Best Stock Fork Set Up

Any body thats been contemplating upgrading their 6th gen forks, should try this first.


Maxima 10 weight 90 mm oil height preload set at at 5 1/4 turn out from full hard(all the way in)


People pay alot of money and never obtain this quality , its very good.

I'm 201lb nakid 1/4 turn more of less on preload should work either side of that.



Before ya shell out money , try it :biggrin:

For what kind of road surface/condition? For what riding style? How's your sag with that setting?

Lots of questions to ask before someone just goes and tries this - it's more important to set your sag and tune for personal preference & road surface after that.

All I'm really getting from your post is that you like new fork oil...

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 11 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

For what kind of road surface/condition? For what riding style? How's your sag with that setting?

Lots of questions to ask before someone just goes and tries this - it's more important to set your sag and tune for personal preference & road surface after that.

All I'm really getting from your post is that you like new fork oil...

Zeb, I'm confident with my view on the set up (huge benefit over stock), those that are interested will try it, those who arent, wont.

Vfr criticalness of sag is over rated , I set stuff up by feel and effectivness.


This set up is what the bike was meant for, smooth as glass touring, yet soaks post tripple choppy water happily, very very streetable.



This is not just new fork oil, its a new set up, my last one was much better than stock, this one turn an oyster into a Pearl

So you're saying that I wasted my money and time installing Racetech springs and properly setting my sag that my setup is inferior to what you did?

Wow, all these years and learned knowledge of suspension setup just went out the window. :dry:

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Vfr criticalness of sag is over rated , I set stuff up by feel and effectivness.

That line is in the running for best post of the year IMO.

:lurk:

Oh my

[image: View Post]Yosh70, on Oct 11 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

So you're saying that I wasted my money and time installing Racetech springs and properly setting my sag that my setup is inferior to what you did?

Wow, all these years and learned knowledge of suspension setup just went out the window. :dry:

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Vfr criticalness of sag is over rated , I set stuff up by feel and effectivness.

That line is in the running for best post of the year IMO.


I ve had race tech setups, also alot of time setting up my own.

What ever works for ya

Spare a moment to reflect on how this bike's suspension "feels"..... :biggrin:





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[image: View Post]spud786, on Oct 11 2008, 06:08 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Yosh70, on Oct 11 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

So you're saying that I wasted my money and time installing Racetech springs and properly setting my sag that my setup is inferior to what you did?

Wow, all these years and learned knowledge of suspension setup just went out the window. :dry:

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Vfr criticalness of sag is over rated , I set stuff up by feel and effectivness.

That line is in the running for best post of the year IMO.


I ve had race tech setups, also alot of time setting up my own.

What ever works for ya

He's not talking about a full setup, he's talking about springs. Once you ride a bike that's been set up, you don't go back...

I've changed many springs in motorcycles, it changes the whole platform for new round of testing.


I've also utilized after market suspension places after my own testing and changes didnt prove the best I thought it could be.


I dont think you race tech springed guys should get all defensive, I know how good suspension performs, all I'm saying before people shellout $400 for aftermarket for set up , try this.


Thats all, its cheap and effective,


My original front sag was around 32mm , I've not deviated from that area in the last 50,000 miles

You can't fool me! This is an oil thread! :laugh:

[image: View Post]RRW, on Oct 11 2008, 06:45 PM, said:

You can't fool me! This is an oil thread! :laugh:

whats the fastest colour oil?

[image: View Post]timmythecop, on Oct 12 2008, 12:47 AM, said:

[image: View Post]RRW, on Oct 11 2008, 06:45 PM, said:

You can't fool me! This is an oil thread! :laugh:

whats the fastest colour oil?
:offtopic:


You want colors?????






ok you asked...



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[image: View Post]timmythecop, on Oct 11 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

[image: View Post]RRW, on Oct 11 2008, 06:45 PM, said:

You can't fool me! This is an oil thread! :laugh:

whats the fastest colour oil?

Gold not black Timmy. Black is an indicator for change!

I understand what your saying spud. I'll have to do this this winter as I cannot aford race tech springs just yet! I will happen just not now.

Unkjj,

Thats why I posted for those that dont have unlimited budgets, but still need to compete.

RaceTech stickers do not scare me at ALL >G<

I do believe I will try it as well. I have been looking for a way to cheaply and effectivley change the suspension on my 06. As is the only way I can keep up with the ducati guys from my shop is to run them down on the straights and then late brake:(

Just be careful running a lot of preload in front without doing anything in the back, especially when on the gas coming out of corners. The front end will bounce all over the place. Trying to "fool your forks" by increasing the air cushion to simulate a softer spring combined with too much preload still equals a loss of traction, not a competent front end that gives good control and feedback throughout the compression and rebound cycles.

[image: View Post]speedracer2235, on Oct 11 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

I do believe I will try it as well. I have been looking for a way to cheaply and effectivley change the suspension on my 06. As is the only way I can keep up with the ducati guys from my shop is to run them down on the straights and then late brake:(

What most end up doing with stock bike because the suspension blows through the travel so easliy, is run excessive preload to halt the brake dive and bottoming, or blowing through the travel.

This however ruins the cornering performance, cause its too stift on the supple stuff and doesnt corner right, cartridge forks are very sensitive to oil height changes, 5mm can mean a bike that works well and one that doesnt.

Excessive travel of the fork, also makes the rear much worse than it actually is, cause a front thats blowing through the travel, makes the rear end want to kick, especially when running 100 mph whoop sections.

This setup, provides supple accurate handling, dive resistant and soaks everything really well, you'd have to offroad it, to Flaw it IMO

Many of the race tech spring complaints of too stiff for the street, dont exist with this setup, and its pretty Damn good for $8 and your time and elminates all of the stock set up negativity issues.

I cant complain about anything fork wise with this setup , it does it all and its supple, resistive and accurate. With my last setup, i thought that was about the best the stock fork was going to be without throwing money at it (aliitle stiff on stutters) but better than stock, but I was wrong.


Let me know how it do
:biggrin: :biggrin:

[image: View Post]spud786, on Oct 11 2008, 04:57 PM, said:

This set up is what the bike was meant for, smooth as glass touring, yet soaks post tripple choppy water happily, very very streetable.

Does this mean highway??

Trying to "fool your forks" by increasing the air cushion to simulate a softer spring combined with too much preload still equals a loss of traction


zeb , your opposite on the air cushion if talking to me, my set up does not increase the aircushion , it reduces it


Ive done a few cartridge fork setups in the last few decades , I have some knowlege of performance on the matter, I blew through a 12 inch pot sideways, front didnt blink . Does that count>G<


The set up was Maxima 10 weight, 90mm oil height , fork fully bottomed measuring from the top, 5 1/4 turn out on preload from full hard (in) will put the sag in ball park 1/4 turn either way for those on both sides of 200 lb.

Just Noted not to confuse the confusable >G<



Stock oil height is 100 mm (thats actually the aircushion) my set up is 90mm (thats actually the aircushion) which is smaller

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 11 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

[image: View Post]spud786, on Oct 11 2008, 04:57 PM, said:

This set up is what the bike was meant for, smooth as glass touring, yet soaks post tripple choppy water happily, very very streetable.

Does this mean highway??


Zeb, everything from highway to supermoto

Stock oil height is 100mm... more air with only 90mm of oil.

And it's Seb.

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 11 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

Stock oil height is 100mm... more air with only 90mm of oil.

SEB, follow me here


your measuring from the top of the tube to the oil level , 100mm down the length of tube your going through more air than only going 90mm down to the oil level.

Understand :excl: