Sub-1000cc, say low 900-ish. With whatever Vtec shenanigans Big H deems neccessary...WITH LONGER SERVICE INTERVALS!!! (Honda did a great job in making the VFR a low maintenance machine, but less scheduled service means more riding.) Forget ram-air, forget traction control. Just give us 110-120 rwhp with a flat torque curve.
CBS-ABS optional! Otherwise, the standard version gets some plain old (easy to bleed) 4-piston Nissins without any techno-trickery
Forget full suspension adjustability, how many people actually use it? Instead, give us quality components with minimum adjustment. (See the front end of the 06 Hornet 600 for an example.) The only requirements here are remote preload adjustment and long-lasting suspension performance.
Weight loss program! Get the new bike into 4th or 5th gen territory again!
Lots of accessories, of course.
Basically, keep the bike we know and love, just make it more desireable for more people. And Keep It Simple Stupid!!! If someone wishes more gadgets, let them get the ABS version or buy from the catalog, don't shove them down all of our throughts!
VFRloyalist, Mar 16 2006, 07:57 PMForget full suspension adjustability, how many people actually use it? Instead, give us quality components with minimum adjustment. (See the front end of the 06 Hornet 600 for an example.) The only requirements here are remote preload adjustment and long-lasting suspension performance.
Sub-1000cc, say low 900-ish. With whatever Vtec shenanigans Big H deems neccessary...WITH LONGER SERVICE INTERVALS!!! (Honda did a great job in making the VFR a low maintenance machine, but less scheduled service means more riding.) Forget ram-air, forget traction control. Just give us 110-120 rwhp with a flat torque curve.
CBS-ABS optional! Otherwise, the standard version gets some plain old (easy to bleed) 4-piston Nissins without any techno-trickery
Forget full suspension adjustability, how many people actually use it? Instead, give us quality components with minimum adjustment. (See the front end of the 06 Hornet 600 for an example.) The only requirements here are remote preload adjustment and long-lasting suspension performance.
Weight loss program! Get the new bike into 4th or 5th gen territory again!
Lots of accessories, of course.
Basically, keep the bike we know and love, just make it more desireable for more people. And Keep It Simple Stupid!!! If someone wishes more gadgets, let them get the ABS version or buy from the catalog, don't shove them down all of our throughts!
I have to disagree about having full suspension adjustability. I just don't understand how you can just change preload and not have to change rebound and compression dampening, etc. To set up a suspension right in my mind you need the full adjustments to set the bike up right! Yeah, it's more of a pain at first but once you get it basically dialed in, the bike is more confidence inspiring. Besides if you don't want to fiddle with fully adjustable feature, then just don't touch the other adjustable feature, but at least give someone the option. It's pretty much standard today on sport bikes. And the VFR is a sport tourer, sport bike.
Everything else you said I agree. Maybe bump it up to 900cc or so, but don't go 1000 or over. Insurance just goes higher and you can't go much faster on the street at somewhat sane speeds.
*Stay 800-900cc but get a bit more output from it. It's definately possible! *Get into the range of 130-135ish RWHP and a solid (80-90ish @whl) flat torque curve/lack of. *ABS optional, although I don't see the point on a bike unless you plan on riding in the rain. ABS actually add braking distance on dry pavement but I get it when in gravel or on wet, it's just not for me. I know how to stop in those situations and have yet to have mine lock up with the LBS. *Stay LINKED, the system works and pretty damn well. It's nice for the new rider to be able to fudge a little on the braking and still get stopped controlably, and with some experience you can stop right NOW! *Get the weight down nearer 480s or so (WET!!!). *Keep factory luggage but make it price reasonably so that you'll sell it more....Thus making more money....DUH!! *Give some options, even if dealer installed (ie heated grips, acc. power sockets, etc.) *Make the V-tec tunable, so that one could actually switch it off, or set the RPM it kicks in at. *Keep the SS arm, and reletive look the same so as it is actually distictive as the VFR rather than looking like every other Gixxer, 1000RR, 10R, 12R, etc. bike out there. I'm really tired of seeing bikes and they all look relatively the same, although I can tell the difference from afar I know my bikes pretty well (esp. current models) but when a guy see the VFR from a distance you can tell it's something different!!! *Being a sporty SPORT-TOURING bike a good looking adj. windscreen would be cool too. Not like the FJR (looks too stupid for me) but something close to what is there on the 6th gen just be able to tilt it differently or move it up an .75 to an inch. Maybe even BOTH??? *Fully adj. susp. is nearly mandatory and I really think they will do this anyway as nearly every SB has this standard any more, as does Tourers so.... Inverted forks would be nice too along with this. * OHLINS as a factory option, front and rear :idea3: ***There are a ton of things I'ld like to see but many others wouldn't I think that the things I listed are pretty reasonable and would apply to anyone buying the bike really. I fyou want more most others aren't too hard to add.
I would pay that for one if I could get the options I wanted. While we are talking suspension, why not offer the upgraded fully adjustable suspension but go one step further and offer them with different spring rates for heavier riders so we don't have to drop another $1500 to re-do front and rear.
I would love fully adjustable suspension and agree with the benefits, i am just stating that most people don't know a clicker from the Clapper and anything that pushes the price of this bike higher had better be damn worth the cost. And since my VFR is a daily driver, all i want is a preload adjuster to handle the basics.
