ATGATT

After doing some work on my bike in preparation for a track day tomorrow I decided to take it for a short spin around the garage at my apartment complex to make sure everything was working right, no loose screws, etc.

It was 80* and humid, so even though I always, always wear all of my gear I decided it wasn't worth the effort for just a ride of a few hundred feet.

Little did I know there was a thick patch of sand right where the parking lot curves...

Well I was only going a few miles an hour, and I didn't go down, but it was too close for comfort.  I wouldn't have been hurt, but it would have ruined the track day I've been obsessively looking forward to for a month.  

The moral of the story:

All the gear all the time really means ALL the gear ALL the time.  


Thought I'd share so my stupidity can be a reminder to us all and help someone else out.

Glad it was only a reminder :fing02:   I like it when we are given a chance to wise up without it Hurting!  I know the feeling I end up ATGATT just to go to the store four blocks away :blush:   But it anything happened.... The best thing I have heard over the years is just run as fast as you can on the asphalt & slide into home....it makes me think :idea3:

If a little sand causes you to crash in an apartment parking lot, your were riding as a danger to the public in an uncontroled manner. Should have been stopped.

Yeah, all the time. One piece with back protector, boots, helmet, gloves all the time! One time got asked are you going on a long trip by another rider, said no and this crazy look I got. Heck most accidents happen within twenty minutes of where you live, go on auto pilot!! Not sure if it's twenty minutes but some radius of home. Read it somewhere and people have confirmed it. Be safe!!

Glad you didn't go down.   :happy:

I'm almost an ATGATT rider - I only lack real riding pants most of the time, wearing jeans or cargo pants instead for most rides.  There have been occasions when I've left the jacket at home during a short run to the store, but I feel naked and very unprotected at those times.  It's almost 'creepy', ya know?  Very uncomfortable feeling.

Have a terrific trackday!!   :fing02:

[image: View Post]spud786, on 03 September 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

If a little sand causes you to crash in an apartment parking lot, your were riding as a danger to the public in an uncontroled manner. Should have been stopped.

Wow.  Harsh.  
First of all, I did not crash, it was just a safety reminder.  This was in my post.

Secondly, though I'm having a hard time actually understanding your sentence, it sounds like you're accusing me of being an unsafe, uncontrolled rider who needs to be stopped.  If having a tire slide out in a deep patch of sand makes me a dangerous rider, then I can think of few people who meet your definition of safe.

Thirdly, I distinctly said I was not going fast, and would not really have been hurt.  Maybe I over-exaggerated any actual danger to make my point, but still.

Finally, you're completely missing the point. This is a reminder for ATGATT regardless of speed, distance, or location. I once watched a Harley rider somehow fall while coming to a stop.  His bike had practically zero forward momentum when he went down, but somehow his (sleeveless) arm got pretty bloody from the asphalt and gravel.

Most of what you said is contrary to what was written in my post.  Either you didn't actually read my post, or twisted my meaning in order to criticize.  I know it's easy to misunderstand things written on the internet, so I will drop this, but I ask that you are a little more careful before criticizing another member.

Sorry, maybe your not as bad,

But I seen this same post so many times

[image: View Post]Ryanme17, on 03 September 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

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The moral of the story:

All the gear all the time really means ALL the gear ALL the time.  


Thought I'd share so my stupidity can be a reminder to us all and help someone else out.

Yep ... nice one mate .... I've been known to do a quick lap around the block during maintenance with  less than optimal personal protection .... I say to myself "what could possibly go wrong?" - if  I'm being honest the answer is probably " lots!" :mellow:

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Thirdly, I distinctly said I was not going fast, and would not really have been hurt.  Maybe I over-exaggerated any actual danger to make my point, but still.

