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Big H Issued A Recall On Vfr1200F And Vfr1200X Re:drive-Shafts

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#1

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Seen there has been a recall on selected frame number VFR1200 units from Feb 2010 to Feb 2015 regarding drive shaft yoke problems which could be serious for the users if there is a failure. Although H do not state exactly that.

Which Google translated states:-
"In the yoke joint portion of the propeller shaft , since the shape of the housing that holds the caulking pressure and bearing of bearing dropout prevention is inappropriate , bearing internal There are those that worn by the heat and high load due to friction at the time of traveling . Therefore , continuing the running intact , York joint damage , in the worst case , you can become impossible traveling , propeller shaft is to interfere with the swing arm , the rear wheel there is a risk of lock ."

See http://www.honda.co.jp/recall/151203_3709.html

Bikes affected to date:- (Bing translation)
Recall of the VFR1200F, VFR1200X (notification 12/3/2015)
Recall notification number 3709
Recall start date 12/4/2015
Defect parts (part number) power transmission equipment (propeller shaft)
Standards non-compliance status to the structural finds,
Equipment or performance condition and its causes
Yoke joint propeller shaft there are because the shape of the housing, to maintain pressure and bearing and fasten the bearing through the prevention of inappropriate heat caused by friction during driving and high load bearing internal wear. As a result, you may yoke joint is damaged and keep the vehicle in its entirety, or undrivable and worst case, propeller shaft and interfere with the swing arm, rear wheel to lock.
Replace the products your propeller shaft of the improvement measures. However, York Joint malfunction is confirmed and takes time to supply products that, as an interim measure for the time being, the propeller shaft check out what the new replace the propeller shaft.

Honda
EBL-SC63 VFR1200F
SC63-1000020-SC63-1001061
3/2/2010-12/9/2010 1042
SC63-1100001-SC63-1100326
1/20/2011-1/17/2012 326
SC63-1200011-SC63-1200177
2/20/2012-10/31/2012 167
SC63-1300001-SC63-1300206
11/6/2012-7/13/2015 206

EBL-SC70 VFR1200X
SC70-1000005-SC70-1000115
2/20/2014-9/2/2015 111

(Total 2) (Two models)
(Scope of the entire production life cycle)
3/2/2010-9/2/2015 (1852 bikes)

#2

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

#3
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

Well now H have agreed there's a problem I'b asking for some compensation

#4

Recall start date ?? 12 April 2015 (Europe) or Dec 4 2015 (USA)??

#5
Bartho

Recall start date ?? 12 April 2015 (Europe) or Dec 4 2015 (USA)??

I think they're using the wrong US date convention. :491:

#6
Chanmenie
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

Well now H have agreed there's a problem I'b asking for some compensation

and a consultancy fee because you were effectively employed by HONDA to be a

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:goofy:

#7

Ok thanks. It is very new, So we have to wait and see what Honda will do. I have 72000 Km so I am a little worried. Frame number JH2SC63B8CK200172.

#8

The recall states VIN numbers with seven consecutive digits... Bartho's VIN doesn't have seven consecutive numbers... only six: JH2SC63B8CK200172... and a buddy's VFR1200F over here in Spain also only has six consecutive numbers... like Bartho's it has letters mixed in.

#9
Auspanglish

The recall states VIN numbers with seven consecutive digits... Bartho's VIN doesn't have seven consecutive numbers... only six: JH2SC63B8CK200172... and a buddy's VFR1200F over here in Spain also only has six consecutive numbers... like Bartho's it has letters mixed in.

The numbers quoted in the OP are engine numbers. Not VIN / Frame numbers. HTH.

#10

Wow what's it like to own a very low volume bike ? Honda just inadvertently told us how poor sales have been.

"(Total 2) (Two models)

(Scope of the entire production life cycle)

3/2/2010-9/2/2015 (1852 bikes)"

That's 1852 bikes sold in 5 years ! Or approx 370 per year, I assume that's world wide ! That's the kind of numbers sold in the UK at the moment for most major bikes in the 600-1000cc size range ! That's very poor numbers. Must be why the RCV213S costs so much to recoup losses ! :(

#11

Inquired of my dealer. He advises that he was just notified that the recall will come out in a bulletin and parts available in January. This is apparently from Honda Canada.

#12

So, does the last sentence say, get it checked even if the are no parts available to fix it?

#13

Not sure where to find my engine number, but I went to the Honda powersports recall check and it shows 0 recalls pending when I search by model and when I search by my VIN...

http://powersports.honda.com/recalls.aspx

Here's a link to check for yourself.

- Dan

#14
Dutchy
Chanmenie
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

Well now H have agreed there's a problem I'b asking for some compensation

and a consultancy fee because you were effectively employed by HONDA to be a

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:goofy:

That's Cute. I'm too lazy to ask for compensation from Honda Korea. VFR 1200 hasn't been part of Honda lineup since 2012 here in Korea, not selling at all here. It seems Honda (at least in Asia) is focusing on fuel efficient machine such as NC700 and a host of scooters. ST1300 is essentially the same machine since 2002 and Goldwing just getting small upgrades. I guess my next bike will be FJR1300, just look at how other Japanese companies are building motorcycle that catches enthusiast eyes & minds.

My VFR doesn't owe me anything I have 185,000 KM and if the shaft fails again I might ask for compensation.

#15

OP states "frame number" not "engine number"

#16

Called my dealer, I'm in that recall. Crap.

Any idea on how critical this is? My bike was hit hard when I was parked outside a base, repaired when I was on Active Duty, and now I'm being told to not ride it because I could lock up and get hurt. My wife has the car and all I have is my bike lol. I'm in a bad situation if this is a big issue.

Edited December 5, 2015 by Artfulkatana
#17

What does the recall say? You being in the US I reckon there must be a statement on that for liability reasons.

If Honda says Donot Ride then ask for a loan bike...

#18
Auspanglish

OP states "frame number" not "engine number"

It does. Then it goes on to list engine numbers!

Edited December 5, 2015 by RoystonRocket2
#19

So, I can only assume owners with bikes falling into the recall will get a letter from Honda.

#20

I stopped in today at my local dealer and as soon as the shop manager seen me he said we got a recall on your bike just got it yesterday. He said I should get a letter in the mail. He also said as far as he knew right now the recall was on all year models.

#22
PREY

I stopped in today at my local dealer and as soon as the shop manager seen me he said we got a recall on your bike just got it yesterday. He said I should get a letter in the mail. He also said as far as he knew right now the recall was on all year models.

Did he mention when they would have the parts needed for the repair? My VFR is not going anywhere near a shop until they have the parts on hand.
#23

A few heads should roll at Honda because of this problem with the drives haft on what was one of Honda ' s flagship bikes.......

You'd think they would have gotten it right after producing so many shaft driven bikes for so many decades already. A very painful recall as Honda also had to convince VFR fans that shaft drive was the way to go with the 7th gen.....

A few heads should roll at Honda because of this problem with the driveshaft on what was one of Honda ' s flagship bikes.......

You'd think they would have gotten it right after producing so many shaft driven bikes for so many decades already. A very painful recall as Honda also had to convince VFR fans that shaft drive was the way to go with the 7th gen.....

#24
Beck

A few heads should roll at Honda because of this problem with the drives haft on what was one of Honda ' s flagship bikes.......

You'd think they would have gotten it right after producing so many shaft driven bikes for so many decades already. A very painful recall as Honda also had to convince VFR fans that shaft drive was the way to go with the 7th gen.....A few heads should roll at Honda because of this problem with the driveshaft on what was one of Honda ' s flagship bikes.......

You'd think they would have gotten it right after producing so many shaft driven bikes for so many decades already. A very painful recall as Honda also had to convince VFR fans that shaft drive was the way to go with the 7th gen.....

It's not really a big deal presumably. Drop your bike off, they fix it and, you take it home. Good for them for taking action.

The thought of a VFR1200 stop sell order in the US is pretty comical.

#25
swimmer
PREY

I stopped in today at my local dealer and as soon as the shop manager seen me he said we got a recall on your bike just got it yesterday. He said I should get a letter in the mail. He also said as far as he knew right now the recall was on all year models.

Did he mention when they would have the parts needed for the repair? My VFR is not going anywhere near a shop until they have the parts on hand.

Should have parts sometime in January is what I was told.

#26

i really don't think any Honda engineers are going to be committing Hara Kiri....

#27

Honda website shows no recalls for 2012 VFR1200F US models.....searched by model and VIN

#28

Hmmmm.....from another forum, ALL 2010-2013 VFR1200 F & FD (DCT) models are included in the recall. Whether that relates to UK only, UK/Euro only or worldwide I don't know.

I'd suggest folk use the linked recall check or call their nearest main dealer.

Better to be sure.

#29

Saw my Honda dealer here in Toronto on the weekend and he confirms Canadian recall notice and to expect a letter. Says they will fix before we get back on the bikes in the spring. Bikes have been flawless in four years of across North America riding. Just rolling with it as I have had many recalls on many vehicles over the course of my motoring life. This will not be the last and too shall pass.

#30

recall check at American Honda website says no recall....searched my 2010 and 2012 VIN

#31

Just checked the American Honda website. No 2012 recall noted.

#32

Not seeing my 2010 listed as having a recall either... I wonder if the 'fix' addresses the real problem, or if it's just a band-aid for users to limp along until their next motorcycle purchase.

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#33
crakerjac

Not seeing my 2010 listed as having a recall either... I wonder if the 'fix' addresses the real problem, or if it's just a band-aid for users to limp along until their next motorcycle purchase.

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Limp along? Not a whole lot of drive shaft failures happening so I suspect this may have gone completely unnoticed had Honda not issued the recall. I didn't feel like I was limping along on my way to work this morning.

#34

If it's a big enough issue for Honda to do a recall, they must know something we either don't know, or haven't seen (yet). As with all recalls, I ask myself, is the manufacturer addressing the root cause or are they simply replacing the part(s) that are wearing out.

I agree with you swimmer. I don't think it's been a real 'problem' on my 2010. There is a little more slop in the drive train than I would like, but otherwise it fits 80% of my needs (dedicated track bike and wife's cruiser fill that last 20%).

#35

Not concerned. Will get the work done before Spring.

#36
swimmer
crakerjac

...

... Not a whole lot of drive shaft failures happening so I suspect this may have gone completely unnoticed had Honda not issued the recall. ...

There have been reports of drive shaft failures on the 7th gens and the hard time riders were having with Honda replacing under warranty... especially on the European sites.

#37

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/81257-rear-linkage-final-drive-bearings/

#38

No details yet from Honda Canada, but does show up as a recall pending for a 2010 1200F:

http://motorcycle.honda.ca/safety/recalls

We’ve found the following outstanding recalls and/or product updates for your Honda. Please open each PDF for complete details and to learn what actions should be taken.

Contact your Honda Dealer to arrange a no-charge appointment to have the product update or recall addressed.

