the new rear PR3 urging me on, my ever-growing familiarity with the 4th Gen, and my steadily returning bike Mojo after two years bikeless) until a top notch new front goes on. I love fanging in the rain, so long as I'm not freezing cold.

Best tire/tyre for the VFR? Who knows, but it's surely hard to go wrong with any of the higher performance recent tyres from the usual suspects, so long as the model matches the usage/bike/rider triangle, so I'm just going to enjoy the new PR3 anyway. While I'd still prefer the Q2 for pushing the limits in the twisties (but having not yet tried newer than the the OEM Triumph Qualifier), my plans to do more travel rides on the VFR probably means enough necessary straight roads in the mix to make the PR3 an ideal choice.

In the meantime, I'll have to decide on what will go on the front next...

I am wondering if some one could name me the brand of vfr800 saddle .

I have had no problems with Avon Storms excellent dry and wet grip long lasting reassuring for my money the best Sports Touring tyre around.

I've only had PR2's on my VFR since I've had it 18 months or so. However, I just picked up a PP2CT front with only 400 miles on it for $65 off Craigslist. So I'm gonna try that PR2 Rear/PP front combo.

On my old FZ1 I had been through Maxxis (on it when purchased), Metzler M1 and M3's, Pirelli Diablo Stradas, Michelin Pilot Powers. Also had Bridgestone BT014's on my old FZR600. Of all the tires I'd say I like the Michelin's the best, then Pirelli.

Previous tyres on my 5th Gen were Pilot Road 2s, currently it's wearing a set of Pirelli Angel STs. No complaints with either set.

I bought the bike about 900 miles ago and kept the used PRs set with 2008 date codes. They were down to 2.5mm of tread then. The previous owner just putted around. Once I started riding it at any speed with the dreadfully soft stock front end, odd tire wear ensued. I will surely need tires in 2011, likely before summer.

There seem to be plenty of options. My short list is:

Dunlop: Q2, Roadsmart, Roadsmart II,

Michelin: PR2, PR3

Bridgestone BT-023

I'm a diehard Dunlop fan but am open to trying others. The PR2s on the VFR now work fine, but others can be had cheaper, and will probably work and wear about the same.

This bike will see some track time, now that the suspension is done. I have the option of leaving the street sport touring tires on, or spooning on a set of /track/race tires.

I enjoy reading about everyone's experiences and opinions on tires, suspension, etc!

This Poll needs to be reset and the Pilot Road 3 and other new tires added to the list. I've heard great things about the PR3, so that's what I'm probably ordering. Any suggestions as to where the best deal is?

Who has used the Angel ST on their VFR, fully loaded ( 2 bags / 3 bags tent and sink ) for long distance rides - all weather riding. Good mileage with all of your gear on the bike ?, great wet grip?.

I have been offered a set and I am thinking about trying them out but want a little feedback if any is avail.

Reminder, I live in Alberta where a drive to Calgary is a 3 hour trip..... almost in a straight line. 6 hours away from the "spirited" roads so draggin my knee does not happen unless I leave the Safeway parking lot really fast.

i like the round ones

I just put Michelin Pilot Road 3 tires on and they are great. Too bad they aren't a choice on the tire survey...

I don't see them mentioned but I'm really impressed with the Metzeler M5 on the VFR outstanding grip, great wet weather performance & I get better wear & grip from them than Pilot Powers & here in Australia there cheaper than Michelin. They have a sports bike profile so turn in & response is the big plus for me & they tend to warm up just as fast as the Michelin's. My standard set up before was Pilot powers front & back & if I felt I wanted better mleage for long trips Road2 on the rear, hate Road2 front very unresponsive tyre.

bt023 for sport touring. good traction wet and dry

Aegisranger

I just put Michelin Pilot Road 3 tires on and they are great. Too bad they aren't a choice on the tire survey...

Another vote for the PR3 - I put mine on late last year, and they made the VFR even more fun to ride. Caveat emptor - my only comparison tire is the Dunlop Sportmax rubber rim protectors that came on the bike; no doubt MANY tires are better than that ancient model.

-VFRGeek

Had the PR3 for 1 season still goin strong. they're more than ok for me. Good mileage, very secure for me on wet tarmac and the threads look sweet ;)

seth89

Had the PR3 for 1 season still goin strong. they're more than ok for me. Good mileage, very secure for me on wet tarmac and the threads look sweet ;)

Same here. Think I'll get more mileage than I did with the Pilot Roads they replaced.

Swapped over to Michelin from Dunlop. For the money, and if you really get it in the twisties, Pilot Powers ALL DAY.

I'll let you know, I picked up a crashed vfr 94 that had Pilot Road 3's on it but the front was destroyed as was about everything else except rear wheel and engine., so I put both on my 4th gen and ordered a PR3 front ($143). Till now I've run PP's front and rear,but the rears normally toast @ 15-1800 mi and the front toast @ 2500-3000, but they stick great. I ride nothing but twisty back roads and tickle my toes on the majority of turns. Would love to get 3000+ out of the PR3's

trjerm

I'll let you know, I picked up a crashed vfr 94 that had Pilot Road 3's on it but the front was destroyed as was about everything else except rear wheel and engine., so I put both on my 4th gen and ordered a PR3 front ($143). Till now I've run PP's front and rear,but the rears normally toast @ 15-1800 mi and the front toast @ 2500-3000, but they stick great. I ride nothing but twisty back roads and tickle my toes on the majority of turns. Would love to get 3000+ out of the PR3's

With that type of riding I would suggest a PR2 rear w/PP front, they will wear out as a set. You'll find the steering much slower with any PR2 or 3 f/r vs PP's, that is why I still run the PP front w/PR2 rear.

My buddy who rides a lot like me says he likes the PR2 rear better than the PR3 when pushed hard in the Dry, but the 3 is better in wet.

I avg 2-2200 miles from a set of PP's and avg 3-3.5k miles from the PP/PR2 combo with no noticable grip difference.

BR

My VFR came with BT023s and I haven't had any problems with them. They grip pretty well and have been holding up pretty well. But then again, the best you know is what you've rode.

The other VFR at our house has PR2s I think, or they might be PPs but I can't remember. Regardless I haven't rode the other VFR enough to judge them (since it ain't mine and I like my own just fine).

-Mike

Has anybody run both front PR2s and PR3s on a 5th or 6th gen. Compare mileage, performance etc???

