Anybody Else Regret Buying Their Vfr1200?

After doing all the mods that make shamu as good as it can be for me and 8000 miles later I'm stuck with a bike that I can't get rid of. Well not for a decent return anyway.

The mods include:

1st & 2nd gear issue mod

ohlins rear shock

up standard type handlebars

powercommander

removed catalytic converter with Leo Vince muffler

The worst thing is my GSXR 1000(with standard handlebar setup) is more comfortable on long rides than my VFR and a helluva lot more fun.

Anyone else feeling buyers remorse?

((((((The worst thing is my GSXR 1000(with standard handlebar setup) is more comfortable on long rides than my VFR and a helluva lot more fun.)))))

Wow!  For someone whose considering a 1000 RR to replace the VFR 800,  While I raised the forks to drop the front end on the 800, I also raised the clipons. The 1200 doesnt seem to have this adjustbility if needed. To me it also seems to have a tighter peg to seat relation than the 800, is this true?

While I like some of the ammenties on the 800, nice dashboard, I test rode a R1 crossplane and it was like riding on a Furnace, I couldnt tolerate it for long. So that leaves the ZX1000 or the Honda 1000rr.

The seat to peg distance is tighter than the GSXR by 1 inch. The reach to the bars is longer as well which folds you up more.

Can we get a picture of you?  you must have a very specific body shape......

I can relate to the folding you up more, Im not looking for that, kinda shocked the GXsr has more seat to peg distance than the 1200.

I rode the 1000RR and thought it was a bit small for me. GSXR's tend to be a bit more accommodating for taller riders  I'm 6'1''

After doing all the mods that make shamu as good as it can be for me and 8000 miles later I'm stuck with a bike that I can't get rid of. Well not for a decent return anyway.

The mods include:

1st & 2nd gear issue mod

ohlins rear shock

up standard type handlebars

powercommander

removed catalytic converter with Leo Vince muffler

The worst thing is my GSXR 1000(with standard handlebar setup) is more comfortable on long rides than my VFR and a helluva lot more fun.

Anyone else feeling buyers remorse?

You may be thinking the mods you've done have somehow increased the value of the bike but they will make it impossible to use as a trade in. The removal of the catylitic converter makes the bike unsellable, or certainly un registerable. Put it back to bone stock and trade up.

As for the money you've spent on it, it's in the passed, forget about it.

What do you dislike about it?  You mentioned only that the bike is uncomfortable on long rides.that.

After doing all the mods that make shamu as good as it can be for me and 8000 miles later I'm stuck with a bike that I can't get rid of. Well not for a decent return anyway.

The mods include:

1st & 2nd gear issue mod

ohlins rear shock

up standard type handlebars

powercommander

removed catalytic converter with Leo Vince muffler

The worst thing is my GSXR 1000(with standard handlebar setup) is more comfortable on long rides than my VFR and a helluva lot more fun.

Anyone else feeling buyers remorse?

You may be thinking the mods you've done have somehow increased the value of the bike but they will make it impossible to use as a trade in. The removal of the catylitic converter makes the bike unsellable, or certainly un registerable. Put it back to bone stock and trade up.

As for the money you've spent on it, it's in the passed, forget about it.

Tamworth ,

in regards to my mods and my intentions you are a little off The cat removal was simply a performance thing that probobly takes value away but does not create a registration issue here in California. As I  understand some states do vehicle  inspections. With the probobility of Ca. following suit my mod to the exhaust system is easily reversable by design .

Anyway your kind of veering off the topic of intent.

Alaskan.

I don't like the TBW feeling of disconnect(I you have this explained to than you will never get it)

I dont like the ABS

The weight (although I knew what I was getting into)

The riding position is cramped for a big bike or any bike

Interestingly Cyle-ergo.com shows the VFR and GSXR have the same seat-to-peg (indicated in knee angle). The Gixxer has a much longer and lower reach to the bars which shows up with much more weight on your wrists and a sharper hip angle that can lead to discomfort for some.

The VFR 1200 really is a great looking bike in person but all I have to do to talk myself out of buying one is to sit on it. My 55 year-old knees (I'm 6'2") cannot take the cramped position or otherwise I would already own one. I traded my Blackbird in years ago for a 5th gen so I get what the VFR1200 has to offer I think.

Maybe BLS has a peg lowering kit available?

KEB

I'll trade you a low mileage 5th gen for it! :tour:

My GSXR is an  08 and as I said has standard type handlebars not clipons. As for the seat to peg relationship the GSXR is as measured 1 in. longer. Lowering the pegs on the VFR is an option I don't want to do as I already scrape the pegs as they are.i would consider a higher seat but that doesn't solve all the issues.This bike is an exercise in design and it misses the mark.i don't see the need for TBW when yhe bike doesn;t have traction control for instance.It doesn't make sense.But I knew all of this going in

Don't regret the purchase. However, I did buy a custom seat which moved the riding position forward about 1&1/2 inches and also lowered the pegs an inch.  Both made the 1200 more accomodating to me (I'm 5'10")  It is a longer reach to the bars than the VFR800 I had, but with the new seat and pegs, i can put in 10 hour days with no issues. 

The riding position is, more or less, identical to the other VFR (750 and 800), is difficult to feel a difference.

I normally do 500-600 km without problems. Sportbikes are a totally different thing.

The only modification that I will do is the handlebar positioning on top of fork, recovering about 12 mm from standard position.

I'm 6' tall and 54 years old.

Ooohhh for a 6th gen body with a 1000 CC (or more) gear driven engine.  I can just dream.

My GSXR is an  08 and as I said has standard type handlebars not clipons. As for the seat to peg relationship the GSXR is as measured 1 in. longer. Lowering the pegs on the VFR is an option I don't want to do as I already scrape the pegs as they are.i would consider a higher seat but that doesn't solve all the issues.This bike is an exercise in design and it misses the mark.i don't see the need for TBW when yhe bike doesn;t have traction control for instance.It doesn't make sense.But I knew all of this going in

So I lowered my 6th gen's footpegs but shimmed the shock (raised the bike) to compensate. I love the way the bike feels now. In a perfect world you would try these simple mods and let me know how it works. :smile: As for the TBW it is only a matter of time before most bikes have them. We may have to get used to it or figure out a fix.

If there was any possibility that you could mod the VFR into something you enjoy to ride it is comforting to know that you have a machine that will likely hold up very well over the years to come. I know when I see a 1200 in the flesh I am always struck by how modern and distinctive it looks so I predict the bike will age extremely well.

KEB

TBW?? What is TBW??

Ooohhh for a 6th gen body with a 1000 CC (or more) gear driven engine.  I can just dream.

You know, I totally agree with this.  That would be the perfect package.  I would also lose the linked brakes.

IG

TBW?? What is TBW??

Throttle by wire

You never get back what you put into a bike, and as with cars, it depreciates the minute you drive off the lot. If you have mods, you will always have to sell separately unless the private buyer wants them. I never trade in a bike, the dealer will always hand you your arse, then turn around and make a big profit.

I do not regret buying. Finding a powerful bike that a 5'1" female with a 26" inseam can ride is a very narrow choice unless I want to be stuck riding a 250 rebel for the remainder of my life.. I sold my 06 CBR1000RR for it, which had much worse ergos for long rides. This one is better, but still a little hard on the neck.

That's why I'm adding a Goldwing to the mix, and keeping this one too.

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Alaskan.

I don't like the TBW feeling of disconnect(I you have this explained to than you will never get it)

I dont like the ABS

The weight (although I knew what I was getting into)

The riding position is cramped for a big bike or any bike

Not sure what you're feeling with the throttle when you say "disconnect", it's as responsive as non TBW, maybe too responsive for some people, and your "never get it" comment is just plain condescending.

The only reason someone wouldn't like abs is because it prevents them from locking up their tires.

It seems everything you don't like about the bike would be quite obvious before purchase.

Anyway, not to veer of topic intent, looks like nobody else feels buyer remorse. The only other people who are disappointed with the 12 are people who don't own and have never ridden one.

Just sell it for what you can get and get a different bike.

Those who regret buying a VFR1200F have done so and moved on I suppose...

Alaskan,

I not trying to i nsult anyone here by any means.There is no doubt I rolled the dice on this one. I love the looks of the bike and I expected that the ABS would be a non-issue as well as the linked  brakes. The ABS is a low level system that can hurt you more than help you.The on or off effect of the ABS has often left me deeper in a corner with more speed than I would like by simply hitting a small patch of sand the size of a pie plate but letting go of the brakes for 15ft. than coming back.It's a slow and abrupt system that doesn't  benefit an experienced rider.Just my opinion. I just like to have complete control of the motorcycle wether it be brakes or throttle or anything else.You don't see abs on offroad bikes do you ? Hard braking is gonna compromise traction I just don't like the bike deciding when to modulate brakes when it can't do it as well as I can.

