To prevent any confusion I have deleted my initial thread on Wilburs and started a new one for a shock group buy.
Well before anybody tells me to make up my mind about which shock we should do a group buy with, I have to say I really wasn't expecting I would be recommending we go with Elka, especially after the good response from Wilburs, well maybe I should tell the whole story.
This afternoon I decided to give Elka a call just to see if they had anything to offer, seeing as they are made here in Canada I thought it was worth the try. I wasn't really looking to ask about a group buy, I was just interested looking into there product line, the response I got was really awesome, John from Elka asked me if I would consider organizing a group buy through Vlad at Motorworldonline.com (whom we did the pazzo buy with), not the other way around.
Apparently there has been a reasonable amount of requests for 5th gen and 6th gen shocks that they feel it's time to put some serious thought into a design for our bikes, so not only are they interested in putting a buy together for us, they would like to here our input into a design and then make the first run of shocks for us.
I don't have any hard numbers just yet, as they have not decided which style of shock they are going to start making for us, but if they were to say go with a 2 way with remote reservoir it would be approx. $700 US, there is even the possibility of a piggyback reservoir style shock for the VFR, which would be a first (that would be my desire for a new shock design).
Now John told me that with Vlads help, he was sure that Elka would be very competitive price wise with a top notch product. Johns enthusiasm was very infectious, I was very impressed and don't be surprised if John or someone else from Elka shows up on this thread to ask us questions or answer any of our questions about product.
So boys, what do you think, personally I'm kind of excited about the idea of being involved from the ground floor of a product for my bike, and being offered good pricing to boot.
Hello everyone. First of all I would like to thank everyone who participated in my previous group buys and everyone who actually purchased something directly from my website. My goal is to offer 110% customer service while selling all my merchandise at the lowest possible price. I perfectly understand that most people live from check to check and have families. That is why I do my best to offer top of the line merchandise and bargain prices.
So I am back and as always with an awesome deal. But before I go in details about this deal let me give you a little background info and history. I have just completed a Elka Group Buy for Triumph Daytona 675 and it was an incredible success. Everyone who participated is elated about the features, fit and finish of Elka shock but even more everyone was pretty much singing accolades about Elka's customer service (as well as yours truly). Please read it here
Triumph 675 Elka Group BuyFor anyone who is not acquainted with Elka Suspension I could say the following. Elka is extremely well know in ATV/Quad and Off-Road world and they make one of the best shocks anywhere. Elka is a Canadian company and are very big in Canada. They are synonymous with ATV/Quads and Off-Road bikes and are extremely well made shocks. Now Elka is aggressively pursuing its entry into On-road world. This year they have developed or developing and very close to completion shocks for some of the more popular bikes. As this is VFR forum I would like to offer you guys what I consider is a killer deal. I spoke with John who is my Elka rep and we discussed which bikes that they still don't have covered might benefit from their shocks. We came up with VFR. Due to an extreme popularity and multifaceted use possibilities of VFR it will be a spot on candidate for such upgrade.
Some of you may ask why Elka and not Penske or Ohlins. Well the answer is pretty simple. The later two are great shocks but a made as one size fits all. The only custom part on those two is a spring that is setup to your weight. Unless you are a racer with a good budget you cannot get those two brands custom setup to your style of riding (read custom valving). Elka builds every shock based on the customer specs that are obviously will be reflected and you will be allowed to make custom selections to suit this great shock to your riding style
Elka shocks come in two Main flavors with 2 or 3 way adjusters. Also a new option which is available for either shocks is Hydraulic adjustments.
In order to get this deal I must have at least 10 but preferably 15 takers. Guys please understand this is one time deal for introduction of these great shocks
Elka 2 way adjustable shock - List price $795. Forum Group Buy Price is $650 shipped to anywhere in the USA and even Canada (will drop ship). If you want this shock with Hydraulic adjustment then you will have to add $165 for the total of $815
If you would like to get 3 way adjustable shock list price $895 then your group buy price is $735 shipped to your door. 3 way adjustable with hydraulic adjustment is $900 shipped.
This is your summary Elka 2 way adjustable w/reg adjustment - List Price $795: Group Buy $650
Elka 2 way adjustable w/Hydro adjustment - List Price $995: Group Buy $815
Elka 3 way adjustable w/reg adjustment - List Price $895: Group Buy $735
Elka 3 way adjustable w/Hydro adjustment - List Price $1095: Group Buy $900
All Prices include shipping anywhere in the USA and Canada.Almost forgot an additional bonus. If anyone who decides to purchase Elka also will buy Pazzo levers at the same time I will knock off an additional $10 off (basically you will have Pazzo group buy price that is no longer available anywhere). An additional benefit is that shipping of Pazzo levers to Canada will only be $10 and FREE in USA. One more thing. If there will be anyone from outside USA and Canada please contact me for payment requirements. I
If you want to be on the list please copy and paste the list into your post and add your name
1. Radar (3 clicker - ???)
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and so on
Veefer Madness, Aug 25 2007, 10:57 AMwhat does hydraulic adjust? fing02.gif
Veefer,
Hydraulic adjuster allows you to adjust preload just by turning the knob instead of using the wrench. On some bike its close to impossible to get to adustment rings so Hydraulic adjuster makes it extremely simple and convenient.
Now in regards to the picture of the shock. I am not sure if the shock will have PiggyBack or Remote reservoir. Its up to engineers and designers to deside.
It looks like we are going in the right direction. Come guys and sign up. This is superb product
Thanks
Vlad
Ladies & Gentlemen,
My name is John, and I am Vlads contact with Elka suspension. I would like to first of all thank you for interest in our products, and placing your order through Vlad for the shock. Vlad has been a valuable partner for Elka suspension and am confident that you are all very well served by him for all your purchases and upgrades for your VFR.
Radar encouraged me to log on following our telephone conversation to provide any technical information concerning our products. I hope I am not breaking any forum rules by doing this, but I am not here to sell anything, as that is Vlads job, but rather just to get you up to speed with the development progress of the shock for your VFR.
So, on to the development...There are some technical issues designing a piggyback reservoir, for the simple reason that there is a lack of room to fit a piggyback head. The shock we develop will have to be a remote reservoir shock, but we can definitely do a hydraulic preload shock which will allow you to make adjustments to your spring without having to get under your bike to adjust a preload ring. It will be available as a double or triple clicker (whatever your heart desires), and sprung and valved to your specifications.
Also, at this time we will be looking into developing the 2002 - 2007 VFR rear shock, as this model has generated the most demand at this juncture. If you folks feel that there is demand for the prior models, please let me know. I will have to make some arrangements to get our hands on an early generation VFR to do some R&D with. If I am making an error in the production years, please let me know. You are the VFR experts after all !!!
Any questions that have anything to do with the purchase of the shock must be directed to Vlad. If you have any technical questions that Vlad cannot answer for you, you are welcome to either PM me, or reach me at jilkiw@elkasuspension.com. It will be my absolute pleasure to answer any questions you may have.
Thank you once again for your interest in our products.
Regards,
John Ilkiw
Elka Suspension
radar, Aug 27 2007, 07:54 AMI'm not suprised that your not going to be doing a piggy back system John, but you will need to get your R&D to look at the 5th gen bike, especailly since that's what I ride, a 2001 VFR, and I really want one of your shocks.
Radar, here is what I propose:
It has come to my attention that there may be enough demand to develop a 5th generation shock for your VFR's, so I am coming to you folks to provide Elka with a little help. In order to develop the 5th gen, we will need a volunteer to have us at Elka use your bike for R&D purposes. (No need to worry, your VFR will not be ridden around the shop by all the staff). I am looking for a volunteer in the Montreal, Quebec, Canada region to be a willing participant to help us get this done. For more information, please contact me via PM or e-mail.
If there is enough demand, we can definately develop it.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Beck, Aug 28 2007, 10:17 PMYou'll have to add one more guy cause I guess I'm not in the group buy if Elka decides to ignore us 4th genners. We could use a good affordable shock too! I thought I finally found it with Elka. Damn this bums me out in a major way! sad.gif
Beck
95 VFR
Beck,
Elka would like nothing more than to satisfy every single person that needs a good suspension for their VFR, you included. The issue remains demand. I have no doubt that there are probably enough owners here of up to 3 or 4 generations of the VFR, but we need to have concrete demand for the shock to do the R&D to develop it.
If you fine folks can create enough demand for every single generation, than we will find some way to build it. I will have to work hard to get a model of each here at the shop for R&D, but it is not impossible. I wish it was as easy as saying " build it and they will come", but unfortunately we have approached it this way in the past, with very little success.
Can someone provide me with a breakdown in VFR generations and what years they cover?
Thank you.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
radar, Aug 29 2007, 07:15 AMJohn we appreciate what you are doing in with R&D for the 6th and 5th gen, but I'd hate to see Beck left out of this, how many 4th gen bikes do you need to sign up here to also include the 4th gen bikes.
I would hate to see him left out as well. Ideally, I would need to get 10 orders of each generation if the shock configuration is diffrerent from one generation to the other in order to develop it.
Note #1: for those who have added their names to the list for the group buy, please provide which generation it is that you have so I can track demand as we move forward. Thank you.
Note #2: I will clarify high and low speed compression for those who need:
Low and high speed does not refer to the way the shock reacts during high speed riding or low speed riding. It refers to the speed that the
shaft travels in different situations out on the road. High speed compression caters to your typical bump in the road. It caters to high velocity forces that are initiated upon impacts, like riding over roadkill... 491.gif , or any bump in the road . With the high speed compression knob, you are able to add more compression to stiffen the ride, which is good for nice smooth paved roads where compression is barely an issue, or soften it to cater to roads that are bumpy.
Low speed compression caters to low speed shaft movement such as dips or undulations in the pavement, as well as high speed cornering. As you are cornering at high speeds, there is alot of weight transfer from the inirtia that will want to crush the suspension in the apex, which can cause wobbling exiting the curve from the rebound. The low speed prevents that from happening. The riders who will benefit from low speed compression and guys that are racing or doing track days.
With this being said, If you are a recreational/ touring rider, then the 2 way is fine for you. If you are an aggressive canyon rider, who enjoys the occasional track day, consider getting the 3 way for added control.
I certainly hope this helps clarify some questions to which is the better suspension for you.
John
Elka Suspension
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Kerwinbritton 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
3. Veefer Madness 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
4. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
5. Sondance - 2002 VFR 6 gen (2 click w/hydraulic adjust) Pazzos.
6. Beck - VFR 5th gen (3 Clicker) with height adjustment??...pleeeaassee!.
7. ScaryGary (5th Gen) Not sure which unit yet... but want remote preload adjust
8.Toro 9 - (5th Gen) ???
10.Combinepilot - (5th Gen) ??
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6th Gen (2002-2007 VFR 800) Shocks are same for all listed below (Honda Part number 52400-MCW-D01)
Honda 2002 INTERCEPTOR VFR800 REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2003 INTERCEPTOR VFR800 REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2004 INTERCEPTOR VFR800 REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2005 INTERCEPTOR VFR800 REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2002 INTERCEPTOR ABS VFR800A REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2003 INTERCEPTOR ABS VFR800A REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2004 INTERCEPTOR ABS VFR800A REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2005 INTERCEPTOR ABS VFR800A REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
5th Gen (1998-2001 VFR 800) Shocks are same for all listed below (Honda Part number 52400-MBG-003)
Honda 1998 INTERCEPTOR VFR800FI REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 1999 INTERCEPTOR VFR800FI REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2000 INTERCEPTOR VFR800FI REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
Honda 2001 INTERCEPTOR VFR800FI REAR_SHOCK_ABSORBER
4th Gen (1990-1997 VFR 750) Shocks are same for listed models
(Honda Part number 52400-MT4-671 for 1990-1991,
Honda Part number 52400-MY7-672 for 1992-1993,
Honda Part number 52400-MZ7-003 for 1994-1997)
Now someone who might have done the conversion might be able to tell us if these shocks are interchangeble with some small easy to complete mod.
toro1, Aug 30 2007, 04:47 AMThese shocks do come with a spanner wrench if regular preload adjustment is ordered, right??
Absolutely...however the shock will be difficult to access to adjust it manually, and that is why hydraulic preload is the more popular choice, especially if you sometimes ride with a passenger. You can easily make adjustment to your preload to cater to the extra weight.
John
Elka Suspension
Update...
Ok folks, as I write this, we are in the process of sending our Elka truck to pick up a 6th gen VFR from our local dealer to begin the R&D. We will have the bike here for 1 week to get this done, and once we have developed it, it will be tested and then parts will be ordered for production for your orders. We still need to get a couple more orders for Vlad to officially be able to offer the deal on the group buy, but I am confident that the 6th gen will not be an issue. fing02.gif
Now, on to the 5th gen. We may have found a volunteer locally to lend us his VFR for 1 week for R&D, but we will not go through with it until we get enough demand. I encourage you folks to try and spread the word, possibly on other VFR or general Honda forums that you visit to get the numbers that we need to do this. I will not be able to convince management or our engineers to develop it without finding sufficient takers for the shock. I desperately want this project to work, and I am sure that you folks are as eager or more so than I to have one available.
Lets get this going. warranty.gif
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Sorry guys I been away for a long weekend. I am back now. I see that Darth Bling split up takers into two group. Thank you very much.
John from Elka as always on top of his stuff and keeps you guys updated and educated fing02.gif
I am also sad to hear that Sondance - Rob crashed. It sucks but looking on the plus side he is alive and will surely get better. Bike is replaceble life is not. Just be safe and attentive out there.
So here are 2 lists as they stand now
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Beck - VFR 5th gen (3 Clicker) with height adjustment??...pleeeaassee!.
3. ScaryGary (5th Gen) Not sure which unit yet... but want remote preload adjust
4. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment
5. Combinepilot - (5th Gen) ??
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6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Veefer Madness 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)
7. vfrman02-2002 VFR 6th gen- (2 click w/hydraulic adjust
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We are almost there with 6th Generation and need a little more work with 5th Generation. Guys I can 100% guarantee that it would be one of the best purchases that you ever made for your bike.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask
ibAdam, Sep 5 2007, 10:32 AMI'm sure there is not a set mileage as a lot of variables factor into wear. But how many miles would you guess an Elka shock would last before a rebuild is needed? And how much will a rebuild done by Elka cost?
For regular street use, every 2.5 to 3 yrs. would be an appropriate service schedule. As for cost, a basic service which would include oil change, changing all seals and warebands, dyno and valving test, would cost approximately $130 US.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
VIPERon, Sep 5 2007, 01:49 PMJohn...it seems like we've stalled a bit on getting anymore takers, so at what point will you have to make a business decision to walk away from this and move on time-wise...another month or so? Or will you still develop the shock anyway, but it means we lose out on the group buy? I hate to ask but I think it needs to be clarified. Ron
Ron,
I am nowhere near pushing the panic button just yet, as the Daytona 675 group buy that Vlad refers to lasted quite a while before we had enough takers.
In my experience, most people sign up to buy that last few days of the offer, but Vlad had set a 3 week period for this to happen. On Elka's end, we have contacted past potential customers inquiring into the VFR shock and have directed them to this forum.
The 6th gen is a done deal as far as development, but I am afraid to say that if we do not get the numbers for the 5th gen, we will not move forward with the R&D. Our parts suppliers require a minimum order of 25 pieces of each component to ship. All we are asking for is for 10 from you folks.
Yes it is a significant investment to make on a mod for your VFR, but trust me, people spend up to $2500 for Elka suspension for their quads, and swear never to go back to anything but Elka. I am convinced that you will experience the same.
I guarantee it.
John
Elka Suspension
TommyHoffman, Sep 6 2007, 08:34 AMOK the temptation is getting to me.
I will need a 5th gen Version. 2 cliker with the remote preload.
Is the shock built to the genericly for the bike or will the spring rate and dampening be "set" at the factory based on Riding style and rider weight. George aka Silver??? is going to need something with a much different spring than I need.
I say this understaning that the balance of the front and rear suspension is vital to the over all performance and the engineers at Elka may be good, but they can only do so much. which is my biggest concern, I will not hav ethe cash to do both ends of the bike right away, so will one end effect the other. Or will i be able to get away with a rather simple front end mod to accomodate the new rear shock.
Yes, Elka said they will customize each shock to our individual weights and riding styles. fing02.gif
As far as suspension balancing is concerned, IMHO unless you're pushing it hard -- really hard -- having the front and rear unbalanced shouldn't be much of a problem. It can be significant problem on the track or rough roads were traction and suspension performance are paramount. But for cruising around town and the occasional blast up into the twisties, you should be fine. Yes, it's true you want to keep the bike's suspension balance between the front and rear, but (in the words of enzedviffer) your not going to crash, die, caught on fire, and then die all over again.
What I found with the RC51 front end was that on the track, I could feel the rear shock struggling to keep up with the front. It's hard to explain, but the rear suspension just felt slow compared to the front. The front end easily outperformed the rear. On the hand, out on the open road I don't even notice it the difference.
So, I wouldn't worry about it too much. But, if it is a major concern for you, go check out the Racetech group buy and get yourself a set of springs for the forks. If I remember correctly, it's only $85 or something.
combine pilot, Sep 7 2007, 08:44 AMCan't figure out the quote thing put me in for a 2 way with remote.
Just got my bonus cheque!
All you need to do is click the Reply button under the post you want to quote. fing02.gif
I've added your info to the list below and removed Beck from the 5th gen list.
4th Generation
1. Beck - VFR 4th gen (3 Clicker) with height adjustment
(Need 9 more 4th gens)
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. ScaryGary (5th Gen) Not sure which unit yet... but want remote preload adjust
3. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment
4. Combine pilot - 2001 5th Gen - 2 way with remote
5. Seamus - 98 VFR - 3 way, regular (wife talked me into it )
6. bear22099 - 99 VFR - 2 way regular
7. Terrol 145 - '99 VFR - 3-Way with Hydraulic and Pazzos
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6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Veefer Madness 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)
7. vfrman02-2002 VFR 6th gen- 2 click w/hydraulic adjust
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Gentlemen,
I just thought I would update you guys on the events here at the shop.
For the 6th gen, we are still in the design phase of the shock, and are running into some challenges as to the location of the resevoir. It looks like the hydraulic device will be placed where the original device is, so that is not a problem, but the resevoir itself is not so simple.
As much as it a challenge to determine resevoir placement, hose routing is also a challenge without having to completely take the bike apart ( which will have to be done anyways to take of the stocker).
As for the 5th gen...well, it looks like we have booked one for R&D, so I believe it has gotten the green light. fing02.gif
...and yours truly will have the honour of riding it around ( both gens) to do some testing and supply the engineers feeback to the performance of it...man, I can't wait...what a beautiful machine. I am officially jealous of all of you. pissed.gif
regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Trooper, Sep 7 2007, 09:13 AMGentlemen,
I just thought I would update you guys on the events here at the shop.
For the 6th gen, we are still in the design phase of the shock, and are running into some challenges as to the location of the resevoir. It looks like the hydraulic device will be placed where the original device is, so that is not a problem, but the resevoir itself is not so simple.
so.....any ideas? unsure.gif
As much as it a challenge to determine resevoir placement, hose routing is also a challenge without having to completely take the bike apart ( which will have to be done anyways to take of the stocker).
There's an empty spot on the other side of the bike opposite the battery. A remote reservor should fit there no problem. They only problem I could see is this spot could be where the ABS plumbing goes on the "A" models. unsure.gif
Is the 6th gen you're getting for R&D an ABS version? I'm guessing it is since you talked about placing the hydraulic adjuster in the same place as the original. The non-ABS version doesn't have the remote preload adjustor.
Wow been away for 2 days and lots of happening. I am glad to see that John (Elka) got Ok from higher ups to go ahead with 5th Gen.
Someone had a question about front end. I would say taht Racetech is an excellent solution but getting quality front springs alone can do some nice improvements. If you add Racetech kit to springs it would be all you need. Based on the progress of how far Elka is thru development stage I would say you guys still some time left but I wouldn't say much left. So as of now I would say you have another 2 solids weeks to stash away some dough. After that I will put exact and hard deadline on this Group Buy. We still need 10 takers for each Gen. So please add your names to the list. I am sure you are all aware that Group Buy are exactly what it is an incredible discount for premium parts that cannot be offered indefinitely. I will speak with John on Monday or Tuesday to see how much longer we will be extending it but I urge everyone who is on the fence to jump on this offer. Once its a go I would expect everyone to be serious and understanding. Payment will be required when the deadline is announced. That assures me and Elka that we have actual of 10 takers at the very least. Once payments are received all orders will be submitted to Elka Suspension and John will do his best to get all these shocks produced ASAP. Please realize that each shock will be custom built for YOU and based on YOUR specs. Total turn around time after your order is submitted is around 3 weeks.
By the way 5 Gen guys are coming on strong.
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. ScaryGary (5th Gen) Not sure which unit yet... but want remote preload adjust
3. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment
4. Combine pilot - 2001 5th Gen - 2 way with remote
5. Seamus - 98 VFR - 3 way, regular (wife talked me into it )
6. bear22099 - 99 VFR - 2 way regular
7. Terrol 145 - '99 VFR - 3-Way with Hydraulic and Pazzos
8. gmtech94 - 99 VFR - 3 way regular
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6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Veefer Madness 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)
7. vfrman02-2002 VFR 6th gen- 2 click w/hydraulic adjust
8.
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10.
Excellent. We are almost there on 6th Gen and I am certain 5 Gen will be able to do it as well. I am very excited to see that this group buy is going very well. I am 100% certain that you guys will enjoy every mile you ride with a new shock installed 10 times more then you did on your stockers. You can still add yourself to the list but 10 is a minimum that we need
6th Gen takes the lead!!!!
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. ScaryGary (5th Gen) Not sure which unit yet... but want remote preload adjust
3. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment
4. Combine pilot - 2001 5th Gen - 2 way with remote
5. Seamus - 98 VFR - 3 way, regular (wife talked me into it )
6. bear22099 - 99 VFR - 2 way regular
7. Terrol 145 - '99 VFR - 3-Way with Hydraulic and Pazzos
8. gmtech94 - 99 VFR - 3 way regular
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6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Veefer Madness 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)
7. vfrman02-2002 VFR 6th gen- 2 click w/hydraulic adjust
8. Cageless-in-Seattle - 2007 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS (3-way w/hydraulic adjust)
9. NVR2L8 - 2005 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
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radar, Sep 8 2007, 11:24 PMsirimiri, Sep 8 2007, 06:37 PMI really want one but just don't have the scratch right now sad.gif especially since I need more protective gear (tempting fate and fate will win)
How long will this "buy" be on? (I gave all the posts a cursory glance but couldn't find it, mebbe I was too cursory?)
2 more weeks for sure maybe three, but I wouldn't expect alot past that
Thanks for replying. As for a gear take a look what I already offer and I still have more. I don't have on the website but do carry First Gear, Teknic and MotoGP. Fieldsheer is scheduled to have new stuff (really nice stuff) by the end of October. I am sure you will find my prices to be the best anywhere. I only offer top of the line stuff so you can be assured in the quality of anything you will buy.
Just as a side note. I have a few HJC plain Carbon fiber and Carbon Vader helmets left in almost all sizes from Medium to XL. So if anyone is looking for top of the line helmets but don't want to spend big money I would let them all go for
$299 for Plain Carbon and
only $10 more for VaderRegular HJC AC12 Carbon
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[image: HJCAC12CarbonVaderLarge.jpg]BonusVFR, Sep 12 2007, 01:34 PMI read the whole thread again and I need a summary please. Could somebody put up the latest estimate/summary on pricing.
Does Hydro give you ride Height adjustment or is this just sag/preload. Is this going to be a piggyback or remote for the 5th gen? What kind of spring does it have?
Thanks
Here is an exact copy from the 1st Page. All prices are right here.
This is your summary Elka 2 way adjustable w/reg adjustment - List Price $795: Group Buy $650
Elka 2 way adjustable w/Hydro adjustment - List Price $995: Group Buy $815
Elka 3 way adjustable w/reg adjustment - List Price $895: Group Buy $735
Elka 3 way adjustable w/Hydro adjustment - List Price $1095: Group Buy $900
All Prices include shipping anywhere in the USA and Canada.Almost forgot an additional bonus. If anyone who decides to purchase Elka also will buy Pazzo levers at the same time I will knock off an additional $10 off (basically you will have Pazzo group buy price that is no longer available anywhere). An additional benefit is that shipping of Pazzo levers to Canada will only be $10 and FREE in USA. Hydraulic adjustment adjusts sag/preload. We don't know if its going to be piggyback or remote. I just spoke to John and they are getting 5th Gen in development next week. Only after engineers will figure out the best location will we know. I will keep you posted.
As of now both
6 Gen and 5th Gen are a go. Turn around time for 6th Gen will be 3-4 weeks and for 5th Gen 5-6 weeks. I will set up special discount coupon later on today. After that I will expect that everyone who put their names on the list was/is serious and will be ready to lay out the dough (PAY UP GUYS smile.gif )
MotoWorld, Sep 12 2007, 08:27 PMBonusVFR, Sep 12 2007, 01:34 PMI read the whole thread again and I need a summary please. Could somebody put up the latest estimate/summary on pricing.
Does Hydro give you ride Height adjustment or is this just sag/preload. Is this going to be a piggyback or remote for the 5th gen? What kind of spring does it have?
Thanks
Here is an exact copy from the 1st Page. All prices are right here.
This is your summary
Elka 2 way adjustable w/reg adjustment - List Price $795: Group Buy $650
Elka 2 way adjustable w/Hydro adjustment - List Price $995: Group Buy $815
Elka 3 way adjustable w/reg adjustment - List Price $895: Group Buy $735
Elka 3 way adjustable w/Hydro adjustment - List Price $1095: Group Buy $900
All Prices include shipping anywhere in the USA and Canada.
Almost forgot an additional bonus. If anyone who decides to purchase Elka also will buy Pazzo levers at the same time I will knock off an additional $10 off (basically you will have Pazzo group buy price that is no longer available anywhere). An additional benefit is that shipping of Pazzo levers to Canada will only be $10 and FREE in USA.
Hydraulic adjustment adjusts sag/preload. We don't know if its going to be piggyback or remote. I just spoke to John and they are getting 5th Gen in development next week. Only after engineers will figure out the best location will we know. I will keep you posted.
As of now both 6 Gen and 5th Gen are a go. Turn around time for 6th Gen will be 3-4 weeks and for 5th Gen 5-6 weeks. I will set up special discount coupon later on today. After that I will expect that everyone who put their names on the list was/is serious and will be ready to lay out the dough (PAY UP GUYS smile.gif )
Thank you. Looks like it would be easy to adjust ride height with an adjustment - like on the 1000RR? Is that correct?
Ok gang. I just setup Elka Shocks for VFRs on my website. Here is the link
Visit My Website - MotoWorldOnline.com / Suspension / Elka.
All you have to do is pick your bike (make sure you select correct Gen) and then select the shock you want. Input all the information and go to checkout. If you want to add Pazzo Levers or anything else click CONTINUE Shopping. Once you are finished make sure to enter '
VFRDElka" into a coupon area and press "GO". Unfortunately I wasn't able to setup an additional discount for Pazzo but once I see them together I will immediately adjust your price by $10 less.
Ok. Let the fun begin. Start placing your order now
Almost forgot. Please make sure to put your forum name in the comments section (last page of checkout)
bear22099, Sep 12 2007, 06:28 PMMotoWorld, Sep 12 2007, 05:51 PMOk gang. I just setup Elka Shocks for VFRs on my website. Here is the link Visit My Website - MotoWorldOnline.com / Suspension / Elka.
All you have to do is pick your bike (make sure you select correct Gen) and then select the shock you want. Input all the information and go to checkout. If you want to add Pazzo Levers or anything else click CONTINUE Shopping. Once you are finished make sure to enter 'VFRDElka" into a coupon area and press "GO". Unfortunately I wasn't able to setup an additional discount for Pazzo but once I see them together I will immediately adjust your price by $10 less.
Ok. Let the fun begin. Start placing your order now
Almost forgot. Please make sure to put your forum name in the comments section (last page of checkout)
I have ordered and paid for it, but, since I am in Canada, I either had to send you a copy of photo id or use paypal. When I use Paypal, I acually have to pay for the shock 6 weeks before it is even available. Paypal has stricter rules regarding refunds for non-delivery than VISA does as well. Does this ship from within Canada as well, thus avoiding the import fees?
Doug,
As I clearly stated above payment is expected from everyone on the list as of now. Whoever is not on a list yet can still add yourself to the list for another 2 weeks. In regards to anyone from Canada I will have to manually adjust your shipping charges. There wil no import taxes to anyone anywhere in the wolrd (based on my previous experience). Actually I don't think anyone of my Canadian customers ever paid any import tax. If anyone from outside USA or Canada is paying by credit card (wire transfer is the only other option) then I require to have an emailed copy of credit card used for this transaction (front only) and the driver license. Name on the card MUST ALWAYS match the name on the license.
Thanks
Vlad
P.S. If anyone has any other questions or concerns please don't hesitate to ask
MotoWorld, Sep 12 2007, 02:51 PMOk gang. I just setup Elka Shocks for VFRs on my website. Here is the link Visit My Website - MotoWorldOnline.com / Suspension / Elka.
All you have to do is pick your bike (make sure you select correct Gen) and then select the shock you want. Input all the information and go to checkout. If you want to add Pazzo Levers or anything else click CONTINUE Shopping. Once you are finished make sure to enter 'VFRDElka" into a coupon area and press "GO". Unfortunately I wasn't able to setup an additional discount for Pazzo but once I see them together I will immediately adjust your price by $10 less.
Ok. Let the fun begin. Start placing your order now
Almost forgot. Please make sure to put your forum name in the comments section (last page of checkout)
Thanks for getting this setup. Quick question: I currently have 0.95 kg springs up front, so to keep the rear balanced with the front, I'll want a 20.3 kg spring in the rear. If I add in the comments section the spring rate that I want, will you foward that information to Elka?
Darth Bling, Sep 12 2007, 06:41 PMMotoWorld, Sep 12 2007, 02:51 PMOk gang. I just setup Elka Shocks for VFRs on my website. Here is the link Visit My Website - MotoWorldOnline.com / Suspension / Elka.
All you have to do is pick your bike (make sure you select correct Gen) and then select the shock you want. Input all the information and go to checkout. If you want to add Pazzo Levers or anything else click CONTINUE Shopping. Once you are finished make sure to enter 'VFRDElka" into a coupon area and press "GO". Unfortunately I wasn't able to setup an additional discount for Pazzo but once I see them together I will immediately adjust your price by $10 less.
Ok. Let the fun begin. Start placing your order now
Almost forgot. Please make sure to put your forum name in the comments section (last page of checkout)
Thanks for getting this setup. Quick question: I currently have 0.95 kg springs up front, so to keep the rear balanced with the front, I'll want a 20.3 kg spring in the rear. If I add in the comments section the spring rate that I want, will you foward that information to Elka?
I will be happy to forward that info to Elka but I think if you answer all required question Elka guys will know better what spring you would need. Remember these shocks are tailor made based on your wait and riding style.