I recently spooned on the Dunlop Roadsmart II set and plan to test them this weekend on a full day mountain ride. I promise to report back. I never liked the Michelins PRs, but in all fairness, there weren't "round" anymore. At $272 to my door, I couldn't go wrong.

bmart

I recently spooned on the Dunlop Roadsmart II set and plan to test them this weekend on a full day mountain ride. I promise to report back. I never liked the Michelins PRs, but in all fairness, there weren't "round" anymore. At $272 to my door, I couldn't go wrong.

Let us know how the Smart II's work for you.

BTW I hate PR's also or are you talking about PR2's?

Will do. I'm pretty sure they were PRs, build date in 2008. They provided what could only be described as absolutly no feedback on what the front end was doing. I am hoping for rthe normal fabulous feedback that Dunlops usually give. I loved the D205 and D220s. They never moved a mm, rain or dry.

bmart

Will do. I'm pretty sure they were PRs, build date in 2008. They provided what could only be described as absolutly no feedback on what the front end was doing. I am hoping for rthe normal fabulous feedback that Dunlops usually give. I loved the D205 and D220s. They never moved a mm, rain or dry.

Yeah, the original Pilot Road was Crap IMO if you push your bike if the slightest!!! The most veg tire I ever ran. I never likes any Dunlop until the Q2 and they just don't last at all. You should slap on a set of PP's one day to see how good your bike and tires can feel.

BR

bmart

I'm a diehard Dunlop fan but am open to trying others. The PR2s on the VFR now work fine, but others can be had cheaper, and will probably work and wear about the same.

.

I enjoy reading about everyone's experiences and opinions on tires, suspension, etc!

There's definitely tires that work better, the real difference is the Performance Level , for the increased amount of life it offers. Usually 20 to 40% more life over any other.

Traction is usually directly related to wear life, some how the road 2 defies this to some degree. I can understand on a lighter weight bike the Proad2 may not have the same grip level.

Lets take a BT 21 rear which is half the life of a road 2 rear. If Im running 60 or 70 mph and drop 2 gear and cross double yellow under throttle the road 2 will break loose and spin, the Bt21 rear will not. But I run the road 2, cause of the significant money savings with increased life and normally the traction level is very sound in most conditions,. The Road 2 actually costs more money than the road 2, but factor in double life and the road 2 is factually cheaper to run.

I decided to go with the Pilot Road 2's F and R over the Angel ST ( which I still want to try ). My needs for a great tire are mileage and rain performance on a fully loaded VFR. Corners, draggin the knee do not really happen on the roads in Northern Alberta or even when I go to British Columbia, so not to concerned with that aspect. My BT021 made about 12,000km's, my 023 hit 14,000 ( way better in the rain than the 021 ). So, I will see how these work for me. New chain/sprockets ( JT-DIDVM530 ) and tires at 40,000km. The roads are almost clear enough to pull the bike out and ride. fingers crossed for this weekend.

My update, since I posted I've gotten both Metzeler M-5's Front and rear. Nice improvement in grip. The M3 front really gave me confidence in the twisties of Nor-cal, Mt Hamilton and Mines roads wet and dry. Now with the M5 Combo I've been able to go all the way over with a passenger and still have really great grip. Zero chicken strips. Wifey just hangs on for dear life!

They do wear out in about 3-4k. I tend to ride fast on abrasive roads.

Just my .2

Jim

Well, after removing the PR2s last week and mounting the Roadsmart IIs, I finally got out for a couple hundred miles of mountains on Sunday. It was a mix of fast sweepers and 1st gear corners, and everything in between. I even commuted back and forth on the slab for a full and balanced test. I tried hard braking. I tried braking at significant lean. I tried a lot fo throttle at full lean.

There is no comparison. Grip is better. Feedback is MUCH better. Turn in is much improved. I can't get over the difference, and moreso can't believe that the PR2s are the most loved tires. After reading so much positive feedback, I figured that my VFR behaved as well as it could. You Michelin lovers can keep 'em! Before the swap, my VFR was ready to go on the block. After...I'm keeping it for sure! Honestly, it was a lot like riding my 748...but slightly more comfortable; certainly more red.

I've had a couple of sets of roadsmarts on my 100,000 mile 5th gen. , Although they occasionally slipped I thought it was due to cold tires. I thought they were the bees knees, lasting around 12,000 miles; that's why I loved them. I've since acquired two additional 5th gens (I know it's excessive). They both came with PR2 s. And they are MUCH better feeling that the Roadsmarts. They have never slipped. I will see how long they last but if they are at all close to 12,000 they are clearly superior imho.

So when the 100,000 mi. machine needed a new rear, it was a PR2. It has been a great improvement. (I had to replace the front tire last year on a road trip and the only available tire that fit was a Pirelli Diablo. (Good grip, good feel, no slipping). The combination has been great.

On the 100,000 bike I've had:

- two sets Metzler M1 - (12,000 mi) seemed good, but I was a rookie

- one set of Metzler M3 - (6,000 mi) fabulous on the dragon, extremely grippy wet and dry

- two sets of Roadsmarts (12,000+ mi) I thought were fine until the PR2 (the most recent front wore out early - hence the Diablo)

- currently Diablo front PR2 rear

(I have owned the two most recent 5th gens for only a few thousand mi - no replacements yet)

bmart

Well, after removing the PR2s last week

You said you thought they were the original Pilot Roads, So you you did have PR's or PR2's on your bike?

HUGE difference between PR's and PR2's!!!

BR

My notes say:

"Pilot Road 2. Date codes, F1508, R0108."

I just put a Michellin P3 on the front and I have to say i've never experienced quite an astounding change before. I felt it within the first 20 feet, and it feels like its just agressively grabbing the road. what an amazing tire, I just wonder what the back P3 experience will be like.

fully amazing, highly recommend P3.

I went out on one of my 5th gens yesterday which has PR2 s front and back. They have been great in the several hundred miles I've owned the bike. However, yesterday, applying power a little early, out of a turn, maybe a little agressively, the front tire started sliding (understeer). Suprised me and took away a little confidence in the tire. On another of my 5th gens I have a PR2 rear and a Perlli Diablo in front. That Perelli has NEVER let loose in similar situations. Reinforces for me the recomendation someone put out (BR, HS?) about the PR front. So the questions becomes: what's the difference in life of the PR and the Diable. The Diablo has been great, has over 5,000 mi. and looks like it is only half worn out.