One last thing.I have never owned a VFR so I came in to this blind. I'm not looking to debate why or why not this bike is great.I'm not looking for advise on how to off it or wether my mods are good or bad .I just was wondering if anyone felt the same as me. It's a bike that doesn't fit the bill for me .I'm glad most of you guys love your bike.I wish I could say the same believe me.That being said .I wish all a Happy holiday,Merry x-mas and a properous New Year.

I wonder if the abs degraded over the 800?   The 800 ABS has been very decent, I know if Im hard stoppping on a very slick road, the abs gives alot of freelance in adjustment that I wouldnt trust as much manually.  Meaning by the time you break traction, release and reapply the abs did it in less that one second. I doubt anyone is that quick maually.

But the VFR is the only abs system Ive ever been okay with, all cars and trucks most of them have sucked with weak brakes as a result of abs.

Have you tried just to block the abs sensors and see how the brakes work?     Im thinking of trying that on my Truck atleast the fuse, cause that abs really sucks

RWR, you are not alone.

PM sent.

These guys on the forum can try to justify their purchases all they want, but there are always used VFR1200 for sale.

there are always used everything for sale.

Haven't regretted my 1200 for a minute. I only regret that it's minus 20 and a foot of snow on the ground right now and I can't wheel it out of the garage for a spin.

These guys on the forum can try to justify their purchases all they want, but there are always used VFR1200 for sale.

 

 

 
there are always used everything for sale.
Haven't regretted my 1200 for a minute. I only regret that it's minus 20 and a foot of snow on the ground right now and I can't wheel it out of the garage for a spin.

Alaskan,

I not trying to i nsult anyone here by any means.There is no doubt I rolled the dice on this one. I love the looks of the bike and I expected that the ABS would be a non-issue as well as the linked  brakes. The ABS is a low level system that can hurt you more than help you.The on or off effect of the ABS has often left me deeper in a corner with more speed than I would like by simply hitting a small patch of sand the size of a pie plate but letting go of the brakes for 15ft. than coming back.It's a slow and abrupt system that doesn't  benefit an experienced rider.Just my opinion. I just like to have complete control of the motorcycle wether it be brakes or throttle or anything else.You don't see abs on offroad bikes do you ? Hard braking is gonna compromise traction I just don't like the bike deciding when to modulate brakes when it can't do it as well as I can.

One last thing.I have never owned a VFR so I came in to this blind. I'm not looking to debate why or why not this bike is great.I'm not looking for advise on how to off it or wether my mods are good or bad .I just was wondering if anyone felt the same as me. It's a bike that doesn't fit the bill for me .I'm glad most of you guys love your bike.I wish I could say the same believe me.That being said .I wish all a Happy holiday,Merry x-mas and a properous New Year.

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No problem, my friend.  I am not a VFR1200 owner and do not have any emotional - or financial - investment in the bike.  I was just curious what your issues were with the ride.  You did not step on my toes at all!  Merry Christmas, amigo!

Ooohhh for a 6th gen body with a 1000 CC (or more) gear driven engine.  I can just dream.

You know, I totally agree with this.  That would be the perfect package.  I would also lose the linked brakes.

IG

I little more HP would be cool.  My 6th G makes around 100 HP on the dyno.  A  20 percent boost would be awesome!

The linked brakes don't bother me.  I don''t even notice the linked-brakes effect.  Except going down a steep gravel road is dicey with linked brakes . . .

I waited almost two yrs before buying a barely used '10 VFR1200.  I suppose I should thank those who do regret buying theirs for the steady supply of low-mileage VFR1200 - amazing given how few of them were sold in the first place.  Two dealers in town still have brand new '10 sitting on their floor.

It is a legitimate question to ask, considering Honda's misteps.   Personally, I can't really "regret" it because I knew every las one of VFR1200's issues.  Test rode both the manual and DCT versions, extensively.  Is it perfect?  Hardly.  Then again, niether are the other 8 bikes I bought in the past 2 yrs.

120 mile range?  I need pee breaks anyway.  1st and 2nd power restriction?  Doesn't bother me much the way I ride the VFR.  I've got other bikes for that sort of shenanigance anyway. :rolleyes:   OEM bags too small and cost too much?  Givi E55 and V35's will fix that right up.  Ergo problems?  I find it just the right balance between the litre sport bikes I had, and the C14 that's a bit too upright.  It all depends on the rider.  ABS issues?  Heck, if ABS engages often enough on the street to bother me, I probably should rethink the way I ride on public roads.  To me, braking that hard on a regular basis is what Track Days are for.  I have a track bike, and the VFR ain't it.

That said, when a bike no longer quickens my pulse when I swing a leg over, then it's time to move on.  No analysis necessary.

Ooohhh for a 6th gen body with a 1000 CC (or more) gear driven engine.  I can just dream.

When pigs fly........Honda never gives its customers what they really want........Personally, they stopped doing so for me after they built my 4th gen......and my Hawk GT 650...

Beck

95 VFR

I love my 1200. Had the 6th Gen and went up to the 2012 model 1200. TBW is no issue for me and feels more responsive than my 800 ever did. Traction control is great and can be turned on/off when needed if you want to burn out a rear tyre. ABS. Cant say I have ever felt it kick in yet and have done some pretty hard braking. The 1200 brakes are much better then my 800 ever was. If I see sand or whatever on the road in front of me I let the brakes go anyway and then re-apply after. Never trust anything to do something I can do myself but nice to know it is there if it is needed on those slippery tarry spots.

Simply love the torgue of the machine. It just pulls and pulls right through. 1st and 2nd gear not so much of an issue on the 2012 model. Still a bit lacking low down but I am not a drag racer so don't need that much power off the line.

lets face it, if Honda had produced a simple motorized 6 speed (vfr 1000) with hydraulic valved GP motor, race level suspension, and adjusted for ammenities and comfort.

90 % of everyone would be Drooling like CRAZY, and trying to buy!

Honda is just too BIG for their Bitches, and why their bikes sit for years on the showroom Unbought.

lets face it, if Honda had produced a simple motorized 6 speed (vfr 1000) with hydraulic valved GP motor, race level suspension, and adjusted for ammenities and comfort.

90 % of everyone would be Drooling like CRAZY, and trying to buy!

Honda is just too BIG for their Bitches, and why their bikes sit for years on the showroom Unbought.

Hydraulic valved ????

lets face it, if Honda had produced a simple motorized 6 speed (vfr 1000) with hydraulic valved GP motor, race level suspension, and adjusted for ammenities and comfort.

90 % of everyone would be Drooling like CRAZY, and trying to buy!

Honda is just too BIG for their Bitches, and why their bikes sit for years on the showroom Unbought.

Sounds like some kind of Homer Simpson mobile :laughing6-hehe:

Is pneumatic the word you failed to retrieve for your discription of a moto gp engine.

Motors are electric

lets face it, if Honda had produced a simple motorized 6 speed (vfr 1000) with hydraulic valved GP motor, race level suspension, and adjusted for ammenities and comfort.

90 % of everyone would be Drooling like CRAZY, and trying to buy!

Honda is just too BIG for their Bitches, and why their bikes sit for years on the showroom Unbought.

I think, of late, Honda has been trying a little harder, losing a bit of their traditional arrogance.   Their cars are looking more nicely styled, (on the outside), and on the bike side they're delivering more mainstream-type machines to the marketplace like the new 500's and the CB1100--very conventional machines that should appeal to riders in their segments, (-as opposed to past efforts like the DN01 which didn't appeal to anyone).  

For many years, Honda sportbike riders have been asking for a V4 sucessor to the Fireblade, and if the latest rumours are true it might even happen this time...  which is positive news.  Maybe Honda is finally starting  to acknowledge the desires of their customers ...?

I appreciate the riding impressions.  I would really like to ride one, but unlike Ducati dealers, Honda dealers NEVER allow test rides.

I appreciate the riding impressions.  I would really like to ride one, but unlike Ducati dealers, Honda dealers NEVER allow test rides.

I guess it depends on the dealer. 

I got to ride the first VFR1200 in the Greater Toronto Area back in 2010.  But, it was designated a demo-bike by the dealer, (he demo's 1 bike/year), and I had bought my 1000RR from him.  I was given the keys and sent on my way---which is the best way to test ride a bike!   I hate doing those traditional group demo rides...which most of the manufacturers do around here.

I appreciate the riding impressions.  I would really like to ride one, but unlike Ducati dealers, Honda dealers NEVER allow test rides.

The Honda dealers I know will give you the keys to a demo on Friday and as you to have it back before closing Monday with a bit of gas left in it.

I think, of late, Honda has been trying a little harder, losing a bit of their traditional arrogance.   Their cars are looking more nicely styled, (on the outside), and on the bike side they're delivering more mainstream-type machines to the marketplace like the new 500's and the CB1100--very conventional machines that should appeal to riders in their segments, (-as opposed to past efforts like the DN01 which didn't appeal to anyone).  
 
For many years, Honda sportbike riders have been asking for a V4 sucessor to the Fireblade, and if the latest rumours are true it might even happen this time...  which is positive news.  Maybe Honda is finally starting  to acknowledge the desires of their customers ...?

Honda dealers NEVER allow test rides.

Depends on the dealer and also depends on the sales person's impression of the person requesting the test ride.

My test ride of my VFR had three conditions. Helmet required and either bring it back when I was done with it or stop in and pay for it.

I think, of late, Honda has been trying a little harder, losing a bit of their traditional arrogance.   Their cars are looking more nicely styled, (on the outside), and on the bike side they're delivering more mainstream-type machines to the marketplace like the new 500's and the CB1100--very conventional machines that should appeal to riders in their segments, (-as opposed to past efforts like the DN01 which didn't appeal to anyone).  
 
For many years, Honda sportbike riders have been asking for a V4 sucessor to the Fireblade, and if the latest rumours are true it might even happen this time...  which is positive news.  Maybe Honda is finally starting  to acknowledge the desires of their customers ...?

true. Although Honda came up with wild things like the DN01 precisely because they were criticized for being too bland with their offerings. Now they are applauded for going back to giving us what they've always given us.

Actually, it's worse than that.   I believe that Honda made the DN01 just because they wanted to.  Their attitude being one of superiority--"We are Honda--we know best."  With their new 500, Honda is basically resorting to regurgitating an existing bike: the EX500---a bike that Kawasaki had been making for 20+ years.  They've admitted defeat and are making whatever they think will sell units--"safe bets."

Making a new fleet of V-4s would be cool for sure, but I'm sure their bean counters wouldn't let that happen, IMO.   The last really cool bike they made was the RC51.

Actually, it's worse than that.   I believe that Honda made the DN01 just because they wanted to.  Their attitude being one of superiority--"We are Honda--we know best."  With their new 500, Honda is basically resorting to regurgitating an existing bike: the EX500---a bike that Kawasaki had been making for 20+ years.  They've admitted defeat and are making whatever they think will sell units--"safe bets."

Making a new fleet of V-4s would be cool for sure, but I'm sure their bean counters wouldn't let that happen, IMO.   The last really cool bike they made was the RC51.

That arrogance can work both ways though.  VFR1200F/FD is another product of that sense of engineering superiority.  Honda must know the target demographic for Viffer Grande was small, so it was never gonna be a big seller.  They built it to be the Halo Bike of their lineup, to showcase their engineering prowess, and to pave forward more accetability for more main stream bikes like the NC700X with the same DCT tecnology.

As a VFR1200 enthusiast, I am grateful for them having enough cojones to build such a beast.  In other cases like the DN01, uhh... not so much.

"Anybody else regret buying their VFR1200?"

NOPE.

NO don't regret my purchase at all.

It's simply the best all-round motorcycle I've owned since I started riding back in 1970. I have had countless motorcycles from then to now, virtually all classes and displacements,  currently 12 titled and 6 that I ride regularly. There's no need to "justify" anything to myself or anyone in saying I prefer my VFR DCT over ANY bike I have owned. It's just a personal fact, and I don't really expect nor care if anyone agrees with me or not. I don't say that with an attitude in the slightest, everyone has their own feelings which I respect whole heartedly. Ride what you like and respect others right to do the same.

Since owning the bike, I have gone on 4 solo trips between 2400-3800 in most all conditions, and as a result of those trips and daily driving I have made modifications which tailor and focus the bike more to my needs, desires and preferences. Most notable of these; electronic cruise control, heli-bars, a larger top case, heated grips, much better tires and exhaust. I did swap out to the optional lower seat, but am still searching for another seat, hopefully heated. So yes, it was not "perfect" to me from Honda. From my standpoint the bike is too expensive, or at least the cases should have been included in the price, and cruise control and heated grips should have been standard perhaps in an optional Tour package, and yes the gas tank should be a gallon bigger. Having said that I can routinely get 160-175 miles between tank fill ups and have 4 times gotten over 200 miles on a tank. Judicious throttle, DCT with my Cruise control I think increases my range. The DCT is highly personal, but I love it... and it proves itself time in and out, especially on long trips where I'm fully loaded and packed.

I find the bike, for ME, as a SOLO sport-tourer, suitably quick and agile, not overly large/heavy, yet not too small, and perhaps leaning, as I preferred, more to sport than tour. I figured I could then modify to a more Touring bike. It has also been perfectly fine as a two-up long weekend tourer, and although I have not gone on a long two-up trip yet, do not see as an issue with "travel-minded" packing.

That brings up the cost of modifications. Simply... you almost never get out what you put in, on resale. Period. I have enough bike and car projects under my belt to learn this first hand. So do what you want to do for yourself and call it a day. If the platform of your project isn't close enough to your final expectations, then choose another bike to begin with, or do the changes out of love of modding and be done with it.

I have never found the perfect bike. For me, perhaps there is no such animal. The VFR1200F DCT however is, without question, a fantastic overall bike that can be a daily rider and that can put down serious miles with speed and agility and packed to boot. Also being a Honda, from experience, you can find a dealer or service with more confidence than say BMW. This is an important point, as in my last trip, a deer intersected my path in the fog on I 75 at about 62 mph. Two days later, after a very helpful Knoxville, TN Honda dealer had special ordered parts to get me back on the road, I was on my way home and to my local shop, where the bike was made like new again, complete with the OEM white I had on when purchased.

So, I have no question about my purchase decision, and can honestly state that if I HAD to choose ONE bike; It'd be MY VFR1200F DCT.

Great post!

+1 Yeah none are perfect but I too think Honda should have fix F.I. problem that has plaque the 6th gen 

but I will probably still buy one eventually.

ZillaMoto, what is your overall impression of the Honda lower seat?  What sort of difference did it make vs. stock '10?  Same surface texture?  Some pictures would really be appreciated.

I am thinking about ordering the lower seat, but haven't found too many reviews of it.

lets face it, if Honda had produced a simple motorized 6 speed (vfr 1000) with hydraulic valved GP motor, race level suspension, and adjusted for ammenities and comfort.

90 % of everyone would be Drooling like CRAZY, and trying to buy!

Honda is just too BIG for their Bitches, and why their bikes sit for years on the showroom Unbought.

Sounds like some kind of Homer Simpson mobile :laughing6-hehe:

And don't forget it has to be priced under 10 grand.

lets face it, if Honda had produced a simple motorized 6 speed (vfr 1000) with hydraulic valved GP motor, race level suspension, and adjusted for ammenities and comfort.

90 % of everyone would be Drooling like CRAZY, and trying to buy!

Honda is just too BIG for their Bitches, and why their bikes sit for years on the showroom Unbought.

What if Honda would have reached out to the fans in 08 and 09 and told us that the next VFR would be a bit of a departure.... It would have a 50 percent increase in power and displacement, seriously upgraded brakes and suspension, a new generation of shaft drive with a sliding CV joint, a bunch of engine technology trickled directly down from MotoGP and the option of a F1-style dual clutch gearbox. It will weigh about 20Kg more than a VFR800ABS and will move up the product line as a premium flagship model, but still be priced below a K1300S. What would the reaction have been?

My point is that Honda successfully made a great motorcycle, but failed to manage expectations and blew the launch. Fortunately for enthusiasts that can separate the flyshit from the pepper, you can now own the World's best sport-touring motorcycle for under ten grand.

Me, I paid closer to $20k (Canada) but I had a hard-on for this thing since the first spy photos dropped. Still no regrets.

edit: every manufacturer has 2-3 year old bikes sitting in the showroom unbought right now. I can head down to the local multi-line euro dealer and have my choice of a brand-new: 2009 RSV1000 Factory, 2008 Guzzi V7 Classic, 2010 Triumph Tiger. Or I can head over to the Kawi Yammy dealer and get a brand new 09 FJR, 09 ZX-6R, 2010 R6 or R1... etc etc. Not a good time to be in the powersports industry right now. Honda have reacted quickly by introducing a stack of cheap entry-level and learner bikes.

I think it was that everyone was expecting a next-gen VFR with the CBR-looks treatment, then got the 600 pound Cylon-look instead..

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ZillaMoto, what is your overall impression of the Honda lower seat?  What sort of difference did it make vs. stock '10?  Same surface texture?  Some pictures would really be appreciated.

I am thinking about ordering the lower seat, but haven't found too many reviews of it.

