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Screw-type Master Link Install and Test

30 posts Started 12 Sep 2005 Last recovered post 17 Feb 2006 Wayback Machine snapshot 19 Oct 2006

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I recently replaced my chain [EK 530ZVX, in CHROME!] and front sprocket [AFAM 17T], along with installing a FactoryPro shift kit. I chose to use EK's Screw-Link instead of buying a cheesy chain tool or trusting a bike shop to do it, etc etc as has been discussed here many, many times. But my problem was that there was very little information out there on exactly how to install it and if it was reliable. In fact, all of the vendors who sell it had little or no idea how it was installed, and some even had it totally wrong!! I Googled the crap out of it, but only our own BatBike Chris had used it, as far as I could tell. He said good things about it, so I decided to give it the full engineer's test and evaluation program. Finally, I got my hands on a many-times-faxed copy of EK's broken-English directions, and away I went.

Let's talk about the testing first, then go back to the install procedure. After I installed according to directions and my best judgement, I rode the bike hard for a few days, making some extended 3-digit speed runs. Then, [since I had bought two link kits for testing purposes] I tried my darnest to pry the sideplate off.


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That didn't work, so I ground the ends of the rivets down, at varying levels of destruction, and pried some more. No luck. Finally, I ground nearly all the way through, and centerpunched the pins out, no problem. So, we now know they're removable, if you work at it. We also know they won't pop off in a hard sweeper!!


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I won't go into the chain install, but suffice to say that when you get it on, with the tension adjuster all the way forward and "loose", the unmade chain ends want to be at about 2 o'clock on your rear sprocket, like this.


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I used the x-rings that came with my new chain, and the lube pack. The Screw-Link didn't come with lube (or instructions).

So, once you have the link in place with lube, o/x-rings and the sideplate is pushed on, you run the little black nuts onto the pins finger tight only. IMPORTANT: 1) the nuts have a slight chamfer at the threads on one end only that goes against the sideplate. If you muff this, you'll wring off the pin prematurely. 2) run the nuts in finger tight only. There's a reason for this that I'll get to next.


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Once you're finger tight, you take a 5/16 or 8 mm wrench [IMPORTANT: little short wrench, please, NOT a 3/8" ratchet that's a foot long!!] and alternatively turn each nut 60 degress, or one hex flat. This is very important to do gradually and correctly, so that the sideplate is evenly pressed onto the pins. Remember, one hex flat at a time, alternating!

Eventually, the nuts will stop turning with the same basic amount of effort you've been using all along and won't want to turn any more, assuming you're using a little short combination wrench like I begged you to, above. There is no torque spec for this. You simply turn a hex at a time until you evenly press the sideplate onto the pins and the nuts "stop". Now your remove the nuts and throw them away! Have a look with a magnifying glass at where the pin and sideplate meet, and see how it all looks. You should see a very small sliver of the pin where it meets the sideplate, indicating the plate is fully on the pin with an interference fit. If you feel like you should press the plate further on one end of the link or the other, you can replace the nut(s) with the chamfer facing the link, and give it a tiny little bit of rotation, but be careful and don't get greedy, because I have more to tell, below. You really don't want to wring the pin off. It won't be fatal, as it will break at the groove nearest the sideplate. But you won't be able to do the additional little "peace of mind" step I describe below.

I mike'd the chain and the completed link. Chain was .898 [center of sideplate] and the Screw-Link was .876 This was the case for both times I installed the link, so we can assume the link is slightly less wide than the chain. If you use the same chain as I did, you should see these same numbers, of course.

Another interesting thing--as I was cranking the nuts down, I frequently removed them to see how the process was going. Once I loosened the nuts with the wrench, the nuts easily went off and back on with fingers only. However, once the nuts quit turning and the pressing action was complete, I noticed that the nuts would no longer come off by fingers once loosened by the wrench. I assume that at this point the pin threads had stretched a bizillionth, making the wrench sorta required for nut removal, unless you have real strong fingers.

So now if you're satisfied with the job, you simply snap the long ends of the pins off. It's real easy, using a basic plier.


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So now, you're done. But as promised, I have some more good news. As it turns out, these black nuts aren't metric (!!), they're a good, ol' 10-32 thread. And if you notice, there's a few threads left after you snap the pins off!! So, I know what you're thinking---put the black nuts back on for safety. Wrong. They're way too long and hit inside the front sprocket cover. But, as you can see below, you simply use a quality 5/16 10-32 nut. Stainless would be cool! Do this: using lacquer thinnner or brake kleen, very thoroughly clean your hardware store nuts and the few remaing pin threads. Apply a dab of Loctite to each nut and thread onto the remaining pin stub. IMPORTANT: I torqued these nuts to a mere 30 inch-pounds, and I could feel the few meager threads beginning to yield. So, DON"T crank these nuts down, it's NOT necessary. [Remember the grinding I had to do to get the first link off? It's a tight interference fit!] Allow the Loctite to do its job to hold the nuts in place, giving you total peace of mind. These little nuts are the exact same length depth as the remaining pin stud, so you can be sure it will clear all the stuff up forward in the front sprocket area, but I stronly suggest you run it through by hand like I did before I fired it up for a test ride. Note: My addition of these "safety nuts" is not part of EK's directions. They provide little o-rings that go on the groove for the same purpose. I'll take the Loctited nuts, thanks. Another concern: If you have the stock sprocket, these nuts might touch the rubber damper. But since you're changing the chain, you'll be replacing the sprocket(s), so get an aftermarket and don't concern yourself with the false belief that the stocker is "smoother" or "quieter". It's not true, trust me on this one. You won't hear anything over your slip-on and your helmet, anyway. And nothing is "smooooother" than a new chain.


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You'll need to tension your new chain, of course. I have no advice there...I'll leave that can of worms alone, along with the type of oil I use and color of bike is best.

As for chain tensioning in general, I have some advice. First, make sure your pinch bolt is properly torqued [70 ft-lbs], and put matching punch marks on the bolt and on the swingarm. You can see my little punch marks at that corner on the arm. Then, all you have to do after any future adjustment [like an unscheduled roadside adjustment!] is crank the bolt back to the punch mark to properly tighten it. Second, I don't use the spanner tool.....it's too....clumsy.....for small adjustments. Instead, I leave the pinch bolt a little snug and use a long, beefy screwdirver and a light hammer, and gently tap on an adusting notch one way or the other until I'm happy with my perfect tension measurement. goofy.gif

Now, will the Screw-Link work with other quality chains, such as DIDs? I don't know. But, I did mike the pins on the Screw-Link, and they're .2125 inch in diameter [that's to ten-thousanths' folks]. So, if the master link on other chains has this dimension, I would assume it would work. However, I suggest you ask the vendors if they have better info. The link width is another key dimension, and that is probably a spec that's easy to find.

I'm totally confident that this mysterious Screw-Link is on there to stay. The x-rings are visible but compressed, and the link is exactly as flexible as the rest of the chain. It feels no different when worked. I will use it again when I help a pal with a new chain on his imported bad-ass FireBlade.

This is a good product. It's been around for 12 years, but nobody trusts it, and thus won't use it. Instead, they take a chance with a dicey chain tool that has little control over pin staking depth and the resulting o-ring compression, or they take the clip-on risk, or they have to go to a dealer or shop and hope they get it right. And as we know, they often don't. Of course, if you have a quality tool and you're experienced in master link staking, you'd have no issues with it. But if you do a chain every 15-20K miles, well, your results may vary. The Screw-Link gives proper, accurate results, every time.
#2
Excellent write up and pics.

You might want to check your owner's or service manual for the chain adjust pinch bolt torque spec. Mine (2001) says 54 ft lbs, 74 Nm.