If you need assistance, please contact Honda Canada’s Customer Relations Department at the contact information below:

Honda Canada Inc.
180 Honda Blvd
Markham ON L6C 0H9
Tel: 1-888-9HONDA9
Fax (Toll Free): 1-877-939-0909
Email: honda_cr@ch.honda.com

Recall Notifications (1)


[image: logo_no_pdf.png]An outstanding recall or product update campaign has been identified for your vehicle. However, the description document for this campaign is not yet available. It will be posted shortly. For immediate assistance, please contact your Honda dealer or Honda Canada Customer Relations at 888-9HONDA9 for more information.

#39

I dont have a problem with any manufacturer having a recall. To me the company,weather its automotive, bikes or coffee makers,is admitting to a defect. To many times manufacturers hide a defect,and some have serious outcomes. It's unfortunate that some owners were made to pay for this out of their own pocket. Since there is a recall on this defect,those people should be refunded in full,for what the repair cost them.

It's sometimes hard for a manufacturer to know if a problem is an isolated problem,or a mass production defect. Hopefully this is a one time fix,and doesn't need repair,every xxx amount of miles. I'll be contacting my dealer this week to get the Canadian update on this.

#40

Recall in Brazil ( SC 63 and SC 70 produced between 2010 and 2013). 489 Units.

Recall start Januari 4th 2016.

It's seems a second recall will be done half March 2016 (Portugees?) A new driveshaft is in development by Honda to avoid these problems in the future.

Quote (translated from Portugese):

"According to Honda, this is a precautionary call, which aims to "protect consumers from any possible manifestation of symptoms." The brand says that a new component is in overseas development, and in mid-March, a new call will be made to install the new drive shaft assembly, endowed with definite improvements, completely eliminating the possibility of occurrence of the mentioned symptoms."

http://g1.globo.com/carros/motos/noticia/2015/12/honda-faz-recall-das-motos-vfr-1200f-e-vfr-1200x-crosstourer.html

#41

Spoke with the dealer I purchased my 2013 (new) from and they say there are no recalls on my model. They also said they're unaware of any recall.

#42
RoystonRocket2

Spoke with the dealer I purchased my 2013 (new) from and they say there are no recalls on my model. They also said they're unaware of any recall.

We have a recall on all SC 63 and SC70 models produced between 2010 and 2013. No doubt anymore (even in the UK)...

It says a lot about your dealer how he deals with your concern. Nada! Of Course, this is my opinion!

Edited December 8, 2015 by vfrflanders
#43
vfrflanders
RoystonRocket2

Spoke with the dealer I purchased my 2013 (new) from and they say there are no recalls on my model. They also said they're unaware of any recall.

We have a recall on all SC 63 and SC70 models produced between 2010 and 2013. No doubt anymore (even in the UK)...

It says a lot about your dealer how he deals with your concern. Nada! Of Course, this is my opinion!

You've jumped to a conclusion a little hastily there. Forgive me, I paraphrased, what they actually said is bear with us while we check, no nothing showing and we are not aware of anything yet. If Honda UK do make us aware of anything we will let you know straight away.

I also checked for myself on the Honda UK website against my VIN and that also states "no recall or updates" against this vehicle or some such similar words.

http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/my-bike/maintenance/recalls-and-updates.html

I'm not sure what more a dealer can do if Honda haven't reported anything? I don't see why some people are getting on their high horse over this. These things happen! I've been designing products for the best part of 30 years and even I didn't get everything right and I'm a genius ;-)

Edited December 8, 2015 by RoystonRocket2
#44
RoystonRocket2
vfrflanders
RoystonRocket2

Spoke with the dealer I purchased my 2013 (new) from and they say there are no recalls on my model. They also said they're unaware of any recall.

We have a recall on all SC 63 and SC70 models produced between 2010 and 2013. No doubt anymore (even in the UK)...

It says a lot about your dealer how he deals with your concern. Nada! Of Course, this is my opinion!

You've jumped to a conclusion a little hastily there. Forgive me, I paraphrased, what they actually said is bear with us while we check, no nothing showing and we are not aware of anything yet. If Honda UK do make us aware of anything we will let you know straight away.

I also checked for myself on the Honda UK website against my VIN and that also states "no recall or updates" against this vehicle or some such similar words.

http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/my-bike/maintenance/recalls-and-updates.html

I'm not sure what more a dealer can do if Honda haven't reported anything? I don't see why some people are getting on their high horse over this. These things happen! I've been designing products for the best part of 30 years and even I didn't get everything right and I'm a genius ;-)

Internet fueled rage is a transitory thing overtaken in short order by the next bright shiny object worthy of derision entering the field of view.

#45
RoystonRocket2

Spoke with the dealer I purchased my 2013 (new) from and they say there are no recalls on my model. They also said they're unaware of any recall.

Don't take any notice of your main dealer, all main dealers use the same info, and all will say no recall on your vin No, just wait until you get your letter from Honda UK, because you will, regardless of what your dealer says. :smile2:

#46
hvfrdave
RoystonRocket2

Spoke with the dealer I purchased my 2013 (new) from and they say there are no recalls on my model. They also said they're unaware of any recall.

Don't take any notice of your main dealer, all main dealers use the same info, and all will say no recall on your vin No, just wait until you get your letter from Honda UK, because you will, regardless of what your dealer says. :smile2:

I didn't / don't doubt that it may well come. I've a little experience of this bike ownership lark having started riding and owning them 35 years ago. I'm just saying until I have official notice from Honda then internet speculation means nothing. Currently, the dealer and Honda UK say no recall. When / if they do recall it, I'll take it in a get the work done.

#47
RoystonRocket2
hvfrdave
RoystonRocket2

Spoke with the dealer I purchased my 2013 (new) from and they say there are no recalls on my model. They also said they're unaware of any recall.

Don't take any notice of your main dealer, all main dealers use the same info, and all will say no recall on your vin No, just wait until you get your letter from Honda UK, because you will, regardless of what your dealer says. :smile2:

I didn't / don't doubt that it may well come. I've a little experience of this bike ownership lark having started riding and owning them 35 years ago. I'm just saying until I have official notice from Honda then internet speculation means nothing. Currently, the dealer and Honda UK say no recall. When / if they do recall it, I'll take it in a get the work done.

My dealer also told me, I have checked your Vin No, and no re-call is listed on your motorcycle, so I told him, I have been trying to get hold of Honda UK customer services all morning to clarify the rumors regarding the drive shaft. So after he got in touch with Honda UK, he then rang me back later in the day to say different, you will be getting a letter from Honda UK later in the week, regarding a re-call, with the UJ in the drive shaft.

#48

Question - appleis to USA owners - I'm a second owner, bought directly from a man that bought the bike new.

How will Honda know to email a letter to me? Do they check title registrations through the Department of Motorvehicles for each state? Or do they send letters only to those who bought new?

The bike had the extended warranty, so I transferred that into my name at the small local dealer, but I wonder how Honda Motorsports will know to include me in the notice.

Just curious - still not showing up on the recall page.

THanks,

-Dan

#49
Rider14

Question - appleis to USA owners - I'm a second owner, bought directly from a man that bought the bike new.

How will Honda know to email a letter to me? Do they check title registrations through the Department of Motorvehicles for each state? Or do they send letters only to those who bought new?

The bike had the extended warranty, so I transferred that into my name at the small local dealer, but I wonder how Honda Motorsports will know to include me in the notice.

Just curious - still not showing up on the recall page.

THanks,

-Dan

They'll find you through DMV. Got a recall notice for my Yamaha several months ago. I am not the original owner and never registered anything with Yamaha.

#50

did my first oil change today at 850 miles....changed the final drive gear oil too....no chunks in the gear oil :goofy: !!!!!

#51
swimmer
Rider14

Question - appleis to USA owners - I'm a second owner, bought directly from a man that bought the bike new.

How will Honda know to email a letter to me? Do they check title registrations through the Department of Motorvehicles for each state? Or do they send letters only to those who bought new?

The bike had the extended warranty, so I transferred that into my name at the small local dealer, but I wonder how Honda Motorsports will know to include me in the notice.

Just curious - still not showing up on the recall page.

THanks,

-Dan

They'll find you through DMV. Got a recall notice for my Yamaha several months ago. I am not the original owner and never registered anything with Yamaha.

@Swimmer, it sounds like you have already updated the mailing routine by transferring info at a dealership, as I was told that Is the process. Not done by phone or online.

They also confirmed the pending driveline U-joint recall today. Honda Powersports Cust Ser. 866-784-1870. (Have your Vin. # handy)

Honda of San Mateo, CA also confirmed pending recall...

"If you're having issues, have it inspected. The dealership will communicate up line if needed. If no issues, wait for the letter" was their comment to me.

At speed all feels fine here but...

How much slow speed slop n clatter is too much? I'm hearing varying degrees.

#53

Thanks to the OP for the heads up :fing02:

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#54

it looks to be official


both of my VIN #s came up positive

Edited December 11, 2015 by lshark
#55

AMERICAN HONDA EXPECTS TO RECEIVE THE FIRST SHIPMENTS OF THE REMEDY PARTS IN LATE 2015 TO EARLY 2016

So...

1. When do the new and improved driveshaft parts arrive at the dealer? Sounds like it could be next week, or next spring. Does anyone have any intel on when we will be actually able to get this fixed?

2. And, as others have posted, what driveline slop is normal, and what is a sign of imminent disaster? My 2010 has always had a lot of driveline lash--riding around a parking garage is an unpleasant, clunky exercise in clutch control. This will definitely have me thinking going round the cliffs on the PCH!

#56
bayarearider
swimmer
Rider14

Question - appleis to USA owners - I'm a second owner, bought directly from a man that bought the bike new.

How will Honda know to email a letter to me? Do they check title registrations through the Department of Motorvehicles for each state? Or do they send letters only to those who bought new?

The bike had the extended warranty, so I transferred that into my name at the small local dealer, but I wonder how Honda Motorsports will know to include me in the notice.

Just curious - still not showing up on the recall page.

THanks,

-Dan

They'll find you through DMV. Got a recall notice for my Yamaha several months ago. I am not the original owner and never registered anything with Yamaha.

@Swimmer, it sounds like you have already updated the mailing routine by transferring info at a dealership, as I was told that Is the process. Not done by phone or online.

They also confirmed the pending driveline U-joint recall today. Honda Powersports Cust Ser. 866-784-1870. (Have your Vin. # handy)

Honda of San Mateo, CA also confirmed pending recall...

"If you're having issues, have it inspected. The dealership will communicate up line if needed. If no issues, wait for the letter" was their comment to me.

At speed all feels fine here but...

How much slow speed slop n clatter is too much? I'm hearing varying degrees.

No, I didn't buy the Yamaha from a dealer and certainly never took it near a dealer. The recall notice just showed up. They get their information from the DMV.

#57
swimmer
bayarearider
swimmer
Rider14

Question - appleis to USA owners - I'm a second owner, bought directly from a man that bought the bike new.

How will Honda know to email a letter to me? Do they check title registrations through the Department of Motorvehicles for each state? Or do they send letters only to those who bought new?

The bike had the extended warranty, so I transferred that into my name at the small local dealer, but I wonder how Honda Motorsports will know to include me in the notice.

Just curious - still not showing up on the recall page.

THanks,

-Dan

They'll find you through DMV. Got a recall notice for my Yamaha several months ago. I am not the original owner and never registered anything with Yamaha.