Honda can do it, just look how good the suspension is now. Or check out the new CBF1000...basic, but damn good.
teleskier, Mar 16 2006, 11:28 PMI would pay that for one if I could get the options I wanted. While we are talking suspension, why not offer the upgraded fully adjustable suspension but go one step further and offer them with different spring rates for heavier riders so we don't have to drop another $1500 to re-do front and rear.
you can get that if you'd buy a ducati... had gotten my st4s for 14,000
VFRloyalist, Mar 16 2006, 11:41 PMI would love fully adjustable suspension and agree with the benefits, i am just stating that most people don't know a clicker from the Clapper and anything that pushes the price of this bike higher had better be damn worth the cost. And since my VFR is a daily driver, all i want is a preload adjuster to handle the basics.
Honda can do it, just look how good the suspension is now. Or check out the new CBF1000...basic, but damn good.
I see where you are coming from. But as the previous poster states fully adjustable is pretty much standard and I don't beleive it will add whole lot to the overal price when you consider these fully adjustable suspensions are produced a lot more now. Heck they put it on the ZZR 600 and that's like a $7200 bike out the door. And again my point is just adjust the preload adjusters like you do today and leave the others alone if you feel comfortable adjusting the other thing-a-majigs :)
Oh and I think that anything that makes a bike handle better is worth the cost. I pretty much use my bike for fun, so I have different biases and wants. But I can see and understand your perspective. You've got a point too.
1. Want Gear driven cams... 2. Exhaust with DEEP GROWL... 3. More sporty styling , with long range comfort. 3. color choices, RED,BLUE,WHITE,ASPHALT. 4. Constant 4 valve operation. 5. engine size 800- 900cc. 6. Better customer service at stealerships and valve adjustments wont cost more than $250..AS some stealerships have charged up to $800....
7. Keep all us V4 VFR lovers happy....... 8. Better thermostats, easier access to thermostat housing...
You really have to consider how a motorcyce company (and particularly Honda) work when developing a bike. They probably won't do anything too radical with the VFR.
Being as realistic as possible, here's what I'd like to see Honda do:
- Punch out the V4 to say 850cc (there are already kits to go to 870, so 850 should be doable without a major redesign). - Get the weight down... maybe down to 425 lbs dry. (IMHO, current sport bikes have been lightenend to the point of being fragile-- no need to go that far). Single muffler & aluminum subframe would be a good start on reducing weight - Radial mount brakes - Full suspension adjustability w/ remote preload. Inverted fork up front. - Ergonomics are perfect, don't change a thing! - Better seat - Scrap VTEC (unlikely) or go with i-VTEC instead (more likely)
I would love to see the gear-driven cams return, but I think they are much more expensive to produce, not to mention heavier!
Okay, this is probably not likely, but nevertheless:
* Less weight! (I think we all agree on this one) * raise displacement to 900 cc, keep wonderful V4 * Gear-driven cams, no VTEC! * Unit Pro Link rear suspension, fully adjustable * USD front fork, fully adjustable
That's it for me; if they build this, I will buy it.
the vfr engine was near perfect all it neaded was a higher displacement and upside-down forks like the cbr 1000 has with the built in steering damper and adjustability for the forks, smaller issues would be the gap in the winshield,it could be turned into a ram air duct for the air intake this bike has always been a platform for new gadgets the v-tec system was one they could have done without ,the styling was very sharp which was a good thing
Who would be willing to give up the single sided swing arm for a lot less weight? I imagine that would be one of the engineering debates in the quest for the maximum VFR.
I would, if the weight savings was substantial. Sure is nice for maintenance, though.
I forgot the USD forks on my list, an obvious choice.
The VTEC on cars sees all the valves operating all the time, unless I'm mistaken...
Kosh, Mar 18 2006, 06:28 AMWho would be willing to give up the single sided swing arm for a lot less weight? I imagine that would be one of the engineering debates in the quest for the maximum VFR.
olmy, Mar 17 2006, 01:08 PM Okay, this is probably not likely, but nevertheless:
* Less weight! (I think we all agree on this one) * raise displacement to 900 cc, keep wonderful V4 * Gear-driven cams, no VTEC! * Unit Pro Link rear suspension, fully adjustable * USD front fork, fully adjustable
That's it for me; if they build this, I will buy it.
Yes,Yes!! PS :Many touring options ala BMRs STs,GSs,Rs.Heated adjustable seats,GPS,touring screens,and(afterall it is a SportTOURER)a "fugget aboutit" Shaft!!I know I enjoy the no-maintance of my ST1100 when I'm out for more than a few days.
Well, it seems like we have covered all the bases. The final verdict, give us an RC211V with comfy ergos, a heated seat, heated grips, GPS, launch control, traction control, cruise control, and shaft drive. Oh, and keep the MSRP under $10k. :salesman:
vfrjim2002, Mar 18 2006, 06:32 PMWell, it seems like we have covered all the bases. The final verdict, give us an RC211V with comfy ergos, a heated seat, heated grips, GPS, launch control, traction control, cruise control, and shaft drive. Oh, and keep the MSRP under $10k. :salesman:
That's about the best I've heard yet with the exception of shaft drive. I'm not to fond of them. Keep the chain for now.
Split the models. Keep the VFR similar to what it currently is, and offer the RVF which would have fully adjustable suspension, upside-down forks, et al. (Think VTR vs RVT)
Seems a pretty good idea, and a good way to keep everyone happy, to me.
Split the models. Keep the VFR similar to what it currently is, and offer the RVF which would have fully adjustable suspension, upside-down forks, et al. (Think VTR vs RVT)
Seems a pretty good idea, and a good way to keep everyone happy, to me.
I have enjoyed reading all the in ;) put about the next gen VFR. I just wanted to add a few points. Honda over the years has allowed the VFR to become the best all round motorcycle on the planet, just look at all the awards and writen comments about it. Honda has a habit of being a tad on the conservative side to say the least. They have the CBRS for the go fast boys and the ST1300 for the sport touring (more touring than sport). However they are still an engine compamy and love to innovate and or improve on their products. Honda also of late has encouraged custom orders of their cruisers offering tons of different options. Put that all together and what can we expect to see in our next VFR? Here comes my meager opinion. A much "improved" machine, maybe new or inverted forks, an enlarged engine (still a V-4), a cleaned up fuel delivery system with a possible change in vale train, and hopefully a move toward some factory options such as heated grips and seat with an adjustable windscreen. In other words keep the heart and soul of a VRF and improve and perfect it to in crease the audience it appeals to..... Shack smilie
PS. As for me just would like to see the ability to adjust the handle bars!
I want honda to make it so that gold coins are spit out of the ehuast when you rev it....seriously though, I think it's a good bike already. Sure you can do a bunch of suff to make it better, but if I had a perfect bike that was un-upgradeable (yeah you read that right) then I might just get bored. What else would I talk bikes about? It's fun adding stuff to make it better. I think Honda has slacked off a bit on the new VFR, but I still couldn't think of a bike I would want to have more for the long haul. One thing I do think should ulitmately change is the weight to power ratio. Either make it more powerful or drop some weight. --guy that like to take other side
mznyc, Mar 18 2006, 11:42 PMWhat would you say your average trips are?Mileage/days?
I really don't know what my average mileage per day is, it ranges from say a couple of blocks to a few hundred miles. I've been to the point that mid ride or before I have to get the lube out and get intimate witht he chain and then again late in the day. I generally oil the chain about every 500 miles and throughly clean it every 1500-2000 miles. I'm guessing tis is the point your trying to make, the maintence issue between chian and shaft. I have yet to ride a shaft driven bike that I like the susp. on really that well, although the VFR leaves a bit to be desired too with a chain it's not much really for me. I'm in that target range with susp, 160-180lbs, so I don't really know about how bad the forks are as they feel pretty good to me. JUST MY .02, I understand that many others would rather other options which is probably why we have the bike we do now and Honda hasn't tried to target one group of people, ie the touring group, etc. I don't use the bike for trans-cont. journeys although others may so I don't need a lot of the stuff others are talking about.
I think the biggest agreement of everyone about the bike is weight shaving a bit, 425-440 lbs dry and more power!!! :wheel:
OK, if we are realistic, the true 7th gen bike will still only be a matter of refinement, not a new revolution. So we should count on CBS (w/ABS optional), some form of Vtec, and maybe even some other new gizmo. Thus, if Honda does decide to put the VFR on a diet, it will be hard to find those spare pounds. I think we will probably lose the SS Swingarm, and the bike will adopt CAN line electrics (new tech that's lighter...). Other than that, i don't see where the weight will come from without serious cost. Maybe a conventional radiator? Maybe some new lightweight front suspension? Any ideas?
Of course, Honda may very well leave the VFR alone and introduce the highly suspected super-VFR-XX-V5-wonderbike!
I want a time machine so i can see what is worth waiting to buy!
Split the models. Keep the VFR similar to what it currently is, and offer the RVF which would have fully adjustable suspension, upside-down forks, et al. (Think VTR vs RVT)
Seems a pretty good idea, and a good way to keep everyone happy, to me.
I had the same idea about a month ago. Honda split the CBR600r and cbr600fi why can't they do the same with the VFR?
My wish:
Lighter 400 pounds 130 hp fully adjustable suspention GDC SSS no vteck no ABS 750cc, 800cc, 900cc V4 or V5 or V3 I love red but would like more colors to choose from.
Neboor, Mar 19 2006, 03:13 PMI want honda to make it so that gold coins are spit out of the ehuast when you rev it....
Now we're talking!!
Here are some other features I'd love to see:
- Teleportation option (so I can instantly get to the Gap, or other great riding areas without having to ride or trailer)
- Time Travel option (so if I get nailed for speeding, I can travel back in time and either pick a different route or adjust my speed and cackle as I drive safely past the cop)
- Hair Replacement switch (I don't mind letting nature taking its course, but there are times when it could come in handy - like say when you see some babes and you want to amp up the posing factor)
- Muscle Enhancement switch (like previous, so you can get the Gold's Gym bod to go with the flowing hair)
- Ride Like Rossi option (so I can dust all my riding buds)
- Win The Lottery button (to finance all my trips)
[quote=dwade277,Mar 20 2006, 03:53 PM] I had the same idea about a month ago. Honda split the CBR600r and cbr600fi why can't they do the same with the VFR?
Because Honda might sell 10,000 CBR's each year but only 1,000 of us smart folks buy a VFR!
- Teleportation option (so I can instantly get to the Gap, or other great riding areas without having to ride or trailer)
- Time Travel option (so if I get nailed for speeding, I can travel back in time and either pick a different route or adjust my speed and cackle as I drive safely past the cop)
- Hair Replacement switch (I don't mind letting nature taking its course, but there are times when it could come in handy - like say when you see some babes and you want to amp up the posing factor)
- Muscle Enhancement switch (like previous, so you can get the Gold's Gym bod to go with the flowing hair)
- Ride Like Rossi option (so I can dust all my riding buds)
- Win The Lottery button (to finance all my trips)
- Viagara option ('nuff said)
and on and on.....
:goofy:
Don't forget the optional cover to protect your precious fender Chris....
- Teleportation option (so I can instantly get to the Gap, or other great riding areas without having to ride or trailer)
- Time Travel option (so if I get nailed for speeding, I can travel back in time and either pick a different route or adjust my speed and cackle as I drive safely past the cop)
- Hair Replacement switch (I don't mind letting nature taking its course, but there are times when it could come in handy - like say when you see some babes and you want to amp up the posing factor)
- Muscle Enhancement switch (like previous, so you can get the Gold's Gym bod to go with the flowing hair)
- Ride Like Rossi option (so I can dust all my riding buds)
- Win The Lottery button (to finance all my trips)
- Viagara option ('nuff said)
and on and on.....
:goofy:
I would like an option that lets me know if the girls I go out with are over 21. I gets so tiring having to ask them. :unsure:
Actually (and I know none of you want to hear this), this is what I'd suggest for the next VFR:
1) Get rid of that single sided swing-arm: it costs too much 2) Bring the handlebars up an inch or so: this is a sport TOUR bike, let's get comfortable like on the old Interceptors 3) Honda PLEASE stop making such uncomfortable rock hard seats on all your bikes, not just the Gold Wing 4) Larger diameter grips: why do only cruisers have comfy grips? 5) Larger windscreen; just slightly... don't make me have to go to aftermarket to get some decent wind protection 6) Let me trade in my 05 red one for an 06 white one... white Interceptors are the most beautiful bikes!
Adjustable ergonomics. Handlebars,seat and windscreen. Better passenger accommodations. Although the VFR has excellent fit and finish, I think it should have even more wow. High end forks , rear suspension and wheels. A little more displacement for torque, but not too much. Those 200cc pistons give the VFR that sweet smoothness compared to the St 1300. Industry leading seat. Continue the great luggage and add factory tank bag{BMW should not be the only one to do this properly}.Finally keep pushing the boundaries just like Soichiro did. Honda builds some phenomenal products.They got there by never being satisfied, here's hoping they never will be!
1) Get rid of that single sided swing-arm: it costs too much
Are you insane? That is what makes a VFR the way it is. That has been a fixture on the bike since what, 1991?
Where this bike might be a sport TOUR bike, I find the handlebars to be just fine for most riding. Go and sit on a true sportbike and let me know what you think of the bars.
I am finding more and more that the windscreen is actually not that bad. Rode my buddies R1 the other day, that thing has absolutely no wind protection. I don't even know what purpose the windscreen serves on that bike.
And for all of you out there that hate the VTEC. ITS NOT THAT BAD!!!!!
Again, I have to point out that the ones that complain about it the most are the ones that don't own one. With the same mods that everyone else is running (pipes and PC) I have no transition at all. Even when it was stock, the transition was next to nothing. So, IMHO, keep the VTEC, I love the sound it makes through my loud a$$ Laser pipes when I get on it.
The sssa doesn't cost too much, the amount of research that goes into the new conventional sided swingarms is tremendous. The vfr's sssa has been relatively the same since its debut to the VFR in 1990. The only complaint from me, is the added weight factor. But this is a touring bike, not a feather weight super sport bike.
Hurricane249, Mar 20 2006, 08:56 PMI would like an option that lets me know if the girls I go out with are over 21. I gets so tiring having to ask them. :unsure:
Split the models. Keep the VFR similar to what it currently is, and offer the RVF which would have fully adjustable suspension, upside-down forks, et al. (Think VTR vs RVT)
Seems a pretty good idea, and a good way to keep everyone happy, to me.
I think that's a great idea! I'm just surprised that so many people are that concerned about weight.. When I was 21 I was very concerned about weight, I wanted a street racing machine- shave a pound here and there, and brag about it to my friends. Now, I like having a stable ride at speed that I can still lean over in the twisty's- Honda has done it with the VFR. I guess maybe I'm larger than some of the peeps on this forum at 6'2 220, but I have not noticed the weight of the bike. In fact, when I ride little rockets nowadays, they feel fast but flimsy and uncomfortable, this is due to the weight savings of course. The VFR is not meant to be flickable like a 600, it's not meant to pull like a XX, and usually one cannot have both. I can't argue with those that want an adjustable suspension, but adding displacement while losing weight would completely change the bike- do you really want the Honda version of a ZX-12R?
MountainMan, Mar 28 2006, 01:26 PMThe VFR is not meant to be flickable like a 600, it's not meant to pull like a XX, and usually one cannot have both. I can't argue with those that want an adjustable suspension, but adding displacement while losing weight would completely change the bike- do you really want the Honda version of a ZX-12R?
I totally agree with this. I had a CBR 600 and it felt like a bicycle with a rocket in it. Light and flickable? Yep. Even in heavy winds on wet roads and downpours. No thanks. When I sit on my VFR I feel like I'm actually on a motorcycle. In my "old age" (31) I've come to appreciate a little weight on the bike. Sure, the VFR has come away from its racing heritage (mid-80s) but that's fine with me.
If my o6 vfr had more power I'd be riding with the front wheel off the ground all the time and getting lots of tickets , and Of course the fuel milege would be even lower. The vfr even in its inept state of tune is pretty dang fast . I have no doubt a well set up VFR and rider can take lots and lots of names.
It's actually perfectly suited for it's intended purpose, but as to suspension I do like all the adjustment features, rather than reling on manufactures settings.
MountainMan, Mar 28 2006, 09:26 AMI'm just surprised that so many people are that concerned about weight..
I've kind of felt that way too....maybe cause of my own size :P
The VFR just doesn't seem that heavy to me..it's a very flickable bike.