Although the seat appears the same, and has the same (in my view) slippery surface... the very subtle appearing difference of just being bit lower across the whole dimension front to rear translates to a not subtle and noticeable change so that the rider does not slide forward as easily and/or carry his weight on his "stuff". It made a huge difference to me, lessening the weight on my wrists occurring from the counteracting of that slide forward, decompressing my stuff, and therefore decreasing marginally the hot spot on my groin during long rides. Pictures won't show you the difference. They effectively look the same, but if you want, take a look at my gallery, and if you see the bike loaded up, that's the lower seat on it.

I'm 6', 180 lbs, yet I have a shorter inseam, 32-33" so although i did notice my legs were bent a bit more acutely, it has not seemed to be a problem. It seems to have a bit less padding thickness, but again is not inherently much difference from the standard seat in hardness. I still find the seat a bit too slippery, but that makes the seat still nice for sporty rides as you can slide your butt from side to side easily, and still hang on the edge of the firm seat which is harder to do in the scooped out solutions of some aftermarket seats.

After a couple long rides and 18 mo. or so,  I wondered if perhaps I had imagined the benefits or over exaggerated to myself the benefits of the lower seat and put the original back on. I took it off after 100 mile "retest" jaunt... there's no imagining. For me the lower seat IS better. Is it worth the money? That's up to an individual's wallet and ass. I happened to get mine 25% off, so it was worth it. The comments are all based on the 2010 seat, and low seat option. I understand the 2013 seat is different but have not seen it or heard any reports on it. I am/was hoping my dealer would have a new VFR to swap seats out and test if possible.

Now having said all the above, I am still looking for another seat specifically for long-range TOURING. There's nothing I see available in the aftermarket yet that comes off the shelf the way I want. Therefore I am looking at taking the original seatpan and having a heated seat made, constructed with laminar modern foam construction over a covered gel core. The passenger pillion will be wider, spreading completely to and between the passenger grips, with more of a demarcation between rider and pillion, but not to the degree of looking like a step sofa. The covering needs to be more grippy, yet more breathable. The overall dimension can go back to the standard height for more padding as long as it is flatter front to rear like the optional low Honda seat, but it still needs to have a sporty look, and be stiff enough to hang off the edges. The seat will be subtly contoured for "jewel cradling" rather than smashing. Roasted and pressed nuts are not a delicacy on long trips I'm afraid. Yes, my desired spec's are a tall order but I hope to have my solution by this coming summer.

Apologize for the long winded response,just tried to give the straight stuff as I have found. As always, your findings may vary.

edit: every manufacturer has 2-3 year old bikes sitting in the showroom unbought right now. I can head down to the local multi-line euro dealer and have my choice of a brand-new: 2009 RSV1000 Factory, 2008 Guzzi V7 Classic, 2010 Triumph Tiger. Or I can head over to the Kawi Yammy dealer and get a brand new 09 FJR, 09 ZX-6R, 2010 R6 or R1... etc etc. Not a good time to be in the powersports industry right now. Honda have reacted quickly by introducing a stack of cheap entry-level and learner bikes.

Fully agree to this. Not too many people buying new bikes. Used bike market is pretty good with good prices. Honda is doing the business smart thing by introducing low-price bikes to find better markets. I've had more conversations about people thinking about buying the NC700X than the CBRs, or VFRs, or S1000RRs.

Although the seat appears the same, and has the same (in my view) slippery surface... the very subtle appearing difference of just being bit lower across the whole dimension front to rear translates to a not subtle and noticeable change so that the rider does not slide forward as easily and/or carry his weight on his "stuff". It made a huge difference to me, lessening the weight on my wrists occurring from the counteracting of that slide forward, decompressing my stuff, and therefore decreasing marginally the hot spot on my groin during long rides...

 Wow, thanks for taking the time to write this.  Every word is appreciated.  Your assessment of the stock seat is spot on with mine.  I actually don't mind the slippery surface too much.  I have a ZX10R seat on my C14 for in-town riding, precisely because it is a bit lower, narrower, and slipperier, which is better for "spirited riding". :smile:    For long haul, I switch to Kawi's lower gel seat.  For my 175lbs 5'7" and 30" inseam frame, the VFR1200 stock seat feel a lot lower and much more confidence inspiring than the C14, even thought published seat height aren't that different.  But... I'm after the "fringe benefits" of the lower seat you described.  I'm not too concern about comfort for the very long haul.  I'm replacing the C14 with VFR because I didn't get to tour as much as I originally thought.  I have no doubt the VFR will be fine for the 3-4 day 1200 mile tours I do once or twice a yr.

I have a local Honda dealer here that is very good about parts and accessory discount.  I got the center stand and tank pad for less than the lowest I can find online.  Pretty sure I can get the lower seat for less than $200, which is a bargain considering what aftermarket seat typically go for.

Thanks again for your review of the lower seat.

What if Honda would have reached out to the fans in 08 and 09 and told us that the next VFR would be a bit of a departure.... It would have a 50 percent increase in power and displacement, seriously upgraded brakes and suspension, a new generation of shaft drive with a sliding CV joint, a bunch of engine technology trickled directly down from MotoGP and the option of a F1-style dual clutch gearbox. It will weigh about 20Kg more than a VFR800ABS and will move up the product line as a premium flagship model, but still be priced below a K1300S. What would the reaction have been?

My point is that Honda successfully made a great motorcycle, but failed to manage expectations and blew the launch. Fortunately for enthusiasts that can separate the flyshit from the pepper, you can now own the World's best sport-touring motorcycle for under ten grand.

Me, I paid closer to $20k (Canada) but I had a hard-on for this thing since the first spy photos dropped. Still no regrets.

edit: every manufacturer has 2-3 year old bikes sitting in the showroom unbought right now. I can head down to the local multi-line euro dealer and have my choice of a brand-new: 2009 RSV1000 Factory, 2008 Guzzi V7 Classic, 2010 Triumph Tiger. Or I can head over to the Kawi Yammy dealer and get a brand new 09 FJR, 09 ZX-6R, 2010 R6 or R1... etc etc. Not a good time to be in the powersports industry right now. Honda have reacted quickly by introducing a stack of cheap entry-level and learner bikes.

Well said.  In early 2011, when I started looking to get back to riding, the VFR1200 was one of the first few bikes that caught my eye.  By then, all the hype and subsequent letdown had come and gone.  I was left wondering what da heck was all that hoopla about.  Here is a solid piece of hardware built to the usual Honda quality and refinement.  No, it wasn't a SS1000R killer; nor was it meant to whip FJR/C14/RT/Norge's butt in a battle of the traditional STs.  It is a "gentlemen's sportbike" as define by the K1300S and arguable better than the German orignial.  It targets folks who have ridden mostly sportbikes previously, but age and family have conspired to rid them of their shenanigant ways.  A few even get together to ride "The Pace" for a few 100 miles at a time.  But... still nowhere old enough to join the Goldwing club or, gulp... the geezerglide gang.  In another words... riders like me.

Blame Honda for not marketing the VFR1200, indeed.  Starting with the fact that Honda still list the VFR1200 as the flagship under the Sportbike category on their own website.  Somehow, I get the sense Honda doesn't much care.  They built it like they built the NSX - to sell other more mundane hardware having bits and pieces of its styling and technology.  How else could you explain a CBR250 that has almost exactly the same paint scheme and looks?  And the NC700 having the same DCT?

edit: every manufacturer has 2-3 year old bikes sitting in the showroom unbought right now. I can head down to the local multi-line euro dealer and have my choice of a brand-new: 2009 RSV1000 Factory, 2008 Guzzi V7 Classic, 2010 Triumph Tiger. Or I can head over to the Kawi Yammy dealer and get a brand new 09 FJR, 09 ZX-6R, 2010 R6 or R1... etc etc. Not a good time to be in the powersports industry right now. Honda have reacted quickly by introducing a stack of cheap entry-level and learner bikes.

Agreed.  If leftover 2010 bikes in late 2012 means it is a bad bike, then what does that mean for the 6th gen?  I bought my 2008 as a new leftover in September 2011. 

There's leftover everything right now, not just VFRs.

NEVER had regrets buying any bike. I'm on #16th now and  enjoyed every one of them...

I dont regret mine one bit, its not a 98 thats for sure but then again the way I got mine was dream nobody could have predicted! The power of the thing is absolutely intoxicating, its heafty in the very tight stuff and I often get passed by the more nimble 5th/6th gens in the very tight stuff of North Carolina I dont mind I am still in the hunt, but boy its a lot of fun on the sweepers. I am riding this thing just as fast if not faster - smoother then my 98! But I did do some tweeking to give it a better ride, like my ohlins shock boy that was a big difference there, the corbin seat is a lot better on my previously broken pelvis then the stock seat. And all the gadgets are on there now! 