@Swimmer, it sounds like you have already updated the mailing routine by transferring info at a dealership, as I was told that Is the process. Not done by phone or online.

They also confirmed the pending driveline U-joint recall today. Honda Powersports Cust Ser. 866-784-1870. (Have your Vin. # handy)

Honda of San Mateo, CA also confirmed pending recall...

"If you're having issues, have it inspected. The dealership will communicate up line if needed. If no issues, wait for the letter" was their comment to me.

At speed all feels fine here but...

How much slow speed slop n clatter is too much? I'm hearing varying degrees.

No, I didn't buy the Yamaha from a dealer and certainly never took it near a dealer. The recall notice just showed up. They get their information from the DMV.

Oh right, I meant to Rider14...

#58

So I guess I'm going to have to find a dealer to get my bike fixed. Last place my dad took his Goldwing to kinked his Radiator return hose when reassembling the bike causing it to overheat...

I just don't trust anyone to work on my bike (and that includes myself at times).

#59

i'm going to have to start going around interviewing Service Managers.....lol :unsure:

#62

good,....maybe this will get rid of the last bit of the driveline chatter that the reflash didn't cure

#63

It would appear that not all of the staff in customer services at Honda UK know about the recall. When I rang them I must have spoken to a different member of staff to the one that some dealers have spoken to, mine knew absolutely nothing about a recall. When I pressed him, he asked for my registration number and then told me there were no recalls for my Vfr1200F DCT.

#64

try searching your VIN# here ...http://powersports.honda.com/recalls.aspx


ask customer service about Campaign ID JW2


regardless if you purchased the bike new or private resale, just bring it to any Honda dealer and they will run the VIN# and fix bike if it's been recalled ,....it doesn't matter if you have the letter, they are concerned about accounting for every unit sold

#65

Went to my dealer yesterday armed with the info on my 1200. They pulled up the recall bulletin on the computer and said it was news to them, hadn't received any separate notices from mother Honda. They printed out the full repair procedure Honda provided. However, the PN's for the new parts weren't available in their system yet, so they couldn't schedule the repair until they were. They also said the bulletin said no checking required, just full parts replacement and it didn't segregate repair based on VIN, year etc. - all were to be repaired.

#66
Marsman99

Went to my dealer yesterday armed with the info on my 1200. They pulled up the recall bulletin on the computer and said it was news to them, hadn't received any separate notices from mother Honda. They printed out the full repair procedure Honda provided. However, the PN's for the new parts weren't available in their system yet, so they couldn't schedule the repair until they were. They also said the bulletin said no checking required, just full parts replacement and it didn't segregate repair based on VIN, year etc. - all were to be repaired.

I was told to same by my dealer as the recall is there but no parts are available yet so hopefully the parts will be in shortly.

#67

i was just looking at the service manual (pg 14-6), it doesn't seem to be a terribly difficult job, swing arm doesn't have to be removed

#68
lshark

i was just looking at the service manual (pg 14-6), it doesn't seem to be a terribly difficult job, swing arm doesn't have to be removed

In fact, the Honda sevice tech quoted me one hour to do the full warranty repair, which I was a bit surprised by. It would take me an hour just to clear my workbench, read the manual, and crack open a beer.

#69
VIN: JH2SC6317AK000775
  • YEAR: 2010
  • CATEGORY: MOTORCYCLES
  • SUB-CATEGORY: SPORT
  • MODEL: VFR1200F
  • NUMBER OF OPEN RECALLS: 1

  • LAST UPDATED: DEC 14, 2015

NHTSA RECALL NUMBER: TBD CAMPAIGN DESCRIPTION: 10-13 VFR12 PROPELLER SHAFT MFR CAMPAIGN ID: JW2 RECALL DATE: 12/04/2015 RECALL STATUS: Recall INCOMPLETE SUMMARY:

AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC. (HONDA) IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 AND 2012-2013 VFR1200F/FD MOTORCYCLES. THE DRIVESHAFT UNIVERSAL JOINT BEARING MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PROPERLY ASSEMBLED AND, EVEN IF PROPERLY ASSEMBLED, MAY NOT HAVE SPECIFIED DURABILITY AS THE RESULT OF MANUFACTURING ERRORS.

SAFETY RISK:

IF THE UNIVERSAL JOINT SEPARATES, DRIVE FORCE WILL BE LOST; IF THE UNIVERSAL JOINT BREAKS, IT IS POSSIBLE IT MAY INTERFERE WITH THE SWING ARM AND LOCK THE REAR WHEEL WHILE RIDING. EITHER OUTCOME INCREASES THE RISK OF A CRASH.

REMEDY:

HONDA WILL NOTIFY OWNERS. AND DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE DRIVESHAFT, FREE OF CHARGE. WHILE AMERICAN HONDA EXPECTS TO RECEIVE THE FIRST SHIPMENTS OF THE REMEDY PARTS IN LATE 2015 TO EARLY 2016, CUSTOMERS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF EXPERIENCING SYMPTOMS OF THE DEFECT BEFORE THE REMEDY PARTS ARE AVAILABLE CAN BRING THEIR VEHICLE TO A HONDA MOTORCYCLE DEALERSHIP FOR INSPECTION. IF THE DRIVESHAFT FAILS THE INSPECTION, THE DRIVESHAFT WILL BE REPLACED WITH A NEW PRE-COUNTERMEASURE PART, FREE OF CHARGE; THE CUSTOMER WILL BE ASKED TO RETURN TO HAVE THE DRIVESHAFT REPLACED WITH A REMEDY PART ONCE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE. ONCE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE, HONDA DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE DRIVESHAFT ON ALL AFFECTED VEHICLES WITH A REMEDY PART, FREE OF CHARGE.

#70
Marsman99
lshark

i was just looking at the service manual (pg 14-6), it doesn't seem to be a terribly difficult job, swing arm doesn't have to be removed

In fact, the Honda sevice tech quoted me one hour to do the full warranty repair, which I was a bit surprised by. It would take me an hour just to clear my workbench, read the manual, and crack open a beer.

Sometimes it takes me that long just to get the bodywork off, LOL!

Well this is a helluva way for Honda to compete with BMW. :-(

Good luck everyone.

#71
HispanicSlammer VIN: JH2SC6317AK000775
  • YEAR: 2010
  • CATEGORY: MOTORCYCLES
  • SUB-CATEGORY: SPORT
  • MODEL: VFR1200F
  • NUMBER OF OPEN RECALLS: 1

  • LAST UPDATED: DEC 14, 2015

NHTSA RECALL NUMBER: TBD CAMPAIGN DESCRIPTION: 10-13 VFR12 PROPELLER SHAFT MFR CAMPAIGN ID: JW2 RECALL DATE: 12/04/2015 RECALL STATUS: Recall INCOMPLETE SUMMARY:

AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC. (HONDA) IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 AND 2012-2013 VFR1200F/FD MOTORCYCLES. THE DRIVESHAFT UNIVERSAL JOINT BEARING MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PROPERLY ASSEMBLED AND, EVEN IF PROPERLY ASSEMBLED, MAY NOT HAVE SPECIFIED DURABILITY AS THE RESULT OF MANUFACTURING ERRORS.

SAFETY RISK:

IF THE UNIVERSAL JOINT SEPARATES, DRIVE FORCE WILL BE LOST; IF THE UNIVERSAL JOINT BREAKS, IT IS POSSIBLE IT MAY INTERFERE WITH THE SWING ARM AND LOCK THE REAR WHEEL WHILE RIDING. EITHER OUTCOME INCREASES THE RISK OF A CRASH.

REMEDY:

HONDA WILL NOTIFY OWNERS. AND DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE DRIVESHAFT, FREE OF CHARGE. WHILE AMERICAN HONDA EXPECTS TO RECEIVE THE FIRST SHIPMENTS OF THE REMEDY PARTS IN LATE 2015 TO EARLY 2016, CUSTOMERS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF EXPERIENCING SYMPTOMS OF THE DEFECT BEFORE THE REMEDY PARTS ARE AVAILABLE CAN BRING THEIR VEHICLE TO A HONDA MOTORCYCLE DEALERSHIP FOR INSPECTION. IF THE DRIVESHAFT FAILS THE INSPECTION, THE DRIVESHAFT WILL BE REPLACED WITH A NEW PRE-COUNTERMEASURE PART, FREE OF CHARGE; THE CUSTOMER WILL BE ASKED TO RETURN TO HAVE THE DRIVESHAFT REPLACED WITH A REMEDY PART ONCE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE. ONCE PARTS ARE AVAILABLE, HONDA DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE DRIVESHAFT ON ALL AFFECTED VEHICLES WITH A REMEDY PART, FREE OF CHARGE.

Good job on Honda for addressing this issue properly.

#72

I almost have 50k on this bike - I will get the work done but doubt it has an issue, it would have failed by now? She needs some loving care, shock rebuild, new rear brake disc ready to put on, replacing some plastic, new shoes, new tires. I will be ready this summer to ride.

#73
HispanicSlammer

I almost have 50k on this bike - I will get the work done but doubt it has an issue, it would have failed by now? She needs some loving care, shock rebuild, new rear brake disc ready to put on, replacing some plastic, new shoes, new tires. I will be ready this summer to ride.

Mine failed at 94,000 KM (56,000 Miles), I would get it checked especially if Honda is willing to pay for the inspection.

#74

Is a shaft drive fluid change part of the work order? I know the fluid change is easy, but if it's one less thing I have to do come spring then GREAT!

#75

My 2010 is subject to the recall. 44K miles and no issues, but obviously I don't want to have a problem. I have not received my letter in the mail, but I talked to the dealer. Honda tells the dealer the parts will not be available until at least mid-January (and perhaps later).

#76

I think the key word here (at least for us Northern Hemisphere guys) is JANUARY.....I think i'm going to ride it whenever it's nice out until they put down salt for the first time...which prob won't be long....then the forks come off and go to see Jamie.......i also had 44K miles on my 2010.....no issues....i'm not stressing...get it done in february

#77

When I called my dealership, they said don't ride it. Evidently they've heard of the rear wheel actually looking up. Which is odd since they only sold 3000 of these bikes world wide it looks like, according to the Japanese recall posting. I had to buy a car to drive because I'm not taking the bike. I wonder if I can make honda pay for that...hmmm...anyway, my dealer said early Feb is when I should expect my parts. Then again, living north of Seattle, parts won't be here until July, HA!

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Edited December 18, 2015 by Artfulkatana
#78
Artfulkatana

When I called my dealership, they said don't ride it. Evidently they've heard of the rear wheel actually looking up. Which is odd since they only sold 3000 of these bikes world wide it looks like, according to the Japanese recall posting. I had to buy a car to drive because I'm not taking the bike. I wonder if I can make honda pay for that...hmmm...anyway, my dealer said early Feb is when I should expect my parts. Then again, living north of Seattle, parts won't be here until July, HA!

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I think if the situation was urgent Honda would have notices to owners ASAP. That isn't happening so I will keep on putting as many miles as possible on my VFR.