That is a good idea about permanently marking the pinch bolt so that one can get the correct torque when doing chain adjustments on the road.

Thanks for the very good how-to.

Dad
#3
Dad,

You are correct, sir! It was getting late....and I knew it was 70 somethings...damn fignewton-meters, anyhow! Yep, it's 54 foot pounds.

Also, I had a second look at my stock Honda front sprocket. The nuts will NOT interfere with the rubber damper, as the damper only touches the inside of the chain-edge [I KNEW this, but I was hallucinating]. But you'll want to replace the sprocket anyway if you're doing a chain job, and aftermarket often comes as a package deal, so......personal preference. FYI, I have a 45 T on the rear, giving the same lower ratio as having a 16T on the front.

Another note: The Screw-Link comes with o-rings, not x-rings. As I mentinoned, I used the x-rings that came with my chain's master link. It's not a big deal either way, so fret about it.

Also, I want to stress, again, how important it is to have the chamfered side of the black nuts towards the sideplate. If not, the nut will stop when the threads run out (of course), but a smidgen too soon to force the plate all the way onto the pin. It's real obvious which end of the nut has the chamfer, as the "wrong" end is dead flat and square right down to the nut's threads. The link comes with the nuts correctly on the pins, so make note when you take it apart to begin the install. And use plenty of lube, fer chrissakes!!

#4
Thanks for the info! I'm planning on replacing my chain soon and was seriously thinking about going this route.
#5
Way to go Trace! Nice pics. I installed a new EK SRX chain, screw link and front sprocket. My experience was a little different than yours.

- My chain did not come with any masterlink or x-rings.

- My screw link did come with instructions and x-rings.

- The instruction did not say weather to screw the nut on with the flat side towards the chain or the round (chamfered) side toward the chain (unless I missed something unsure.gif ) I ended up screwing on the nuts with the flat side toward the chain and it worked fine. I actually got the same exact measurements as you; the M/L was about 1/2mm narrower than the rest of the chain. I love my digital calipers fing02.gif .

- I used the little o-rings for "added safety" per instructions.


A little off topic here. I bought a new rear sprocket to put on at the same time as my new chain and front sprocket. The hex head bolts and nuts that hold the rear sprocket to the flange were corroded and very stubborn. I manage to get 4 out of the 6 off but I rounded the nuts on 2 of them pissed.gif . I was being as gentle as could be and used the right tools. I'll have to buy new sprocket bolts and grind the old ones off. Fun.
#6
Thanks for the instructions. You just saved me the cost of a chain link pressing tool.
#7
10-32 UNF is interchangeable with M5 metric. Pitch is 0.794mm for UNF & 0.800mm metric. Nominal diam is 4.826mm UNF & 5.0mm metric so metric nut would be slightly loose. (I don't know what the 10 designates but the 32 is tpi)
In pneumatics 10-32 fittings are interchanged with M5 fittings routinely.
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Stinkbait, Sep 13 2005, 10:29 AM- My screw link did come with instructions and x-rings.



Stink-

Go figure! EK could really do themselves a favor and address all these simple-simple-simple issues on their website. sad.gif WTF, EK?

Are you going to add the 10-32 [M5] safety nuts now? Me likey! Me safe-y!

tok-

Good info, for all you guys in the metric world. As for the "slightly loose" metric nut, I would advise to use the UNF, since you only have a few meager threads to grab on to. A looser nut might strip at very low torques. As I said, I just barely snugged mine, and let the Loctite do the work. Still has to be a hundred times better than an o-ring!!

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Trace, Sep 13 2005, 04:13 PMAre you going to add the 10-32 [M5] safety nuts now?  Me likey!  Me safe-y!


Na. I would think EK knows what they are doing. I'll stick with the little o-rings. beer.gif
#10
Nice write up and great pics. I hate when people do how-to's and the pics are so close up or far away, you can't see squat.
#11
Great, great write up.