I just had to learn how to ride it, and it requires smoother inputs, not as good on a dirt road either but boy crossing the plains of Oklahoma and you want to speed up that last 100 miles to the next town, the roll on power is enough to make you laugh out loud in your helmet - or crossing the Loneliest highway in America at 130mph for an hour strait LOL yea I did that! Its NOT so lonely and I got lucky! Slowed down just in time to see a local sherrif paint me with his radar - somebody was watching out for me on that trip! 55mph is said on my dash, just as the first blip of the radar detector went off.  

In case your all wondering its the one on the vfrd standard banner up top there, just left of the big VFRD logo, taken the very same day on the Lonely highway across Nevada hwy 50!

Maybe if I had pay $15.000-16.000 US$  plus tax like a lot of people did in 2010-11 I would have some regrets, but since I got mine last March for 10.5 k. US$ I don't think you can get such a quality bike for that $$$ anywhere else.   

 The power of the thing is absolutely intoxicating, its heafty in the very tight stuff and I often get passed by the more nimble 5th/6th gens in the very tight stuff of North Carolina I dont mind I am still in the hunt, but boy its a lot of fun on the sweepers. I am riding this thing just as fast if not faster -

Sweepers are what it lives for. Lolo pass last summer was one of the best rides of my life. Leaned way over, 100+mph with V4 music echoing off the mountains. Couldn't have been more perfect.

Nothing quite like Hwy 12 / Lolo pass!  I own land in Orofino...

I spent the last 2 weeks riding my WR to Cabo, so I'm a bit late to this party.  Regular perusers of the forum will know that I've spent some time flaming my DCT.  This won't be much different.

First, I wouldn't necessarily say I regret buying it, but it's not a bike I love.  If you want something that mixes sportiness, comfort, technology, and power, there really aren't any other options IMO.  Is it perfect?  Not even close.  But if you need that combo, it's the best that was available at the time, and I would argue it still is.  The small fuel tank hasn't really bothered me.  Nor has the 1st-2nd gear castration.  The weight definitely has.  It's a porker, and when I ride lighter bikes I'm amazed at how much more fun I have.  The DCT is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't option, and I still contend it's a waste of money.  

I'm not in the target demo for this bike, and maybe that's the issue.  It's plenty fast, but I think it looks goofy.  More so in pictures, but still not a beauty in person.  I too spent a ton of cash on accessories, thinking I was one farkle away from perfection.  That said, the Sargent was the best money I've ever spent.  For those complaining about the seat, consider getting it custom-foamed and covered by them.  It's amazing.  Supple and grippy.  The DAM is also good, but pricey.  I took a 6000 mile, fully-loaded tour in the summer and was not impressed with how the bike feels when packed.  Steering is somehow light and unresponsive at the same time.  And it eats tires (part of the weight problem).  I know I could probably fix most of that with suspension work, but I've stopped throwing money at the problem. 

My biggest issue is that it doesn't move me.  As motorcycles aren't a necessity, they need some other added value.  And I don't think the 1200 has any.  I never feel extra excitement when I hit the starter button.  I never look at it adoringly when I walk into the garage.  I never look out a restaurant window and think "I can't believe that's mine!"  It's a well-engineered tool, albeit one without a specific purpose.  Trucks aside, I've never liked vehicles without personality.  That's highly subjective and ultimately undefineable, but for me, the 12 just doesn't have any.  I never find myself smiling inside my helmet, marvelling at the character and excitement of the bike.  It simply doesn't push my buttons (DCT pun not intended).  It's useful, but I don't love it.  Only my opinion.

I spent the last 2 weeks riding my WR to Cabo, so I'm a bit late to this party.  Regular perusers of the forum will know that I've spent some time flaming my DCT.  This won't be much different.

First, I wouldn't necessarily say I regret buying it, but it's not a bike I love.  If you want something that mixes sportiness, comfort, technology, and power, there really aren't any other options IMO.  Is it perfect?  Not even close.  But if you need that combo, it's the best that was available at the time, and I would argue it still is.  The small fuel tank hasn't really bothered me.  Nor has the 1st-2nd gear castration.  The weight definitely has.  It's a porker, and when I ride lighter bikes I'm amazed at how much more fun I have.  The DCT is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't option, and I still contend it's a waste of money.  

I'm not in the target demo for this bike, and maybe that's the issue.  It's plenty fast, but I think it looks goofy.  More so in pictures, but still not a beauty in person.  I too spent a ton of cash on accessories, thinking I was one farkle away from perfection.  That said, the Sargent was the best money I've ever spent.  For those complaining about the seat, consider getting it custom-foamed and covered by them.  It's amazing.  Supple and grippy.  The DAM is also good, but pricey.  I took a 6000 mile, fully-loaded tour in the summer and was not impressed with how the bike feels when packed.  Steering is somehow light and unresponsive at the same time.  And it eats tires (part of the weight problem).  I know I could probably fix most of that with suspension work, but I've stopped throwing money at the problem. 

My biggest issue is that it doesn't move me.  As motorcycles aren't a necessity, they need some other added value.  And I don't think the 1200 has any.  I never feel extra excitement when I hit the starter button.  I never look at it adoringly when I walk into the garage.  I never look out a restaurant window and think "I can't believe that's mine!"  It's a well-engineered tool, albeit one without a specific purpose.  Trucks aside, I've never liked vehicles without personality.  That's highly subjective and ultimately undefineable, but for me, the 12 just doesn't have any.  I never find myself smiling inside my helmet, marvelling at the character and excitement of the bike.  It simply doesn't push my buttons (DCT pun not intended).  It's useful, but I don't love it.  Only my opinion.

Your right it’s only an opinion and one you are certainly entitled to. Beyond the opinion your words just made me profoundly sad that the bike fails to move you in so many ways. I hope you eventually find the bike that turns your crank, being this down on your bike can't be good. Being off my bike because of winter weather is like an unrelenting pain that does not subside until spring. Maybe if I lived in California I would be more jaded as well? Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Funny, I was having the same exact feeling about my now departed 6th gen that I sold back in March. Since that time I still had my Honda 450x to ride and boy did I... But back in August, I was feeling that something was missing and had to get another bike... Looked at several different machines, including the Ducati MS and BMW K1600 and just realized what a great deal the Honda VFR 1200 is. So I flew down to Hunnington Beach and picked up mine. Although, I do like mine and it does move me, I really do Love my Plated 450x. So I can relate to what Brian says...

 
Your right it’s only an opinion and one you are certainly entitled to. Beyond the opinion your words just made me profoundly sad that the bike fails to move you in so many ways. I hope you eventually find the bike that turns your crank, being this down on your bike can't be good. Being off my bike because of winter weather is like an unrelenting pain that does not subside until spring. Maybe if I lived in California I would be more jaded as well? Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Don't get me wrong man, I have a great time on the bike. But I've had great fun on every bike I've ever ridden, from a Vespa to a Boss Hoss. I love riding, so riding itself makes me happy. I spent four years stationed overseas, so I can relate to the pain not riding brings. I would've stabbed someone to get a ride on a maxi-scooter. But bikes are in the business of soul stirring, and there are inevitable hits and misses. Some can be explained, others can't. I adored my old GL1200, but never found much fun in my Hog. Conversely, I can't get enough of the WR, but never really loved the DRZ. I've ridden bikes that I thought I'd love (R6, this means you), only to spend more time with them and become completely disenchanted.  I loved my 6th gen (when it worked), but don't get much out of the 7th.  Why?  I don't know.  It's like trying to pinpoint why someone likes certain contemporary art, Asian women, or foie gras.  Who knows...you just do.

I guess bike ownership is like dating: you have to have some ups and downs or it becomes boring. Sometimes you make the safe play, others you roll the dice for a little excitement or danger. It's part of the reason I don't test ride bikes before I buy them. It interjects a little risk, but always with the guarantee that it'll be different than the last, but riding one way or the other. And it keeps the cycle moving: if I don't like this bike, then I guess I'll have to get a different one a little sooner than I'd planned.  Or maybe I'm just a masochist. Sorry, this was kind of  :offtopic:

Your further explanation actually helped my frame of mind. Sounds like you have more than enough experience to know what you like and don't.  I feared I was heading down an unrelenting pit of despair after reading your posting. I may now have to attribute it to endless days of overcast weather as well. They actually sell specific lights up here that people use to ease the depression from the lack of sunlight. Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) they call it. I have a variant called Motorcycle Is Stored Affective Disorder (MISAD).

I spent the last 2 weeks riding my WR to Cabo, so I'm a bit late to this party.  Regular perusers of the forum will know that I've spent some time flaming my DCT.  This won't be much different.

First, I wouldn't necessarily say I regret buying it, but it's not a bike I love.  If you want something that mixes sportiness, comfort, technology, and power, there really aren't any other options IMO.  Is it perfect?  Not even close.  But if you need that combo, it's the best that was available at the time, and I would argue it still is.  The small fuel tank hasn't really bothered me.  Nor has the 1st-2nd gear castration.  The weight definitely has.  It's a porker, and when I ride lighter bikes I'm amazed at how much more fun I have.  The DCT is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't option, and I still contend it's a waste of money.  