#79

It's probably one of those things they've seen only a handful of, and have calculated that it's cheaper to do the recall than pay a settlement or suffer a judgement in a wrongful death suit. The odds of any one unit failing are likely quite low.

#80

if it was an imminent danger, the NHTSA would have issued a no-ride recall in the US......this is based on the potential for catastrophic failure, due to some less serious failures or early wear situations ....i think this is a voluntary recall on Honda's part

#81

I looked at one at a local dealer, and they said they couldn't sell it until the recall was performed. They thoughts parts would be in next week or so.

#82
Artfulkatana

When I called my dealership, they said don't ride it. Evidently they've heard of the rear wheel actually looking up. Which is odd since they only sold 3000 of these bikes world wide it looks like, according to the Japanese recall posting. I had to buy a car to drive because I'm not taking the bike. I wonder if I can make honda pay for that...hmmm...anyway, my dealer said early Feb is when I should expect my parts. Then again, living north of Seattle, parts won't be here until July, HA!

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3000 worldwide??? That since 2010? So five years equates to 600 a year (worldwide). Popular bike then.

#83
adeyren
Artfulkatana

When I called my dealership, they said don't ride it. Evidently they've heard of the rear wheel actually looking up. Which is odd since they only sold 3000 of these bikes world wide it looks like, according to the Japanese recall posting. I had to buy a car to drive because I'm not taking the bike. I wonder if I can make honda pay for that...hmmm...anyway, my dealer said early Feb is when I should expect my parts. Then again, living north of Seattle, parts won't be here until July, HA!

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3000 worldwide??? That since 2010? So five years equates to 600 a year (worldwide). Popular bike then.

Well, someone need to learn how to read...3000 units was only for a recall and in Japan only. They sold at least 20 times more...

Edited December 20, 2015 by veeefour
#84

I stand corrected, thank you. Must learn to read more.

#85

Only in Italy there are 3500 VFR recalled, about 1250 VFR 1200 F and 2250 VFR 1200 X Crosstourer.

#86
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

Probably been said, but surely you have a case for reclaiming the cost of this due to it being acknowledged as a fault?

#87
johnlondon
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

Probably been said, but surely you have a case for reclaiming the cost of this due to it being acknowledged as a fault?

Honda will not refund work preformed before recall or at least not here . Maybe there they will .

#88
Switchblade
johnlondon
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

Probably been said, but surely you have a case for reclaiming the cost of this due to it being acknowledged as a fault?

Honda will not refund work preformed before recall or at least not here . Maybe there they will .

i'd get a lawyer

was it the u joint that failed ????

#89

I would absolutely be getting my money back. Charging £xxx/$xxx for work that is a known fault is more than enough grounds to request the money back. Either way, they've spent/would have spent the time rectifying it, so the money isn't required by them. I'm under the impression that the manufacturer compensates the dealer for any recall work performed anyway.

Also, rather than reading this whole thread - is this recall essentially for ALL 1200 bikes produced during the period in question? As I'm picking up a 2010 model in the new year, I'd like to know - I just don't have the VIN available to check online.

#90
johnlondon

I would absolutely be getting my money back. Charging £xxx/$xxx for work that is a known fault is more than enough grounds to request the money back. Either way, they've spent/would have spent the time rectifying it, so the money isn't required by them. I'm under the impression that the manufacturer compensates the dealer for any recall work performed anyway.

Also, rather than reading this whole thread - is this recall essentially for ALL 1200 bikes produced during the period in question? As I'm picking up a 2010 model in the new year, I'd like to know - I just don't have the VIN available to check online.

The Vin No is a waste of time at the moment, because it will come up as no re-call on your Vin No, until Honda have all the parts in stock, to do the re-call, we will have to be patient, then reg keepers, will get a letter through the post. As regards to how many bikes, I would of thought most of them, its only the latest models on the production run that won't be effected, and only Honda know that.

#91

Thanks Dave.

This might sound a bit special, but how will Honda know I'm the owner? I'm assuming they only know the details of the original person who bought the bike from the dealer, or do they somehow use DVLA etc?

Also, are there any signs this may well be ready to go wrong on the bike? I've got a ~350 mile ride from where it is, back to mine in London - would rather this not lock my rear wheel up mid bend...or at any point really! The bike's got 55k on it so I doubt it's about to go *ping* but you never know.

#92

Just to make sure, go to your nearest Honda dealer, when you know the re-calls in the UK have started, I will let you know, as soon as I know. As regards to your 350 mile journey, that should not be a problem. For minds sake, I can see of the photo, that your bike as a centre stand, put the bike on the centre stand, [do not run the engine when you do this], then on the left hand side of the engine, there is a rubber gator, just forward of the swing arm pivot, just un clip the gator so you can see the UJ of the prop-shaft, now do a visual check, if there is any sign of heat build up, ie purple or dark blue, around the UJ, [don't ride your bike] if all's well, make sure she is in neutral, and rotate the rear wheel, in a forward direction, now it should rotate freely and quietly, now at the same time have a look at the UJ while it is rotating, now put it in 1st gear and do the same, rotate backwards and forwards, there will be some free play, when you do this but there is nothing to worry about, they all do it., now if there is any sign of the UJ grabbing again [don't ride it,] But I am sure it will be ok. Because I know your bike will have been serviced, correctly. Hope this helps, enjoy your ride home, ride safe, Dave.

Thanks Dave.

This might sound a bit special, but how will Honda know I'm the owner? I'm assuming they only know the details of the original person who bought the bike from the dealer, or do they somehow use DVLA etc?

Also, are there any signs this may well be ready to go wrong on the bike? I've got a ~350 mile ride from where it is, back to mine in London - would rather this not lock my rear wheel up mid bend...or at any point really! The bike's got 55k on it so I doubt it's about to go *ping* but you never know.

A photo of a UJ in good condition.

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#93

Sweet, thanks for the info! I'll let you know how I get on.

#94
johnlondon

Sweet, thanks for the info! I'll let you know how I get on.

No problem.

#95
Switchblade

For legal purposes for those who own the bike in question you have have been unofficially notified .

Think about that for a minute .

Serious question (and utterly off topic) do you have something wrong with your spacebar?

#96
johnlondon
Switchblade

For legal purposes for those who own the bike in question you have have been unofficially notified .

Think about that for a minute .

Serious question (and utterly off topic) do you have something wrong with your spacebar?

:wink:

#97

I read it in a robot's voice and it tires me out!

#98

The recall covers ALL the VFR 1200 F/X produced until now, no need to use the ViN number.

#99

So happy to have received my letter from Honda Australia on Christmas Eve. I now feel as though I belong.

No worries though, as long as they fix it.

#100

Got my letter from Honda Australia as well.

Rang my local Honda dealer and they said that the parts are on back order and will arrive in about a month.

Meanwhile I will be continuing to ride my bike.

#101

Just got wind of this recall... went to the Honda corporate website and input my VIN.... bike #572 produced in 2010. One of the first batch made!

It says I need the inspection and repair. Mine's a 2010 manual shift with just over 9K miles.

I filled out a service request form from a local dealer online, mentioning I need the recall service/repair done.

I also asked if they had a loaner bike (so I could get home and then back the next day)

I also purchased the bike out of state last year... not so unusual, right?

Got back this rather pert reply from the service manager:

Hello Brian, This is in response to your email sent to us regarding the drive shaft recall on your VFR. I do not show that you purchased said motorcycle from this dealership, nor do I have any record of any service work performed here. Thus, I will need your VIN to contact Honda and order the needed parts kit. There is currently no release date as to when we would receive said kit, so I cannot book you an appointment at this time. The proper procedure is as follows. 1) send me your VFRs VIN number. I will contact Honda and order the kit for your unit. Once we receive the kit, I will contact you and set up an appointment.The work will take one day. Drop off the unit on the morning of your appointment and we would have it done that afternoon. Unfortunately, we do not have "loaner" motorcycles. Thank you for your inquiry, <Dealer Name Here> Is it just me or does the letter above seem a bit rude? BLIGHT Here's the specifics regarding the recall: [image: post-23603-0-18425000-1451669602.jpg] Edited January 2, 2016 by BLIGHT
#102

Dunno, seems ok to me. Just a robotic response to an enquiry. I wouldn't take it personally!

#103
johnlondon

Dunno, seems ok to me. Just a robotic response to an enquiry. I wouldn't take it personally!

OK, I'll let it go... it's not like I have a lot of options anyway!

Bummed I can't ride it for several weeks with some peace of mind though.

Think I'll do the suggested visual check inside the rubber boot and see if anything looks weird or loose.

My 40 year old GL1000 never had any driveshaft issues... you'd think Honda would have had plenty of time to make it 'bulletproof'

BLIGHT

#104
johnlondon

Dunno, seems ok to me. Just a robotic response to ary. I wouldn't take it personally!

+1. Seems very reasonable. Honda loaner bikes in the US is almost unheard of, especially if your bike is out of warranty.

#105

No letter yet. Too bad they didn't recall the rear shock.....

#106
BLIGHT
johnlondon

Dunno, seems ok to me. Just a robotic response to an enquiry. I wouldn't take it personally!

OK, I'll let it go... it's not like I have a lot of options anyway!

Bummed I can't ride it for several weeks with some peace of mind though.

Think I'll do the suggested visual check inside the rubber boot and see if anything looks weird or loose.

My 40 year old GL1000 never had any driveshaft issues... you'd think Honda would have had plenty of time to make it 'bulletproof'

BLIGHT

if this was a no ride recall the NHTSA would have been very clear about it....your u joint is in the same condition it was in before honda made the press release.....if you feel any vibration, go and get a replacement part installed while waiting for the remedy parts to be available......a guy on the facebook page had it done already, it takes a couple of hours

#107

So there is no chance of getting a 'free' differential fluid change out of it. I understand it's easy and straight forward... I'm just a chronic over-tightener and don't want to sheer off the bolt.

#108

i sheared off the filler cap on the final drive case rather easily last year....that part is the valve tappet cover from the old CB750 and SL/XL singles from the 60's and 70's...CB 350 too i think.....they were known to break

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your final drive oil will get changed during the recall service

#109
crakerjac

So there is no chance of getting a 'free' differential fluid change out of it. I understand it's easy and straight forward... I'm just a chronic over-tightener and don't want to sheer off the bolt.

Buy a set of torque wrenches ;-)

#110

I have a Snap-on torque wrench, mine broke removing it after it was properly torqued

#111
lshark

I have a Snap-on torque wrench, mine broke removing it after it was properly torqued

Bugger, I hate it when that happens. I just suggested torque wrenches for crakerjac as he said he's a "chronic over tightener".

#112

I have a set of torque wrenches... but as I'm putting stuff back together, I always have to turn it just a little more... then a little bit more for good measure. My dad is the same way and I will probably pass on that same nasty trait to my son (circle of life and all).

#113
crakerjac

I have a set of torque wrenches... but as I'm putting stuff back together, I always have to turn it just a little more... then a little bit more for good measure. My dad is the same way and I will probably pass on that same nasty trait to my son (circle of life and all).

Torque wrench will just give trouble on this cap. Proper tool for this particular cap is a socket drive with a screwdriver handle, or holding the socket wrench at the head and not the handle

#114
lshark

your final drive oil will get changed during the recall service

So bring along some good oil for them to put in instead of them using the Honda stuff.