An interesting anecdote. I cooked my chain last year on vacation. It took the local (and I mean yocal) shop all week to replace the chain as they had to order the chain tool. Then when I picked it up, they said they broke the tool putting the chain on. WTF? I asked them how they got the daing thing on and never got a clear answer. I assume it was via BFH method. On top of that, I told them to replce the sprockets even if they were close since everything was apart. Then just before I left the guy says, "Oh yeah, you'll want to put new sprockets on in a few thousand miles."

I just shook my head and left. That was $225 not very well spent, but at least I got home.
#12
Lobster, Sep 13 2005, 01:49 PM Then when I picked it up, they said they broke the tool putting the chain on.  ...BFH method. 


Yeah, that's all I keep hearing about chain tools. I think just about every chain install thread I've read here talks about broken anvils and stake pins and whatever. I'm sure if you buy the gold-plated version for $$$, it will work fine. But my guess is most guys say "I'll probably only use the thing once...I'll go the $35 dollar route." Then they're screwed late on a Saturday afternoon pissed.gif , stuck at home and need to limp or load to the bike shop after all, on a Monday, to get the same questionable results that you did!!!
#13
Wonderful write-up TRACE. Thanks for taking the time to share the pics & procedure with us.
And as CORBEAU says, money well-saved.
#14
Great write up, thanks!
#15
I am a vetran of the rivet type and have put together a hodge podge of tools to make my tool set work, just recently installed a gold x ring chain kit from did afam. If your invested in tool such as myself stay with the rivet kit but if you want to save money then try this out, I wonder if you can just buy the master link and use it for a different chain, such as a did? In any case I am not convinced that the nuts wont rattle off with some high rpm riding? I am sure they tested it though before releasing it, sure is ugly with those big fat nuts on there.
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HispanicSlammer, Sep 13 2005, 04:26 PMI am a vetran of the rivet type and have put together a hodge podge of tools to make my tool set work, just recently installed a gold x ring chain kit from did afam.� If your invested in tool such as myself stay with the rivet kit but if you want to save money then try this out, I wonder if you can just buy the master link and use it for a different chain, such as a did?� In any case I am not convinced that the nuts wont rattle off with some high rpm riding?�  I am sure they tested it though before releasing it, sure is ugly with those big fat nuts on there.


HS,

When I was discussing all the problems I've heard about with chain tools, I was specifically thinking of your tales of woe regarding parts breakage. Since you're a savvy user, imagine what problems the amatuer might have!!

Yes, I wonder if it can be used for DIDs, RKs, etc. I just don't know, sorry. It's a dimensional thing entirely, which is why I provided the exact pin diameter in my post so you guys could look into it if you like. The link width is the other key dimension. However, if it's a 530 chain, perhaps those dimensions are set by ASME or something. idea3.gif

As for the nuts rattling off.....well, the real problem would be the sideplate rattling off, of course. I'm quite sure the Loctite will do it's job. Honestly, I'm a little more concerned about a poor staking job from a crappo chain tool.

As for my Big Fat Nuts.....well.....ahem......you can't see 'em when they're in use....ahem.... rolleyes.gif

#17
Awesome write up, thanks for the effort!! fing02.gif
#18
Thanks for the great write-up. I need a new chain like yesterday!! Over 26k on the stock chain and it's really been pushed to it's limit. I also plan to replace the sprockets with stock replacements. The screw-type master link seems like something I'd like to try for the same reasons you mentioned.

VFRMike.
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UPDATE!!

After about 1000 miles, my nuts are still tight...... fing02.gif

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Nothin' like having tight nuts!! tongue.gif
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Trace, Oct 10 2005, 07:14 PMUPDATE!!

After about 1000 miles, my nuts are still tight......  :



.........and still ugly. biggrin.gif
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Stinkbait, Oct 10 2005, 04:12 PM.........and still ugly.  biggrin.gif



Careful what you say about a feller's nuts!