Guys please don't forget to use discount code "VFRDElka". This coupn code must be entered as the last step before proceeding to checkout
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
2. ScaryGary (5th Gen) Not sure which unit yet... but want remote preload adjust
3. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment
4. Combine pilot - 2001 5th Gen - 2 way with remote
5. Seamus - 98 VFR - 3 way, regular (wife talked me into it )
6. bear22099 - 99 VFR - 2 way regular - PAID
7. Terrol 145 - 99 VFR - 3-Way with Hydraulic and Pazzos
8. gmtech94 - 99 VFR - 3 way regular
9. enzed_viffer - 2001 - 2 way with remote
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6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton - 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Veefer Madness - 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)
7. vfrman02 -2002 VFR 6th gen - 2 click w/hydraulic adjust
8. Cageless-in-Seattle - 2007 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS (3-way w/hydraulic adjust)
9. NVR2L8 - 2005 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
10.Timmo - 2004 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click (probably with hyd) - PAID
11.Yosh70 - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click with hyd.adj. AND Pazzo's
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15.
Just want to let you know the faster I get everyones payments the faster I will be able to submit this order to John at Elka.
Thank you guys for your patronage and support
Beck, Sep 12 2007, 01:53 PMWell, summary on the 4th gen Elka group buy attempt is NADA!
I think I posted in this thread that I very successfully transferred my 6gen wilbers to my 4gen with the simple addition of a short spacer. It works just as well or maybe even a tad better than before but that may be because I spent a little more time to dial it in. It's a 3 way.
Guys please don't forget to use discount code "VFRDElka". This coupn code must be entered as the last step before proceeding to checkout
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
2. ScaryGary (5th Gen) - PAID
3. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment
4. Combine pilot - 2001 5th Gen - 2 way with remote
5. Seamus - 98 VFR - 3 way, regular (wife talked me into it )
6. bear22099 - 99 VFR - 2 way regular - PAID
7. Terrol 145 - 99 VFR - 3-Way with Hydraulic and Pazzos
8. gmtech94 - 99 VFR - 3 way regular
9. enzed_viffer - 2001 - 2 way with remote
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6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton - 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Veefer Madness - 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)
7. vfrman02 -2002 VFR 6th gen - 2 click w/hydraulic adjust
8. Cageless-in-Seattle - 2007 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS (3-way w/hydraulic adjust)
9. NVR2L8 - 2005 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS 3-way w/hydraulic adjust
10.Timmo - 2004 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click (probably with hyd) - PAID
11.Yosh70 - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click with hyd.adj. AND Pazzo's
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14.
15.
Just want to let you know the faster I get everyones payments the faster I will be able to submit this order to John at Elka.
Thank you guys for your patronage and support
Guys please do not forget to use coupon code "VFRDElka" and press GO during checkout. If you are planning to buy anything else then entering coupon code should be the last thing. Whoever wants to buy Pazzo Levers please note that an additional $10 discount will be applied by me manually
So far its going pretty good
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
2. ScaryGary (5th Gen) - PAID
3. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment - PAID
4. Combine pilot - 2001 5th Gen - 2 way with remote
5. Seamus - 98 VFR - 3 way, regular (wife talked me into it )
6. bear22099 - 99 VFR - 2 way regular - PAID
7. Terrol 145 - 99 VFR - 3-Way with Hydraulic and Pazzos
8. gmtech94 - 99 VFR - 3 way regular - PAID
9. enzed_viffer - 2001 - 2 way with remote
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15.
6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton - 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust)
2. Veefer Madness - 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) PAID
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust - PAID
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)
7. vfrman02 -2002 VFR 6th gen - 2 click w/hydraulic adjust - PAID
8. Cageless-in-Seattle - 2007 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS (3-way w/hydraulic adjust)
9. NVR2L8 - 2005 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS 3-way w/hydraulic adjust - PAID
10.Timmo - 2004 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click (probably with hyd) - PAID
11.Yosh70 - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click with hyd.adj. AND Pazzo's
12.
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14.
15.
Just want to let you know the faster I get everyones payments the faster I will be able to submit this order to John at Elka.
Thank you guys for your patronage and support
Ok Gang. Here is the latest update. Order for 6 Gen has been submitted to Elka today. There is still time to add your name to the list and order it up. 6 Gen owners will have another week to add yourself to the list and make this purchase.
5th Gen guys you got 2 more weeks before I will close down this group buy pricing but the order will be sent out on Saturday for guys that are already paid up. So if you are thinking about this shock but still on the fence because of the funds shortage I would say you got 2 more weeks to make up your mind and put your name on the list. Payments deadline will be 2 weeks from this Sunday or by September 30.
So far almosty everyone from the original list are paid up with the exception Jiander.
Please don't forget to use coupon "VFRDElka"
5th Generation
1. Radar - 2001 VFR 5th gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
2. ScaryGary (5th Gen) - PAID
3. Toro1 - 1998 VFR 5th Gen - 3 way, regular adjustment - PAID
4. Combine pilot - 2001 5th Gen - 2 way with remote red pazzo levers - PAID
5. Seamus - 98 VFR - 3 way, regular (wife talked me into it ) - PAID
6. bear22099 - 99 VFR - 2 way regular - PAID
7. Terrol 145 - 99 VFR - 3-Way with Hydraulic and Pazzos - PAID
8. gmtech94 - 99 VFR - 3 way regular - PAID
9. enzed_viffer - 2001 - 2 way without remote (that international shipping is a killer) unsure.gif - PAID
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15.
6th Generation
1. Kerwinbritton - 2006 VFR 6th Gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
2. Veefer Madness - 2005 6th gen/ABS (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
3. VIPERon - 2004 VFR 6 gen (3 click w/hydraulic adjust) PAID
4. Cassandtim - 2002 VFR 6th Gen 3 Way (Click), Hyd Adjust, Pazzos - PAID
5. Darth Bling - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 3-way w/hydraulic adjust - PAID
6. jiander - 2004 VFR 6th gen/ABS (3-way w/hyd adj)- PAID
7. vfrman02 -2002 VFR 6th gen - 2 click w/hydraulic adjust - PAID
8. Cageless-in-Seattle - 2007 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS (3-way w/hydraulic adjust) - PAID
9. NVR2L8 - 2005 VFR 6th Gen w/ABS 3-way w/hydraulic adjust - PAID
10.Timmo - 2004 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click (probably with hyd) - PAID
11.Yosh70 - 2002 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click with hyd.adj. AND Pazzo's - PAID
12.grayflare - 2006 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click w/ hyd. adj. - PAID
13.LXVI - 2006 VFR 6th Gen - 2 click w/ hyd. adj. - PAID
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combine pilot, Sep 18 2007, 11:56 AMIf I count right that makes 21 in total. Does that mean they are going into production? Did they sell any at full price off the motoworld site without our help? I hope so! fing02.gif
Any one else need a new shock? Is there still time to get in on the group buy?
If the weather holds I will get to try it out this season yet.
Off to combine Barley so when you enjoy a beer think of me! beer.gif
6 Gen still has time until the end of this week and 5 Gen for another week after this. I am sure you can see that my prices are pretty low even without discounting but you guys just got killer price that is even less then some dealers pay
MotoWorld, Sep 19 2007, 06:28 AMI am sure you can see that my prices are pretty low even without discounting but you guys just got killer price that is even less then some dealers pay
Indeed.
I was holding off to buy a HyperPro or Ohlins, and not for a goodly while yet, but the Elka is ~NZ$900ish* (incl. freight), whereas a HyperPro is about NZ$1400 and an Ohlins NZ$1900, so I couldn't afford to pass it up! Even a rebuild of the OEM Showa is about $300-$400 (leaving it with the same spring, and same lack of adjustability). With the Elka, I still have sufficient money left over to sort the front end and replace the tires!
* Oops! Make that NZ$1034 - the credit card transaction's just come through, and the exchange rate is not good... huh.gif
Folks,
The orders for the 6th gen have been entered into our system as engineering has completed the specs. We are currently waiting for the green light to go ahead with the 5th gen.
I will provide updates on the build process when there are new developments.
Regards,
John,
Elka Suspension
Gentleman,
After long hours in R&D discussion with my engineer, it looks like the piggyback resevoir for the 5th gen will not be made available. There are too many restrictions with the space availble to develop a piggyback that will allow you to have access to compression adjustments. It wil have to be developed with a remote resevoir.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Latest update for Elka shocks
The GEN 6 shocks are almost all done in production and they are all in transition from oil bleeding and dyno as we speak. All there will be left to do is spring them and ship, and I will provide tracking numbers when they ship.
As for the Gen 5, engineering is done and the specs will be entered in the system this afternoon so the orders going into system. Produuction should strat shortly
enzed_viffer, Oct 10 2007, 01:11 PMMr Vlad (Sir): What was the outcome of the fifth generation's reservoir mounting conundrum? (Elka said they couldn't make it a piggyback shock, and then they said there wasn't much room for mounting a reservoir.)
So where's it going? Or is there not going to be one?
The remote reservoir will mount next to the hydraulic preload on the right side passenger peg. This may be an issue for those with aftermarket pipes since all R&D had to be done with the stock configuration in mind. However, since it is a remote reservoir, you will be able to look to mount it on the left passenger peg if need be.
R&D for both generations of VFR came with great challenges as to the mounting of resevoirs and hydraulic preload, as well as the fact that the installation of the shock is a challenge in itself because of the tight configuration. Once the challenge of installing it is out of the way, the benefit will have been worth the headaches...guaranteed.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Is it a good idea to take the rear wheel off altogether when doing this?
Where the remote doofer (technical term) goes depends on how long the hosepipe thingo (another technical term) is.
As you see, it can't really go on the right footpeg bracket:
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satantune.jpg
Unless mounting it as high as possible on the bracket means it doesn't get too much heat from the Satantune.
I'll figger summat out.
enzed_viffer, Oct 11 2007, 01:32 AMIs it a good idea to take the rear wheel off altogether when doing this?
Yes it is. it will make the removal of the shock bottom triangle plates easier.
I forgot to place some blocks under the swingarm so I was flat on the ground, using a leg to lift the swingarm while undoing the bolts.
that is where wearing an old pair of jeans comes in handy.....
The Wilbers came (after some haggling) with a mounting plate that bolts onto the subframe. Ended up never using it......
look in this post for it and some other hints...
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.p...ilbers&st=0Ok Guys here is the latest update.
Shocks are on the way to you as I write this. Some of you might already be getting yours but if not I would say Monday is the a sure date. I will update everyone with tracking numbers as I get them.
VFRMan02 - Scott your shock was sent to me by mistake and there was some mix up in address. In any case I just spoke to UPS and its being redirected to you. I am hoping that you will have yours by Monday-Tuesday of next week. Check your email shortly for tracking number.
Veefer Madness and Yosh70, your shocks were not drop shipped to you because of some issues with taxation so I got them and will be sending them out to you in the morning. Keep an eye on your emails for tracking number.
KerwinBritton since you have asked me to redirect this shock to your other location I will let you know what is the price for shipping. Please watch your email and respond as soon as you get it.