So I'm giving a happy shout out to Perelli Diablo s at least in front.

My guess is that Most slips are "Crap on the road surface" issues vs the tire grip problem when running any decent tire.

I'm putting a new set of BT23s on at Wheelers next week... Because thats what works for me.. Tires are like underwear, lots to pick from, and when you find a pair you like, you tend to stick to that brand. :fing02:

Baileyrock

My guess is that Most slips are "Crap on the road surface" issues vs the tire grip problem when running any decent tire.

That could very well be. And I probably lightened the front end with premature accelleration. Thanks.

MaxSwell

I went out on one of my 5th gens yesterday which has PR2 s front and back. They have been great in the several hundred miles I've owned the bike. However, yesterday,

. So the questions becomes: what's the difference in life of the PR and the Diable. The Diablo has been great, has over 5,000 mi. and looks like it is only half worn out.

So I'm giving a happy shout out to Perelli Diablo s at least in front.

Which diablo, theres' about a 1/2 dosen types, if running the track type, naturally it will offer more traction than a Sport tour?

spud786

MaxSwell

So I'm giving a happy shout out to Perelli Diablo s at least in front.

Which diablo, theres' about a 1/2 dosen types, if running the track type, naturally it will offer more traction than a Sport tour?

The tire just says diablo. I needed a tire while on tour, and this was the only suitable one they had. I was told it was a sport-touring tire. And with several thousand miles on it, it is not very worn so it could not be a track tire.

Well, I dont run Sport tours on the front, I thought maybe you found a Good Perilli , that I might try

I used to run sport tours on the front, but I found the Front Ppowers, are superior in performance , and still get the same milege as many sport tours , or maybe 20% less. Just not worth messing with the sport tours on the front.

any ideas on best price for PR2 rear? cheapest I see is $149

That is the cheapest I could find for you too.

bmart

That is the cheapest I could find for you too.

Alright. Thanks for trying.

Reading this thread, it seems the PP front/PR2 rear is the ideal combination?

But what is it about this combination instead of a PR2 front and rear?

Thanks in advance.

FrankoQ

bmart

That is the cheapest I could find for you too.

Alright. Thanks for trying.

Reading this thread, it seems the PP front/PR2 rear is the ideal combination?

But what is it about this combination instead of a PR2 front and rear?

Thanks in advance.

I'd say they like the PP(F) better for the quicker turn in, and it takes the stress of staying planted while in the turn.

I was a little disapointed I could only get a Pirelli Diablo when I needed a replacement on tour. Man, that tire has been fabulous. Seems very well planted in all situations (at least when I'm under control). The few times I've felt is slide it gave lots of warning, was very progressive in it's slide and was easy to recover traction. And it worked better than the RoadSmart front it replaced and works very well with the new PR2 I put on the rear just before T-mac. It looks only half used up after approx 5,000 mi.

Disclaimer: I'm no tire expert and I'm usually rather conservative in my riding. Experience includes Metzler M1 s (12,000 mi), Metzler M3 s (worn to the cords at 5,000), Dunlop RoadSmarts (several sets - let loose too easily but 12,000 mi avg. life) and the Pirelli Diablo with RoadSmart rear and then PR2 rear. Diablo / PR2 best for touring; Metzler M3 best for Dragon slaying. Relative to the tires I've experienced.

what about a Diablo rear?

FrankoQ

what about a Diablo rear?

There are at least 5 different Diablo models, which are you talking about? Std., Strada, Corsa,, Angle, etc.

I loved the standard Diablo, but it just wore out way to fast.

Baileyrock

FrankoQ

what about a Diablo rear?

There are at least 5 different Diablo models, which are you talking about? Std., Strada, Corsa,, Angle, etc.

I loved the standard Diablo, but it just wore out way to fast.

My bad. I meant the standard.

I just ordered the diablos standard front and rear. $164 for both. I could not say no. I'll switch to the PP/PR2s once this set goes. :tongue:

I have Bridgestone 016 under mine and I hate them.

They always give me the feeling of losing grip in corners.

My next set will be Metzlers Z6, had them under my previous bike and they are very well suited for our Belgium roads.

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As our roads are terrible, holes everywhere sometimes big enough to put a cat in.

And after a bit of rain there is all sorts of rubbish on them, from dirt to oil.

RED RUNNER

I've got Pilot Powers. Two seven hundred mile trips of Superslab riding has created an unfortunate flat spot on the rear, but the front is okay. I will try the Road2 on the back. I don't do much riding in the rain so I don't think I need the Pilot Power Road 3s.

Also, I know some of you use a Pilot Power up front and a Pilot Road on the back. I spoke to a Michelin Rep who didn't see the need to have the Power up front; he thought I ought to get the road 2 set. Maybe he was just trying to sell me something.

I've had a few front slips that very likely could have been lowsides with a rounder, and harder compound front. I like the elliptical profile, and extra stick of the PP up front on the VFR. I do run a PR2 on the front of the RT, but it's a lot heavier, has less available lean angle, and the Telelever suspension is hard on front tires. It would eat a PP in under 2K.

Someone want to update this???

I still prefer the pr2's over the 3's. Plus they are less expensive. You can ride your bike over 5000 miles.

I am just over 5k miles into a pair of Dunlop Roadsmart2 (Despite being the list favorites, I've never met a Michelin I liked). That includes a track day, where they both performed as mediocre as expected, and many mountain miles. Until I checked my maintenance log, I thought they had 3k miles on them. My discovery of 5k miles makes more sense for teh amount of wear.

The front has 2-3mm left. The rear has 1-3mm left and has some significant cupping/scallopping. I have been running them at 36PSI front cold and 40-42PSI rear cold. Cold pressures for the track day were 32F/32R which went up to 36F/39R when hot off the track.

I'm not sure if I am going to replace them with some combination of Q/Q2/Q3/RS2 or try a set of Bridgestone BT-003/016/023 combo. A friend has the 023s on his VFR and they are fantastic but without the wonderful feedback I love about the Dunlops (my main complaint about most non-Dunlops I've used on and off the track). I never wanted for more grip from the RS2 pair, wet or dry.

There is some old info on here. Any updates from anyone?