#115

I think the message is professional, informative, and helpful.

The service staff are likely very busy. And the service person went to the trouble to search their purchase or repair records for your motorcycle then write you a through letter, showing what they need from you and how they would proceed.

I'm no fan of dealers. But I'd be happy to get that message from my local Honda dealer.

Cheers

BLIGHT

Just got wind of this recall... went to the Honda corporate website and input my VIN.... bike #572 produced in 2010. One of the first batch made!

It says I need the inspection and repair. Mine's a 2010 manual shift with just over 9K miles.

I filled out a service request form from a local dealer online, mentioning I need the recall service/repair done.

I also asked if they had a loaner bike (so I could get home and then back the next day)

I also purchased the bike out of state last year... not so unusual, right?

Got back this rather pert reply from the service manager:

Hello Brian, This is in response to your email sent to us regarding the drive shaft recall on your VFR. I do not show that you purchased said motorcycle from this dealership, nor do I have any record of any service work performed here. Thus, I will need your VIN to contact Honda and order the needed parts kit. There is currently no release date as to when we would receive said kit, so I cannot book you an appointment at this time. The proper procedure is as follows. 1) send me your VFRs VIN number. I will contact Honda and order the kit for your unit. Once we receive the kit, I will contact you and set up an appointment.The work will take one day. Drop off the unit on the morning of your appointment and we would have it done that afternoon. Unfortunately, we do not have "loaner" motorcycles. Thank you for your inquiry, <Dealer Name Here> Is it just me or does the letter above seem a bit rude? BLIGHT Here's the specifics regarding the recall: [image: attachicon.gif]Scan0002.jpg
#116

So this is odd, looks as though Honda don't want to caress my bike with new parts!

Anyone shed any light on it?

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#117

I get the same when I check my bike details. The recall still hasn't been made official in the uk. Hopefully they are just waiting for the parts to be available before they anounce it. But it is definitely going to be in the uk.

#121

Its on the USA Honda site as well.

#122

My resale announced the arrival of the tools ... but the pieces still not arrived. Will understand..
#123

Just dropped my 2010 off at my dealership. It failed the inspection. Evidently there's an inspection "hole" somewhere within the assembly that if not present, it needs replacement. That hole would be the newer part obviously, none of us will have it. They have to call into honda direct for replacement parts on this bike. The parts don't come up within dealership maintenance systems. This one is kept close to Big Red I guess. I was also told I couldn't get a loaner. Gonna fight that, kinda mad they wont. Should at least get reimbursement for a vehicle.

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Edited January 9, 2016 by Artfulkatana
#124
Mohawk

Wow what's it like to own a very low volume bike ? Honda just inadvertently told us how poor sales have been.

"(Total 2) (Two models)

(Scope of the entire production life cycle)

3/2/2010-9/2/2015 (1852 bikes)"

That's 1852 bikes sold in 5 years ! Or approx 370 per year, I assume that's world wide ! That's the kind of numbers sold in the UK at the moment for most major bikes in the 600-1000cc size range ! That's very poor numbers. Must be why the RCV213S costs so much to recoup losses ! :(

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That's so sad 'cos IMO it's such a great bike. I've got a Jan '14 DCT model and I just love it. The build quality (excepting the present and soon to be sorted drive-shaft woes) is up to Rolls-Royce standard and the price reflects this. Unfortunately it seems there's not enough riders out there that can/will pay for it. I was looking forward to replacing my bike with a another brand new one in 2017 but there's a 'whisper' that because of poor sales it may be dropped from the range before then.

The irony is that I got so fed-up with the high demands of rear chain maintenance on my otherwise beautiful 2011 HRC Fireblade that I finally traded it in for the low maintenance, long life reliability of a shaft-drive bike. DOH!

#125

here's a copy of the service bulletin for the recall

VFR1200 Propeller Shaft Repair Method.pdf


these are from Honda in Australia

SBMC1525-VFR1200 Drive Shaft Recall.pdf


looks like they don't have to drain the final drive oil....you're going to have to pay for a change

#126

Have we discovered if they are saying ALL VFR1200s are affected by this or only ones that fail a check (which check? There isn't one in either of those downloads, just replacement procedure)? Or is it only certain years or is it by a check?

#127
lshark

here's a copy of the service bulletin for the recall

[image: attachicon.gif]VFR1200 Propeller Shaft Repair Method.pdf

these are from Honda in Australia

[image: attachicon.gif]SBMC1525-VFR1200 Drive Shaft Recall.pdf

looks like they don't have to drain the final drive oil....you're going to have to pay for a change

Interesting read, thanks Ishark. It's a nit, and I assume obvious, but in the repair procedure they don't specifically mention replacing the affected shaft with the countermeasure shaft in the VFR1200 F/FD section as they do on page 11 in the VFR1200X_XD section.

Looks like a lot of work to be done for roughly an hour of labor as allowed in the recall bulletin. Also, at least in Australia, no one can buy a 1200 from a dealer until this repair is done. Pretty sure simiiar law applies elsewhere.

Skids

Have we discovered if they are saying ALL VFR1200s are affected by this or only ones that fail a check (which check? There isn't one in either of those downloads, just replacement procedure)? Or is it only certain years or is it by a check?

On the first page of the recall bulletin they state these are the affected units by VIN:

Affected units

VFR1200F/FD/X/XD

JH2SC63U*AK000002 – JH2SC63U*FK400061

JH2SC70U*CK000002 – JH2SC70U*FK300048

Note: The asterix * denotes the check digit

But my dealer said his on-line info stated all units were to receive the repair. So, there is indeed some confusion.

#128
Skids

Have we discovered if they are saying ALL VFR1200s are affected by this or only ones that fail a check (which check? There isn't one in either of those downloads, just replacement procedure)? Or is it only certain years or is it by a check?

I was in Norton Way Letchworth over Christmas and asked both at the service desk and Steve in the showroom. They both still claim to know nothing about this! Be interesting to see what happens next in the UK / Europe.

My VIN has A2DK3 at its centre which doesn't appear in the numbers above. It could simply be different countries / continents dealing with the recalls separately though of course. So, for now, in the UK, we wait.

Edited January 10, 2016 by RoystonRocket2
#129
RoystonRocket2
Skids

Have we discovered if they are saying ALL VFR1200s are affected by this or only ones that fail a check (which check? There isn't one in either of those downloads, just replacement procedure)? Or is it only certain years or is it by a check?

I was in Norton Way Letchworth over Christmas and asked both at the service desk and Steve in the showroom. They both still claim to know nothing about this! Be interesting to see what happens next in the UK / Europe.

At least mine isn't being ridden and hopefully by the time I get back, it will all be sorted.

If there's a time limit on the recall, I may have to ask you to take it in for me. :491:

#130
Skids
RoystonRocket2
Skids

Have we discovered if they are saying ALL VFR1200s are affected by this or only ones that fail a check (which check? There isn't one in either of those downloads, just replacement procedure)? Or is it only certain years or is it by a check?

I was in Norton Way Letchworth over Christmas and asked both at the service desk and Steve in the showroom. They both still claim to know nothing about this! Be interesting to see what happens next in the UK / Europe.

At least mine isn't being ridden and hopefully by the time I get back, it will all be sorted.

If there's a time limit on the recall, I may have to ask you to take it in for me. :491:

No worries, I've been using yours since you went anyway ;-)

#131
RoystonRocket2
Skids
RoystonRocket2
Skids

Have we discovered if they are saying ALL VFR1200s are affected by this or only ones that fail a check (which check? There isn't one in either of those downloads, just replacement procedure)? Or is it only certain years or is it by a check?

I was in Norton Way Letchworth over Christmas and asked both at the service desk and Steve in the showroom. They both still claim to know nothing about this! Be interesting to see what happens next in the UK / Europe.

At least mine isn't being ridden and hopefully by the time I get back, it will all be sorted.

If there's a time limit on the recall, I may have to ask you to take it in for me. :491:

No worries, I've been using yours since you went anyway ;-)

Don't even joke about it! :ohmy:

#132

This topic is generating interest with me too. I am in Canada and am unable to get any info from the Honda site. The affected units listed appear to country specific as my serial fits none of the lists. If any one from Canada has additional info I would appreciate it.

Thanks to everyone for posting to this topic. :unsure:

#134
VFRRelic

This topic is generating interest with me too. I am in Canada and am unable to get any info from the Honda site. The affected units listed appear to country specific as my serial fits none of the lists. If any one from Canada has additional info I would appreciate it.

Thanks to everyone for posting to this topic. :unsure:

Just follow this URL and put in your VIN. You will see a PDF with a notice from Honda Canada.

https://motorcycle.honda.ca/safety/recalls

#135

So I'm reading through the service bulletin and I'm trying to figure out exactly what they are replacing. As they disassemble the rear end, they are replacing the caliper bolts, ring set and circlip on propeller shaft assembly. The dealer is also supposed to apply some moly grease when they re-assemble, but I'm not seeing any big parts they are replacing... they all seem like stuff you would replace anyways when doing a tare down.

#136

On the Australian website, item No 1 is a new prop-shaft, I can't see that being any different on the American or Canadian re-call.

#137

My dealer in Manitoba Canada was notified of the recall. Since its -40c here with snow on the ground,I'm not in a big hurry. The dealer did tell that when I receive the letter from Honda Canada,to bring it to them,and they will order the parts. Each dealer is not automatically given the repair parts,without the documentation.

#138

I just received my recall letter from Honda Korea. The recall is good for 5 years, recall starts on 2-15-2016. I have over 187,000 KM, could I be denied due to high mileage? My Shaft Drive failed (U-Joint) over 2 years ago and If they replace it with a new unit this will be the 3rd one.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Dae
#139

Dae, there's no mention of mileage being a factor in the Australian recall paperwork so there probably wont be in the Korean either.

Are you going to ask about refunds for previous failures?

#140
hvfrdave

On the Australian website, item No 1 is a new prop-shaft, I can't see that being any different on the American or Canadian re-call.

The North American version does not have that table showing which new parts come in the recall kit. On the other hand the title of the bulletin is "propeller shaft replacement" so one would assume you get a new shaft assy.

Dae

I have over 187,000 KM, could I be denied due to high mileage?

They should be impressed more than anything. No way they can deny for high mileage.

#141
Skids

Dae, there's no mention of mileage being a factor in the Australian recall paperwork so there probably wont be in the Korean either.

Are you going to ask about refunds for previous failures?

I should clarify that I had 1 U-Joint failure. In the recall notice, it states that I can get reimbursement for work done relating to shaft drive unit. Motorcycle.com has a good description and illustration on what parts failed in the driveshaft.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/12/30/manufacturers/honda/2010-2013-honda-vfr1200f-recalled-for-driveshaft-issue/

This is my original post back in 2013.

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php/topic/75671-failed-final-driveshaft/

Edited January 13, 2016 by Dae
#142

there can be no mileage limit......it is a defectively manufactured part

Edited January 13, 2016 by lshark
#143

Got my recall notice in the mail today from Honda on my 2013 vfr1200.

#144

i got mine yesterday

#145

Called my dealer today. They are expecting parts by the end of the month and will call me when they come in. Already had one other guy on their waiting list.

#146
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

I just got my recall notice, in it there is a provision and form for owners who have had theirs repaired to get reimbursed. Check that out. Of course my notice came from American Honda, so you will have to get the notice and reimbursement form perhaps from the dealer who sold you the bike.

#147
HispanicSlammer
Dae

Mine failed over 2 years ago and cost me $2000 in repair cost, I wish the recall came out earlier.

I just got my recall notice, in it there is a provision and form for owners who have had theirs repaired to get reimbursed. Check that out. Of course my notice came from American Honda, so you will have to get the notice and reimbursement form perhaps from the dealer who sold you the bike.

I contacted Honda Korea, they said shaft propeller should come into dealerships in Korea starting in Mid February 2016. I will get reimbursement for any work done to the shaft drive prior to the recall.

Korea only sold 36 VFR 1200 F & FD before taking out of it's lineup after 2012.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Dae
#148
Dae

I contacted Honda Korea, they said shaft propeller should come into dealerships in Korea starting in Mid February 2016. I will get reimbursement for any work done to the shaft drive prior to the recall.

That is good news!

#149

Received recall in the mail on Saturday. Called dealer today and they are ordering the parts for me. Requested my tech that I've used for 15 years. No big deal at all.

#150

Mine showed up last week, and I went to the dealer to schedule. They said Honda didn't even know when the parts would be available. Then they said that they need to inform me that I should not ride the bike. I read the letter three times and no where does it say to stop riding - only that if you are concerned, to have it inspected. I just sent the forks and shock to Jamie, so I'm not in a rush, but I will be anxious to ride when the suspension comes back and I get it installed!

I guess I will just pull back the boot and give the U-joint a look....................

#151

I am glad that Honda have finally come clean on this issue.

Every VFR1200 I have ridden with the exception of the press release bikes have had a low frequency harmonic thrum emanating from the drive line.

I incorrectly assumed this was a design defect related to the new shaft/pinion interface that eliminates suspension jacking inherent in traditional shaft drive bikes.

I am actually excited that Honda have already developed a counter-measure as I really would like to replace my ST1300 with a VFR1200 and this was the single concern holding me back.

#152
CornerCarver

Every VFR1200 I have ridden with the exception of the press release bikes have had a low frequency harmonic thrum emanating from the drive line.

I'm going to looking out for that every time I ride now. Git. :wink:

Seriously, never noticed anything like that in my meagre 3500 miles.

#153
Skids
CornerCarver

Every VFR1200 I have ridden with the exception of the press release bikes have had a low frequency harmonic thrum emanating from the drive line.

I'm going to looking out for that every time I ride now. Git. :wink:

Seriously, never noticed anything like that in my meagre 3500 miles.

The last one I put any miles on was a 2012 model rented in Munich for the San Marino GP in 2014. I was hoping the once-in-a-lifetime fly away GP experience and the roads I had been planning to ride since I discovered google maps would sway me to make a purchase of a left over 2012 model when I returned home but it only made me more nervous.

You have to find that spot between cruise rpms and just slightly off throttle (and you may need more than 3500 miles for the assembly lube to show its' weakness) but I could identify the bike if I were a blindfolded pillion in that throttle position.

#154

Went down to the dealer Saturday and ordered the part, they called today and said it was in so I'm going to drop the bike off tomorrow and have them repair it durning the week. I think I got lucky, only 5 day wait for the part. I'm going to try and take a picture of the kit for you guys if the service department lets me.

#155

Honda uk are now showing the driveshaft recall when you go onto the Honda updates and recall page. My 2014 came up when I entered the VIN.

#156

I should have kept the failed shaft drive but tossed in the trash last year. I hope the dealer let's me into the work area and see if I can see if their is any difference in the new unit.

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Edited January 23, 2016 by Dae
#157

There claiming it's just a assembly problem so should be no difference but yeah it would have been interesting to see if there was any changes.

#158
Switchblade

There claiming it's just a assembly problem so should be no difference but yeah it would have been interesting to see if there was any changes.

That's not what the recall notice stated.

The recall notice stated that there would be checks performed on all VFR1200's and if the shaft needed to be replaced and the dealer did not have the newly designed they would utilize current inventory of replacement parts in the interim and then change the shaft again when the item with the counter-measures was available.

#159

Here is the new shaft we will all receive, this was taken at my dealership today.

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Edited January 24, 2016 by mikep
#160

I checked with the Honda UK website today and my bike is recalled. I've not received anything in the post but then I'm away so it may have arrived and Mrs Skids not told me.

May have to arrange for my bestest best buddy ever, good old Royston Rocket 2 to take it in for me. He's such a good bloke you know; tall, handsome, selfless, always there for his mates, nothing too much trouble to help a m8 out - you know the type, one in a million! :491: :goofy:

#161
Skids

I checked with the Honda UK website today and my bike is recalled. I've not received anything in the post but then I'm away so it may have arrived and Mrs Skids not told me.

May have to arrange for my bestest best buddy ever, good old Royston Rocket 2 to take it in for me. He's such a good bloke you know; tall, handsome, selfless, always there for his mates, nothing too much trouble to help a m8 out - you know the type, one in a million! :491: :goofy:

Who is this? ;-)

You have mail.

#162

Actually m8, they're just offered to collect it.

No mention of a charge yet, so better wait and see.

#163

Went into my local uk Honda dealer. Said they were only at phase 1 of the recall. Remove, inspect and replace if faulty with the same spec driveshaft. The modified driveshaft is still not available. Phase 2 will happen when the parts are available and all driveshafts will be replaced. Check mine and it has play in the U/J. Not using the bike till the weather has improved and don't want to get the driveshaft replaced just to do it all again in a couple of months. Not unless it takes too long for the parts to be avalable.

#164

I've been dealing with Honda America trying to get compensation for my VFR since it's been in the shop for over 2 weeks. My dealership said that after they do the inspection, they weren't going to waste time and reinstall everything so i could ride it home and wait for the parts. I told Honda America this, and since the letter hasn't been sent regarding the recall, i can't get reimbursement...what? Lol, but the guy handling my claim at Big Red said they expidited everything and i should be done this coming week. Not too pleased with how they're handling this

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Edited January 25, 2016 by Artfulkatana
#165

Hi guys!

Phase 1 can retain the motorcycle in the dealer. We know that. With me, about two hours to disassemble, check, replace the rings and assemble. Everything is OK with the driveshafts. I paid the oil, unfortunately. But I am satisfied. Machine in hand is the best thing of the world .

#166

Well, it's February 1 in another day...still not a peep from the local dealer since I contacted them a month ago. I'm am on the wait list for the fancy new driveline parts.

This is a ridiculously long time to 'ground' the bike voluntarily. The thought of the rear locking up at any speed is disconcerting.

I have 'cheated' a bit... and rode it a couple of times around the block to keep the battery up.

I live in a area (not by accident!) that allows year-round riding, Monterey CA area. It was almost 70 deg F a couple of days ago.

Rather than take out my favorite bike, I had to ride a lesser motorcycle in my stable.

That just has to be OK for me to accept, but what about someone that only has one motorcycle?

NO offer to pick up or deliver the bike from my stealership.... it's up to me to do that, and that's damn inconvenient.

Requires me to have my wife follow me on the limping bike in her car to the dealer.

They fix it hopefully, and then 'repeat the process' in reverse with one pissed off wife... certainly not 'Lexus' customer treatment, although the VFR1200 is certainly priced like one!

BLIGHT

Edited January 31, 2016 by BLIGHT
#167

The way I look at it is this: I've put 15k miles on my bike with this being a problem. I've toured across the country and even did a track day on the bike. The notice about the recall doesn't make the failure more likely to happen, so I'm going to keep riding it (or not with the snow on the ground) until I get it fixed... I'm going to let a few others be the Guinna Pig because the new parts don't necessarily equate to 'better' (ergo less driveshaft lash).

#168
lshark

here's a copy of the service bulletin for the recall

[image: attachicon.gif]VFR1200 Propeller Shaft Repair Method.pdf

these are from Honda in Australia

[image: attachicon.gif]SBMC1525-VFR1200 Drive Shaft Recall.pdf

looks like they don't have to drain the final drive oil....you're going to have to pay for a change

Thanks for posting these! Mine was just delivered this evening and these seem to show that the new part number is 06400-MGE-306 which matches my receipt. Wanted to make sure because the guys at the dealership didn't seem to have any difficulty getting the part and didn't seem to know about the "hold-over" part.

I asked if Honda was paying for the delivery fee and they pretty much laughed. It was only $40 but, hey, it wasn't my idea to bring it in.

#169

Dropped in to the local Honda shop in town. Had the service guys run the VIN, it's part of the recall. They ordered parts (10 days lead time) and told me to ride it in in the morning and it will be done by that afternoon. Easy enough. +1 for Apex Sports.

#170

Received my recall letter from Honda UK today....only 2 weeks after having had the 'inspection' by my dealer! Makes me wonder if the inspection report sent to Honda UK by the dealer has prompted them to send the letter (am I being cynical?).

VFR1200F (2010-2015YM) & VFR1200X (2012-2015YM)

The letter explains that there are 2 parts to the recall:

Part one will be an inspection and replacement, if required, with a current specification drive shaft. Part two will be the replacement of the drive shaft with a countermeasure part even if it was replaced during part one of this campaign. You will receive another notification letter when part two is launched.

I have copied this from the letter so that there is no confusion about the Recall details, particularly for the owners who have not had the letter yet.

#171

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#172

Finally got mine replaced, and it does seem less clunky at low speeds. Waiting for the rain to go away.............

#173

Is anyone aware of any changes in the Service Bulletin?

It seems that Honda Benelux is telling the Dealers that application of the 'Punch Mark' after replacement of the shaft is not required anymore.

Reason for this would be that the repair being registered in a database.

I would say that any form of identification on the bike itself would be a very good practice to say the least.


#174

I was told yesterday that when the test is carried out and passes a pinch mark is out on the drive shaft UJ. When the shaft is replaced they put a punch mark on the right hand subframe rail under the seat.

#175
crakerjac

The way I look at it is this: I've put 15k miles on my bike with this being a problem. I've toured across the country and even did a track day on the bike. The notice about the recall doesn't make the failure more likely to happen, so I'm going to keep riding it (or not with the snow on the ground) until I get it fixed... I'm going to let a few others be the Guinna Pig because the new parts don't necessarily equate to 'better' (ergo less driveshaft lash).

15k is nothing for H. I want to do the recall but a little concerned about dealer's abilities and experience with these bikes.

#176

If it's a Honda tech, they've been doing Gold Wing SS Drivelines for years.

#177
RC1237V

Finally got mine replaced, and it does seem less clunky at low speeds. Waiting for the rain to go away.............

I think low speed clunk is more relevant to R/P gear lash than driveshaft

#178

mine is silent now since the recall

#179

I was sent an SMS by Honda Turkey about a month ago about the driveshaft issue. I immediately called my dealer who told me that the parts weren't yet in the country and that I should check with him later. I called him again two days ago and he told me to bring the bike over; as he's very close to my house I took the bike there right away. Two hours later I got a call from him saying that my shaftdrive was going to be replaced and that the parts would take a day to arrive. I'm now waiting for him to call me as the part was supposed to arrive today and the replacement shall be done right away. I'll keep you guys posted...

Edit: I rode my bike around in the traffic and went on a ride yesterday. There's much less clatter from the rear end when ridden in high gear, low rpm situations.

#180

I had my local Honda dealer order the recall kit and schedule a service appointment.

I visited the dealer yesterday, and the new shaft was installed in about two hours.

I now feel more healthy, wealthy, and sexy. And the bike goes twice as fast.

P.S. I was wondering: has anyone ever heard of this universal joint failing? What prompted the recall?

#181
alleyoop

I had my local Honda dealer order the recall kit and schedule a service appointment.

I visited the dealer yesterday, and the new shaft was installed in about two hours.

I now feel more healthy, wealthy, and sexy. And the bike goes twice as fast.

P.S. I was wondering: has anyone ever heard of this universal joint failing? What prompted the recall?

I had only heard of one failure prior to this recall and that bike had a lot of miles on it and had been launched hard and often according to the owner. After the recall I could find a couple more Crosstourer failures but overall pretty rare. There was one VFRD member claiming people(s) had been injured because of drive shaft failures but he never backed up his claims and no one else was aware of this.

#182
alleyoop

I had my local Honda dealer order the recall kit and schedule a service appointment.

I visited the dealer yesterday, and the new shaft was installed in about two hours.

I now feel more healthy, wealthy, and sexy. And the bike goes twice as fast.

P.S. I was wondering: has anyone ever heard of this universal joint failing? What prompted the recall?

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/12/30/manufacturers/honda/2010-2013-honda-vfr1200f-recalled-for-driveshaft-issue/

#183

Interesting. Thank you.

Just a few legitimate reports but certainly enough to confirm a problem and issue a recall.

It must be a challenge for these manufacturers to manage the quality of components (like this universal joint) provided by contracted suppliers. I wonder if they have a contract clause whereby the supplier reimburses for faulty part costs.

#184

My recall is done, and the shop was very fast.

#185

Had my recall work done yesterday. Much less backlash/slop in the drive line.

#186

Mine is currently at the shop and the shaft is done, but I had a leaking fork seal which is now being corrected as well. I was tempted to send them off to Daughtery but don't have the time or a stand currently to take the forks off and leave in the garage for 2-3 weeks while they are getting done and we are in our prime riding season now. Pretty soon it'll be so damn hot I'll choose AC more then 2 wheels.........

#187
alleyoop

P.S. I was wondering: has anyone ever heard of this universal joint failing? What prompted the recall?

Yes. Met a rider on the TT2000 in February (2000 km in 48 hours - choose your own route in New Zealand's South Island) who sold his VFR1200 after his failed. He said he rode quite some distance over a few weeks until the occasional clonking noise annoyed him enough to get it checked out. The cushioning and some metal bits in the rose joint had disintegrated but it still meshed enough to work. He showed me pictures on his phone.

#188
MotardMenace

Mine is currently at the shop and the shaft is done, but I had a leaking fork seal which is now being corrected as well. I was tempted to send them off to Daughtery but don't have the time or a stand currently to take the forks off and leave in the garage for 2-3 weeks while they are getting done and we are in our prime riding season now. Pretty soon it'll be so damn hot I'll choose AC more then 2 wheels.........

That's funny, mine is also in the shop right now getting the recall done, as well as fixing a leaking fork seal.

#189

Not to derail this thread but you guys having your fork seals replaced should do some searching online about how to clean your seals without taking anything apart. More often than not the seal is fine, just dirty. One of my seals was leaking a few weeks ago as well. Spent 10 minutes cleaning it and leak gone. Not the first time this has worked for me.

#190
swimmer

Not to derail this thread but you guys having your fork seals replaced should do some searching online about how to clean your seals without taking anything apart. More often than not the seal is fine, just dirty. One of my seals was leaking a few weeks ago as well. Spent 10 minutes cleaning it and leak gone. Not the first time this has worked for me.

Good to know. I have only owned the bike for about 3 months now and 1900 miles. It has just over 11,000 and a leaking fork seal is not an uncommon Honda problem from my personal experience. I have had a couple leaking seals on an ST. Thanks for the information, next time I will make sure to check but mine was leaking pretty bad, I would be surprised if it was from being dirty. Enough that it toasted the left side brake pads..........Literally cleaned it up to get to dealer 15 miles away and it was saturated by the time I got there and here in Az we don't usually have many issues with stuff when street riding. Fairly clean with the exceptions of some dust I guess........

#192

I have a 2012 Honda VFR 1200 XD DCT and my transmission makes a knocking noise at low RPM. Is this a normal sound? Can someone with a DCT transmission  test?  lift the motorcycle on the center stand and place it in D. As the rear wheel starts turning you will hear knocking sounds coming from the transmission. IS this normal? Here is my audio recording;

#193

Yikes.  That does not sound "normal", though I haven't replicated your test.  There is driveline lash, but that sounds excessive.  Have you had the recall done yet?

#194
4 hours ago, HondaEd

I have a 2012 Honda VFR 1200 XD DCT and my transmission makes a knocking noise at low RPM. Is this a normal sound? Can someone with a DCT transmission  test?  lift the motorcycle on the center stand and place it in D. As the rear wheel starts turning you will hear knocking sounds coming from the transmission. IS this normal? Here is my audio recording;

Seems normal to me for an unloaded rear wheel. 

#195

Very normal for this bike on a center stand - as Swimmer posted.

#196

+2

I did the same thing before and after the recall was performed, and to be honest, I can't tell much of a difference on the center stand.  On the road, at parking lot speeds, the difference is quite noticeable.

#197

Since getting mine back it does seem a shade quieter but to be honest I didn't have enough saddle time yet to notice much difference I guess. That said she runs silky smooth like a Honda should. The more I ride this bike, the more I wonder if I will be able to keep my license though.................

#198

I have just done my recall  work, but yet to ride and confirm any noticeable difference.

First of all, the reason for the recall.

This is because they discovered that the UJ at the front of the shaft can have a problem. In the production process, the main/outer body of the UJ is staked over the bearings which keeps the entire assembly together. But the staking (pressing the metal over to fix the bearings in) pressure was too high and crushing the needle bearings too tightly, causing a high risk of failure.

What they did.

The recall was issued and bikes checked. Any that had a suspect UJ had a new drive shaft assembly - just the same part.

Meanwhile they were redesigning the part and production process, with lower staking pressure to prevent bearing damage and also for good measure, slightly larger bearings. As these 'countermeasure' parts became available, bikes were to be checked again and suspect shafts replaced (with the countermeasure part). But bikes that showed no problem were NOT to have the new shaft.

Then finally when the countermeasure parts were in good supply in sufficient quantities, ALL bikes that had not yet been fitted with the countermeasure part will have that done, no question.

Personally, I can't see how Honda could have handled it any better. It's unfortunate that they had the problem, but FFS there's a lot of parts involved and Honda's technical prowess and manufacturing abilities ensure such recalls are VERY rare.

The downside for me is that I had a spare driveshaft which I thought would be handy to have, long term. But this recall now makes it junk, worthless. There's no way I can get it swapped as it's not in a bike and recalls are done by the VIN. So I'm stuffed there.

However, I took it in to the dealer for him to check. There was NO play in the UJ. In fact it seemed almost too new, still being slightly stiff. Aha said the dealer tech. This is already on the way out. The test for failure is either slack in the UJ or excessive stiffness and that really means any stiffness. So it's actually pretty easy to check, although no longer necessary as it'll get replaced anyway. But in this case, stiffness was irrelevant as the main UJ body was in fact cracked. Yes, an actual hairline crack running across and so in danger of flying to pieces under load. Phew, at least that was never in my bike.

I soon received the countermeasure replacement and I can confirm that the new part looks identical, so no obvious way to tell the difference. There probably is a way, but it's not obvious.

I was keen to remove my original as I was sure there would be a lot of slack in the UJ because the bike is dreadful at low speed on a neutral throttle. If under even very slight acceleration or on the overrun, no problem, but as soon as there is no actual drive, it rattles like a bastard. Must be a failing UJ I've been telling myself while awaiting the replacement. But no, the old shaft has no slack whatsoever. The backlash is actually all within the gearbox. If I rotated the output shaft (onto which the shaft/UJ fits) back and forth by hand, the loud clunking seems to emanate from the clutch area. As if the entire basket is loose. I doubt that it is though, it's just normal backlash in a gearbox. All bikes have it.

So why is my bike so bad? On further examination of the original UJ, it is not stiff as much as notchy, like badly pitted and worn steering head bearings. What I'm surmising from this is that when under even slight load, this notchyness wouldn't be noticeable, but on a neutral throttle with no actual drive though the shaft, it will manifest itself as rapid fluctuations in speed of the shaft and gearbox, causing the gearbox to rattle more than if the UJ were completely and uniformly smooth.

Well that's my theory, but not had a chance to check it out. It is however interesting to read here that several owners say their bike is smoother after the recall, which backs up my theory. Some other things to do first, but then I'll be finding out if there's any improvement.

If replacing the shaft yourself, some advice. Follow the procedure in the manual. This states that the shaft should be fixed onto the final drive unit (so the snap ring has snapped into place) and then insert that whole assembly into the bike. However this means holding the final drive unit with one hand while trying to push aside the rubber boot and feed the UJ onto the gearbox output shaft, while holding the snap ring at this end open with a pair of circlip pliers. Well if you've been counting, that's 3 hands at least, not to mention the impossibility of holding the final drive unit up with one hand. Man, it's heavy.

So I took the obvious alternative method of installing the drive shaft shaft into the swingarm and onto the gearbox shaft first, then pushing the final drive unit onto the CV  joint output spline and finally onto the swingarm studs and avoid having to manhandle the final drive unit and shaft together as one assembly. Ha... I thought.

Don't bother even trying.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to push the final drive unit onto the shaft spline. Even with plenty of good grease, it simply won't go on and just pushes the shaft into the swingarm instead. There is no way to hold the CV joint to stop it all disappearing into the S/A as soon as you try to push on the final drive unit. If only they'd put a small step in the CV joint or shaft to hold it while pushing on the final drive unit...

But they didn't. So after pulling it all out again, if fitted the shaft into the final drive unit and then installed it all together as one assembly. A box, or something similar onto which the final drive unit could rest approximately in position, while working on getting the UJ onto the gearbox output shaft is I'd say essential, but then it wasn't actually as bad as I expected. The rest is a piece of cake anyway, so overall it's not a particularly hard job - if you follow the manual :wink:

Well, it all helps to pass the time while it rains outside  :sad:

#199

I have been meaning to sit down and write this, but time has eluded me thus far.  I just want to add my 2 cents into this thread as a huge PSA.  I didn't read the whole thread so someone else may have found the same thing. 