I've got a friend that we've been trying to talk into getting a VFR for a couple of years now and he was always complaining that he thought the bike was "just too heavy"(never really ridden one of course )
Anyway, he goes out for a couple of test drives on VFR's and was "so surprised at how agile and filckable they actually are" :goofy: Couldn't resist the "isn't that what we've been telling you all along" response................ :lol:
Aardvark892, Mar 27 2006, 04:13 PMActually (and I know none of you want to hear this), this is what I'd suggest for the next VFR:
1) Get rid of that single sided swing-arm: it costs too much 2) Bring the handlebars up an inch or so: this is a sport TOUR bike, let's get comfortable like on the old Interceptors 3) Honda PLEASE stop making such uncomfortable rock hard seats on all your bikes, not just the Gold Wing 4) Larger diameter grips: why do only cruisers have comfy grips? 5) Larger windscreen; just slightly... don't make me have to go to aftermarket to get some decent wind protection 6) Let me trade in my 05 red one for an 06 white one... white Interceptors are the most beautiful bikes!
That's my six cents.
Tim
I think you are looking for an ST1300. The VFR is SPORT tour bike, the ST1300 is a sport TOUR bike, and has a comfy seat, higher bars, and higher screen.
jeremy556, Mar 28 2006, 01:10 PMI think you are looking for an ST1300. The VFR is SPORT tour bike, the ST1300 is a sport TOUR bike, and has a comfy seat, higher bars, and higher screen.
That's my take on VFR's too...For me the VFR is a SPORT tour bike, but obviously there are lots of VFR owners on this board that view their VFR's as sportTOURING bike...................Maybe that's why Honda is soooo confused :P
Tough to please everyone for sure, but apparently the VFR does that well enough so that we're all basically pretty happy.....regardless of generation :idea3:
A working and reliable R/R A wiring harness that doesn't require a silent recall An engine that doesn't require a $600 valve adjustment An ECU that doesn't require the use of $300 in extras to fix throttle surges between 4k & 5k A radiator (single) mounted up front And maybe some trunk space that can fit more than a pencil
I say Honda should make it ever so slighty imperfect, so we riders can do our mods to improve the performance, make our own custom fit, so we can take pics, and talk about all things VFR. Imagine a perfect bike?.... :sleep: That's the difference between my two loves, I can change her, .....the VFR, right?
The 06 version will be around until atleast 08 then they will probably make some minor changes...
They will not up the CC's because thats not what Honda does. The Crb 600, 1000, VTR, RVT, F4I have all kept their CC's pretty much the same since they first started.
Would I would like to see is the return of the BlackBird with a V-5 and (gear driven) 1099CC's...lol
With a Solo Cowl and singlesided swinger, rear exhaust with a deep toot, inverted forks, LBS, and a nice adj. suspension
Red98V4, Apr 5 2006, 07:33 AMThey will not up the CC's because thats not what Honda does. The Crb 600, 1000, VTR, RVT, F4I have all kept their CC's pretty much the same since they first started.
Contrare my friend. The CBR 600 started as one line of bikes then split after the F4I took over as more user friendly and the RR took the race rep status. Then The CBR900 was around until 99, then replaced with the 929, then the 954 and lastly and currently the 1000rr. The VFR has been all over the charts from 1000cc (VF days) to 750 to 781 (or was that 800). Now we have the evolution of the 599 and the 919. Bikes have to stay in their respected classes when it comes to race reps, but the street bikes do not. This is why the VFR is 781 and the CB is a 919. They put the best engine in them, not what is legal per racing rules. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see both of these bikes get redone in the near future with larger engines. The bandit 12 and the sprint st have laid down some good competition for the two bikes, both with larger displacement than the Honda. Now the blackbird got whooped by the Busa, and now the Kawi and the BMW have come to play some serious back road ball, I don't doubt at all to see a hyper bike from honda, just doubt it will be in the name of Blackbird. I doubt yamaha will jump in, they just like to go against the grain too much, we'll see I guess. Only like 4 more months till release time.
i think the physical properties of the bikes are awesome not much to change there - heat grips and power connection would be great.
how about some colour choices or new decal designs for the bikes - cbrs have the wings on the side, something that says more sport than touring - bring back the red, white and blue designs of the late eighties.
Sorry I don't like the styling of the 5th gen that much, I really would just like the current bike with either a VTEC system that really boosted low down power, or a normal engine, maybe another 70 or so cc's, lighter weight, and a fully adjustable suspension.
I honestly would rather have Honda give us a really GREAT suspension system than more power. I have fun with the power that the bike already has, if anything just put more power down low in the power band.
elwood_617, Apr 5 2006, 12:03 PMSorry I don't like the styling of the 5th gen that much, I really would just like the current bike with either a VTEC system that really boosted low down power, or a normal engine, maybe another 70 or so cc's, lighter weight, and a fully adjustable suspension.
I honestly would rather have Honda give us a really GREAT suspension system than more power. I have fun with the power that the bike already has, if anything just put more power down low in the power band.
:salesman: What we'll get is a lighter VFR with USD forks and a VTEC that is improved with a real horsepower step up above 7-8Krpm.
I suspect that Honda is not finished with the VTEC - it's not just the Kaizen of it. [One of the guys at Honda Canada mentioned this during the first year of the VTEC. That is, he said that Honda had a lot of development plans for it.] Besides, despite our loyal following, NA is not the target market for the VFR (in Japan's POV most of us ride cruisers). Europe is the market and as long as sales are good there - their wishes will be Honda's command. Honda will have to close the horsepower gap with the Triumph and BMW sport-tourers, but again VTEC tinkering should be able to do that while maintaining the unique to VFR technology...
But, yeah a Honda Hyperbike is due to replace the first Hyperbike - the Blackbird. It would not be a surprise to see the V5 in that.