5th Gen should be ready sometimes by the end of next week.
A few others to whom I extended a group buy and who purchased this great shock recently, please hang tight. Shocks will be built pretty soon and I will keep you updated
Thanks
Vlad
radar, Oct 18 2007, 05:12 PMNVR2L8, Oct 18 2007, 05:39 PMI got a call from home saying my shock arrived this afternoon. Can't wait to check it out tonight, although it will be a week or so before I get it installed.
It's not real until we see pictures, so hurry up and get your butt home!
Okay...here is a quick pic of what was inside the box. I had front/rear Elka shocks on my quad years ago and it's nice to see that the quality is still top notch, and as you can see there are detailed 6th Gen installation directions and a few brackets/clamps for the remote preload and ressy.
PS: This is the 3-way with remote preload.
[image: ShockPictures008.jpg]MotoWorld, Oct 18 2007, 04:36 PMOk Guys here is the latest update.
Shocks are on the way to you as I write this. Some of you might already be getting yours but if not I would say Monday is the a sure date. I will update everyone with tracking numbers as I get them.
VFRMan02 - Scott your shock was sent to me by mistake and there was some mix up in address. In any case I just spoke to UPS and its being redirected to you. I am hoping that you will have yours by Monday-Tuesday of next week. Check your email shortly for tracking number.
Veefer Madness and Yosh70, your shocks were not drop shipped to you because of some issues with taxation so I got them and will be sending them out to you in the morning. Keep an eye on your emails for tracking number.
KerwinBritton since you have asked me to redirect this shock to your other location I will let you know what is the price for shipping. Please watch your email and respond as soon as you get it.
5th Gen should be ready sometimes by the end of next week.
A few others to whom I extended a group buy and who purchased this great shock recently, please hang tight. Shocks will be built pretty soon and I will keep you updated
Thanks
Vlad
Is it still possible to get in on a 5th Gen. 2-way adj. I was sure I added my name a while back but had not checked in for a while. I'll check back tommorrow for sure. I tried to order one but the coupon code was invalid. VFRDElka is the price still $650 or did it go up? Thanks
VFR Capt.Bob, Oct 18 2007, 11:41 PMIs it still possible to get in on a 5th Gen. 2-way adj. I was sure I added my name a while back but had not checked in for a while. I'll check back tommorrow for sure. I tried to order one but the coupon code was invalid. VFRDElka is the price still $650 or did it go up? Thanks
PM Vlad at Motoworld
NVR2L8, Oct 18 2007, 10:14 PMradar, Oct 18 2007, 05:12 PMNVR2L8, Oct 18 2007, 05:39 PMI got a call from home saying my shock arrived this afternoon. Can't wait to check it out tonight, although it will be a week or so before I get it installed.
It's not real until we see pictures, so hurry up and get your butt home!
Okay...here is a quick pic of what was inside the box. I had front/rear Elka shocks on my quad years ago and it's nice to see that the quality is still top notch, and as you can see there are detailed 6th Gen installation directions and a few brackets/clamps for the remote preload and ressy.
PS: This is the 3-way with remote preload.
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I'm starting to feel like a big kid at christmas, looks like they did a very nice job of this...hurry up Santa!
grayflare, Oct 18 2007, 08:27 PMI got home today and there was a UPS note on the door saying they tried to deliver but have to have a sig. Darn work got in the way of happiness again. Guess I will have to wait until tomorrow.
Would you like me to write you a sick note? warranty.gif
You MUST stay home today!
Got my notice last night..... probably next week at this point. sad.gif
They sure do look awsome!!!!!!!!!! fing02.gif fing02.gif
Thanks to EVERYONE involved! Members who ordered too!
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AND YOUR SOUL TOO!!! Yea, the Elka rear shock is definitely a very nice looking piece of hardware, plus in my off-road experience from years ago they make a tremendous difference in handling. On my old 400EX, the full set of Elka shocks were the best upgrade I ever did.
I'm tearing into my bike after work tonight, so I hope to have it installed this weekend. I'm a little confused about Elka's directions though, as they say to remove the rear cowl, exhaust system, and rear fender assembly. I'm not sure if all of that is needed, especially since just last weekend installed the brackets for the Honda sidecases, plus I don't want to remove my Staintunes unless absolutely necessary. I already have more work ahead of me than just a rear shock install, since I will be restoring the stock ride height by putting the triangle back to the correct position, plus pulling the front cowl to set the front forks back to 41mm. I'll post any tips/tricks if I have any...
NVR2L8, Oct 19 2007, 11:33 AMYea, the Elka rear shock is definitely a very nice looking piece of hardware, plus in my off-road experience from years ago they make a tremendous difference in handling. On my old 400EX, the full set of Elka shocks were the best upgrade I ever did.
I'm tearing into my bike after work tonight, so I hope to have it installed this weekend. I'm a little confused about Elka's directions though, as they say to remove the rear cowl, exhaust system, and rear fender assembly. I'm not sure if all of that is needed, especially since just last weekend installed the brackets for the Honda sidecases, plus I don't want to remove my Staintunes unless absolutely necessary. I already have more work ahead of me than just a rear shock install, since I will be restoring the stock ride height by putting the triangle back to the correct position, plus pulling the front cowl to set the front forks back to 41mm. I'll post any tips/tricks if I have any...
NVR2L8,
If you can wait a week or two, I hope to be getting mine Elka rear shock as well (already ordered). It'll be nice to actually see how the shock is installed as I know next to nothing about working on a bike. If you can wait, beers on me.
BTW, I did get mine Cycleport gears. I'll have to take the stretch pants back for minor adjustments.
Michael
michaelf3, Oct 19 2007, 08:51 AMNVR2L8, Oct 19 2007, 11:33 AMYea, the Elka rear shock is definitely a very nice looking piece of hardware, plus in my off-road experience from years ago they make a tremendous difference in handling. On my old 400EX, the full set of Elka shocks were the best upgrade I ever did.
I'm tearing into my bike after work tonight, so I hope to have it installed this weekend. I'm a little confused about Elka's directions though, as they say to remove the rear cowl, exhaust system, and rear fender assembly. I'm not sure if all of that is needed, especially since just last weekend installed the brackets for the Honda sidecases, plus I don't want to remove my Staintunes unless absolutely necessary. I already have more work ahead of me than just a rear shock install, since I will be restoring the stock ride height by putting the triangle back to the correct position, plus pulling the front cowl to set the front forks back to 41mm. I'll post any tips/tricks if I have any...
NVR2L8,
If you can wait a week or two, I hope to be getting mine Elka rear shock as well (already ordered). It'll be nice to actually see how the shock is installed as I know next to nothing about working on a bike. If you can wait, beers on me.
BTW, I did get mine Cycleport gears. I'll have to take the stretch pants back for minor adjustments.
Michael
Yeah, not sure why they would want you to remove all of that. I've swapped rear shocks on my VFR twice already and neither time was that difficult. My Elka should be arriving today (got a note on my door yesterday) and I will be installing it tomorrow. I'll make sure to bring my camera with me out to the garage. fing02.gif
enzed_viffer, Nov 6 2007, 06:19 PMW000t!
Apparently my shock's arrived - I think I'd better take the rest of the day off to play with it. comp13.gif
And seeing you other guys were a bit slack with your installation pix and ride reports, I might have to do my own. 491.gif
Why don't you get your buddies Bilbo Baggins or Frodo or Gollum to help you? I hear they're good in small places like
Noose E-Land or Mordor! goofy.gif
You can usually find them smokin' stuff down at the Shire.
Just don't let them adjust any of the three rings and you'll be fine. ohmy.gif
"We likes Elkas, We loves Elkas!!!" 491.gif
Whelp, I took the rest of the day off.
I unpacked my Elka shock, ogled it, read all the destructions, wunnerd what the heck the strange uncatalogued thing was that looks like a centre punch (and I still have no eye deer - perhaps it's a blind Elk uh...).
Then I got to work.
I ignored the bits of the beautiful, multi-coloured destructions that said I should remove all the bodywork, the engine and my clothes, but I did remove the rear wheel, which meant removing the Satantune, and I also removed my clothes and put other ones on.
Of course, the nuts on the lower linkage were seized up, from the heat of the catabolizerator, and getting the wheel buts off necessitated using a 17 foot long bar as my Bike Guy had done them up to 1576 foot torque pounds per kilometre.
But all that was OK.
What was not OK was the destruction that said, "As soon as you evne think about loosening your nuts (and those on the linkage) the shock absorber will slide right out of the bike. Next, remove the tuning fork thingo from the top of the shock, coz that's a Yamahaha emblem."
Huh. unsure.gif
What it should have said, was "Remove the Yamaha thingo from the top of the shock, THEN wrstle the shock out of there."
But 75 minutes later, it's out.
And I had to wash my grubby paws before I fondle Elka again.
I'm a Weeeeee bit concerned about the remote reservoir doofer (technical term) as Mr Elka says it MUST go on the right-hand pillion peg, and that I'm not allowed to loosen the banjo players or their bolts to put it on the leftward (eastern) side.
But (however), there's a great big HOT zorst tube that goes there, just perfect for cooking hydraulic juices, so I'm not too happy 'bout that.
We'll see...
Oh - and I went to the KaTooM shop on the way past for to buy some fork fluid. They didn't have any Motul 10W, so the only other thing they had there was Motorex Fork Spooge (Swiss made, in Switzerland), so I bought that instead. It was only 45 Swiss % more expensive, but it says it's Special! Racing!! Fork Oill!!! and also very precise. Like a Swiss Cheese watch.
We'll see...
BTW - does anyone know what the strrange undocumented tool is for? It doesn't fit any of the shock's orofices. unsure.gif
EDIT:
I thought I'd set the ride height before installing the shock. The Elka is 9mm longer eye-to-eye as it came from the factory.
Should I reduce that to maybe 5mm? Or just install it as is?
enzed_viffer, Nov 6 2007, 11:06 PMWhelp, I took the rest of the day off.
I unpacked my Elka shock, ogled it, read all the destructions, wunnerd what the heck the strange uncatalogued thing was that looks like a centre punch (and I still have no eye deer - perhaps it's a blind Elk uh...).
Then I got to work.
I ignored the bits of the beautiful, multi-coloured destructions that said I should remove all the bodywork, the engine and my clothes, but I did remove the rear wheel, which meant removing the Satantune, and I also removed my clothes and put other ones on.
Of course, the nuts on the lower linkage were seized up, from the heat of the catabolizerator, and getting the wheel buts off necessitated using a 17 foot long bar as my Bike Guy had done them up to 1576 foot torque pounds per kilometre.
But all that was OK.