But you can't see 'em when it's moving...and it seems like every time I want to have a look, I gotta roll the bike so they're not under the guards and covers. So, rarely seen!
#22
"After about 1000 miles, my nuts are still tight......"


I think they make a cream for that!
#23
I just used one of these on a DID50VM chain. Brian at Sprocket Center mentioned to me that people use them for any kind of chain.

Seems to have worked famously; everything fit like it was made for it. I'll keep an eye on it as I put on the miles come springtime. Considering the force it did take to twist those nuts and clamp on the sideplate, I don't see it giving up easily.

--- Anecdote ---

Once I put the clutch slave back on, I shifted out of neutral and squeezed the clutch slowly to make sure everything felt okay. It did. But... I couldn't turn the drivetrain with the clutch pulled.

Many horrible thoughts pass through my head. What could I have possibly done wrong? I know I didn't squeeze the clutch while it was out... I taped a soup can in the lever to halt any possibility.

More horrible thoughts.

Then I put the rear wheel on finger tight and twisted it. It freed up. Aaahhh.... it's winter and the oil is 20 degrees. Right. Bike has been sitting for two months. Right. Clutch plates are probably sticky.

Whew.

Happy thoughts.
#24
Fool,

Good show! Did you add little nuts as a "peace of mind" measure or just go with the snapped off pins?

I have 4K miles on mine now, with lots of first gear whacks of the throttle and plenty of sustained high speed blasts (the most recent this Sunday, did about 2 miles at full throttle for a top end charge). No problems. My nuts are tight. tongue.gif
#25
I feel uncomfortable talking about my nuts. biggrin.gif
#26
dr.toto, Feb 6 2006, 09:00 PMI feel uncomfortable talking about my nuts. biggrin.gif



You'd feel even more uncomfortable if they came off.... 491.gif ...so always use....Loctite!!
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Trace, Feb 7 2006, 02:38 PMYou'd feel even more uncomfortable if they came off....  491.gif   ...so always use....Loctite!!


... or a Loctite-like threadlocking nut securer.
#28
Trace, Feb 6 2006, 07:55 PMFool,

Good show!  Did you add little nuts as a "peace of mind" measure or just go with the snapped off pins?


I just went with the snapped off pins. I had peace of mind already.

Other unmentioned fun -- removing the old chain. My longstanding theory that nothing resists 36" boltcutters -- stands.
But I suppose chainbreakers are for when you want to reattach the chain and not just toss it, or weld it into modern art, or whatever.
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imortlfool, Feb 7 2006, 02:51 PMMy longstanding theory that nothing resists 36" boltcutters -- stands.


Probably the neatest and most efficient way of removing the chain.
But a firearm or explosives would've been more fun. goofy.gif
#30
here is a email from the horses mouth.............interesting!
We apologize for the delay in response due to the high volume of inquiries via EK website we receive.
Thank you for your inquiry.

Miki @ ekchain.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <kayo.miki@earthlink.net>
To: <kayo.miki@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: Feedback: from ekchain.com


> CCAMBIS511@MSN.COM
> I just recently found out about EK'S bolt on masterlink! i read about it on www.vfrdiscussion.com. the person who installed this link used locktite to hold on smaller nuts to the remaining studs. A. are these links good for the life of the chain? The most reliable connecting link, especialy for a heavy-duty application, is the "rivet type" as it comes with the chain and that the "screw type" connecting link was originally developed with "short term use" in mind although many people love it and are using it for full time.
B. is adding the nuts to the finished studs good, bad, other? As the manufacturer, we cannot recommend or endorse any other way of installing it other than specified in its instruction sheet.C. i just found out about EK links after buying RK chain. can i use your links? No. Each connecting link (of any type) is made specifically for each different chains. D. are there any limitations to using this link? Same answer to the question "A." We have to answer conservatively because we don't know your bike and how you are riding it. THANKS, CPC

ANSWERS ARE TYPED AFTER EACH QUESTION. THEY WERE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE ORIGINAL EMAIL...........
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