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Ryan, a friend of mine who worked at a local MC dealership was moving a bike from one spot in their lot to another and had a very slow (less than 3 mph) tip over.  He was not wearing any gear and hit his head killing him.   He was nearly 60 years old and an excellent rider having ridden bikes since he was in his teens.  The point of your post was abundantly clear - NEVER get on the bike to move or ride "just a short distance" without your gear in place.  I too on occasion violate my ATGATT rule.   I have just been lucky there have been no bad results.  Thanks for posting up your personal reminder.   :fing02:

[image: View Post]Ryanme17, on 03 September 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

[image: View Post]spud786, on 03 September 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

If a little sand causes you to crash in an apartment parking lot, your were riding as a danger to the public in an uncontroled manner. Should have been stopped.

Wow.  Harsh.  
First of all, I did not crash, it was just a safety reminder.  This was in my post.

Secondly, though I'm having a hard time actually understanding your sentence, it sounds like you're accusing me of being an unsafe, uncontrolled rider who needs to be stopped.  If having a tire slide out in a deep patch of sand makes me a dangerous rider, then I can think of few people who meet your definition of safe.

Thirdly, I distinctly said I was not going fast, and would not really have been hurt.  Maybe I over-exaggerated any actual danger to make my point, but still.

Finally, you're completely missing the point. This is a reminder for ATGATT regardless of speed, distance, or location. I once watched a Harley rider somehow fall while coming to a stop.  His bike had practically zero forward momentum when he went down, but somehow his (sleeveless) arm got pretty bloody from the asphalt and gravel.

Most of what you said is contrary to what was written in my post.  Either you didn't actually read my post, or twisted my meaning in order to criticize.  I know it's easy to misunderstand things written on the internet, so I will drop this, but I ask that you are a little more careful before criticizing another member.

So now I'm REALLY confoosed. :huh:    :unsure:    :wacko:
Do I cancel the 911 call or not???   :squid:    :squid:    :squid:    :wheel:    :rolleyes:    :goofy:

At a bike shop this saturday afternoon......


Guy rides up on his 748 Duc, helmet, shorts, t shirt, flip flops............   ok he is an adult, it is a free country....
But on the pillion seat, a boy, maybe 7yrs old, helmet, shorts t-shirt and sneakers with bright orange, untied laces, hanging over the chain.

So I walk over, point to the laces, guy takes of his helmet and says "my home is only a mile away...."

WTF   :mellow:

[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 04 September 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

At a bike shop this saturday afternoon......


Guy rides up on his 748 Duc, helmet, shorts, t shirt, flip flops............   ok he is an adult, it is a free country....
But on the pillion seat, a boy, maybe 7yrs old, helmet, shorts t-shirt and sneakers with bright orange, untied laces, hanging over the chain.

So I walk over, point to the laces, guy takes of his helmet and says "my home is only a mile away...."

WTF   :mellow:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Three rights make a left.

[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 04 September 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

sneakers with bright orange, untied laces, hanging over the chain.

So I walk over, point to the laces, guy takes of his helmet and says "my home is only a mile away...."

WTF   :mellow:

Perhaps you have found the reason that stats indicate most accidents happen close to home?
Last week I saw a Ninja on an 80kmb/h road with the rider fully geared in leather and what was obviously a child passenger left unprotected except for a helmet. Where is the sense in that? :comp13:    :pissed:

[image: View Post]Olive, on 04 September 2011 - 02:10 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 04 September 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

sneakers with bright orange, untied laces, hanging over the chain.

So I walk over, point to the laces, guy takes of his helmet and says "my home is only a mile away...."

WTF   :mellow:

Perhaps you have found the reason that stats indicate most accidents happen close to home?
Last week I saw a Ninja on an 80kmb/h road with the rider fully geared in leather and what was obviously a child passenger left unprotected except for a helmet. Where is the sense in that? :comp13:    :pissed:
Think it's "Where is the CENTS in that"?

[image: View Post]Ryanme17, on 03 September 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

After doing some work on my bike in preparation for a track day tomorrow I decided to take it for a short spin around the garage at my apartment complex to make sure everything was working right, no loose screws, etc.

It was 80* and humid, so even though I always, always wear all of my gear I decided it wasn't worth the effort for just a ride of a few hundred feet.

Little did I know there was a thick patch of sand right where the parking lot curves...

