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First Ride Review

11 posts Started 30 Sep 2008 Last recovered post 1 Oct 2008 Wayback Machine snapshot 12 Apr 2010

#1
So I bought my '02 on Saturday and rode it home in the rain, and Sunday was a monsoon, so yesterday after work was my first chance to get a real ride in on the new bike. I rode a few twisties and a few freeway miles yesterday and to work this morning. Here are my impressions (in no particular order):

- I don't know what kind of magic sauce Honda put into the suspension on that bike, but I'm sure Geneva convention rules must have been broken in it's development. I could feel every bump, undulation, and seam in the road, but not in bad way at all, it was more like the bike was just letting me know what was going on, for informational purposes only.

- The throttle is very sensitive to the slightest wrist movement. It might have something to do with the bike being about twice as powerful as my old Nighthawk 750, but I could definitely feel the engine responding to even the slightest wrist jostling.

- I think I understand now why some people love the VTEC and why some people hate it. When that second set of valves open up while you are getting on the gas, WoW! What a great kick in the pants. But then after a few times you start to wonder, if there is so much power available at 7K RPM, why isn't there nearly as much at 6,800? I also did experience a couple of times where I was riding right at 7K and I could feel the VTEC 'flutter' off an on a few times. Kind of annoying but easily solved by shifting. At this point I think I am a VTEC fan, although I wish there was some more hysteresis in the setup. We'll see how I feel when the 'newness' wears off.

- The bike just wants to go fast. My old bike took effort to ride at 95+, this thing just wants to get there, and settles in comfortably. I'm not too sure yet where the cruising RPM range is on this motor, but it feels like the engine wants to be in the 5K to 6K range. It'll take some time to get used to the new bike but it is a fun process so far.

- The Nighthawk had a raised ridge around the end of the grip, presumable to help keep your hands from slipping off, but I have big hands and the ridge was always in my way. The VFR grips don't have this ridge and are much more comfortable for me. The sharper backsweep angle on the grips is more comfortable as well, it feels much more natural. The erogs are much more sport bike like than I am used to so I am going to have to learn not to put weight on my hands, I could feel even after a short ride that I was putting too much weight on the grips.

- I am convinced that at some time in the past Honda engineers broke into my house, drugged me, and took my measurements because that bike was clearly designed specifically for me and my frame. The foot controls are in exactly the right spot, the leg cutouts fit just right, everything is just where it should be.

- The bike just freakin' sounds awesome, especially when everything is opened up and cranking. It's like all the best characteristics of an I4 and the best of a V-twin combined together.

All in all I have to say that I am in love with this bike (don't tell my fianc�e), and I am looking forward to many, many miles together.
#2
Something tells me you like the bike? :laugh:

Nice review.

We should go for a ride one of these days - Check the North East section.

Enjoy.

P.S.
Hysteresis?
This is a motorcycle forum for God's sake! :rolleyes:
You know how many people just went looking for the dictionary? :warranty:
Smaller word please... smaller word :laugh:
#3

[image: View Post]tlheidemann, on Sep 30 2008, 08:33 AM, said:

- I don't know what kind of magic sauce Honda put into the suspension on that bike, but I'm sure Geneva convention rules must have been broken in it's development. I could feel every bump, undulation, and seam in the road, but not in bad way at all, it was more like the bike was just letting me know what was going on, for informational purposes only.

- The throttle is very sensitive to the slightest wrist movement. It might have something to do with the bike being about twice as powerful as my old Nighthawk 750, but I could definitely feel the engine responding to even the slightest wrist jostling.

Check your suspension settings and set the sag correctly. That will help a lot but the stock suspension is only "good" at it's best. If you think you're in for a long term romance, I STRONGLY suggest you splurge and update both ends (search).

Welcome to fuel injection bikes or as I like to call it: fuel infection. Manufacturers are going to great lengths to smooth out the throttle abruptness as it's either off or on in digital speak. I found adjusting the throttle free play a little more at the grip helped but eventually you'll retrain your brain. A PC3 helps too.