I'm not in the target demo for this bike, and maybe that's the issue.  It's plenty fast, but I think it looks goofy.  More so in pictures, but still not a beauty in person.  I too spent a ton of cash on accessories, thinking I was one farkle away from perfection.  That said, the Sargent was the best money I've ever spent.  For those complaining about the seat, consider getting it custom-foamed and covered by them.  It's amazing.  Supple and grippy.  The DAM is also good, but pricey.  I took a 6000 mile, fully-loaded tour in the summer and was not impressed with how the bike feels when packed.  Steering is somehow light and unresponsive at the same time.  And it eats tires (part of the weight problem).  I know I could probably fix most of that with suspension work, but I've stopped throwing money at the problem. 

My biggest issue is that it doesn't move me.  As motorcycles aren't a necessity, they need some other added value.  And I don't think the 1200 has any.  I never feel extra excitement when I hit the starter button.  I never look at it adoringly when I walk into the garage.  I never look out a restaurant window and think "I can't believe that's mine!"  It's a well-engineered tool, albeit one without a specific purpose.  Trucks aside, I've never liked vehicles without personality.  That's highly subjective and ultimately undefineable, but for me, the 12 just doesn't have any.  I never find myself smiling inside my helmet, marvelling at the character and excitement of the bike.  It simply doesn't push my buttons (DCT pun not intended).  It's useful, but I don't love it.  Only my opinion.

BrianF,

I'm sorry to hear the bike really doesn't check all your boxes.  But, you know what's best for you.  However, it was at your (excellent) recommendation that I purchased the DAM exhaust and I love it as well as my DCT.  I hope you find the bike that stirs your soul.  You have provided great insight and info on this forum and we'll be saddened to see you go (whenever you decide on the new bike).

Thanks again,

  
BrianF,
I'm sorry to hear the bike really doesn't check all your boxes.  But, you know what's best for you.  However, it was at your (excellent) recommendation that I purchased the DAM exhaust and I love it as well as my DCT.  I hope you find the bike that stirs your soul.  You have provided great insight and info on this forum and we'll be saddened to see you go (whenever you decide on the new bike).
Thanks again,
 

Glad you like the DAM, I think I've said enough about how much I like mine. Don't worry, the sale of my 1200 isn't imminent, in fact, it's the opposite. It is still my weapon of choice for long distance sport riding, and will probably remain such for many years. Mostly because I can only sell it for a fraction of what I paid. However, I hope I don't convey that I hate the bike; I don't.  I just don't love it.  I've put 16,000 miles on it in 11 months.  I think that's all you need to know.  Of course, I'm shopping for another 6th gen and a Supersport and a real dirtbike and...nevermind.  Maybe that's all you need to know.

I spent a ton of time and money on my 6th Gen to turn it into an exciting bike.  I love it now, but in retrospect I probably should have just bought a Multistrada or a ST4s.

So many motorcycles, so little time . . .

So few money .....

I done bought 9 bikes since I got back to riding 2 yrs ago.  I love the thrill of the hunt, and that next bike always looks like the dream machine that will be the perfect addition to my stable before I bought it.  Then after I get to ride it extensively, I find out a few things about it in addition to what I already knew.  Sometimes it's a good find, often though it's some little quirks.  It could also just be a general character thing that is hard to quantify.  Whatever the reason, if it isn't meant to be, it is what it is.  No sense crying over spilled milk.  I either do something about (fix, farkle, mod, etc.)  Or just sell it and move on to the next dream machine.

I think the key is NOT to shell out beaucoup bucks for a bike.  Wnen I get a good deal buying, I can usually sell it at a good deal and not lose much.

That's a lot of bikes in 2 years!  I am jealous. 

Have you met scooter, he trades about every 3 months>G      I guess better than trading up girlfriends that quick

I done bought 9 bikes since I got back to riding 2 yrs ago.  I love the thrill of the hunt, and that next bike always looks like the dream machine that will be the perfect addition to my stable before I bought it.  Then after I get to ride it extensively, I find out a few things about it in addition to what I already knew.  Sometimes it's a good find, often though it's some little quirks.  It could also just be a general character thing that is hard to quantify.  Whatever the reason, if it isn't meant to be, it is what it is.  No sense crying over spilled milk.  I either do something about (fix, farkle, mod, etc.)  Or just sell it and move on to the next dream machine.

I think the key is NOT to shell out beaucoup bucks for a bike.  Wnen I get a good deal buying, I can usually sell it at a good deal and not lose much.

I done bought 9 bikes since I got back to riding 2 yrs ago.  I love the thrill of the hunt, and that next bike always looks like the dream machine that will be the perfect addition to my stable before I bought it.  Then after I get to ride it extensively, I find out a few things about it in addition to what I already knew.  Sometimes it's a good find, often though it's some little quirks.  It could also just be a general character thing that is hard to quantify.  Whatever the reason, if it isn't meant to be, it is what it is.  No sense crying over spilled milk.  I either do something about (fix, farkle, mod, etc.)  Or just sell it and move on to the next dream machine.

I think the key is NOT to shell out beaucoup bucks for a bike.  Wnen I get a good deal buying, I can usually sell it at a good deal and not lose much.

:+1:  

Big time.  Well said.

I love my 1200.  She's in my garage with 20K miles on her and looks like she just rolled off the showroom floor.

I done bought 9 bikes since I got back to riding 2 yrs ago.  I love the thrill of the hunt, and that next bike always looks like the dream machine that will be the perfect addition to my stable before I bought it.  Then after I get to ride it extensively, I find out a few things about it in addition to what I already knew.  Sometimes it's a good find, often though it's some little quirks.  It could also just be a general character thing that is hard to quantify.  Whatever the reason, if it isn't meant to be, it is what it is.  No sense crying over spilled milk.  I either do something about (fix, farkle, mod, etc.)  Or just sell it and move on to the next dream machine.

I think the key is NOT to shell out beaucoup bucks for a bike.  Wnen I get a good deal buying, I can usually sell it at a good deal and not lose much.

Just want to agree.  In fact, I like to buy used bikes with rashed plastics.  Great bargains.  If you want to keep the bike a long time, then maybe you get the plastics filled, sanded and painted.  Probably not, though.  Who cares?

I done bought 9 bikes since I got back to riding 2 yrs ago.  I love the thrill of the hunt, and that next bike always looks like the dream machine that will be the perfect addition to my stable before I bought it.  Then after I get to ride it extensively, I find out a few things about it in addition to what I already knew.  Sometimes it's a good find, often though it's some little quirks.  It could also just be a general character thing that is hard to quantify.  Whatever the reason, if it isn't meant to be, it is what it is.  No sense crying over spilled milk.  I either do something about (fix, farkle, mod, etc.)  Or just sell it and move on to the next dream machine.

I think the key is NOT to shell out beaucoup bucks for a bike.  Wnen I get a good deal buying, I can usually sell it at a good deal and not lose much.

That's a lot of bikes in 2 years!  I am jealous. 

Well, I do happen to love mine, no regrets at all.  I've met the OP several times, and I certainly understand his frustration.  For the record, he's a "big dude", probably 6'3", 240 lbs (guesstimate) and a faster-than-most type of rider who also runs with a very sporty crowd.

I think his size is as much a contributor to his discomfort as the bike itself, and the crowd he rides with as much a contributor to his dislike for the size/weight issues.  It's hard to be content with a big heavy bike when you always ride with guys tearing it up on R1s and Gixxers, etc..

...but then there's always the X factor.  Everybody is a little different, 2 guys the same height/weight could have one with a long torso and short inseam who just plain doesn't fit on the same bike.  One of those guys might have a bony ass that is never comfortable on some seats.

Thank God they make a crap-ton of great bikes; there's bound to be one that fits you!

So no, I don't have any buyers remorse, and I'm not justifying a damn thing!  I sold my KTM 950 Adventure a few months after bringing the V12 home because I never rode it anymore.  And every time I walk in the garage I *do* get that "holy crap, that's mine!" feeling.

I just posted a video of some local roads from Saturday, shot from my VFR ...all seriously tight & twisty, and IMHO the bike handles them all just fine; but you do have to take the weight into consideration.  You have to plan your corner entry a little earlier than on a lighter sportbike, and you have to be cognizant of the weight loading onto the front tire in some off-camber turns, etc..  

But damn it is the perfect bike for me!

Right after I paid for my Concours 14A and drove it out of the showroom... I regretted it.

