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Total Control Advanced Riding Clinics

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#1

A couple members here have asked about and signed up for classes I will be teaching in Nashville this spring, so I thought I would post up some information in case anyone is interested in taking their riding to the next level!

You can find out more about the Program which is taught all over the U.S., Canada, and in Europe here www.totalcontroltraining.net

I have been teaching all types of motorized recreation for 20 years and have been involved with the Total Control program since 2006.

If you want to know what some others think of the class here are a few reviews for you to check out.

Web Bike World

www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-training/total-control/advanced-riding-clinic.htm

There are good articles and reviews on many forums, here is one from the SV riders

www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98234&highlight=total=control

If any one has questions feel free to ask.

#2

Almost forgot, I will be personally teaching classes:

Instructor Training and Level I in Ashland Virginia on March 30th 2014

Total Control Level II in Georgetown Kentucky on March 31st 2014

Total Control Level I in Nashville Tn. on April 3rd 2014

Total Control Level I in Nashville Tn. on April 4th 2014

Total Control Level II in Nashville Tn. on April 5th 2014

Then I will be teaching some Classes in New York, Toronto Canada, New Hampshire and various other locations throughout the year. (until I run out of vacation days at work!)

#3

I always wondered about trailering a bike with another bike...

But I thinking along the lines of an ST pulling a sportbike... you know, long cruise to get to the twisty good stuff

I did not expect that! Well, good to know it can be done!!!

#4

I will just copy a portion of my post from the introduction thread for David...

"Guys, David has gone out of his way to make sure that MiniCarver, TallCarver and myself are able to attend a couple of days of days of training in Nashville in early April after our March class in Tampa was cancelled.

Even though the Friday class was full he was able to open up another level I class and expand the waiting list for the level II class on Saturday.

I have privately solicited a few more VFRD'ers for the Lee Parks school on April 3 and 5 (April 4 is full) in Nashville but most have work or other obligations. If anyone can get away for the level I class on Thursday I hope you decide to join us. Many of you here could probably just jump to the Saturday class but either way I highly recommend David as he been great to work with.

Keith"

my bad, you need to have completed Total Control Level I as a prerequisite for Level II.

#5

Added it to my calendar... don't know if I can make it, but I will try. I wanted to attend this same class in Springfield, MO a few years back with Rod from AR but it was canceled.

Nashville is a GREAT town and my old stompin' grounds... this'll give me a good excuse to return. Some AWESOME roads in that area for a full Saturday of riding between the two classes... just ask BR!

#6

Hope you can make it Rush, the level I class is on Thursday and the level II class is Saturday. David will be riding home to New York on Sunday.

I am sure we can weasel a couple of good ride routes out of BR if he can't join us on Friday between classes. Me and the boys will definitely be going out for a ride to practice our level I curriculum.

Our group has reservations at the Hampton Inn in Goodlettsville.

The place I usually stay for business in Nashville is $40 more night than usual...maybe something going on there that week/weekend?

#7

Everyone has to complete Level I before taking Level II, NONE of this stuff is basic, and everything in Level II builds on what we do in Level I so it is important.

As for the Nashville Area there are some great roads and great riding, I have been down to Nashville the last three years and have managed to get out and do some riding on several of my bikes.including riding the "Trace" on the VFR during the "Goverment shut done LOL A federal Highway that is all curves and that week there was NO ONE to patrol it! What a great day.

#8

I had the opportunity to complete Levels 1 and 2 in the Toronto area, with David as one of my instructors.

For me, it was a terrific experience. I would offer two pieces of advice.

1. I found it beneficial, though it is not mandatory, to have read Lee Parks Total Control before attending the classes. It is the

book that the course is based upon.

2. Just relax and have a good time. The techniques are sound, and the instructors are there to help. Riders in my groups learned things about their riding they weren't even aware of.

Above all, enjoy the experience!

#9

Thanks Jimmer, The Pic with the Vmax towing the Trailer was at the The Toronto Training Site!

#10
OutlawsJustice

Everyone has to complete Level I before taking Level II, NONE of this stuff is basic, and everything in Level II builds on what we do in Level I so it is important.

As for the Nashville Area there are some great roads and great riding, I have been down to Nashville the last three years and have managed to get out and do some riding on several of my bikes.including riding the "Trace" on the VFR during the "Goverment shut done LOL A federal Highway that is all curves and that week there was NO ONE to patrol it! What a great day.

The Trace is one of my favorite roads... the only downside is the North end is heavily patrolled, especially on the weekends. To have a week with no Park Rangers... OMG, I would be in heaven!!!

You can ride that road forever and never hit a stop sign or a light... you'll run out of gas heading South before you have to stop.

#11

Pray for another Govt. Shutdown then you can ride like the wind.

#12
Rush2112
OutlawsJustice

Everyone has to complete Level I before taking Level II, NONE of this stuff is basic, and everything in Level II builds on what we do in Level I so it is important.

As for the Nashville Area there are some great roads and great riding, I have been down to Nashville the last three years and have managed to get out and do some riding on several of my bikes.including riding the "Trace" on the VFR during the "Goverment shut done LOL A federal Highway that is all curves and that week there was NO ONE to patrol it! What a great day.

The Trace is one of my favorite roads... the only downside is the North end is heavily patrolled, especially on the weekends. To have a week with no Park Rangers... OMG, I would be in heaven!!!

You can ride that road forever and never hit a stop sign or a light... you'll run out of gas heading South before you have to stop.

Ridden it 3 times and it was full of rangers ..

#13

I have also taken levels 1 and 2 in Toronto with David as an instructor for level 1. I walked away from level 1 with a new found love for my VFR and level 2 with a much higher level of confidence and control that I later used at the California Superbike School. I will be back in the spring to complete the "refresher" course they offer to keep my skills sharp and set me up for riding after a long a cold winter.

#14

Sorry I missed your Level II, I was scheduled to teach every class in Toronto, but had some problems last season and had to swap out a few. Trying to schedule so as that is not an issue this season! I like to come up a day early and bring the dirt bike and stop off at the Ganaraska Forest as well for some fun riding! I even took a Trails bike class last year while up there!

Let folks know we have the full 2014 schedule up on the Sharp Rider web site for Toronto!

#15
Rush2112
OutlawsJustice

Everyone has to complete Level I before taking Level II, NONE of this stuff is basic, and everything in Level II builds on what we do in Level I so it is important.

As for the Nashville Area there are some great roads and great riding, I have been down to Nashville the last three years and have managed to get out and do some riding on several of my bikes.including riding the "Trace" on the VFR during the "Goverment shut done LOL A federal Highway that is all curves and that week there was NO ONE to patrol it! What a great day.

The Trace is one of my favorite roads... the only downside is the North end is heavily patrolled, especially on the weekends. To have a week with no Park Rangers... OMG, I would be in heaven!!!

You can ride that road forever and never hit a stop sign or a light... you'll run out of gas heading South before you have to stop.

I'll admit that the Natchez Trace is a beautiful ride with long sweepers and a must see. The tighter stuff is on the north end and the Park Rangers know it. If you get pulled over on the Trace, you will get a ticket and a hefty one from what I'm told. The Trace gets busy when the weather is warm (especially weekends) with caging sight seeing and many bicyclists so be aware. 50 mph is the maximum posted speed limit for most of the Trace. (it's over 400 miles long) Most of it is posted at 40 mph....just letting you know.

There are other roads around here however. :goofy:

Damn, I would love to do this but I doubt I have the money to do the Total Control class while it's here in April. I feel I can get more out of it than a more expensive track day.

#16

I now have two classes scheduled right here in my hometown for 2014! I will be offering two classes limited to six students each.

Sunday May 4th Start time at 8:00

Saturday July 19th with a start time of 8:00

The Classes are being held in conjunction with B.O.C.E.S. here in Watertown and you can get more information or sign up through B.O.C.E.S. by contacting

Georgia D. Dusckas, Ed.D.

Supervisor of Adult and Continuing Education

Jefferson-Lewis BOCES

20104 State Route 3

Watertown, NY 13601

(315) 779-7224

www.bocesadulted.com

#17

Less than a month left! Anyone who is interested and has not yet gotten signed up should do so soon! (For the Georgetown and Nashville Classes) you still have time for the New York and Canadian Classes!

#18

will be loading the bikes into the trailer to head south on saturday, I really need to get away from the snow for a few days! It will also be nice to be someplace where the temps are above freezing!

#19

Weather is looking friendly in NashVegas next Tuesday...sunny and 72...we will be rolling in on Wednesday.

Looking forward to meeting you.

#20

Suppossed to be nice for Monday in Kentucky as well, I will be rolling in there on Sunday, heading to Nashville on Tuesday! Have a safe trip

#21

Hey pm me the address for the class tomorrow morning. We just arrived in the area and I forgot to write it down from your email a couple of months ago...

Thanks, keith

#22

Never mind, I was able to search my old emails here at dinner.

See you at 8 in the rain. :-)

#23

Oh my. I've been wanting to take this class for years. Poughkeepsie isn't too far from me...

#24

Come on Keith, Lets here from you and the boys! :-)

#26

They all survived! although it did take Keith a whole day to just learn to use the throttle.

#28

WAY harder than most riders even know, sounds easy, and then they show up to class, LOL

#29

We are tired! The boys have sore legs and backsides. We rode about 600 miles yesterday to practice what we learned and none of it on the highway until we hit GA 400 in Gainesville GA...about 98 miles from home.

My cheeks are sore from smiling at their joy and excitement from their improved riding skills! The Bluetooth helmet connectors are priceless as they critique each other and me on riding position, premature initiation of the flop, throttle control and even trail braking.

You could tell this was not David's first rodeo as an instructor and even though he could have used my technique for almost any of the "bad rider" portions of the demo on the range, he was so good that he actually "rode wrong" and then demonstrated the correct technique as well.

We used the off day on Friday to get in about 200 miles on unknown roads leading north from Nashville into Kentucky and back. This allowed us the opportunity to practice the level l stuff. I would have preferred about a month between classes but only because I have so many years of bad habits that it was tough to put it all together on the range in time for level II the following day.

Stephen (TallCarver) would have won most improved rider were such an award given but I saw some guys who may have had their life saved by this instruction. Guys who were pushing the bike down under them and eating up all of their lean angle by riding crossed up. Guys who were afraid to use the brake into (or past) the apex of a turn to avoid an object in the road, guys who initially practiced their "EMERGENCY!" stops as though they were in a grocery store parking lot toodling along at 6-9 mph...

We all know how docile the VFR is with barely 100HP at the wheel and an extra 100-150 lbs compared to the RR bikes so it is hard to get in real trouble being ham fisted with the throttle and for those of us who have ridden any off road it is fun to slide the front (a little!) and even more fun to try and spin up the rear on the VFR when on the side of the tire to make the amazing tires available to us look like bubble gum on the edges. In so doing the past several years I have developed some really bad throttle habits to go along with my lazy riding position posture which means that even though I have spent what a used VFR would cost on my suspension, that even it was overmatched by my ham-fisted throttle and chassis changing transitions.

That being said, I did not expect to be challenged in level I. I was looking forward to watching the boys progress and to me dusting off the rust from slowing down and helping the boys learn the past several years. I thought I was an okay rider.

VFROne (who you all remember from TexasMac last year when he "won" the green jersey) sent a text asking what we learned on day one. Stephen replied "How to use the throttle." Vadis returned with "Throttle - like maintenance throttle?" Stephen replied, "No. Just how to use the throttle." It is difficult to convey how the first range drills of throttle and braking were not boring but if you have ever tried to master something that seems so simple but in reality is something that you must practice constantly to even appear competent then you are getting close.

That is what makes this course a must for everyone who wants to be a safer or faster rider. You cannot be faster or safer if you are eating up all of your lean angle with bad body positioning and if you do not know how to keep the chassis settled while throttling up or braking. Don't even get me started on how much fun it is to consistently loft the rear wheel on linked brake VFR and the confidence that comes with knowing how much speed you can actually scrub off in an emergency to come to a stop or slow enough to avoid an obstacle.

Going into this event I hoped that the boys would get a great deal from it and I would enjoy their growth. It exceeded every expectation that I had. I wish they had this course 20 years ago! It is very well developed as each class section is built upon on the range and the big picture is brought into focus by the links that the instructors provide on the course with immediate feedback on areas of improvement. If you are already a competent rider then your critique after an exercise may be a simple, "reposition your foot prior to initiating the turn." If you are more raw then you may be instructed in how to move your hips to open your shoulders and allow your head/shoulders to lead you into the turn. It doesn't matter where your riding skills fall on the spectrum you can be a better rider after taking and applying this instruction.

If you worry whether or not you are a good enough rider to make improvements from this class don't. If you have a year or two under your belt (I believe that Lee Parks calls for 3,000 miles of experience) you probably have not learned all of the bad habits that many more experienced riders have and you could prevent the kind of unnecessary accidents that we all see drive motorcyclists away from the sport we love.

If you are an experienced rider and pretty fast within your normal ride group this is much better than a track day for sharpening the skills you need to stay safe and have fun on the track or street. For my next event I am looking for a Total Control track day where each corner worker is a TC instructor and your feedback is much better than from track day groups or peers.

If you have a course being offered anywhere near you this year you should make whatever adjustments to your schedule necessary to attend. I know I will be back in the future for a refresher.

Many thanks to Brandon of www.Nashvilleriders.com and our instructors David and Rick. The last hour of day two was much more than fun anyone can imagine having in a parking lot on a motorcycle.

All of the photos of the groups are up at Brandon's website listed above but here are few to illustrate the improvement, bear in mind that even the "before" pics were taken on the afternoon of day one after several hours of class and riding instruction had already started to have an impact.

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A couple of Stephen

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including most improved rider..

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... of MiniCarver

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Looking way through the corner

And for the old man...

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Can anyone see the invisible tank bag keeping my head and shoulders so high?

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This is on the way down...after a completed stop my feet are off the pegs reaching for the pavement. Not proper form, should have kept my knees in tight to grip the tank and my feet on the pegs...

#30

Sounds like a good time! Guess this means I won't be stuck riding lead all the time anymore :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Bikes look great, BTW :cool:

#31

Ohhh what a great time! Like CC already said, they start you out with learning how to use a throttle... from which my right hand is STILL sore through hours of those slight, acute throttle movements.

Each time you learn something, or have previous knowledge and understanding redefined in the classroom, you take the lessons out to the range to practice. Everybody, no matter how many thousands of miles they've ridden, needed several attempts to get the "thumbs up" from David or Rick to let you know you're getting it.

My confidence grew with each lesson and range exercise until the TC Solo, the last exercise of Total Control Level 2.

My First trip in, I blew the tight decreasing radius corner which messed me up for the dounle left hander into the figure eight.

Second time through, I lost my throttle and my bike dove in hard and upset my suspension... which is what you've been learning through the lessons and almost all previous exercises to never do.

Third time through, I remind myself that "I can handle it if I drop my bike in the parking lot."

The class really does remove all fear of a crash. It is controlled and tight with immediate feedback.

I got smoother and stronger and felt greater control as the bike became part of me throughought the experience.

By the end, my knee was a fraction of an inch from the parking lot as my peg feeler scraped.

David, thanks so much for being a part of Total Control and our enhanced riding experience. Boy did we have a blast heading home.

#32

Check that stoppie! There was a bigger one than that.

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#33
KevCarver

Sounds like a good time! Guess this means I won't be stuck riding lead all the time anymore :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Bikes look great, BTW :cool:

Kev, wish you could have joined us.

I am guessing I wont be leading much anymore...it really screws up my lines when I keep looking in my mirrors to admire their new form and make sure they are still safe.