ABS optional, although I don't see the point on a bike unless you plan on riding in the rain. ABS actually add braking distance on dry pavement but I get it when in gravel or on wet, it's just not for me. I know how to stop in those situations and have yet to have mine lock up with the LBS.
I've heard that too, but I question the validity of the tests which have led to that conclusion.
As I understand it, comparing stopping distances with and without ABS has been done by having a highly skilled rider use threshold braking without ABS and applying the brakes very hard with ABS. Had threshold braking been used both with and without ABS, the stopping distances would have been the same because the ABS would not have been activated.
I expect to get my VFR with ABS next week; I'm trading in my Kawasaki Ninja 500. I have no illusions about my ability to use threshold braking under all conditions and want the ABS to be ready to take over in case I brake too hard, especially if I hit loose sand (I've seen it at intersections), wet pavement, or other conditions that reduce traction.
Statistics have shown that CARS with ABS are MORE likely to be involved in an accident than cars without ABS. Probably there are 2 reasons for this: 1) The ABS gives some drivers a false sense of security, causing them not to use proper caution, and 2) Because some drivers don't understand how the ABS works, they back off on the brakes when they hear the ABS working or feel the brake pedal vibrating. With good drivers, the ABS adds an additional level of safety which I believe is worth while. On bikes, I believe that it is even more worth while because the consequences of locking a wheel on a bike are much more serious than on a car. Also, without ABS, a rider may be afraid to brake as hard as necessary to avoid an accident and may crash as the result of under-braking.
Of course ABS has limitations and riders who don't consider that might be better off without ABS. In any case, I believe that it should be OPTIONAL on ALL bikes. At some future date, perhaps it should become standard, but I believe that it would be premature to make it standard now.
Honda will have to close the horsepower gap with the Triumph and BMW sport-tourers, but again VTEC tinkering should be able to do that while maintaining the unique to VFR technology...
That's probably true, but couldn't there be engine options?
I'm sure that not everyone wants more power, although few would want insufficient power. Perhaps there should be a choice of 2 or 3 engine sizes, perhaps 75 HP, the current HP, and one with perhaps 30% more power. There is generally an inverse relationship between power and fuel mileage and perhaps some riders would prefer to be able to go farther on a tank while touring in exchange for a bit less power.
Living in Vancouver with a healthy dose of rain I can verify that you'll love abs in the rain.
I too have the ability to brake hard under all conditions (dirtbikes growing up) but lemme tell you, in traffic, and anything else going on, you will be plenty glad for the forgiveness in lack of attention and the confidence it gives in the wet.
I agree, I prefer not to have it on those rare occasions when I am in full sport mode.
FRE, Apr 6 2006, 06:30 PMThat's probably true, but couldn't there be engine options? ... perhaps some riders would prefer to be able to go farther on a tank while touring in exchange for a bit less power.
Aardvark892, Mar 27 2006, 09:13 PMActually (and I know none of you want to hear this), this is what I'd suggest for the next VFR:
1) Get rid of that single sided swing-arm: it costs too much 2) Bring the handlebars up an inch or so: this is a sport TOUR bike, let's get comfortable like on the old Interceptors 3) Honda PLEASE stop making such uncomfortable rock hard seats on all your bikes, not just the Gold Wing 4) Larger diameter grips: why do only cruisers have comfy grips? 5) Larger windscreen; just slightly... don't make me have to go to aftermarket to get some decent wind protection 6) Let me trade in my 05 red one for an 06 white one... white Interceptors are the most beautiful bikes!
chris2992, Apr 5 2006, 08:59 AMContrare my friend. The CBR 600 started as one line of bikes then split after the F4I took over as more user friendly and the RR took the race rep status. Then The CBR900 was around until 99, then replaced with the 929, then the 954 and lastly and currently the 1000rr. The VFR has been all over the charts from 1000cc (VF days) to 750 to 781 (or was that 800). Now we have the evolution of the 599 and the 919. Bikes have to stay in their respected classes when it comes to race reps, but the street bikes do not. This is why the VFR is 781 and the CB is a 919. They put the best engine in them, not what is legal per racing rules. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see both of these bikes get redone in the near future with larger engines. The bandit 12 and the sprint st have laid down some good competition for the two bikes, both with larger displacement than the Honda. Now the blackbird got whooped by the Busa, and now the Kawi and the BMW have come to play some serious back road ball, I don't doubt at all to see a hyper bike from honda, just doubt it will be in the name of Blackbird. I doubt yamaha will jump in, they just like to go against the grain too much, we'll see I guess. Only like 4 more months till release time.
True in all aspects, what I was more referring to is there are no major leaps and bounds...The 900 went up 19,29,54, then 1000 CC's. What most people are looking for from a VFR is 1000CC's. Honda doesn't make jumps like that on many bikes. It would be baby steps like VFR 900, 950, then a 1000 Such as they will not take a RC-51 and jump it up to 1300 right off the bat.
I would love to ride a BlackBird I hear they have some nice pull but are very heavy and not very flickable
I haven't taken the time to introduce myself, though I've posted a couple times lately. I'm Joel, from WI. I ride a Yellow VFR. I have 2 kids and a dog. On to the post...
I don't disagree with losing a little weight, but in general, USD forks are not the way to do it. Sure, they may reduce some unsprung weight, but it's my understanding they are considerably heavier and don't offer much more, if any rigidity than std forks. Flexing happens at the triples, not the axle, so the main benefit of the USD forks is the enormous clamping area at the triples.