Welcome to the fold. :fing02:
#4
Teddy, Glad you like it! I have the same reply about my 07 throttle reponse - really sensitive to on/off. Same with having to remind myself to not lean on the hands so much. Overall though, I love it. See ya on Saturday? Check out the Northeast section of Rider Groups for details Catskills ride.
#5

[image: View Post]Rice, on Sep 30 2008, 09:46 AM, said:

P.S.
Hysteresis?
This is a motorcycle forum for God's sake! :rolleyes:
You know how many people just went looking for the dictionary? :warranty:
Smaller word please... smaller word :laugh:

LOL, no dictionary, copy- paste- google is faster :biggrin:

Nice write up, enjoy :fing02:
#6

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I could feel even after a short ride that I was putting too much weight on the grips.

I felt the same way when I got my '03. But with more miles, correcting my posture, a set of GenMar riser, the issue has been eliminated. Enjoy your new bike!
#7
Congrats on the VFR! :) Don't forget to post up a pic of your new baby! :fing02:

+1 on FotoMoto's comments. I'm planning to upgrade my rear shock this off-season, mostly due to the limitation of the OEM shock vs. my higher weight.

FI is a twitchy thing. From closed throttle to open throttle is touchy, but you'll quickly learn to use smaller inputs so you don't loop the bike. :laugh: Open throttle adjustments are much easier, so downshift and keep the rpms up a bit instead of taking corners in higher gears and closing/opening the throttle.

My bike is happy 'cruising' as low as 4k rpm, but in town I run it higher for faster response to get out of a bad spot. On the highway or just cruising down a 2-lane road I'll let it run at 4k-4.5k rpm. But it's also happy running much higher rpms in the twisties! ;)

As for VTEC thing, your bike should transition to VTEC at 6800 or maybe a smidge higher. But it should disengage 'til you get down to around 6400 rpm IIRC. So if you engage it at 6800, rev up to 8k and then drop back down to ~6800, you should still be in VTEC mode.

How many miles on your '02? In my experience, the VTEC transition smooths out with mileage. Around 10k mi. my '04 got smoother. Mine was never terrible in the first place but some bikes are worse than others for some reason. If it's too abrupt now or even after more miles check into buying a DynoJet Power Commander III and oxygen sensor eliminators. I bought these during a group buy 1.5 years ago and finally installed them this summer. Smoothed out the transition even more and I think the bike pulls better from lower on the tach now, too.
#8

[image: View Post]Rice, on Sep 30 2008, 09:46 AM, said:

Something tells me you like the bike? :laugh:

Nice review.

We should go for a ride one of these days - Check the North East section.

Enjoy.

P.S.
Hysteresis?
This is a motorcycle forum for God's sake! :rolleyes:
You know how many people just went looking for the dictionary? :warranty:
Smaller word please... smaller word :laugh:


Sorry. I spend too much time hanging out with engineers.
#9

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Sep 30 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

Teddy, Glad you like it! I have the same reply about my 07 throttle reponse - really sensitive to on/off. Same with having to remind myself to not lean on the hands so much. Overall though, I love it. See ya on Saturday? Check out the Northeast section of Rider Groups for details Catskills ride.

Unfortunately I will be in DC for the weekend at a friend's wedding. Maybe next ride. Gotta get some bags first too...
#10
''As for VTEC thing, your bike should transition to VTEC at 6800 or maybe a smidge higher. But it should disengage 'til you get down to around 6400 rpm IIRC. So if you engage it at 6800, rev up to 8k and then drop back down to ~6800, you should still be in VTEC mode''

The 2002-2005 Vtec's enage and disengage at the same point, 6800.
#11
Congrats, it's always fun to fall in love again isn't it! :rolleyes:

Nice write up and again welcome to VFRD! :fing02:
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