We found an excellent road on the way home from Nashville but it is too far to reach from T-Mac...can hardly wait to see your 5G soon.

#34
CornerCarver
KevCarver

Sounds like a good time! Guess this means I won't be stuck riding lead all the time anymore :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Bikes look great, BTW :cool:

Kev, wish you could have joined us.

I am guessing I wont be leading much anymore...it really screws up my lines when I keep looking in my mirrors to admire their new form and make sure they are still safe.

We found an excellent road on the way home from Nashville but it is too far to reach from T-Mac...can hardly wait to see your 5G soon.

What road from Nashville? We will be heading out from there to TMAC... besides I always like to find new great roads!

#35

Probably south west of Nashville and or Natchez Trace Parkway.

16 or 166, 203 ? Bell Buckle ?

#36

Thanks to all those that attended the classes including the four VFR riders! It was my pleasure working with guys and sharing the tips, hints that are the keys to "Be Smooth" I will be back to Kentucky in July and back to Nashville in October!

#37
Rush2112
CornerCarver
KevCarver

Sounds like a good time! Guess this means I won't be stuck riding lead all the time anymore :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Bikes look great, BTW :cool:

Kev, wish you could have joined us.

I am guessing I wont be leading much anymore...it really screws up my lines when I keep looking in my mirrors to admire their new form and make sure they are still safe.

We found an excellent road on the way home from Nashville but it is too far to reach from T-Mac...can hardly wait to see your 5G soon.

What road from Nashville? We will be heading out from there to TMAC... besides I always like to find new great roads!

see if this link works https://www.google.com/maps/dir/35.7115979,-85.6994015/35.5123552,-84.7951477/@35.5854961,-85.2765686,11z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-85.2037894!2d35.6485893!3s0x8860b75925fdf023:0x6de90be4e7c7d401!1m0!3e0

...haven't found a better way to get there but the road goes from McMinnville to Dayton...Hwy 30 and was suggested to me by a classmate in Nashville who was from the area.

#39

Nice! Thanks CC... I had mapped that road as part of my route to TMAC when I lived in TN but I got a new job, transferred, and never got a chance to ride it... good to know, I'll keep that one in my pocket for future use!

#40

No problem it dropped us out in Athens where we took 310? or something over to Tellico Plains and then rode the Cherohala up to the NC state line and turned and headed down 68/60 to home.

#41

Anyone in New York want to take the Class? I have two Level I classes both limited to six students scheduled for this year! Let me know maybe we can do some riding after class as well!

#42

No classes in Georgia? Damn........ :mad: I've got the book, but never been able to make it to a class.

#43

I would love to do it. Where in NY, Poughkeepsie? I will have to see if the funding is available....

#44
y2kvfr

I would love to do it. Where in NY, Poughkeepsie? I will have to see if the funding is available....

I have taught there, but no, the classes I have scheduled are up here in Watertown, 30 minutes off the canadian Border, 60 minutes North of Syracuse

wera803

No classes in Georgia? Damn........ :mad: I've got the book, but never been able to make it to a class.

You should have ridden up with the other guys and gals to the most recent classes!

#45

Crud. Was hoping for more local. Been to Ft. Drum a number of times (former infantry)

#46
OutlawsJustice
wera803

No classes in Georgia? Damn........ :mad: I've got the book, but never been able to make it to a class.

You should have ridden up with the other guys and gals to the most recent classes!

Hanging out with the Carver clan would have been icing on the cake for the class, but I had other commitments that I couldn't change.

#47

Well there is always the fall! I plan to be back in Nashville in October, More perfect riding weather! make your plans now!

#48
OutlawsJustice

Well there is always the fall! I plan to be back in Nashville in October, More perfect riding weather! make your plans now!

When will that be added to the schedule? I don't currently see it listed.

#49

As soon as I get to it! LOL I currently have it on my schedule for October 3rd and 4th, I have not put it up yet, as we are waiting to see if we still have use of the site we use for training.

#50

The Spring Classes in kentucky and Nashville went so well that Bill at Balanced Dynamics Motorcycle Training Center Has asked me to make the trip back in July for Classes on July 12th and 13th. So if anyone is interested I will be there to Do Classes! Should be a great time so sign up ealry as I need to make my plans, it is an 800 mile ride each way for me!

#51

(sigh) I completely forgot about this. I didn't have the money to take the class but would have been nice to meet you folks. I'll set my sights on taking the October class. I sure could use this.

The "Trace" is a nice very scenic road and is close to me BUT there are other not so traveled fun roads around here with less LEO's

:goofy:

#52

So anyone one coming to the July 12th or 13th level I classes in Georgetown Kentucky?

#53

David, Any update on the October class yet?

The boys and I are doing a track day in SC this weekend and I want to try to bring some more people for Total Control the next time you are in the area.

Keith

#54

We are planning for October 3rd and 4th, still waiting to hear back if we can use the lot or need to find a new location.

Heading out Friday Morning for the 12 hour ride to georgetown Kentucky. I will be there for Level I and II this weekend.

#55

Can you give me a week or two to try and sell it out with VFR's before you post the dates to the public? :wink:

#56

Sure, I will keep the dates under wraps for the next couple weeks. So keep me posted!

#57

I would like to do the nashville classes if space is available.

#58
OutlawsJustice

Sure, I will keep the dates under wraps for the next couple weeks. So keep me posted!

when are the next Nashville classes?

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#59
Rush2112
OutlawsJustice

Sure, I will keep the dates under wraps for the next couple weeks. So keep me posted!

when are the next Nashville classes?

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October 3rd and 4th, but it's suppossed to be a secret to give the VFR guys a chance first before it opens to the public! So whos in?

#60

Me for sure... :tour:

#61
OutlawsJustice
Rush2112
OutlawsJustice

Sure, I will keep the dates under wraps for the next couple weeks. So keep me posted!

when are the next Nashville classes?

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October 3rd and 4th, but it's suppossed to be a secret to give the VFR guys a chance first before it opens to the public! So whos in?

Friday & Saturday?

Morning start on Friday may make it tough to attend....

#62

Nashville in October? I may be interested, cost? And am I understanding this to be a TC level 1 and TC level 2?

#63

As it stands right now it is a Level I on Friday and a Level II on Saturday. Level I is required before attneding Level II, but you do not have to attend Level II. You can Take Level I only or both, Some people like to put time between the classes, some like them back to back.

Start times are needed, we have a lot to cover and it takes ALL DAY! I will be riding in From NY so I will have about a 15 hour trip to make the classes!

#64
OutlawsJustice

As it stands right now it is a Level I on Friday and a Level II on Saturday. Level I is required before attneding Level II, but you do not have to attend Level II. You can Take Level I only or both, Some people like to put time between the classes, some like them back to back.

Start times are needed, we have a lot to cover and it takes ALL DAY! I will be riding in From NY so I will have about a 15 hour trip to make the classes!

OK, you got me beat... I'm only coming from STL

I put it on my calendar so I'll have to see if I can get two days off or maybe a late night ride down on Thurs PM

#65

All you guys who want to ride faster or safer (or both) really need to pencil whip your schedule and attend:

David is a very good instructor who also owns a 3rd gen among his menagerie of motorcycles.

I will add a few of pics of 3 of his graduates from Aptil of this year at a track day weekend when I get back to my desk.

#66

You really are spending too much time away from your desk.

I'm a maybe at this point. Wanting to and making it happen are just two different things.

#67

David is giving VFR'ers first crack at this class.

He keeps the student/teacher ratio at 6/1 so we need few more "definitely's" before he posts this to his website early next week.

I may head there for the Saturday class if enough of you show and buy lunch for everyone so I can get on the range....

#68

This is the link to register

http://www.nashvilleriders.com/index.php/total-control-registration-sp-750601465

As for bikes hard times forced me to sell a few of my bikes, but I have the VFR still in the stable.

Bikes sold in the last two years include my 1985 Honda Nighthawk-S, 1989 Honda CB1, and my 1990 Honda Hawk GT. All bikes that were hard to watch go. I did use my VFR to coach the Novice group at a track day this year!


Details

You must have completed Level I to be able to enroll for level II. If you need more details on what to bring to the class, what to wear or how to prepare you motorcycle please visit the Total Control Website at www.totalcontroltraining.net

I would like to take a moment to thank those local riders and members of the Nashville riders who have worked to make this class possible. Without the help and dedication of these riders we would not have the opportunity to bring this class to you! There is also a forums section on their website that can give you more details and information located at www.nashvilleriders.com

Location:
The location where we will meet up and have the classroom portion of the course will be held at:

UnCommon Grounds Coffee Shop
1053 Donelson Ave, Old Hickory, TN 37138

The "range" where we will be riding is the parking lot area behind the coffee shop across the street from the Old Hickory Community Center.

Total Control Course details
Time:
Course will start at 8:00 am for all class dates.
and will run until about 5:00 pm.

Payment and Deadline: Cost of the Class for this Location is $300 for Level I and $300 for Level II. If you have not already paid for your class, please take note that we need to make sure that payment (or arrangement for payment) needs to be received by the instructor before your spot in the class is confirmed. We have limited space available as the number of students registered determine what we can do. With one instructor we are limited to six students each day, so don't wait to confirm your spot. We will be creating a waiting list once the classes are full and determine if we need to or can add a second instructor to increase class size. David can be contacted via email at 92vmax@imcnet.net or by PM here on the forum!

#69

I'd like for my GF and I to both take it, but that is $1200 plus hotel, travel, etc. so probably $1500 in the end. We'll have I talk about it this weekend.

#70
wera803

I'd like for my GF and I to both take it, but that is $1200 plus hotel, travel, etc. so probably $1500 in the end. We'll have I talk about it this weekend.

You do not have to take both classes. I have a lot of folks just take Level I, then Come back for the next classes and take the Level II. Sometimes it is nice to have a break between the classes. Steve and the boys got a day between thier classes to go out and ride and practice, for them that worked. I do know that due to travel, and time sometimes getting them together is better. Also we normally charge $575 if you do both. Still a lot of you are talking about two people.

#71

For anyone in New York or also on the Canadian Side of the border I now am teaching classes in Watertown New York. Limited to Six students. The next Class is August 9th, don't miss your chance, only two classes left for this year here. This is my own back yard!

The Total Control Advanced Riding Classes are now being offered right here in Watertown New York. These advanced riding classes are offered all over the U.S. Canada, and Europe and now you can take your riding skills to the next level right here in Watertown. The Classes are based on the material found in the No.1 best Selling book "Total Control" by Lee Parks.