Well I was only going a few miles an hour, and I didn't go down, but it was too close for comfort.  I wouldn't have been hurt, but it would have ruined the track day I've been obsessively looking forward to for a month.  

The moral of the story:

All the gear all the time really means ALL the gear ALL the time.  


Thought I'd share so my stupidity can be a reminder to us all and help someone else out.



Thank you Ryanme17 for this thread.  I am a 99% ATGATT rider, but I get tempted to take a quick trip now and then without my leg protection.   Living in the epicenter of Harley personal freedom logic, I seldom see any legitimate protective gear on any rider.  In a couple of weeks, 30,000+ bikers will again descend on our rural area to a Harley factory town for the annual Harley Fall Ride.  Sport bike riders will be very rare.  Riders wearing gear will be scoffed and dismissed.  

My point�Even for a rider with 45 years of experience, I can be tempted to ride sans a part of my gear in an environment where gear is seldom considered.  Thanks for sharing your moment of reflection, the timely reminder and your wise words of encouragement.

[image: View Post]Monk, on 04 September 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Olive, on 04 September 2011 - 02:10 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 04 September 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

sneakers with bright orange, untied laces, hanging over the chain.

So I walk over, point to the laces, guy takes of his helmet and says "my home is only a mile away...."

WTF   :mellow:

Perhaps you have found the reason that stats indicate most accidents happen close to home?
Last week I saw a Ninja on an 80kmb/h road with the rider fully geared in leather and what was obviously a child passenger left unprotected except for a helmet. Where is the sense in that? :comp13:    :pissed:
Think it's "Where is the CENTS in that"?

I think thats the thing with kids and gear.  We ride regularly and know that the gear will last us a few years, but kids grow so quick and may only go for a couple of rides with you.
My son is getting to the age where he could go with me, and I'm probably going to put him off for a while yet due to the expense of setting him up properly.

This one has always stuck with me.  Here's a brief description from a 2007 tragedy which occurred in a controlled environment, at a track,  returning from tech inspection:

I just heard from a friend who witnessed the event... early morning at buttonwillow, very cold outside, a rider was just leaving tech inspection when he high sided. the bike landed on his head. the rider was wearing full gear...except for his helmet.

he was airlifted from the track on saturday, jan 21st and then taken off of life support on sunday, the 22nd.

RIP, man.

please, wear your helmet all the time, everyone.

http://www.roadracin.../?article=28007

http://www.southbayr...ead.php?t=37790

[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 04 September 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

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flip flops............  
Are you SURE they weren't clogs, Dutch? :huh:    :491:

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sneakers with bright orange, untied laces, hanging over the chain.
Well, you guys are a little crazy about your football over there... maybe the kid was still up in the clouds after the game and just wasn't thinking right yet.... you know; like the nation believing it will win the World Cup....   :laughing6-hehe:    :woohoo:    :bliss:    :goofy:    :laugh:

WTF   :mellow:

I always look like the Idiot w/ ATGATT ... but I'm not doing it for them, i'm doing it for my family and me!  Though i did break my rule and rode "naked" through the Badlands on my trip to SD this year!
We dress for the fall not the ride per se.

Oh crud...

Many years ago, a friend of mine was warming up my F9R and ran it down pit lane.  He hit the powerband and rolled off, then back on.  The front came up about a foot and his face shrank about two sizes...  He wasn't wearing any gear, but he put the front wheel down without any drama.  It was funny at the time, but not so much any more.

Glenn

[image: View Post]sportrider, on 04 September 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

This one has always stuck with me.  Here's a brief description from a 2007 tragedy which occurred in a controlled environment, at a track,  returning from tech inspection:

I just heard from a friend who witnessed the event... early morning at buttonwillow, very cold outside, a rider was just leaving tech inspection when he high sided. the bike landed on his head. the rider was wearing full gear...except for his helmet.

he was airlifted from the track on saturday, jan 21st and then taken off of life support on sunday, the 22nd.

RIP, man.

please, wear your helmet all the time, everyone.

http://www.roadracin.../?article=28007

http://www.southbayr...ead.php?t=37790