So I can understand your feelings.
Fortunately, I personally feel the VFR1200 is not an attractive bike, so I will never have the urge to buy one.
But I am sure there are many with the same attitude as you.
These guys on the forum can try to justify their purchases all they want, but there are always used VFR1200 for sale.
If they are such a great bike why are people selling them with such low miles?
There must be something which they did not like...

I understand what you are talking about. There's a reason that tonight I can find 2 2010 examples with under 1000 miles within 2 hrs of my house. When my Gixxer 750 was stolen I started looking at bikes. The 6th gen completely drew me in with it's looks immediately. Once I rode it, I was sold and bought the first one I test rode. Absolutely NOTHING about the 1200 speaks to me other than the hp numbers. It can't even be mistaken for a sportbike. I can't get over the snub nose (goldwing) front end, more weight, and most importantly to me, loss of underseat exhaust that covers up the single sided swingarm. As much as I LOVE my 800, if I can't find a good '09 example to buy when the time is right, my next bike won't start with VFR. I actually dread the day when I go bike shopping, honestly, because I'm just afraid I won't find anything I love as much as the 6th gen.

Right after I paid for my Concours 14A and drove it out of the showroom... I regretted it.

So I can understand your feelings.
Fortunately, I personally feel the VFR1200 is not an attractive bike, so I will never have the urge to buy one.
But I am sure there are many with the same attitude as you.
These guys on the forum can try to justify their purchases all they want, but there are always used VFR1200 for sale.
If they are such a great bike why are people selling them with such low miles?
There must be something which they did not like...

I understand what you are talking about. There's a reason that tonight I can find 2 2010 examples with under 1000 miles within 2 hrs of my house. When my Gixxer 750 was stolen I started looking at bikes. The 6th gen completely drew me in with it's looks immediately. Once I rode it, I was sold and bought the first one I test rode. Absolutely NOTHING about the 1200 speaks to me other than the hp numbers. It can't even be mistaken for a sportbike. I can't get over the snub nose (goldwing) front end, more weight, and most importantly to me, loss of underseat exhaust that covers up the single sided swingarm. As much as I LOVE my 800, if I can't find a good '09 example to buy when the time is right, my next bike won't start with VFR. I actually dread the day when I go bike shopping, honestly, because I'm just afraid I won't find anything I love as much as the 6th gen.

When I bought my '09 C14, there were an abundance of them with low-miles practically brand new.  The '08-09 had a few quirks, so when Kawi came out with the '10 with most - if not all - of the issues addressed, the 08-09 kinda got dissed in the used market.  I picked up my C14 for a song and have been very happy with it.  IMO, most of early C14's "issues" were minor, but then I can't speak for all owners, some of whom apparently were bothered enough to ditch them.   Fundamentally, the C14 is a great ST and Kawi sold the bejesus out of them, even in the Great Recession.

Same thing goes for the VFR1200.  The '10 had some teething pains and that soured the bike for a lot of people.  Plus Honda botched the marketing of it.  It may be called VFR, but it wasn't designed to appeal to the VFR traditionalists.  If anything, it is more a Blackbird replacement.

We are all free to buy what we like, and sell what we no longer like.  No justification necessary.  OP asked if any of us regret buying our VFR, and we responded.  No need to get too Freudian about it. :cool:

I never owned an older VFR so I cannot compare to that. I wanted a sporty tourer that I can ride with two up and that is exactly what I got; a beautiful bike with lots a of power, stable on high speed and very agile on twisty roads. You cannot compare it to anything else than BMW1300S. I test drove the BMW and found it too stiff on low speeds (very good on high speeds, though).

If somebody finds a better bike for me please tell. Too difficult task for me :happy:  .

So no I don't regret buying.

I think his size is as much a contributor to his discomfort as the bike itself, and the crowd he rides with as much a contributor to his dislike for the size/weight issues.  It's hard to be content with a big heavy bike when you always ride with guys tearing it up on R1s and Gixxers, etc..

I am 60, 76 kg, 1.75 meters. I bought my VFR in May 2011 and it seems like yesterday. It is with 13k miles. My only regret is not having purchased more accessories in America. Someone has used "cruiser" for sale? LOL ... happy new year, guys!

Do I regret buying my VFR1200? HELL NO!!!

That's a cool looking pipe... :wink: What is it?

DAM

That's a cool looking pipe... :wink: What is it?

DAM all chrome I think?

Polished stainless (but same diff)

Do I regret buying my VFR1200? HELL NO!!!

nice pic. Btw, Are those jeans? Tracks here require full leathers.

Most Tracks here do to, I'm wearing Draggin Jeans they are lined with Kevlar. trick is don't fall off :D

hell no !!!!  i love this bike more every time i ride it !!!

I love my 1200 dct. Everything about it. Power,handling,braking and the looks. I'm getting close to 50 years old,and I still get the rush out of a hi-performance bike. Excellent machine in my opinion!

Holy ship!  How many times does this stoopid thread have to be revived???? 

I say again..........No! 

Heck No! 

No trucken way!!!!! 

I love my bike. 

It is cool.

That is all.

Ride safe.

Hell no, I almost went nuts because the mechanic I was using took so long putting my bike back together. Finally I told him to put it together and I will have the rest of the work done by someone else. After being on the bike instantly all of my stress went away. My heart starts beating fast just thinking about being on my bike. When I order a new part off the internet my bike, me waiting for the part to be shipped is like a kid waiting for christmas.

These guys on the forum can try to justify their purchases all they want, but there are always used VFR1200 for sale.
If they are such a great bike why are people selling them with such low miles?
There must be something which they did not like... 

Yeah i noticed this. VFR owners are fierce and keep their 750's and 800's for years until they get up to 100, 000 clicks. I was just checking the 1200's on bikesales and theres bags of 2010's with like 5 and 7 thousand k's. 

These guys on the forum can try to justify their purchases all they want, but there are always used VFR1200 for sale.
If they are such a great bike why are people selling them with such low miles?
There must be something which they did not like... 

Yeah i noticed this. VFR owners are fierce and keep their 750's and 800's for years until they get up to 100, 000 clicks. I was just checking the 1200's on bikesales and theres bags of 2010's with like 5 and 7 thousand k's. 

Most people don't like change.  VFR owners are um, aging (trying to be polite) and the 1200 is just too different for them compared to the 800.

For me, all the changes are what I wanted.  More HP and TQ, much more, and proper USD forks that can be revalved/resprung and not need to do a full front end conversion to get proper forks.  The 60 more HP should be the biggest change with the bike but it isn't.  The mass centralization is.  The 1200 just handles so damn well. 

This is obviously a thread by someone who simply doesn't own one or really wanted a short range crotch rocket.

My little 1200 does what I really wanted out of a Sport/Tourer  you can putt through town, go like hell or just set it up to tour and sit back and watch the miles fall away. What's not to like, every Bike I have ever owned I have had to tweak to make it mine this one will be no different.

I have done my thing with crotch rockets and Adventure Bikes so for me the Honda VFR 1200 fits the bill perfectly.

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These guys on the forum can try to justify their purchases all they want, but there are always used VFR1200 for sale.If they are such a great bike why are people selling them with such low miles?There must be something which they did not like... 

 
Yeah i noticed this. VFR owners are fierce and keep their 750's and 800's for years until they get up to 100, 000 clicks. I was just checking the 1200's on bikesales and theres bags of 2010's with like 5 and 7 thousand k's.

 
Most people don't like change.  VFR owners are um, aging (trying to be polite) and the 1200 is just too different for them compared to the 800.
 
For me, all the changes are what I wanted.  More HP and TQ, much more, and proper USD forks that can be revalved/resprung and not need to do a full front end conversion to get proper forks.  The 60 more HP should be the biggest change with the bike but it isn't.  The mass centralization is.  The 1200 just handles so damn well.

I'm new here to the VFR forum page, and wanted to put in my two cents.

I had the opportunity to buy a '12 DCT with about 2k miles, used but like new, and I can understand what some speak about, so many testors also talked about it, when it came out in '10.

Its heavy, has a shaft drive, so as a sport bike, its lacking lightweight-ness, and the ability to quickly change gearing.

I have adapted to its extra weight, and the gearing seems fine.

Viewed as a touring bike, ( its promoted as Sports - Touring ) it seems to fall short not having big handlebars up high, huge fairing, and stock need the accessory bags and box.

As the original posted mentioned it does seem to be a tight riding triangle.

My last 3 bikes were an '07 GSF1250, '08 VFR800, and a '12 CB1000R.

Do I have remorse buying the VFR1200? No. This is the nicest, fastest, highest quality bike I have ever owned.

I can see some who really want something else, this STYLE of bike, wont be for them.

Having said that, it has taken a long time for me to become accustomed to how the DCT functions.

next year I will have been riding bikes 50 years.

Working as a Honda Suzuki BMW Sea-Doo line tech for over 30 years, ( I wont mention Triumph, BSA, Montessa, Bultaco, or Hodaka to keep the back of the class from laughing ) I Have ridden a few bikes over time.