I have Pirelli Scorpion Trail, made for Ducati Multistrada, and they are great for both road & soft off-road. Check this out: http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/gallery/album/6919-romanian-apuseni-mountain-trip/ During my trip, I never had either front or rear running from under me on either big rocks or debris, not to mention on tarmac - I've rubbed my boots off during leaning. :) It's true that the suspension is great also: front is with 1kg/mm Wilbers springs, RaceTech Gold rebound & compression valves with 5W oil and near racing Wilbers shock with remote adjustments.

Good rubber + good suspension = Great fun

I already know my next set of tires will be the excellent Michelin Pilot Road 3s, but I'm curious if anyone has ever fitted larger than stock on their 5th gen with good results. Are you better off sticking with the stock size, or going slightly bigger? (speedometer issues aside)

Still running PP front PR2 rear on the road, and PP rear for track days. Don't see the point in springing for the PR3 as the only advantage is in the wet which doesn't happen here often enough to justify.

TNRabbit

I already know my next set of tires will be the excellent Michelin Pilot Road 3s, but I'm curious if anyone has ever fitted larger than stock on their 5th gen with good results. Are you better off sticking with the stock size, or going slightly bigger? (speedometer issues aside)

I am actually thinking of going narrower on the road since I have a 4th gen rear wheel here doing nothing at the moment. If it doesn't work I can always swap the rubber onto the RT.

Anyone have any experience with the BT 023?

I had the Dunlop Roadsmart dual compound on the Buell which I dug and the R1100S has Pilot Road 2's. Mind you the Buell got pushed MUCH harder than the BMW...

My new (to me) VFR came with Conti Attacks but, the front is semi-cupped (bit of a low speed wobble going on. Pretty sure it's the tire as it's fine at higher speeds)

Also, apologies as I haven't been through the entire thread. (newb to V4 world)

Thanks

Itch

The BT023 (GT) set now has just over 1600 miles on it, most of that in the twisties. So, the short report is:

Initially, they did turn in faster and sooner than the RS2 pair they replaced. Both tires also slid with some ease when leaned, which reminded me of the Avons I tried on the CB-1. I set them to the stock 36/42 PSI, the same as I ran the RS2s, when I installed them.

Whether it is the mythical mold release, or simply needing to scuff in the tires, they continued to slide as I leaned the bike more and more until the whole tire was scuffed in. Once scuffed in, they worked flawlessly in the dry. Feedback is definitely low in comparison to the RS2. Riding them hard required a lot of trust. I spent much of the last six days on one knee or the other without issue. Admittedly, I have very long legs, so I was certainly not at full lean. Going through standing water at any reasonable lean caused both tires to slide slightly. Nothing dramatic, but nothing that made me want to ride hard on a wet surface.

Alan and I swapped bikes and came away feeling that the heavier duty GT tire model made no difference at all in how the tires worked or felt.

So all in all, they worked “mostly fine.” They were about 75% of the cost of the Dunlops. I’ll have to wait to see how many miles they go to see if I would buy them again. The current 1600 miles is nearly 1/3 of the 5k I put on the RS2 pair before I took them off, so they’d have to go nearly 3800 miles total to provide an equal value, assuming equal performance. More miles would sway my vote.

The front is looking pretty good at 3.5mm, but the rear is already below ½ tread depth and majorly scalloped (2mm on low side of scallop) like the Dunlop was. Right now, I’d buy probably buy the Dunlops to get that wonderful feedback back. That isn’t to say that the tires weren’t brilliant. As some of us have said many times, modern ST rubber is quite incredible. There is no reason I should have been able to ride these tires so hard without a single dry slip, even when cold.

Over 2500 miles on the BT-023 GT pair now, mostly in the mountains. In the dry they work great. In the wet, not so much. The rear scalloping/cupping has gotten worse in the rear. The front appears to be wearing like iron.

Front tread depth is at just under 3.5mm, new was 4.5mm. Over 72% left, so I expect maybe 5500-7500 usable miles total.

Rear tread depth is at or under 2mm, new was 4.5 mm sides and 6.0 mm center. 33% center to 45% side left, so I expect maybe 3500 usable miles.

I've been debating whether to go back to the full Dunlop RS2 set, which I loved or to put on only an RS2 rear (in 1000 more miles) until the BT-023 front is done.

That's it!

I really like my plot road 3's. I'm about 1700 miles in and have plenty of tread left. Great turn in and great in the wet. I was very impressed with the turn in considering he tire doesn't look like it had a very aggressive profile.

Update:

Under 3k miles. The rear BT-023 is D-U-N done. The front has about 2/3 life left, which is impressive.

$/mile

BT-023 front (est) $100/7.5k-$.013/mile (hard for me to believe if I didn't ride the miles myself)

RS2 front $130/5k-$.026/mile

BT-23 rear $135/3k=$.045/mile (not much of a deal, despite lower pricepoint)

RS2 rear $180/5k=$.036/mile (and better in rain)

RED RUNNER

I've got Pilot Powers. Two seven hundred mile trips of Superslab riding has created an unfortunate flat spot on the rear, but the front is okay. I will try the Road2 on the back. I don't do much riding in the rain so I don't think I need the Pilot Power Road 3s.

Also, I know some of you use a Pilot Power up front and a Pilot Road on the back. I spoke to a Michelin Rep who didn't see the need to have the Power up front; he thought I ought to get the road 2 set. Maybe he was just trying to sell me something.

The Michelin guy probably doesn't understand the desire for the front and rear to wear out at the same rate. Nothing I disliked more before I started using ST tires on the rear with Sport tire on the front than that in between set of tires where the rear was worn out but the front looked ok so I spooned another rear on and the front feel was crap.

nothing feels better than a new pair of shoes on the VFR...

This should be updated with the new Pirelli Angel GT- there IS a difference!!!

I need to share my experience with the ContiRoadAttack 2 tires. They are hands down the best tires I have ever used. They are quiet, are wearing wonderfuly, don't have "dual compounds" so there is no transition feel, but rather one compound that is heated differently between the sides and the center tread. These things grip like glue and they didn't even need to be scrubbed in.

For a hypersport tire, they are the best that I have found. Definitely worth a look if you are due for a replacement.

bmart

Update:

Under 3k miles. The rear BT-023 is D-U-N done. The front has about 2/3 life left, which is impressive.