What was not OK was the destruction that said, "As soon as you evne think about loosening your nuts (and those on the linkage) the shock absorber will slide right out of the bike. Next, remove the tuning fork thingo from the top of the shock, coz that's a Yamahaha emblem."
Huh. unsure.gif
What it should have said, was "Remove the Yamaha thingo from the top of the shock, THEN wrstle the shock out of there."
But 75 minutes later, it's out.
And I had to wash my grubby paws before I fondle Elka again.
I'm a Weeeeee bit concerned about the remote reservoir doofer (technical term) as Mr Elka says it MUST go on the right-hand pillion peg, and that I'm not allowed to loosen the banjo players or their bolts to put it on the leftward (eastern) side.
But (however), there's a great big HOT zorst tube that goes there, just perfect for cooking hydraulic juices, so I'm not too happy 'bout that.
We'll see...
Oh - and I went to the KaTooM shop on the way past for to buy some fork fluid. They didn't have any Motul 10W, so the only other thing they had there was Motorex Fork Spooge (Swiss made, in Switzerland), so I bought that instead. It was only 45 Swiss % more expensive, but it says it's Special! Racing!! Fork Oill!!! and also very precise. Like a Swiss Cheese watch.
We'll see...
BTW - does anyone know what the strrange undocumented tool is for? It doesn't fit any of the shock's orofices. unsure.gif
EDIT:
I thought I'd set the ride height before installing the shock. The Elka is 9mm longer eye-to-eye as it came from the factory.
Should I reduce that to maybe 5mm? Or just install it as is?
If you do not shorten the shock back to stock length, you will have to reverse the triangle plates, otherwise the rear wheel will not be raised off the ground when on the center stand.
You can mount the resevoir on the right pass hanger, but instead of behind it, put it in front of it. Basically 90 degrees from where the instructions say. You can also mount it on the rear subframe under the rear cowl. But if you do that, set the shock up before putting the rear cowl back on. Once the cowl is on, you cannot adjust it without removing it. I put mine behind the cowl, and used an old grip for insulation between the frame rail and the can.
I have no idea what the punch is for, maybe it is a tool for lining up the shock mount. Did you notice that you do not have any lock screw on the preload adjuster as well?
UnZud,
The instructions that came with my Wilbers also stated to put it right, but funk that.
That would bring it too close to the zorst.
I suspect the fear is that if you place it left and the chain snaps, it will damage the remote thingie...
Well bugger me with a fish fork, if the chain snaps, the Guinness can is the least of my concern....
bear22099, Nov 8 2007, 02:58 AMIf you do not shorten the shock back to stock length, you will have to reverse the triangle plates, otherwise the rear wheel will not be raised off the ground when on the center stand.
My concern was that I read somewhere else that if you shim the rear shock mounts by more than ~5mm or so, the shock runs the risk of hanging up on the linkages somewhere at full extension. But this may have been another model VFR.
John from Elka has been very prompt in contacting me over this, which is EXCELLENT customer service! fing02.gif
bear22099, Nov 8 2007, 02:58 AMYou can mount the resevoir on the right pass hanger, but instead of behind it, put it in front of it. Basically 90 degrees from where the instructions say. You can also mount it on the rear subframe under the rear cowl. But if you do that, set the shock up before putting the rear cowl back on. Once the cowl is on, you cannot adjust it without removing it. I put mine behind the cowl, and used an old grip for insulation between the frame rail and the can.
I'm currently investigating mounting it on the left somewhere. I can't see it being a problem, but I just need to confirm a couple of things with John from Elka.
bear22099, Nov 8 2007, 02:58 AMI have no idea what the punch is for, maybe it is a tool for lining up the shock mount. Did you notice that you do not have any lock screw on the preload adjuster as well?
I've asked John what it was for. No, I didn't notice the lack of a lock screw! Strange, because there's an allen key included for it. unsure.gif
Here's a pick of the 'doofer' that was included:
[image: doofer.jpg]Dutchy, Nov 8 2007, 03:33 AMUnZud,
The instructions that came with my Wilbers also stated to put it right, but funk that.
That would bring it too close to the zorst.
I suspect the fear is that if you place it left and the chain snaps, it will damage the remote thingie...
Well bugger me with a fish fork, if the chain snaps, the Guinness can is the least of my concern....
Bugger you with a fish fork? blink.gif
I'd rather not - that would be very painful for you, and the screaming might hurt my ears!
I suspect that Elka have reasoned that placing the reservoir (and the remote preload, which I don't have) on the left runs the risk of the hoses fouling on the chain guard. Also, I've currently got the swingarm raised as far as it will go, which although it is much higher than it can go with the shock in place, does make the chainguard and swingarm enter into the space below the subframe, if you see what I mean. On the right-hand side, there's nothing below the subframe, so no risk of anything contacting the reservoir or hoses. But to position it on the right, there's a lot of zorst plumbing, brake hoses, heat shields and whatnot to negotiate, as well as a Satantune connector pipe. Seems to me that if keeping the reservoir and its hose away from hot things is important, then the right pillion footpeg isn't the best place for it to go.
Anyway, I'm sure Trooper (John from Elka) and I can sort it out between us.
BTW - the Elka shock is amazingly gorgeous in the flesh - pictures don't do it justice.
Of course my wife looked at my old shock, and at the Elka, and said, "Why bother making it so pretty - once it's on the bike it's going to get all grubby and ruined!"
But I've mounted a mudflap on the "lip thingo" below the battery box. I thangs down nicely just in front of the tyre, and has already been tested in the rain several times - it works brilliantly! Maybe not as well as a hugger, but then it cost only a few UnZud SheepDollarz, so who cares?
enzed_viffer, Nov 7 2007, 12:55 PMDutchy, Nov 8 2007, 03:33 AMUnZud,
The instructions that came with my Wilbers also stated to put it right, but funk that.
That would bring it too close to the zorst.
I suspect the fear is that if you place it left and the chain snaps, it will damage the remote thingie...
Well bugger me with a fish fork, if the chain snaps, the Guinness can is the least of my concern....
Bugger you with a fish fork? blink.gif
I'd rather not - that would be very painful for you, and the screaming might hurt my ears!
I suspect that Elka have reasoned that placing the reservoir (and the remote preload, which I don't have) on the left runs the risk of the hoses fouling on the chain guard. Also, I've currently got the swingarm raised as far as it will go, which although it is much higher than it can go with the shock in place, does make the chainguard and swingarm enter into the space below the subframe, if you see what I mean. On the right-hand side, there's nothing below the subframe, so no risk of anything contacting the reservoir or hoses. But to position it on the right, there's a lot of zorst plumbing, brake hoses, heat shields and whatnot to negotiate, as well as a Satantune connector pipe. Seems to me that if keeping the reservoir and its hose away from hot things is important, then the right pillion footpeg isn't the best place for it to go.
Anyway, I'm sure Trooper (John from Elka) and I can sort it out between us.
BTW - the Elka shock is amazingly gorgeous in the flesh - pictures don't do it justice.
Of course my wife looked at my old shock, and at the Elka, and said, "Why bother making it so pretty - once it's on the bike it's going to get all grubby and ruined!"
But I've mounted a mudflap on the "lip thingo" below the battery box. I thangs down nicely just in front of the tyre, and has already been tested in the rain several times - it works brilliantly! Maybe not as well as a hugger, but then it cost only a few UnZud SheepDollarz, so who cares?
Hello gentlemen,
Ok, so if you have received the "doofer" as Mr. Enzed_viffer put it, just ignore it. It is a tool that is used to adjust the manual preload ring that was automatically put in the bags in the pre-preparation stage of shipping by error. That tool is only good for our ATV shock preload rings. So if any of you want to buy Elka shocks for your quad, well you already have the preload adjustment tool !!! LOL
As for the resevoir, when the shock was engineered, the longest part of the design process was deciding where we were going to put the remote resevoir. Since it was not possible to design a piggyback shock( and trust me, we tried), the remote was the only choice we had, and it was quite a challenge to put it in a place that would do the following:
1. look as esthetically pleasing on the bike as possible
2. would not interfere with foot plcement for the rider or passenger
3. be easy to access to make adjustments to the compression settings
4. be as easy to install as possible.
That being said, the routing of the hose if installed per the instructions should not be an issue with the stock exhaust. As long as the hose in not resting on the exhaust, it is not a problem. The hoses we used are insulated steel braided hoses, and are the same we use for our quad shocks. The mono rear shocks on most sports quads heat up to unbelievable temperatures and the hoses we use have never, ever failed. You can rest assured that even if it seems close to the exhaust, there will be no negative effect such as fading or physical damage to the hose.
As for the aesthetics, the placement of a rear motorcycle shock does indeed hide the beauty if it, but all of our products are the same color. On an ATV, the front shocks are probably one of the elements that first catch the eye (as the picture below indicates), therefore our desire to make a good looking product, but most importantly, an effective product.
[image: KE2F2034.jpg]If there are any more questions or concerns, DO NOT hesitate to contact me. I can be reached by PM, or by e-mail at jilkiw@elkasuspension.com. Not only is it my duty to answer all your questions, but also a pleasure to do so.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
John,
I would like to thank you for your help, and your excellent customer service. smile.gif
As per my PM to you, my shock is now installed and the ride is "firm but responsive", which is the option I ticked on the shock selection form.
I haven't yet made any adjustments to the settings, as they seem pretty good as they are.
I still haven't sorted out the remote reservoir installation, so it's currently installed under my seat, which actually works fairly well, as long as it's not being squished by the seat pan. I'd imagine the 5th Generation VFR installation is one of the more problematic ones, due to having to slide the shock in through the hole in the swingarm, and the rear exhaust headers and associated heat shield plus all the rear brake lines etc. mean things are fairly cluttered.
The puzzling thing about my install is that the shock is 325mm eye-to-eye, which from what I can find out on the Interdweeb is the correct length for the 5th-Gen VFR, yet the standard Showa shock on my bike is 316mm. So squeezing it in was a mission, and the ride height is "maxed out", with the rear wheel on the ground when the bike is on the centrestand.
Weird... unsure.gif
Enzed you missed the hight ajustment on the shock. Turn it down until it is the right lenth unless yours is different then mine.. I have yet to install due to not wanting to wrench on this as I just had my 3 wisdom teeth pulled Friday..
I got the 2 way without preload adj. My 01 has room to adjust manualy if need be.
PS too cold to ride here no real rush!
combine pilot, Nov 9 2007, 09:02 AMEnzed you missed the hight ajustment on the shock.
No, I knew it was there (but I think it's only -3mm to +7 or 8mm?).
I thought I'd see if it worked without adjusting it.