The Tentative dates for the Classes here are:

Saturday July 19th with a start time of 8:00
Saturday August 9th with a start time of 8:00
Saturday September 6th with a start time of 8:00

These one day classes are limited to 6 students each so don't wait as classes do fill up fast and currently these are the only classes scheduled for Watertown this season.

The Classes are being held in Conjunction with B.O.C.E.S here in Watertown and you can get more details or sign up through B.O.C.E.S by contacting:

Georgia D. Dusckas, Ed.D.
Supervisor of Adult and Continuing Education
Jefferson-Lewis BOCES
20104 State Route 3
Watertown, NY 13601
(315) 779-7224
www.bocesadulted.com

You can find out more about the program, what it covers what you can expect etc, by visiting the web site at http://www.totalcontroltraining.net

I would encourage you to try it, or talk to a few people who have. There are many reviews out there, here are a few.

We Bike World
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-training/total-control/advanced-riding-clinic.htm

SVriders Forum (Great write up)

http://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98234&highlight=total+control

You can see some reviews from the Total Control Site
http://www.totalcontroltraining.net/HTML/Reviews.html

#73

Thanks for posting all the great info.

Closest to us here on the West coast of Canada is the flat lands of Edmonton AB.

Been wanting to take a course for years. I'll have to order a book, then watch for scheduled schools.

Perhaps heading down to Olympia WA might be a better option.

#74
didit

Thanks for posting all the great info.

Closest to us here on the West coast of Canada is the flat lands of Edmonton AB.

Been wanting to take a course for years. I'll have to order a book, then watch for scheduled schools.

Perhaps heading down to Olympia WA might be a better option.

Well I cannot be everywhere! (I would like that) so for now I am sticking to the east coast. I am teaching in Toronto, New York, New hampshire, Kentucky, and Tenneesee. So who is coming to class in Watertowm NY or Nashville Tn?

#75

So who is in for the nashville Classes in October? Spots are filling fast, already have 5 spots filled for Level I and 7 spots filled for Level II.

Make your plans and get signed up SOON!

#77
JeffInFranklinTN

How many spots are left for level 1?

Depending on who has signed up since David posted above you but classes are limited to 6 per instructor so if you are #6 and no one else wants to attend David would do level by himself and bring in another instructor for level 2 as they are already over the limit of 6.

PM David to see if someone has already poached that last level 1 spot

I have to agree with Graddus post in the "knee down" thread about all classes being only as good as the instructor and David is a known good instructor so I would jump on this if you have the chance.

#78

Okay!! I'm in!! (I think) Just registered and money sent. Waiting for reply. :biggrin:

#79
JeffInFranklinTN

Okay!! I'm in!! (I think) Just registered and money sent. Waiting for reply. :biggrin:

You are all set for Level I, Anyone else?

#80

Wish I could. Maybe in the spring with some tax refund money.

#81
OutlawsJustice
JeffInFranklinTN

Okay!! I'm in!! (I think) Just registered and money sent. Waiting for reply. :biggrin:

You are all set for Level I, Anyone else?

Excellent!! See y'all in a few weeks. :)
#82
OutlawsJustice
JeffInFranklinTN

Okay!! I'm in!! (I think) Just registered and money sent. Waiting for reply. [image: emoji3.png]

You are all set for Level I, Anyone else?

Are there any level 1 slots left?

IIRC, 1 must be taken before level 2... no exceptions, correct?

#83

Correct. Send OutlawsJustice (David) a PM.

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#84

We do still have spots in both classes, waiting to comfirm current numbers, And get a second instructor confirmed.

#85

We are on the bubble, so the class is full for one instructor, Today is the final chance to sign up and attend the October 3rd or 4th classes in nashville.

After today these classes will be locked out since there will not be time to schedule a second instructor.

#86

David when will you be back in Tennessee with level 1 classes?

#87

Heading out Tomorrow Night! Currently the classes for this weekend are full, and Plans are to be back in the Spring, usually late March / Early April. But all that depends on if we still have a place to hold the classes, our lot we have been using is sold and might be under development by spring, only time will tell.

#88
JeffInFranklinTN
OutlawsJustice
JeffInFranklinTN

Okay!! I'm in!! (I think) Just registered and money sent. Waiting for reply. :biggrin:

You are all set for Level I, Anyone else?

Excellent!! See y'all in a few weeks. :)

So Jeff, did you make it home ok? You really locked it all together by the end of the day!

#89

Hi David,

Yep, after the class I met up with my girlfriend and her kids in Hendersonville for her birthday dinner at Cracker Barrel. From there it was dark, wet and WINDY but made it home safe. Thanks for the class David. I enjoyed it. You probably noticed my sleepiness (I apologize) I was up late fixing a problem with the bike. I assume you have made it back home by now?

Jeff

#90

Drove through the night. Got home at lunch time on Sunday

#91

If that were me, I would have slept until Monday morning

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#92

Well we have been working hard (Since loosing our training site) to get back on track. We are looking at holding classes in the Fall, Maybe early October, Post up if you are interested! I will be flying in from California.

#93

Definitely interested but when and where are big factors in my ability to attend.

#94

How did you lose your site? Buried in the winter storms?

#95

Property was sold to a developer, so we are working with an existing training provider to offer Total Control Classes now. Classes will be in the greater Nashville Area.