$/mile

BT-023 front (est) $100/7.5k-$.013/mile (hard for me to believe if I didn't ride the miles myself)

RS2 front $130/5k-$.026/mile

BT-23 rear $135/3k=$.045/mile (not much of a deal, despite lower pricepoint)

RS2 rear $180/5k=$.036/mile (and better in rain)

Interested to see how you go, I would vote for you to try a RSII rear to see how the 023 front wears.

That is my current plan.

Just Put a set of Michelins on to replace a worn set of z6s. Much better so far, but still haven't scrubbed the mold release off to fully tell. I will update in a few hundred miles.

Well, I pulled off the BT-023 pair and installed a set of RS2s today. The rear was done at under 3k miles, which just makes me sad. The front has a ton of life left, but I wanted a match pair. One test drive later and ayep, I made the right decision. They are better in every way. They last longer, provide way more feedback, make tar snakes disappear, and work better in the wet.

I now have a less than ½ worn BT-23 front left over which I may keep for later, or sell along with my track day takeoffs. I wish Dunlop made these in CB-1 size…

I expect to be riding rain or shine, so I do want safe grip in either conditions. I also want a comfortable ride. I still have the original OEM Bridgestones with 3500 miles on them, but they are five years old.

I don't know if it would be worth switching out for something else. I keep hearing about the Michelin P3 and P4's. How do they rate on a VFR?

RogueWave

I expect to be riding rain or shine, so I do want safe grip in either conditions. I also want a comfortable ride. I still have the original OEM Bridgestones with 3500 miles on them, but they are five years old.

I don't know if it would be worth switching out for something else. I keep hearing about the Michelin P3 and P4's. How do they rate on a VFR?

I love my Pirelli Angel GTs in all conditions on my VFR800... don't know how they will perform on the big 1200

RogueWave

I expect to be riding rain or shine, so I do want safe grip in either conditions. I also want a comfortable ride. I still have the original OEM Bridgestones with 3500 miles on them, but they are five years old.

I don't know if it would be worth switching out for something else. I keep hearing about the Michelin P3 and P4's. How do they rate on a VFR?

Can't say how they are on a 1200 but I've had 2 sets of PR3s on my 800s and they are outstanding.

Have a new PR4 on the spare wheel waiting for my 6th Gen.

RogueWave

I expect to be riding rain or shine, so I do want safe grip in either conditions. I also want a comfortable ride. I still have the original OEM Bridgestones with 3500 miles on them, but they are five years old.

I don't know if it would be worth switching out for something else. I keep hearing about the Michelin P3 and P4's. How do they rate on a VFR?

I've been through a couple of sets of PR4s & they are just outstanding. A felllow VFR buddy has a 6th gen--he uses angel GT's and he swears by them also. Neither tire will disappoint you.

Just finished a 2300 mile cross country on PR4's. It was in the 30s and raining for most of the trip. One leg was below 30 in freezing fog, that got my attention. Mostly freeway but a brief technical segment on old Rte 66 between Needles and Kingman.

1. Tires held up amazingly well. Other than being well run-in, there is no visible wear in the front. The rear is a teeny teeny bit squared off. Mighta shoulda run the rear at 42psi instead of 40, I was riding pretty heavy.

2. Absolutely amazing stickum in cold rain. I don't think I could have asked the tires to do more than they did. Absolutely no indication of hydroplaning, although I kept it below 60 when it was raining.

3. Hard to say how they did in the twisties, I was carrying a lot of weight in the rear and the road was in awful condition. I didn't push it. (If you've been on that road, you know why)

I dunno that I would choose this tire for aggressive riding in good conditions, among other things the wear pattern on the PR3's that the bike came with was really weird, leaves a high ridge of hard rubber that makes the bike really squirrely. But for the open highway, my jaw is hanging open. Just can't believe how well these things did.

I'm about 3/4ths of the way through a set of PR4's on my 8th gen and seeing pronounced feathering of the sipe blocks both front and rear. I suppose I have done too much aggressive canyon riding for the intent of these, but after 3000 miles with about 1000 left on the rear, the handling is still excellent. Getting at least 25% more treadwear out of these compared to PR2 on the 6th gen.

Next will be a set of Dunlops, Q3 front and R2 rear.

I had some Pilot Road 4 GT's fitted at the weekend, they're not broken in but already seem excellent. They're stiffer than the regular PR4's and really improve the flickability of the bike (though that may also be due to coming from squared off T30's). I rode home in the rain yesterday and they felt incredibly confident, traffic was too heavy to try and actively upset the traction control but the way they held the road felt as good as the T30's on a hot, dry day. I can't wait to see what they're like after another 60 miles.

2013 at 2:06 PM, CornerCarver, September 9

I've got Pilot Powers. Two seven hundred mile trips of Superslab riding has created an unfortunate flat spot on the rear, but the front is okay. I will try the Road2 on the back. I don't do much riding in the rain so I don't think I need the Pilot Power Road 3s.

Also, I know some of you use a Pilot Power up front and a Pilot Road on the back. I spoke to a Michelin Rep who didn't see the need to have the Power up front; he thought I ought to get the road 2 set. Maybe he was just trying to sell me something.

The Michelin guy probably doesn't understand the desire for the front and rear to wear out at the same rate.  Nothing I disliked more before I started using ST tires on the rear with Sport tire on the front than that in between set of tires where the rear was worn out but the front looked ok so I spooned another rear on and the front feel was crap.

nothing feels better than a new pair of shoes on the VFR...

Picky, picky, picky.....and I thought you could throw around a bike in the twisties.....; )

Rogue Option:
Shinko Verge 2x.  ~220 a set.

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I'm on my 3rd set of them.  outstanding grip,  feedback,  and wear characteristics for a tire I would rate 1 on 1 with Pilot Power 1's.

Capable enough in Jacksonville NC every-other-day rains.  I take them out on Old Maple Hill Road,  and smash them at 45 degrees near triple digits with zero drama,  I do 650+ mile trips to ohio from NC on them,  flawless on the interstate,  flawless getting smashed through the WV turnpike,  flawless over roadworks and weird grains of chewed up pavement.  I've done several Advanced Rider Course sets at Cherry Point on their prepped airstrip tarmac as well.  towards the end of the program they put the quick and experienced riders with like,  and the beginners with beginners,  and turn them loose on the coned out sort of auto x they have on the airstrip,  because we're the military and we know we're gonna push a little no matter what,  so good pointers for form when pushing are in order.  and they REALLY hung on.  kept the rearend underneath the bike while the instructors were telling me to be cautious because I was spinning the rear up coming out of the sharper bends,  but I didn't get even a wag out of her.  the tread was accordingly a little melty on the shoulders in the rear,  but they held together really well for 15 minute nearly full on romps through the cones digging in 2nd gear,  to the chip on the short straights and mashing brakes before sharp hairpin turn ins ect. 