I just don't get it though - why is my Showa 316mm? Obviously, 325mm IS too long, yet that seems to be the stated length for this model. Do some VFRs have different specs?
enzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 12:53 PMJohn,
I would like to thank you for your help, and your excellent customer service. smile.gif
As per my PM to you, my shock is now installed and the ride is "firm but responsive", which is the option I ticked on the shock selection form.
I haven't yet made any adjustments to the settings, as they seem pretty good as they are.
I still haven't sorted out the remote reservoir installation, so it's currently installed under my seat, which actually works fairly well, as long as it's not being squished by the seat pan. I'd imagine the 5th Generation VFR installation is one of the more problematic ones, due to having to slide the shock in through the hole in the swingarm, and the rear exhaust headers and associated heat shield plus all the rear brake lines etc. mean things are fairly cluttered.
The puzzling thing about my install is that the shock is 325mm eye-to-eye, which from what I can find out on the Interdweeb is the correct length for the 5th-Gen VFR, yet the standard Showa shock on my bike is 316mm. So squeezing it in was a mission, and the ride height is "maxed out", with the rear wheel on the ground when the bike is on the centrestand.
Weird... unsure.gif
enzed_viffer,
As for the firm and responsive part, this is usually adjustable by playing with your sag settings. You should try to get between 28mm to 32mm for track, and 32mm to 38mm of sag for roads and touring...the more sag you have, the "softer" your ride will be.
The stock VFR shock is indeed 325mm, and it is odd that your showa was at 316mm...which explains why your ride may have seemed softer before the change.
I will get back to you on the resevoir issue once I speak to my engineer.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Trooper, Nov 8 2007, 03:22 PMenzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 12:53 PMJohn,
I would like to thank you for your help, and your excellent customer service. smile.gif
As per my PM to you, my shock is now installed and the ride is "firm but responsive", which is the option I ticked on the shock selection form.
I haven't yet made any adjustments to the settings, as they seem pretty good as they are.
I still haven't sorted out the remote reservoir installation, so it's currently installed under my seat, which actually works fairly well, as long as it's not being squished by the seat pan. I'd imagine the 5th Generation VFR installation is one of the more problematic ones, due to having to slide the shock in through the hole in the swingarm, and the rear exhaust headers and associated heat shield plus all the rear brake lines etc. mean things are fairly cluttered.
The puzzling thing about my install is that the shock is 325mm eye-to-eye, which from what I can find out on the Interdweeb is the correct length for the 5th-Gen VFR, yet the standard Showa shock on my bike is 316mm. So squeezing it in was a mission, and the ride height is "maxed out", with the rear wheel on the ground when the bike is on the centrestand.
Weird... unsure.gif
enzed_viffer,
As for the firm and responsive part, this is usually adjustable by playing with your sag settings. You should try to get between 28mm to 32mm for track, and 32mm to 38mm of sag for roads and touring...the more sag you have, the "softer" your ride will be.
The stock VFR shock is indeed 325mm, and it is odd that your showa was at 316mm...which explains why your ride may have seemed softer before the change.
I will get back to you on the resevoir issue once I speak to my engineer.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Mine is the same. I had to reverse the triangle plates to get the rear wheel to be off the ground when on the center stand. The instructions are clear in saying that you can extend the lower eyelet a max of 3/8 of an inch (about 10mm), but the shock came already extended that amount according to the exposed threads. I did not try shortening the shock since I did not notice this until it was in, and you cannot loosen the lower eye with the shock installed using normal handtools.
Trooper, Nov 9 2007, 09:22 AMAs for the firm and responsive part, this is usually adjustable by playing with your sag settings. You should try to get between 28mm to 32mm for track, and 32mm to 38mm of sag for roads and touring...the more sag you have, the "softer" your ride will be.
John, thanks for your reply.
I did a quick measurement last night (tricky on my own, but everyone else was stacking up Z's inside the house...) and the sag is in the right ballpark, around 30mm-ish. I'll check it again with an assistant to help me.
Trooper, Nov 9 2007, 09:22 AMThe stock VFR shock is indeed 325mm, and it is odd that your showa was at 316mm...which explains why your ride may have seemed softer before the change.
I have a feeling that either some markets have different specs (my bike is a UK model, even though I live in NZ and should have an Australian-spec model), OR maybe the 2000/2001 model has a shorter shock than the 1998/1999 model, due to the catalytic converter being so fat and ugly. This is just supposition on my part, but as far as I can tell, the dogbone, plates and shock all seem to be OEM parts, so it would fit what I've observed.
bear22099, Nov 9 2007, 09:27 AMI had to reverse the triangle plates to get the rear wheel to be off the ground when on the center stand. The instructions are clear in saying that you can extend the lower eyelet a max of 3/8 of an inch (about 10mm), but the shock came already extended that amount according to the exposed threads. I did not try shortening the shock since I did not notice this until it was in, and you cannot loosen the lower eye with the shock installed using normal handtools.
It took me HOURS to get the shock in, due to the length thing. Like you, I reversed the plates, because that was the only way to get the holes to match up, but eventually with my son's help and a 12" bar levering the hole in the middle of the plates, I was able to get everything lined up and bolted up. But (however!) the dogbone rests on the catatronalizer (which I also had to pound with a hammer and bar to get the right side plate in). My son was like, "Cut the fooker off and replace it with a collector, but I was too lazy to do that.
So - if I undo the plates and dogbone, can I undo the lower eye and wind it in, or are you saying it needs supranormal tools of a kind we mortals don't have access to? unsure.gif blink.gif
I was thinking I could do what I just said, then install the doggonnit and plates so the bottom eye is oriented right, then lastly tighten the locknut on the shock.
It rides OK like it is, but having a 9mm longer shock than Honda san intended is probably less than desirable.
enzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 04:15 PMTrooper, Nov 9 2007, 09:22 AMAs for the firm and responsive part, this is usually adjustable by playing with your sag settings. You should try to get between 28mm to 32mm for track, and 32mm to 38mm of sag for roads and touring...the more sag you have, the "softer" your ride will be.
John, thanks for your reply.
I did a quick measurement last night (tricky on my own, but everyone else was stacking up Z's inside the house...) and the sag is in the right ballpark, around 30mm-ish. I'll check it again with an assistant to help me.
Trooper, Nov 9 2007, 09:22 AMThe stock VFR shock is indeed 325mm, and it is odd that your showa was at 316mm...which explains why your ride may have seemed softer before the change.
I have a feeling that either some markets have different specs (my bike is a UK model, even though I live in NZ and should have an Australian-spec model), OR maybe the 2000/2001 model has a shorter shock than the 1998/1999 model, due to the catalytic converter being so fat and ugly. This is just supposition on my part, but as far as I can tell, the dogbone, plates and shock all seem to be OEM parts, so it would fit what I've observed.
bear22099, Nov 9 2007, 09:27 AMI had to reverse the triangle plates to get the rear wheel to be off the ground when on the center stand. The instructions are clear in saying that you can extend the lower eyelet a max of 3/8 of an inch (about 10mm), but the shock came already extended that amount according to the exposed threads. I did not try shortening the shock since I did not notice this until it was in, and you cannot loosen the lower eye with the shock installed using normal handtools.
It took me HOURS to get the shock in, due to the length thing. Like you, I reversed the plates, because that was the only way to get the holes to match up, but eventually with my son's help and a 12" bar levering the hole in the middle of the plates, I was able to get everything lined up and bolted up. But (however!) the dogbone rests on the catatronalizer (which I also had to pound with a hammer and bar to get the right side plate in). My son was like, "Cut the fooker off and replace it with a collector, but I was too lazy to do that.
So - if I undo the plates and dogbone, can I undo the lower eye and wind it in, or are you saying it needs supranormal tools of a kind we mortals don't have access to? unsure.gif blink.gif
I was thinking I could do what I just said, then install the doggonnit and plates so the bottom eye is oriented right, then lastly tighten the locknut on the shock.
It rides OK like it is, but having a 9mm longer shock than Honda san intended is probably less than desirable.
Mine took less than an hour to install, start to finish. I have a 99 though, no catalytic. Put a 3/4 inch peice of mdf under the rear wheel before starting, unbolted the top but left the nut on, undid the three bolts below, the removed the upper nut, dropped the shock out.
With the shock out I removed the upper mount, and put it on the new shock. Fed the new shock in through the bottom, played a bit with the upper mount to get it to clear everything, fed it through its mount hole and started the nut. I then put the plates back on as they came off and found the shock to be too long. I took the 3/4 inch mdf out from under the rear wheel, lined up the swingarm bolt and put it in, then the dogbone bolt, then finally the shock bolt. Fished the resevoir through the frame and mounted it on the front of the rear peg mount initially.
Then I reversed the triangle plates to get the wheel off of the ground. Did this on my own, lying on the garage floor. Was actually very easy to do. But, I cannot get a 24 mm wrench in there to loosen the lower eye with the shock on the bike. There is no room to move the wrench. The locknut is a half thickness nut, and is lined up with the nut that is formed onto the shock, and the wrench has to sit on an angle to get to the nut, and that angle causes the wrench to also grab the base of the shock. If the nut was not lined up perfectly, I may be able to turn the lock nut. But it is not. I will take it back out later this month when I get it on the hoist for the fork removal and upgrade.
That's interesting, Mr Bear.
I thought I had it sussed - couldn't find out from the Interdweeb what the VFR800's suspension specifications were, BUT from the parts fiche, the 98/99 and 00/01 shock absorbers have different part numbers. So, I figured that maybe the 98/99 were 325 mm, and the 00/01 were 316mm.
But you've just blown that idea out of the water. It seems that despite sites like Ohlins' saying that the shock length is 325mm, maybe it IS only 316mm, for all 1998-2001 VFRs. unsure.gif
enzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 02:56 PMThat's interesting, Mr Bear.
I thought I had it sussed - couldn't find out from the Interdweeb what the VFR800's suspension specifications were, BUT from the parts fiche, the 98/99 and 00/01 shock absorbers have different part numbers. So, I figured that maybe the 98/99 were 325 mm, and the 00/01 were 316mm.
But you've just blown that idea out of the water. It seems that despite sites like Ohlins' saying that the shock length is 325mm, maybe it IS only 316mm, for all 1998-2001 VFRs. unsure.gif
When we brought in the 5th gen VFR here in the shop for R&D, the stock length was 325mm.
Trooper, Nov 8 2007, 04:53 PMenzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 02:56 PMThat's interesting, Mr Bear.
I thought I had it sussed - couldn't find out from the Interdweeb what the VFR800's suspension specifications were, BUT from the parts fiche, the 98/99 and 00/01 shock absorbers have different part numbers. So, I figured that maybe the 98/99 were 325 mm, and the 00/01 were 316mm.