#96

Nashville is doable...

#97

Hi David, Do you know who will be teaching the June class in Sacramento?

#98

Yes, It will be Earl and Colleen. They are both Trainers for our MTC program as well.

#99

Great News! East Coast and West Coast!

I am teaching the Total Control Classes in Nashville on October 3rd and 4th. I think there is still one open slot on the 3rd and two open slots on the 4th. if you want one of the last couple spots for Nashville sign up at www.nashvilleriders.com

I am also teaching some Classes in September at Mt. SAC (Walnut California) There are still a couple slots open for each day. Hit up the web site at www.totalcontroltraining.net for the CA classes

#100

OJ et al,

I am looking for something I read and wonder if it rings a bell. I think it was in one of the preeminent sport bike books by Code or Condon or such. I actually took notes, but in what I consider a grave sin, I lost the notes.

The topic was chicanes or multiple linked turns. It read something like: "The fastest route through multiple turns is different from the fastest route through each individual turns." I think it showed diagrams of how one would handle each turn individually, and then it showed the correct path for linking all of those same turns.

I read back through Total Control 2, and while it touched on this, it was not as detailed as the article I am remembering. I cannot get my hands on TC1 and wonder if it was in there, or maybe something else?

Alternatively, if you know of samples diagrams illustrating this concept, I would be grateful if you could point me to a resource.

#101
Knight

OJ et al,

I am looking for something I read and wonder if it rings a bell. I think it was in one of the preeminent sport bike books by Code or Condon or such. I actually took notes, but in what I consider a grave sin, I lost the notes.

The topic was chicanes or multiple linked turns. It read something like: "The fastest route through multiple turns is different from the fastest route through each individual turns." I think it showed diagrams of how one would handle each turn individually, and then it showed the correct path for linking all of those same turns.

I read back through Total Control 2, and while it touched on this, it was not as detailed as the article I am remembering. I cannot get my hands on TC1 and wonder if it was in there, or maybe something else?

Alternatively, if you know of samples diagrams illustrating this concept, I would be grateful if you could point me to a resource.

I will see what I can find. I have most of the books you mentioned.

#102

I am contemplating taking the Total Control class(es) this year and have a couple questions for anyone in the know:

1) Would the Level 1 class be too advanced and race-oriented for a casual rider with, say, 15,000 miles of riding experience but no track time or formal training?

2) Would you recommend a period of reflection and practice between the Level 1 and Level 2 classes, or would you recommend taking them back-to-back on the same weekend?

#103
10 minutes ago, RobF

I am contemplating taking the Total Control class(es) this year and have a couple questions for anyone in the know:

1) Would the Level 1 class be too advanced and race-oriented for a casual rider with, say, 15,000 miles of riding experience but no track time or formal training?

2) Would you recommend a period of reflection and practice between the Level 1 and Level 2 classes, or would you recommend taking them back-to-back on the same weekend?

1. You are the target audience for the Total Control Level I class. The class will give you many great skills to help make you a better and more skilled rider, Check put some of the reviews from members here and on other forums.

2. Personally if it was me I would Take the Level I and then ride and practice for awhile prior to taking level II. You can do them back to back and I know Corner Carver and Family took them with a one day break in-between. That can work but it really comes down to you as a student and how you digest and learn, How much you can absorb etc.

#104
RobF, 5/12/2016 at 10:42 PM

I am contemplating taking the Total Control class(es) this year and have a couple questions for anyone in the know:

1) Would the Level 1 class be too advanced and race-oriented for a casual rider with, say, 15,000 miles of riding experience but no track time or formal training?

2) Would you recommend a period of reflection and practice between the Level 1 and Level 2 classes, or would you recommend taking them back-to-back on the same weekend?

Rob, Good questions all.  Full disclosure, I have recently completed the Total Control Instructor training...

Total Control requires that you have 3,000 miles on a bike before attending the class.  It is not too advanced and since it is conducted in a parking lot (on a painted range for the drills) it is definitely not too race oriented. 

I did the class with my two sons a few years ago and we had one day between Level 1 and Level 2 as the Level 2 class the day following our Level 1 was sold out before we registered.  It worked out okay because we spent the off day exploring from our Nashville area hotel north into Kentucky and critiquing each other via the blue tooth on our learnings from previous day.  If you have partner to share the off day with exploring I would recommend taking a day between if schedule permits,

That being said, the Total Control Solo range course that is set up to bring it all together at the end of day 2 is the most fun I have had in a parking lot since prom night (and that was a loooong time ago).

Get the book and read up before attending and you will get much more from the class than if you go in cold.

PM me if you have additional questions. 

#105

I see David responded while I was drafting my response....I agree that it depends on how much you can absorb when learning and I would only take both classes the same week if I had read the book a couple of times and was ready to apply the principals.


If you don't read the book first you will get as much from the class as you can put into and absorb over the period of the day.

#106

I really enjoyed the class and found it very good for the everyday street rider. In fact fellow VFRD member Mk2Davis was in the same class. We had a blast!

#107

I pulled the trigger on this and signed up for the Level 1 class on September 10 with Puget Sound Safety in Olympia.

https://pugetsoundsafety.com/riding/street/tct

If any other VFRD folks in the OR/WA area have been thinking of doing something similar, but were waiting for at least one guy who was older and/or slower than them to sign up, don't miss this opportunity. I'll be there.