I know some people have tried to hoon on Ravens and have been bitten.  I know some guys have tried to do more than just track day short stints on their soft compound slicks and gotten bitten,  but if you do what they're designed for,  the verge 2x will really treat you right.  Even in the wallet.  I get about 3-4 out of a rear,  and I pretty much torture them when they're not on a road trip.  7-8 k before the front's shoulders get barren. 

Breakins are no thing either.  ride them with traffic around town and through some turns.  take them out of town and 55mph around some bends,  check to make sure the shine is beaten off of lion's share of the tire,  then enjoy.  ~ 50 mile break-in or less.

Anyone used the new Pirelli Angel GT?  What do you think of them?

Hi everyone,

I commuted for years using Pilot Road 4 on my CBF 600 before selling it and was more than happy with them on (very confidence inspiring, great durability, outstanding wet grip).

Now, when I bought my VFR few months ago, she had brand new Metzeler z6 equipped so I just thought "Well, let's try it".

Today, after 2k Miles and 2-3 nasty surprises from my rear tire I am thinking of replacing them, even if they are still in pretty good shape...

Knowing that I ride mostly to commute (under any weather/temperature, on dirty/bumpy roads...) with some outing in twisties during week-ends and that I don't ride very aggressively, should I just go for the PR4s?

Are there interesting alternatives?

I read/heard some pretty good things about the last Road Smart, has anyone tried them??

Thanks in advance :wink:

46 minutes ago, Coatzin

Hi everyone,

I commuted for years using Pilot Road 4 on my CBF 600 before selling it and was more than happy with them on (very confidence inspiring, great durability, outstanding wet grip).

Now, when I bought my VFR few months ago, she had brand new Metzeler z6 equipped so I just thought "Well, let's try it".

Today, after 2k Miles and 2-3 nasty surprises from my rear tire I am thinking of replacing them, even if they are still in pretty good shape...

Knowing that I ride mostly to commute (under any weather/temperature, on dirty/bumpy roads...) with some outing in twisties during week-ends and that I don't ride very aggressively, should I just go for the PR4s?

Are there interesting alternatives?

I read/heard some pretty good things about the last Road Smart, has anyone tried them??

Thanks in advance :wink:

Many riders here use and enjoy the PR4, myself included. It is a very well rounded tire (pun not intended), it does a lot, last a good many miles and seems to perform well for most riders. I usually stick with what I know and may step out of my comfort zone once in a while to try something that others have made good comments about. However, that is usually when I have doubts and/or desires to see if there is something better than what I know. Sometimes cost is a factor and considering Michelins are not cheap, it may be worth trying something else once in a while. Basically, if you're comfortable with them and don't have any cost issues, they will do just fine on your VFR.

As far as the Road Smarts, I believe there are few here that have tried them, so I'll let them chime in as I have used Dunlops in quite some time.

20 minutes ago, Duc2V4

Many riders here use and enjoy the PR4, myself included. It is a very well rounded tire (pun not intended), it does a lot, last a good many miles and seems to perform well for most riders. I usually stick with what I know and may step out of my comfort zone once in a while to try something that others have made good comments about. However, that is usually when I have doubts and/or desires to see if there is something better than what I know. Sometimes cost is a factor and considering Michelins are not cheap, it may be worth trying something else once in a while. Basically, if you're comfortable with them and don't have any cost issues, they will do just fine on your VFR.

As far as the Road Smarts, I believe there are few here that have tried them, so I'll let them chime in as I have used Dunlops in quite some time.

Yep, it seems we have the same way of seeing things :happy:

But since lots of people tend to say that the RS3s perform even better than the PR4s, I am quite tempted ....

Will wait some more feedback in read into it a bit more before making my decision.

lol, I love a tire thread,  since there's like 100s of posts, I'll just throw out my take on the subject.    Pirelli Diablo Rossas   Nuff said. :goofy:

58 minutes ago, RVFR

lol, I love a tire thread,  since there's like 100s of posts, I'll just throw out my take on the subject.    Pirelli Diablo Rossas   Nuff said. :goofy:

that's what I am running right now. roughly 2000 miles and they are starting to flatten off from commuting on the highway with them. next week I should be able to test them in some good corners.

Bent, 5/18/2017 at 10:10 AM

Anyone used the new Pirelli Angel GT?  What do you think of them?

Ah-May-Zing

I got almost 10k out of my front.  The rear had 7500 on it before I got a flat and replaced it.  Looked like it could have gone a few thousand more.

If you want mileage AND grip, go Angel GT.  If you want grip, go Diablo Rosso 3.

5 minutes ago, deltaboxii

Ah-May-Zing

I got almost 10k out of my front.  The rear had 7500 on it before I got a flat and replaced it.  Looked like it could have gone a few thousand more.

If you want mileage AND grip, go Angel GT.  If you want grip, go Diablo Rosso 3.

Thank you!  I hope to be Ah-May-Zed, once I get them out of the basement and onto the VFR.....; )  I've never gotten even close to 10K from any tire.  I'll feel fortunate if I get 4K from them.  

They really lean against a wall well in a basement........great grip.......

Indiana doesn't have much in the way of twisties, but even down south you should be able to get more than 4k miles out of them if you keep the pressures right.  I cupped a front Angel GT on my '07 but I am heavy on the front brakes and its heavier than my 5th gens.

1 hour ago, 3dcycle

that's what I am running right now. roughly 2000 miles and they are starting to flatten off from commuting on the highway with them. next week I should be able to test them in some good corners.

 I've got right around 4K on this set,  they will easily make it to 8k,  most of the time they last 10-11k where the rear goes first,  the front last a bit longer,  but I'll swap them all out at the same time.

Did I mention I like the tread design?  LOL I wonder how many get a tire because it looks good?

I do cant buy a ugly tire

17 hours ago, RVFR

 I've got right around 4K on this set,  they will easily make it to 8k,  most of the time they last 10-11k where the rear goes first,  the front last a bit longer,  but I'll swap them all out at the same time.

Did I mention I like the tread design?  LOL I wonder how many get a tire because it looks good?