The SSA is probably heavy, but it's awesome. It's unique. Remember how the Ducatisti howled when they dropped it from the 916/998? Sure, the 999 may be better suited to racing with a conventional SA, but who cares? Only Troy Bayliss and Neil Hodgson. So, since I'm not going to know the difference, I say leave it. It's cool. And that's pretty much the reason I'm riding anyway!
The Aprilia Futura is pretty close to the bike some of you are describing, minus the ABS. It has the USD forks, factory luggage, 1000cc's (with solid torque), gear driven cams, and SSA. Not to mention they're pretty "unique".
I rode a Blackbird last summer. Flickable is not on the menu. Freight-train was the feeling I had. They're long, laid out, and fast. Nothing like a VFR. :D
Red98V4, Apr 13 2006, 10:12 PMHonda doesn't make jumps like that on many bikes. It would be baby steps like VFR 900, 950, then a 1000 Such as they will not take a RC-51 and jump it up to 1300 right off the bat.
A decent increase in capacity will require a V4 that is virtually new from the ground up. That's big $$ in tooling, for relatively few sales compared to Honda's I4 range. So we _might_ see a bump in capacity to maybe 900, but I can't imagine it would be much more.
The RC51 is unlikely to be succeeded by a new version, although I'd guess that the v-twin will live on in a VTR1000 replacement... eventually... the VTR is 10 years old this year!
I would love to ride a BlackBird I hear they have some nice pull but are very heavy and not very flickable
If by 'nice pull' you mean 'disjoint your arms and shoulders', yep :thumbsup: Nevermind that its slower than the Busa and ZX-12R, it is still a monster under WOT. And it weighs and steers about the same as a VFR. The riding position and the power (and the sound I suppose) are the only clear differences between the XX and Viffer. I like the VFR better, mainly because I fit better on it than the XX, which has a long stretch to the bars but is quite cramped for legroom.
Similar styling as 6th gen. 1000-1200 cc, a tad lighter, same swingarm, inverted forks, even more reliable and less fuss (Vtec adjustments @ 16 k) and the most important thing, keep it a V-4. Wonderful motor, great sound.
- Teleportation option (so I can instantly get to the Gap, or other great riding areas without having to ride or trailer)
- Time Travel option (so if I get nailed for speeding, I can travel back in time and either pick a different route or adjust my speed and cackle as I drive safely past the cop)
- Hair Replacement switch (I don't mind letting nature taking its course, but there are times when it could come in handy - like say when you see some babes and you want to amp up the posing factor)
- Muscle Enhancement switch (like previous, so you can get the Gold's Gym bod to go with the flowing hair)
- Ride Like Rossi option (so I can dust all my riding buds)
- Win The Lottery button (to finance all my trips)
- Viagara option ('nuff said)
and on and on.....
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OOOPS , you left out the lifetime supply of gas paid for by honda...
I didn't see this anywhere. What about dropping the chain final drive for either a belt or shaft? Wouldn't that fit the VFR sport touring mode? At a minimum, much less noise from the chain, which could give the other noises front stage.
wow so many different opinions on how to improve, what u have to think of though is that this great bike is being marketed to two completely different markets. for most of us on here it leans toward sport so i can understand all the mods listed above but, why not just stick with mods everybody does anyway. fully adjustable susp. yeah it would be great but how many ppl would screw with it. even on this board there might be only a few dozen that would know how to take advantage of the benifits, so i'm not convinced that it would be that big of a gain but a few things we can all agree on
up the tq shed some lbs smoother ecm tune a non-steel seat
and my .02
-utilize "car style" vtec- on cars vtec operation engages a different cam profile for all 4 valves that are used all the time, on ours it only operates the other 2 valves with same cam profile. -factory available sliders, w/o hacking the fairings -factory heli-bars -and an OEM steering damper
BigMac, Jul 3 2006, 11:51 AM wow so many different opinions on how to improve, what u have to think of though is that this great bike is being marketed to two completely different markets. for most of us on here it leans toward sport so i can understand all the mods listed above but, why not just stick with mods everybody does anyway. fully adjustable susp. yeah it would be great but how many ppl would screw with it. even on this board there might be only a few dozen that would know how to take advantage of the benifits, so i'm not convinced that it would be that big of a gain but a few things we can all agree on
up the tq shed some lbs smoother ecm tune a non-steel seat
and my .02
-utilize "car style" vtec- on cars vtec operation engages a different cam profile for all 4 valves that are used all the time, on ours it only operates the other 2 valves with same cam profile. -factory available sliders, w/o hacking the fairings -factory heli-bars -and an OEM steering damper
Good points.
There do seem to be some basic things we all wouldn't mind having like a few more ponies, a little less weight, flawless FI, etc.
As far as your .02's (which of course would be cool (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/cool.gif) ) I think that some are 1)unlikely from Honda, and 2) are unlikely for this type of bike.
1)Steering damper not likely at least for now on a VFR type bike. They haven't even got one on the current 600RR but that should change in '07. You'd be much more likely to see a damper on the full on sport bikes before the VFR.
2)Sliders w/o cutting the fairings.......we talk about this in frustration all the time. It seems like such an easy thing for Honda to do, and if they did most of us would probably put them on. Again, it seems like Honda isn't really thinking in these terms as none of their recent fairied sport type bikes are designed to mount sliders without cutting. Both my bikes required cutting. I would bet that if Honda designed the fairings with sliders in mind, a lot more people would mount them....I know I held off for while becasue I was afraid of drilling the fairings (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/blink.gif)
Other manufacturers seem to be more incliced to design there fairings for no cut slider install, but not Honda? Like I said, we've talked about this in frustration a number of times (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/goofy.gif)
3)Factory Helis......I think that from Honda's viewpoint that wouldn't be worthwhile as they see the bar height as "considered just right" by lots of VFR owners. I think they would look at it like those that want something different can just go out and get something to fit their individual needs as the majority of people are happy with the OEM setup.