#108
22 hours ago, RobF

I pulled the trigger on this and signed up for the Level 1 class on September 10 with Puget Sound Safety in Olympia.

https://pugetsoundsafety.com/riding/street/tct

If any other VFRD folks in the OR/WA area have been thinking of doing something similar, but were waiting for at least one guy who was older and/or slower than them to sign up, don't miss this opportunity. I'll be there.

Let me know how it goes, I will be up there later this year myself.

#110

Cornercarver Will you be running any classes in the Atlanta area?? Would love to take a class but VA. and TN. are to far away for me in FL. Unless you can recommend other training in my area. Thanks. 

#111
13 hours ago, OutlawsJustice

If anyone is interested I will personally be teaching a Total Control Level I in Camarillo CA on July 23rd. Still a couple spots of open if anyone is in the region.

You can find the link to register for the class here  http://www.totalcontroltraining.net/HTML/Schedule.html

I have already taken the course but maybe I can stop by and say hello, if that's allowed?

#112
1 hour ago, Duc2V4

I have already taken the course but maybe I can stop by and say hello, if that's allowed?

I always love to have everyone stop by classes to say hello! This site might be a little challenging as it is on the air field so access is limited. 

#113
RobF, 5/15/2016 at 10:15 AM

I pulled the trigger on this and signed up for the Level 1 class on September 10 with Puget Sound Safety in Olympia.

https://pugetsoundsafety.com/riding/street/tct

This was a week or two ago, so I thought I'd offer some thoughts on the experience.

First the demographics:

  • 1 instructor
  • 7 students (6 male, 1 female)
  • Median age: 50?

Now the motographics:

2 adventure

  • Triumph Tiger
  • DLR 650

1 cruiser

  • Honda Rebel

2 touring

  • Goldwing
  • Full dress Harley

1 sport touring

  • VFR 800

2 sport

  • Hayabusa
  • Panigale

Great mix of bikes! The class ran from 9am to 7pm and was based on Lee Parks' "Total Control" book.

https://www.amazon.com/Total-Control-Performance-Street-Techniques/dp/0760314039

The format was roughly three blocks of 1.5 hours in the classroom then 1.5 hours on the "range" (i.e. a 100-yard by 50-yard section of the Target back lot).

The focus of the day was cornering, mostly:

  • throttle control
  • body position
  • looking for turn-in markers and then through the turn
  • decisive turn-in

The instructor was extremely competent, knowledgeable and enthusiastic.

So, the big question: Was it worth it?

Tuition was $325, I think, but I couldn't just commute to Olympia from here, so I had to spring for a couple nights lodging which put me closer to $600 all-in. I was the only overnighter in the class. Still, I think the Total Control class was a good midway point between casual riding and track riding. There are no secrets revealed that you can't pick up from the book (or the Keith Code videos, or Nick Ienatch's book), but it's extremely helpful to have a knowledgeable coach watch your actual technique and give you instant feedback. This kind of skills test, is for me anyway, a useful corrective to just riding on my own and hoping/believing that I'm doing the right things. It was interesting to see how frequently even high-mileage veteran riders are not completely comfortable with our cornering skills. It's very easy as a motorcyclist to reach a muddle-through plateau that is "good enough" and then remain there for a long time. I don't know that I was "measurably better" at the end of the day, but I did come away with a firmer sense of the specific skills I want to continue practicing and improving. I have a better sense now of what "correct" feels like.

I wish these classes were offered closer to home, so I could save the travel and lodging expense. If this class is offered within commuting distance of you then I think the cost/benefit is very favorable for a casual rider looking to improve his competency, although local quality may vary. 

#114

I am heading up to Santa Rosa CA. this week to teach the first class that will be help there. If anyone is in that region and wants to get into the class this is a great chance and I will personally be teaching the class. Can't take the VFR this week, need to clean the carbs, But next time watch out!

This is a great site with amazing surface and traction so come out and lets work to improve your skills!

#115
1 hour ago, OutlawsJustice

I am heading up to Santa Rosa CA. this week to teach the first class that will be help there. If anyone is in that region and wants to get into the class this is a great chance and I will personally be teaching the class. Can't take the VFR this week, need to clean the carbs, But next time watch out!

This is a great site with amazing surface and traction so come out and lets work to improve your skills!

I can't make it but we should have a Carver there.  :wink:


Seriously good class and look forward to our chance to work together soon.

#116
3 hours ago, CornerCarver

I can't make it but we should have a Carver there.  :wink:


Seriously good class and look forward to our chance to work together soon.

Is Stephen back here from the Holidays? If So I want to make sure he is there!

#117

Thanks for spreading the good word, David. I'll check into the Total Control schedule.

#118
7 hours ago, OutlawsJustice

Is Stephen back here from the Holidays? If So I want to make sure he is there!

He flies back Wednesday.  He will reach out to you.

#119

Happy New Year. I look forward to seeing him and working with him in the years to come as well. 

I am working on the schedule for Classes in Nashville for April, Hopefully you can come over and work with me.

#120

We have some classes on the Total Control Web Site, and hopefully I can announce the Nashville dates (planned for July) this week. I am hoping you can come and teach with me Keith?? We also have a special one day event in Colorado Springs in June if anyone is in that region. and I will be teaching at a few sites in California in April!

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