I was difficult to read when magazine testers ridiculed the VFR1200 as not being a Moto-GP bike, when it was presented I looked at it more like my old 1200 Sabre. 1200cc, V-Four, Six speeds, shaft drive.

In that context, it is a welcome ride. The fuel tank shape reminds me of my old CX-500Tc, which I still own, as does the rumbling torq of the engine.

I will admit, be careful for what you ask for, in motorcycles, its difficult to have just one bike that does everything, all the time.

I don't tour to far away places, don't have the bags and box for it. (it is available, and the cost of the bags alone keep me from getting them )

I cant say this has helped with answering the original question, but I don't have buyers remorse. I do like the VFR1200 DCT.

I am thinking about starting a new thread, about how those that bought the DCT actually use the drive modes.

Suzukijo,   now I remember you (from the Suzuki forums). I too had the 07 Bandit 1250.  It was a great bike.  No complaints whatsoever.  However, I got the new bike itch and traded it for the 2010 DCT.  I love it as well; even more so. The DCT is an excellent bike for me and it ticks all my boxes.  I can't think of another bike I'd like to have right now and plan to keep it a long time.  I currently have 16K mile on it and I'm wrestling with the high quoted cost for the 16K interval maintenance service (6 hours labor X $130.00 per hour plus parts, if needed).  Also, very few people are familiar with the bike here in North Florida, including the Honda trained  techs.  Other than that, I love this DCT.  I have the Heli bars, lowered foot pegs, OEM side panniers, center stand, wind deflector, Sargent seat and DAM exhaust (thanks to BrianF recommendation).

I see, its a small world. I only have 7k on my DCT now. The GSF was a good bike, I was sad when I totaled it, by hitting the deer.

It was tuff living with the little VFR800, after having the GSF, it was more like a big bore 600cc.

ouch, for the 16k maintenance.

anbark22 what was your twt name? do I remember you?

anbark22 was my twt name.  You may remember me, as I had quite a few posts on twt.  That was a great forum with a wealth of information pertaining to the Bandits.

How could I regret? 2012 first ride and now 47 k driven (that makes 15 months..long winter here:) ). Not a slitest problem with my bike and every summer 6-8 k tours around the Alps, Dolomites, Pyrenes, Germany, France etc.....me like...

No regrets here with my 2013 1200F. I will say i am a lot more satisfied with the big VFR as I have modified it to suit my needs. The more miles I put on this bike the better I like it.

Last year when I bought my 2012, I went in thinking owning two VFRs already, it would have the same (or similar) VFR qualities. I was wrong.

I'm not saying the 7th gen is a bad motorcycle- I get what Honda was trying to do. Honda has typically showcased newer technologies in the VFR sport-touring package. This time around it was a sublime, larger V4 mill, superb braking, and suspension. Yes, it is porky on the scale. I went into my purchase blindly without having test-ridden the 7th gen, purchasing solely based on prior experiences owning VFRs (and rider reviews).

I bought the bike several states away (steep discount off MSRP), and when it was finally delivered and ready to take out on first ride, I wanted to check out the VFR-like qualities. Ergos were all the same, but the motor...whoa! This was the largest displacement motorcycle I've ever owned, and I am by no means an accomplished rider, but the "dial-of-smiles" twist of throttle was so exhilarating.

On my first long ride (200+ mi) I was worried: it was fatiguing for my 155 lbs to manipulate a 550+ lb motorcycle over 200 miles. No, it's not terribly overbearing; it is well-balanced. On longer trips, I just found myself more worn out when compared to my 6th gen. It's been over a year with the 1200, and I have to say, for a moment of "this might be too much bike for me", wound up being that the VFR 1200 is the affordable BMW K-series that I always wanted to 'graduate' to. I've become accustomed to the extra weight, the 190 rear is way more tire width than I'll need in my turns, but with a 150+ hp motor, it is necessary to put that power to the road.

I've never had an issue w/ fuel tank range/mileage. Ridden sensibly, the 2012 will get you 180+ miles to the tank. Can't say the same about the 2010 (slightly smaller tank). The biggest complaint that I have with the 7th gen is the fact they changed the placement of turn signal/horn buttons compared to models prior. So many times I have hit the horn button instead of cancelling the turn signals! 

Seeing the 8th gen now on the sales floor, the 7th gen must've been a curveball for the sport(sport)-touring market. I could only imagine Honda execs saying "the VFR 1200 is selling like garbage". Seeing the 8th gen come about with a step backward to the VTEC mill and back-stepping things like throttle-by-wire and linked braking makes me think that the 8th gen was a salvage campaign to resurrect sales. Not dissing the 8th gen- it's a refinement, but it just did not bring a lot of ground-breaking technology from the Honda warchest.

Nonetheless, VFRs are trusty bikes, and I will say that each generation has something special to bring to the table. For me, the 1200 has a superb powertrain and brakes at the expense of weight, though well-balanced. So, what I originally thought as buyer's remorse, has turned towards a fondness to appreciate what technology/quality the VFR 1200 brings to the table. Too bad they could not keep it on the sales floor. 

Get your suspension sorted out for your riding and weight.  It'll go from porker to wow this is a &)(()*)**() bad-ass motorcycle!

i wish that the turn signal switches on my other bikes were where the VFR12's is

I find the DCT version a great Motorcycle, it allows you to really do what ever you want to do and do it well. While I hear concerns people supposedly have with the weight of the Bike. I have always liked heavier bikes for touring they simply feel better on the highway when you are passing or being passed by a transport or hitting a serious crosswind. The problem with the VFR is that it should be sold as what it is one of the best 1 person sport tourers built. When I want to scare myself I run the 600, that I split on with my brother on weekends at the track. I like being able to just slide the DCT into "D" in the City or on rainy days and putt, I find the sport or manual lets you get as foolish as you need to on the highway.

I really don't understand what others are trying to compare this Honda to, my brother has a great Bike with the Kawasaki 1400 but it doesn't do anything better than my VFR 1200 except for (laying patches and wheelies) all things I'm too old for anymore.(but I tell him older smarter, wisdom thingy) 

I realise that Honda should of sold it loaded, they milk you, when you have to buy the extra's, so does everyone else. For those that this Bike doesn't meet your needs, by all means buy the Suzy or Kawi or what ever turns your crank, but it really isn't, in the VFR's league, sorry but true.

The 1200 especially the DCT is as far as I am concerned one of biking best kept secrets, it does everything very well, not perfect, but which bike does, as for those that say this bike doesn't make them smile , doesn't make them happy, then go buy that smile maker, it must be a gooden, because I have ridden most bikes and I just don't know which one will make you smile if this one won't.

For me this is a Great Bike, it's comfortable (true not without modifications) it's fast, more than enough wompum for quick passes and cruising. Range is realistic 160 to 180 miles, let's face it those of you that are getting lower mileage, everyone knows you aren't touring, you are perhaps pushing it a wee bit? Anyone who can't handle the weight really, that's your problem, you have to be joking or go back to the 250's or 600's you will be happy and for 90 percent of roadwork especially around town and short hauls that's all you really need.

Anyway I'm done, defending or being perceived to be defending, a Bike that needs no defence, the 2012 1200 DCT Honda VFR is without question one of the best bikes ever built. "Thank GOD" others disagree, or I simply wouldn't be able to afford it, and now I am going for a run to the East Coast and yes I might even smile.

Get your suspension sorted out for your riding and weight.  It'll go from porker to wow this is a &)(()*)**() bad-ass motorcycle!

 x1000.one cant expect the same machine to be setup for 150 or 250lbs rider.  As on any motorcycle, suspension should be  at #1, followed by performance.

I regret selling my 5th gen a month ago anyway,seen a vfr1200 yesterday and have to say it looks very impressive in the flesh,getting that vfr sickness again,nothing else compares.

Dave really, I am a bad guy to come after regarding Kawasaki I Love Kawasaki and drove them when they were nothing more than a death trap on wheels 500, 750, triples, I have driven over the years basically every make and model including the ZX1400 great bike watch your wrist and invest in a tire company. The Kawi 1000sx is a good Bike and I think we all know it falls somewhere between the VFR 800 and the 1200, that being said as per early post if it turns your crank jump on board but dont try and tell anyone its a better bike simply because it isn't.

There still is no replacement for displacement and it last time I checked doesnt come as a DCT.

We know why we all aren't driving DCTs is pure Biker Balls and EGO and hey we wouldn't be bikers without them, heck it seems to be a national sport over here, to smear bikers, off your grill,  but for us graying individuals shrink the balls just a wee bit, get the DCT and enjoy riding until the good lord stops you.

Take Care

the VFR1200 got very good reviews in it's first tests and wasn't it Rider Mag's BotY ???