From the latest I've heard, it sounds unfortunatley like we wont' be seeing much new at all from Honda for '07 so that would tend to make me think that a new VFR is even less likely.....I guess we'll find out in Sept.
The Honda 1300 ST has factory frame sliders. They don't look like add-ons either; they are obviously an integral part of the bike and look as though they'd be very effective. Why not on the VFR?
Sometimes it is necessary to tow a bike (although mine hasn't yet been towed). Why not have tie-down points just for that purpose so that no damage will occur during towing? Or at least have places where eye bolts, which could be kept under the seat when not in use, could be screwed in?
It would sure be nice to have something like a small glove compartment / cubby to keep dark glasses and other small items. There is already room for that in the front fairing.
From carefully looking at the bike, it would seem that storage capacity under the seat could easily be increased to allow room for a tire plugging kit and other emergency items.
A helmet lock that doesn't require removing the seat would be nice.
While riding a 2006 Gsxr 750 recently, I thought to myself, "boy, what a nice bike... if it were only comfortable to ride." Consequently, it got me thinking about the fact that all of Honda's competitors believe besting the VFR comes down to more displacement/horsepower. To me, it would be nice if the VFR went back toward the sporty end. Lose 50-75 lbs and simply polish everything up a bit (better brakes, handling, adjustable footpegs, etc) would suit me fine. A few more horsepower might be nice, but I really think Honda should go its own way in defining the SPORT-touring category. Why be like everyone else?
If I had unlimited funds, I'd have a zx-14 for two-up and fast sweeper rides and my VFR for trips to the mountains. Regardless, I plan on keeping my 02 for a long time.
VFRbar, Jul 3 2006, 04:15 PM While riding a 2006 Gsxr 750 recently, I thought to myself, "boy, what a nice bike... if it were only comfortable to ride." Consequently, it got me thinking about the fact that all of Honda's competitors believe besting the VFR comes down to more displacement/horsepower. To me, it would be nice if the VFR went back toward the sporty end. Lose 50-75 lbs and simply polish everything up a bit (better brakes, handling, adjustable footpegs, etc) would suit me fine. A few more horsepower might be nice, but I really think Honda should go its own way in defining the SPORT-touring category. Why be like everyone else?
If I had unlimited funds, I'd have a zx-14 for two-up and fast sweeper rides and my VFR for trips to the mountains. Regardless, I plan on keeping my 02 for a long time.
I ride a VFR because its a comfortable sportbike. Yes, you CAN tour on it if you want, but if I really wanted to do 1000 mile days without a sore rear/back/wrists, I'd ride an ST (OK, so maybe even an ST won't be that comfy, but you get the point). I mean no offense, but those of you who want adjustable windscreens, heated grips, higher handlebars, etc bought the wrong bike and need to contact the ST development team (maybe if it looked "sportier" you might own an ST instead??). With this in mind, here's my 2 cents.
1. Displacement is fine - lets improve the VTEC so its not so noticeable but still gets the currently respectable gas mileage, and a deep, nasty growl is always appreciated. I love the cams (I ride a 97), but I don't think Honda is going in this direction. 0-60 in 3.0s is fast enough and I don't want the extra insurance premiums or the extra ability to launch myself into danger with 1000cc's. Honda would be silly to expand it beyond 900, although I wouldn't be upset with just a couple more ponies. Why "keep up" with the Triumph Sprint ST when your bike is the one setting the standard??? 2. Braided steel lines - this is a comfortable sportbike - spongy brakes don't fit the profile. 3. Fully adjustable suspension - who doesn't want their tires in contact with the pavement? 4. Keep the ABS as an option - great for the rain, if you don't like it, don't buy it. 5. Lose a couple pounds, but not too much - the sixth gens gained some serious weight over the 4th and 5th gens - I really like the way my 4th gen handles - heavy enough to not get blown off the road, light enough to flick around. I learned on a Ninja 250, and the new 600's don't weigh all that much more - I don't want a bike that light for street riding. 6. Lose the fat tail section that was obviously expanded to integrate the under-tail dual exhaust. I'm not for reverting to the old style side exhaust (although it would cut a few pounds), but something sharper would look good (Daytona 675 exhaust). UNLESS Honda wants to put in some sort of storage compartment for rain gear and a first aid kit back there - then a little extra space would come in handy. 7. Slipper clutch anyone? Ok, so this one is far fetched, but who doesn't like smooth downshifts? 8. Factory pro shift kit - these parts can't cost more than about $15 to make (although Factory Pro charges $90), and apparently work well according to forum members who've installed them. Why can't Honda install something like this from the start? 9. I'm in favor of keeping the single sided swing arm, even at the expense of weight. Its too freakin cool! 10. Keep up the good work Honda! Looking forward to drooling over the next gen! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)
The VFR IMO is a sport bike with a touring edge, not a full on repli racer wannabe sport bike or a touring machine. An agile machine with ALL DAY comfort. With this in mind I'd like the following:
1) At least 1200 cc's of gear driven non V-tec power, say 130-140 rwhp and at least 85 lbs of torque. Seamless big grunt would be sweet and required to keep up with the competition (FJR 1300, BMW etc).
2) Same size, but a bit less weight of a 5th gen. If you want bigger bike buy an ST1300 or a Wing.
3) The latest adjustable suspension. It should be standard on a bike of this caliber...
4) Options: heated grips, electrical outlets, side bags etc.
5) Shaft drive? If not then keep the single sided swing arm.
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