I didn't know tires could look good......

Rode with the brand new Angel GT's yesterday and they do ride softer than any Bstone I've had on.  They don't pick up every tiny micro-bump but do have good feedback.  Other than that, they handle like any other ST tire I've had.  They remind me of PR2's as far as handling.  Maybe very slightly better.  We shall see as to longevity.  New shoes always feel better anyway.  

I put on a set of Bridgestone T30 Evos during the 2nd day of the NC trip and WOW.  I don't say that often.  Just Wow.

Never had so much confidence during hard riding.  Anything I could through at them was absorbed without complaints in perfectly predictable manner.

I cannot speak to the longevity, but they held up very well to 3 days of hard riding and look like they can carry me through another NC trip with ease.

Previous B-stone S21s melted away in 2-3 fun days on me.

Rice, 6/26/2017 at 5:25 AM

I put on a set of Bridgestone T30 Evos during the 2nd day of the NC trip and WOW.  I don't say that often.  Just Wow.

Never had so much confidence during hard riding.  Anything I could through at them was absorbed without complaints in perfectly predictable manner.

I cannot speak to the longevity, but they held up very well to 3 days of hard riding and look like they can carry me through another NC trip with ease.

Previous B-stone S21s melted away in 2-3 fun days on me.

T30 EVO's are being replaced by a new T31 tire starting early 2018

Glad you like them.  Stones have always gripped well for me and worn OK but, my gawd, they ride hard.  That has applied to any kind of Bstone for me to the point I'm finished with them.  I'm tired of being beaten up and am only going to adjust my suspension so much because of a hard riding tire.  NC is a great place to tire test and have fun.  

I had Metzeler Z6s Installed on June 2 and took these pictures this morning. I rolled up 5024 mi in the month of June .

Verdict; Good bang for the buck but, I liked the Pirelli STs better for the same money.

These tires were $215 on Amazon and worked well for the first 90% of their life. On the ride yesterday I could feel the front

end starting to move around a bit more than I'd like in some aggressive corners. 

I never used the rear brake on this set of tires and the rear "cords" are starting to show.

Curiously, the previous set of tires ( Pirelli Angel STs ) I experimented with using the back brake a lot and they lasted for about 

6000 mi before the rear tire started showing cords. Using the back brake can be nice but, my feeble brain has very little capacity

( IE balancing front and back brakes ) so I'm back to my exclusive use of fronts. Next set Metzeler Roadtec 1s....Yippee !

Beginning of June I changed my tires. I had a set of Pilot Road 5s on my 800 that I'd mounted in September. After 6500 miles the rear was past the wear bars and handling like crap. The front had reached the wear bars. Since this was a Autumn/Winter/Spring set I'm not surprised I burned out the center, also because my suspension was worn out (got it refreshed in May). I put on a set of S21 takeoffs to hold me over until I decide what to try next. The plan is to do a lot of mileage so I need something that'll handle the miles without getting out of shape really fast.

Funny I just told my shop the next tires I buy will be PR5s. Your statement is not making me so confident. I figured PR5s would be good for 7000+ mi. Say it ain't so ! I really like Metzeler Roadtec 1s but, I couldn't get more than 7k out of a set and I just had set 3 installed today. Not consecutively....it's complicated.

YMMV?

That 6500 miles was with worn out suspension so the tires were eating themselves, and it was mostly straight up and down. If you find something that grips well and will last 7k, let us know for sure.

9 hours ago, RC79NC001

Funny I just told my shop the next tires I buy will be PR5s. Your statement is not making me so confident. I figured PR5s would be good for 7000+ mi. Say it ain't so ! I really like Metzeler Roadtec 1s but, I couldn't get more than 7k out of a set and I just had set 3 installed today. Not consecutively....it's complicated.

My last rear tire was Michelin Road 5. Got 16,200k's 10,066miles out of It, all country riding, I may not be fast but I'm definetly not a slow coach!

Looking at my records I'm generally getting 16 to 17,000ks out of a rear be it PR2's PR4's or the Road 5's I'm certainly a Michelin Man, as they say, when you're on a good thing stick to it!

There are just sooooooo many variables when it comes to tire life/distance. And as always YMMV.

It's the old story, if you want longevity, you want harder compounds and perhaps dual compounds.  If you want grip and handling/confidence in the hard twisties, you want something softer.  Your mileage is dependent on your riding style, right wrist, how hot you go into corners, etc.  Use only others experience with similar style..... no way I'll ever get Grum's mileage out of tires.

PR2's and RS3 are harder, just be more careful when it's cooler out (40-50's, spring/fall) and if wet.  Good in the hot and dry.  I prefer a little softer, so PR4/5, T31, Angel GT, Z6.  I use Z6 fronts a lot, dual compound, will notice a band of the harder compound in the middle if you do lots of twisties.  Currently running a Shinko Raven set on one of my bikes and they are darn good if I do say so, and cheap (don't let that fool you).  Currently on the Gen5, have Angel GT rear (190/55) and Raven front.... probably next time would stick to 180/55 rear, but quite good.

Dislike tread patterns that are prone to cupping/scalloping, PR4 fronts just begging for that.  PR3's even softer, worse and I avoid both.  Basically saying, not necessarily are sets good front/rear, but they can be.  Most without their own tire changing equipment will think a little differently, I like being able to change tires out at will.

The moment I bought new tires, I promptly forget the price and the mileage on the odometer.

Repeat when the tyres are worn.

All I remember is the FUN i had riding my bike(s)  :goofy:

YMMV

Angel GT's.  They're expensive but last a long time and the edges, after yesterday, gripped superbly.  Got a Cycle Gear flyer in the mail this weekend with rear Bridgestone T30's for $99 and I'll pass on them.  Bridgestones beat me up too badly.  Hard sidewalls.  Never will one be on my wheels again.   

Just ordered a set of Dunlop Roadsmart 3's. I'm normally a Bridestone man but I'll be lucky if the T31's on it now see 6000 miles. 

lazyeye, 7/2/2020 at 12:50 PM

Beginning of June I changed my tires. I had a set of Pilot Road 5s on my 800 that I'd mounted in September. After 6500 miles the rear was past the wear bars and handling like crap. The front had reached the wear bars. Since this was a Autumn/Winter/Spring set I'm not surprised I burned out the center, also because my suspension was worn out (got it refreshed in May). I put on a set of S21 takeoffs to hold me over until I decide what to try next. The plan is to do a lot of mileage so I need something that'll handle the miles without getting out of shape really fast.