The PSA is to not mess around getting this recall done and do so ASAP.  Here is why I say that:

I took off last July on an annual trip to TN, NC, GA to ride in the Smokys.  About an hour into the trip, a vibration began and came and went for much of the trip, most of the time being present, but would lessen and worsen in intensity throughout.  I put a new set of tires on a day before leaving, so I attributed the vibration to perhaps a bad tire as all else seemed well.  I could never pinpoint where the vibration was coming from, front or back.  The bars shook but I could feel it in the seat as well which indicates it could be in the rear of the bike.  I put the bike up on stands when I got home and checked for excessive runout on the tires, both were ok.  I used DynaBeads for balancing so I was confident that a tire balance issue didn't exist.  I concluded that I wouldn't worry about it until this pair of tires was worn out and new ones were put on.

Once I received the recall notice, a light bulb popped on in the ol' noggin.  "Ah, THIS is probably what that vibration is!" I said to myself.  I scheduled the install after waiting a month and a half to get the parts in.  When I picked the bike up, I asked how things looked and explained what I had experienced with this vibration.  They said nothing was "falling apart" so it was unclear if the issue would be related.  In the first 500 feet of riding away from the dealership it was clear that this WAS the cause of the vibration.  The bike was once again smooth as glass. This means I was riding hard on mountain roads for a week while being on the interstates for close to 900 miles going to and from home with a driveshaft that could have locked up!  Not to mention all the miles I put on between then and March of this year.

Obviously all is well and nothing happened, but scary to me anyway.  If you haven't gotten this recall completed yet, please take care of this ASAP!

Be safe!

#200

Mine was replaced yesterday and is as smooth as a smooth thing. Then again it was before they put the new shaft in  :491:

And having ridden around on an NC750X for the day while they did it I'm reminded of just how awesome the 1200 is  :goofy:  

#201
RoystonRocket2, ‎6‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 2:10 PM

Mine was replaced yesterday and is as smooth as a smooth thing. Then again it was before they put the new shaft in  :491:

And having ridden around on an NC750X for the day while they did it I'm reminded of just how awesome the 1200 is  :goofy:  

I wondered whether you had as I got back from Paris to find the "Phase Two" recall notice in my mail.

NC750? Was that all they had? :schla15:

#202

i think they could get in some trouble for selling a vehicle with an outstanding recall

#203

Bringing mine in tomorrow! Hope it doesn't take too long...

- Dan

#204

Mine went in at 09:00am. Picked it up at 03:30pm same day.

Luuuuuuvly

#205

Recall done, no real issues, seems a little less "clunky" sounding Anyone else notice anything different with the bike?

#206

I just bought mine 4 weeks ago with the recall already performed, and I haven't noticed anything of note whatsoever from the driveshaft in my 1000+kms. And while I dont have experience with the 1200 prior to the recall, I have many miles on my ST1300 shaft drive with which to compare problems/irregularities 

#207

Hi all,

I'm new on the forum and i just saw this topic.

I was looking under the seat and saw a small red dot on the right side. I just wanna confirm that this means the problem was solved.

Thank you

#208

Well here we are in late '18 and I'm buying one of these bikes, VIN showing up as "open recall" and in the effected SN range.   

Is Honda still issuing these parts?  I do have a good relationship with my Dealer and would expect they'll be helpful.   

#209
4 hours ago, UpArrrow

Well here we are in late '18 and I'm buying one of these bikes, VIN showing up as "open recall" and in the effected SN range.   

Is Honda still issuing these parts?  I do have a good relationship with my Dealer and would expect they'll be helpful.   

I guess you'll need to check with your local dealer to confirm. Best of luck.

#210

The Vfr 1200 F is discontinued since 2016.

There is no newer model year so it should be a leftover unit. There's no big deal applying the recall prior or after the delivery even if the bike has the "old" part on it. It's not gonna fail instantly. Just enjoy the bike!

#211
1 hour ago, vfr1200f

The Vfr 1200 F is discontinued since 2016.

There is no newer model year so it should be a leftover unit. There's no big deal applying the recall prior or after the delivery even if the bike has the "old" part on it. It's not gonna fail instantly...

Well I don't want to be a scaremonger, but "instantly" is exactly how it can fail and why Honda went to the trouble of the recall. 

Initially the Universal Joint is simply stiff due to the assembly process leaving the bearings too tight. So what you might then think is that it will simply wear out faster, but what Honda are concerned about is that the UJ will crack and break apart and that means instant and possibly catastrophic failure. They had I believe experienced 2 total failures like this prior to issuing the recall, although no injuries have been caused (to the best of my knowledge).

Part of the process was to have each bike checked immediately to detect any imminent failures and if new parts were not immediately available, they would have to remain off-road until the part (shaft assembly) could be replaced. In fact I seem to recall in these cases a new 'old' type part (checked before fitment to ensure it was not too tight) would be installed to keep the bike going until the 'new' part was available and could be installed. Expensive for Honda, but when it comes to safety, they don't mess about.

The above is not simply heresay. I have seen a drive shaft (my own, although not on my actual bike) where the UJ bearing mounts/retainers are badly cracked and likely to fail imminently if used. This was taken from a bike dismantled for entirely other reasons, not related to the shaft. I bought the back end and when the recall was announced some time later I had a look at my spare shaft and was horrified how bad it was. My actual bike was not that bad and the UJ simply stiff and 'notchy'.

If I still had the 'old' part on the bike and there were no untoward symptoms, would I have continued to use the bike? Possibly, for a short while until the replacement part was available. But that would be my decision and in no way a recommendation for others to employ the same course of action. This is a potentially very serious problem and should be taken seriously. I don't think it is possible for Honda to deny supplying 'New' parts to any bike not yet fixed. That's part of what an official recall means. It is a legal as well as technical process. So there should be no issue getting parts.

The replacement is a bit fiddly, but not hard and then you have a brand new drive shaft that should last the life of the bike.

#212

I did call my local Dealer and fed them the VIN and they confirmed the bike is eligible for the recall.   Here she is BTW.  Will be here in about 3 weeks.

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#213

Although I didn’t have any symptoms with my driveshaft, I had it done as soon as the replacements were available and have had continuous good rides.  Happy trails.

#214
BiKenG, 12/5/2018 at 10:40 PM

Well I don't want to be a scaremonger, but "instantly" is exactly how it can fail...

.....

In fact I seem to recall in these cases a new 'old' type part (checked before fitment to ensure it was not too tight) would be installed to keep the bike going until the 'new' part was available and could be installed.

He already HAS that new "old" part on the bike. The bike may be used as I immagine the dealer does a delivery pre-check anyway and the inspection of the drive shaft would be one the checkpoints for them considering the issued recall... in a perfect world...

#215
8 hours ago, UpArrrow

I did call my local Dealer and fed them the VIN and they confirmed the bike is eligible for the recall.   Here she is BTW.  Will be here in about 3 weeks.

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Great looking bike... looks like new 😛 ... i'm just teasing ya'.

Also, i noticed it's a DCT.

Enjoy!

#216
1 hour ago, vfr1200f

He already HAS that new "old" part on the bike....

Really, I must have missed that. In fact, I still cannot find any mention by the OP of that having been done.

#217
8 hours ago, BiKenG

Really, I must have missed that. In fact, I still cannot find any mention by the OP of that having been done.

If it wasn't mentioned, I apologise. The work was completed a long time ago.

#218
10 hours ago, vfr1200f

Great looking bike... looks like new 😛 ... i'm just teasing ya'.

Also, i noticed it's a DCT.

Enjoy!

My 18 Wing has DCT, I only ride it in manual mode and enjoy it in sport mode.  I plan to do the same with this one.    I'm short & round-ish with knee flexibility issues at 55 years old.  With marginal reach to the ground,  I figured not having to work the clutch pedal at start & stop would probably save me an embarrassing drop several times over.  And once one is accustomed to manually flicking the fore/aft triggers the DCT is quite enjoyable to use.   

#219
BiKenG, 5/18/2016 at 3:35 PM

If replacing the shaft yourself, some advice. Follow the procedure in the manual. This states that the shaft should be fixed onto the final drive unit (so the snap ring has snapped into place) and then insert that whole assembly into the bike. However this means holding the final drive unit with one hand while trying to push aside the rubber boot and feed the UJ onto the gearbox output shaft, while holding the snap ring at this end open with a pair of circlip pliers. Well if you've been counting, that's 3 hands at least, not to mention the impossibility of holding the final drive unit up with one hand. Man, it's heavy.

So I took the obvious alternative method of installing the drive shaft shaft into the swingarm and onto the gearbox shaft first, then pushing the final drive unit onto the CV  joint output spline and finally onto the swingarm studs and avoid having to manhandle the final drive unit and shaft together as one assembly. Ha... I thought.

Don't bother even trying.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to push the final drive unit onto the shaft spline. Even with plenty of good grease, it simply won't go on and just pushes the shaft into the swingarm instead. There is no way to hold the CV joint to stop it all disappearing into the S/A as soon as you try to push on the final drive unit. If only they'd put a small step in the CV joint or shaft to hold it while pushing on the final drive unit...

But they didn't. So after pulling it all out again, if fitted the shaft into the final drive unit and then installed it all together as one assembly. A box, or something similar onto which the final drive unit could rest approximately in position, while working on getting the UJ onto the gearbox output shaft is I'd say essential, but then it wasn't actually as bad as I expected. The rest is a piece of cake anyway, so overall it's not a particularly hard job - if you follow the manual :wink:

Well, it all helps to pass the time while it rains outside  :sad:

So, although I've supposedly had the new shaft fitted by a local dealer, I can't find any punch marks on the subframe, or below the first digit of the frame number, so I'm curious as to what has actually been done.

Also, ever since the work was carried out, my rear brake calliper carrier has been pretty much touching the brake rotor and  although the bike runs great, I have no confidence in the rear brake, as the odd time I've used it, it's ended up binding due to heat and expansion.  (See photo of just how close the clearance is on my rear hub - it's as though the disc carrier is seated too far into the FD).

So, I'm replacing the final drive with a different one, where the calliper carrier is in the correct position.  Which brings me to the nub of my post:

When removing the final drive/shaft, how the heck do you remove the shaft from the FD pinion gear??  I've followed the manual, turn slowly while gently pulling on the CV joint, but it's not budging.  How much force does one need to put in to separate the two??

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#220

Only just seen this. It's a while since I did this work, but checking the parts list again shows that as I recall, there is a spring circlip on the end of the shaft as it pushes into the FDU. So to pull the shaft out requires pulling hard enough to overcome the circlip trying to stay seated in its groove. I don't now remember how hard it was, but I'm thinking it will be a fair old tug. That's why trying to push the FDU back onto the installed shaft is basically impossible as the shaft telescopes shorter rather than the circlip allowing the shaft to slide into the FDU. So you need to fit the shaft to the FDU, then install that assembly into the S/A. To have 3 hands would help with that.

Regarding the rear brake binding, I do recall the carrier being very close to the rotor, but as long as it's not actually touching, that's ok. I cannot imagine how it could be assembled with the carrier in the wrong place. Also if the binding occurs after braking, that would suggest it's a problem with the caliper.

Mind you, if yours is DCT, there's 2 calipers and I've never worked on a DCT.

You may of course have sorted it by now, in which case, what was found to be the trouble?

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