Because the surface abrasiveness varies so greatly from area to area, can you share how many miles you get from other known tires so we can compare the PR5 with something we know from our area?

I say again.....Metzeller Roadtec 1.  :beer:

Just gad a set of Dunlop RoadSmart III's fitted to my 4th gen. I am WELL chuffed with them.

I’m with Dutchy. I have been running Roadsmart 3s on my 8th Gen for the last 45,000kms and get over 20,000 out of a rear. They hold their shape well, unless you do lots of freeway miles. Roadsmart 4s are now available in OZ.

Roadsmarts will be my next tire.  Dunlop seems to be less costly than my fav. Angel GT's that I can never find discounted.  They sure do wear great though.  

Bought a pair of Road 5’s the try this season, so far so good, 2500 miles, plenty of dry and some wet heavy rain days and I’m really liking them. I don’t ride the bike hard or to the edges but push it along now and then. 

 Conti Road Attack 3....grip like a sport tire, wear like a touring tire.

If you have a 5.5” rear try a 170 and be amazed at the feeling, it is as though your VFR lost 100 lbs in weight.

I really like Dunlop Q3+ if you're looking for something sportier than Roadsmarts. 

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CornerCarver, 10/30/2020 at 8:56 PM

 Conti Road Attack 3....grip like a sport tire, wear like a touring tire.

If you have a 5.5” rear try a 170 and be amazed at the feeling, it is as though your VFR lost 100 lbs in weight.

Good thing I have a huge pile of 180 Conti RA3s in my basement along with a leftover T31. 🥴

When can we start a new poll for current options? 🙂

I guess, my opinion will not qualify since I am running not very popular Shinko 011 verge on my '97.

These tires stick pretty well, not  sensitive to tar snakes (which we have a lot here in central CT)

I usually get 4K miles out of my tires, but I do not tour, just sport on back roads. Had Conti Sport Attack on the front for 3 weeks but took it off due to steering wobble (2" shake at 45 mph with hands off)

I would be inclined to try the Shinko stealth 003 but would like to know a reference point on how long these will last. Not that I care about how many miles I can get out of them, I just do not feel like taking the wheels off every 1000 miles to get them replaced.  

The tires on my '98 are nearing end of life, especially the rear (~3500 miles per RS2 rear). The tires on the '00 are original and unpleasant to think about riding on. 🙂

My '98 had RoadSmart IIs, which I am in love with. They aren't available anymore, but IIIs and IVs are. I have one set left in the closet and am not sure which bike they will go on. Probably the '00 as it isn't riding as is (not is it on the road yet). 

I truly had no issues on the GPR-300 set on the CB-1, but the typical dunlop feedback wasn't in play. If I were riding the VFR more (too many bikes!) I'd try the RoadSport IIs and report back. 

I haven't ridden any Metzlers, Bridgestones, or Michelins that I've liked. I generally ride the VFR pretty hard solo or two up and have even had it coaching at some track days (with proper tires, not STs which uslaly start to give up before turn 2!). 

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1 hour ago, Wald

I guess, my opinion will not qualify since I am running not very popular Shinko 011 verge on my '97.

These tires stick pretty well, not  sensitive to tar snakes (which we have a lot here in central CT)

I usually get 4K miles out of my tires, but I do not tour, just sport on back roads. Had Conti Sport Attack on the front for 3 weeks but took it off due to steering wobble (2" shake at 45 mph with hands off)

I would be inclined to try the Shinko stealth 003 but would like to know a reference point on how long these will last. Not that I care about how many miles I can get out of them, I just do not feel like taking the wheels off every 1000 miles to get them replaced.  

I too have Shinzo Verge. They were less than $200 for a pair before installation. Lasted nearly 5k, still has some life left. Gripped well on the dry pavement. I do not ride much in the rain. I can’t say anything bad about these tires. 

Personally, I've had really good experience with Shinko past 10-yrs. Been using their 003 model for track on my CBR600RR. They're exactly same as former Yokohama 003 tyres, didn't even change the name or tread-pattern! Get about 20 trackdays from set!

Been using their Verge 2x for street and it offers amazing grip. Dual compound really works, looks like I'll get 10K-miles out of this set. When tyres on VFR wears out, I'll put set of these on there too!

The original poll gets a lot of votes for PR2's.  They are still available on Amazon.  The 120/180 set is $220 at your door.  I bought a set spring '21 - the date codes were around Oct, '20, so for me acceptable.  Made in Spain.   There are a few buyers that report old date codes - I guess that's the roll of the dice anytime buying tires on line.  At any rate - that is a smokin' deal on those.  I hope they're still around when I need them again! 

+1 Cogswell for the Michelin PR2's, my go to tires as well. For good all round performance, longevity and price.....a great tire. Probably not the best for high performance riders! :wheel:

However if you're like me....Faster than slow riders and slower than fast riders! They are excellent. :fing02:

Fastest guy I know still runs PR2s FWIW

17 hours ago, Grum

+1 Cogswell for the Michelin PR2's, my go to tires as well. For good all round performance, longevity and price.....a great tire. Probably not the best for high performance riders! :wheel:

However if you're like me....Faster than slow riders and slower than fast riders! They are excellent. :fing02:

+1 Me Too!

I'm a creature (truth) of habit, but I like the original Pilot Powers and generally cheap. (About $110 rear and $95 front)

Now if I was going cross country, probably would need something else.

I ride like Grum - definitely not the fastest, but enough so that I want a tire I'm confident in.  My last Road 2's came off at just over 8,000 miles.  Had I been 1,000 miles from home, I'm very confident they would have made it - maybe even further, to around 10,000 total miles before they were truly shot - showing cords, etc.  I'm too chicken to take it that far for a lousy couple of hundred bucks, so I change 'em before they're totally done.  I have a set of Pilot Powers (didn't know they could still be had) on a 2nd set of wheels, but have never ridden them to exhaustion so don't know how far they'd go. 

I don't see Angel GT's in the original poll, likely they were not out then.  They might be on the list if it were taken again.  I've thought about trying those when I can no longer get the Road 2's. 

Spooned the last pair of RSIIs onto the yellow bike and will eventually get to ride it! The'98 will likely get RSIIIs in the spring.