But you've just blown that idea out of the water. It seems that despite sites like Ohlins' saying that the shock length is 325mm, maybe it IS only 316mm, for all 1998-2001 VFRs. unsure.gif
When we brought in the 5th gen VFR here in the shop for R&D, the stock length was 325mm.
That should be right, now the 6th gen shock is around 316mm. fing02.gif
Baileyrock, Nov 9 2007, 11:56 AMTrooper, Nov 8 2007, 04:53 PM
When we brought in the 5th gen VFR here in the shop for R&D, the stock length was 325mm.
That should be right, now the 6th gen shock is around 316mm. fing02.gif
Hmmmmm.....
Hmmmmmmmmm..... mmmmmm.........mmmmmmmmmm........ comp13.gif
idea3.gif
Maybe my bike has a 6th Gen shock?
Anyway - it's neither here nor there. I really don't want it to sound like I'm unhappy because the shock is longer then the old one, because I'm
not.
I understood from the outset that Elka was making shocks for bikes they'd never made shocks for before, and I think they've done an outstanding job. The shock is (as the Brits say) "a very nice piece of kit", and I'm very happy with what I've got. I anticipated that the right-side reservoir mount wouldn't suit me/my bike, and so I'm not dismayed/annoyed/disappointed that it's been tricky. The VFR isn't the world's easiest bike to fettle, which probably explains why there's a bit of a dearth of aftermarket parts for it.
But, this is the VFR Discussion forum, and I'm discussing my experience: not to poke the finger at Elka, nor to complain about having to sort out the unexpected, but just to share what I've done, what I've learned, and to learn more.
I could have gone to the local Ohlins dealer and had them set my bike up, and they would've done a great job. But the nearest one is about 300km away from here, and they would've needed my bike for maybe a week, and it would've cost around twice what the bits I've bought have cost.
I have no hesitation in recommending Elka Suspension and Motoworld to other bikers (and in fact, I have done so). I have a friend here who may be interested in setting up a Blackbird group shock buy sometime soon.
enzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 04:20 PMBaileyrock, Nov 9 2007, 11:56 AMTrooper, Nov 8 2007, 04:53 PM
When we brought in the 5th gen VFR here in the shop for R&D, the stock length was 325mm.
That should be right, now the 6th gen shock is around 316mm. fing02.gif
Hmmmmm.....
Hmmmmmmmmm..... mmmmmm.........mmmmmmmmmm........ comp13.gif
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Maybe my bike has a 6th Gen shock?
Anyway - it's neither here nor there. I really don't want it to sound like I'm unhappy because the shock is longer then the old one, because I'm not.
I understood from the outset that Elka was making shocks for bikes they'd never made shocks for before, and I think they've done an outstanding job. The shock is (as the Brits say) "a very nice piece of kit", and I'm very happy with what I've got. I anticipated that the right-side reservoir mount wouldn't suit me/my bike, and so I'm not dismayed/annoyed/disappointed that it's been tricky. The VFR isn't the world's easiest bike to fettle, which probably explains why there's a bit of a dearth of aftermarket parts for it.
But, this is the VFR Discussion forum, and I'm discussing my experience: not to poke the finger at Elka, nor to complain about having to sort out the unexpected, but just to share what I've done, what I've learned, and to learn more.
I could have gone to the local Ohlins dealer and had them set my bike up, and they would've done a great job. But the nearest one is about 300km away from here, and they would've needed my bike for maybe a week, and it would've cost around twice what the bits I've bought have cost.
I have no hesitation in recommending Elka Suspension and Motoworld to other bikers (and in fact, I have done so). I have a friend here who may be interested in setting up a Blackbird group shock buy sometime soon.
enzed_viffer,
I believe one of the reason Elka has had the kind of success we have is because we listen and consider what our customers have to say. Public forums exist to share your experiences with people who share a common passion whether positive or negative. Our engineers are human also ( I know its hard to believe) but YOU guys are the VFR experts...not us. We had 2 VFR's in here for a total of 2 weeks and did our very best to come up with a good solution to solve where most stock vehicles are lacking. Of course, I trust our engineers whole heartedly and they considered every possibility when designing as to the placement of the resevoirs, the spring rates to use, the valving...everything.
Bottom line is that you have to be happy with the money you spent on this, and it sound like you are , but ultimately it is Elka's responsibility to make that happen.
Regards,
John
Elka Suspension
Haven't put mine on my 6th gen yet, but since I chopped my rear pegs, I'm wondering if anyone else has found a location for the left reservoir and is it okay to install it horizontally? Never carry a passenger....
Absolutely a beautiful piece of 'kit'!!! fing02.gif fing02.gif
Greg
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Good morning,
Myself and a friend insatlled the ELKA shock in last night twice! The first round we got to the side plates of the triangle on a reilazed it just was not going to work. Out it came into the vice to turn down the end joint to the max. The shock was still longer than stock but close. I could have got a few more mm but the end joint bottomed out. I thought about cutting it off but figured I would give it another shot as 1 or 2mm shouldn't make that much differnce. It was a tight fit but we got it in. With the bike on the center stand the dog bone sits on the cat. Next time it is out I might do some body work to the cat.
A friend of mine needed some help to move a tv so that is where we quit for the night. Resivoir location still not picked yet. Under seat maybe?
I hope this helps others prior to there install to check shock length and get it close.
One question for John. On the bottom end joint is ther supposed to be a small area without theards?
I should have taken a picture of it but too late now! Just wanted to get it in.
Veefer Madness, Nov 10 2007, 04:01 AMHaven't put mine on my 6th gen yet, but since I chopped my rear pegs, I'm wondering if anyone else has found a location for the left reservoir and is it okay to install it horizontally? Never carry a passenger....
Absolutely a beautiful piece of 'kit'!!! fing02.gif fing02.gif
Greg
Ontarioflag.gif
I wondered about wheter it mattered what the orientation of the reservoir was, but apparently it doesn't. If you look on Elka's website, there's actually a picture of a bike (Suzuki??) with the reservoir horizontal. Plus Dutchy's Wilbers reservoir is also mounted like this. Mine is currently horizontal, and under the seat. (I know the 6th Gen is different, but this might help someone). The hose goes out to the left above the chainguard, then uder the left-side rear cowl, and under the top rear subframe. (I'll try to post some pix later). The reservoir is then perfectly orientated/positioned so it fits in the hollow behind the battery - where my PCII used to live. dry.gif (It now lives in the tail, in front of the tailights).
The only potential downside to this is it's a tight fit, so I .... er.... um... heated the seat pan above it to melting point, and pushed it up with an appropriately sized/shaped can to make a little more room. With all the warnings about not tightening the mounts on the reservoir too much in case they damage it, I thought this might be prudent. unsure.gif
I'm waiting fro John @ Elka to get back to me about what the servoir's made of, and how strong it is. I may have to move it to the right-hand pillion peg after all, but don't really want to.
combine pilot, Nov 9 2007, 07:12 AMGood morning,
Myself and a friend insatlled the ELKA shock in last night twice! The first round we got to the side plates of the triangle on a reilazed it just was not going to work. Out it came into the vice to turn down the end joint to the max. The shock was still longer than stock but close. I could have got a few more mm but the end joint bottomed out. I thought about cutting it off but figured I would give it another shot as 1 or 2mm shouldn't make that much differnce. It was a tight fit but we got it in. With the bike on the center stand the dog bone sits on the cat. Next time it is out I might do some body work to the cat.
A friend of mine needed some help to move a tv so that is where we quit for the night. Resivoir location still not picked yet. Under seat maybe?
I hope this helps others prior to there install to check shock length and get it close.
One question for John. On the bottom end joint is ther supposed to be a small area without theards?
I should have taken a picture of it but too late now! Just wanted to get it in.
If you are having a problem with all the holes lining up the top of triangle has a part # stamped on it. Put all the bolts in that match up. The last one will probably not line up unless you are extremely lucky. Make a lever. I used a two by four scrap and a four by four scrap. Put this under the rear tire and lift it until the last whole lines up. If you're doing this by your self, the four by four scrap is used the hold the lever in position while you stab the last bolt. fing02.gif
Well, bar some fine-tuning of the rebound and compression damping settings, it's all sorted.
On Saturday, I bought a 24mm wrench, removed the lower link bolts, wound the ride-height adjustment as far in as it would go, and bolted it all back together. Next, I checked how tight things were for the reservoir under the seat (put some squishable things on top of the reservoir, replaced the seat, bounced up and down on it, then checked it. It was only just slightly too cramped on the far end of the reservoir.
Then something happened. idea3.gif
Because I was doing this after only a few hours of household chores, instead of late at night, my brain actually worked!
I got some pieces of 2.5mm rubber I had left over from the mudflap I made to protect the new shock, cut them to size and glued them on top of the rubber blocks on the seat base.
Checked my clearance again: plentymuch. fing02.gif
The rest of the day (till about 7pm), I spent disassembling the front end. I drained the goop out of the forks, flushed with kerosene, then set about cutting some new spacers for the 0.95 springs I bought from Sonic Springs. Refilled the forks with Motorex 10W racing fork fluid to 130mm, and put everything back together. The instructions from Sonic were so good, and the set up from Elka so spot-on, that when I got the WifeAccountantPorcupinePillionist to help me measure the sag, without any adjustments at all the front came in at exactly 35 mm, and the rear at 30mm!
Yesterday I went for a bit of a ride, with the WifeAccountantPorcupinePillionist on board. The first impression was the front end felt kinda bouncy, whereas before it felt kind of unresponsive. (Huh... that sounds a little dodgy; I was referring to the bike, not the WAPP!)
I think that even with the 10W oil, it's slightly underdamped. Much of this may be attributable to the left-hand damper rod needing some overhauling, as it was noticeably less 'dampery' than the right-hand one when moved up and down.
This morning, I backed off the damping on the rear shock, and it felt a little more compliant. I'm using the handy-dandy settings record in the front of the Elka manual, which makes it easy to keep track of what I've done.
This shows the reservoir under the seat:
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You can see from this pic it fits nicely in the hollow behind the battery, and can't move around. The banjo bolt sitting in the cutout made for the u-lock stops it moving from side-to-side:
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The hose goes under the subframe rail, and behind the left-hand side of the cowl.
Here you can see the hose disappearing into the cowl, and to the right, the mudflap I made that drops down between the swingarm and tyre, protecting the shock. (Yeah, I need to swap some of the s/steel bolts for shorter ones).
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There are no sharp kinks in the hose, the compression damper control's easy to get at, nothing's near any hot exhaust or engine parts, and everything's protected from knocks and from road spooge flung off the rear tyre.
OK finally got around to taking some pics of my 6th gen install:
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What a shame to hide such a work of art!
enzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 07:53 PMThe puzzling thing about my install is that the shock is 325mm eye-to-eye, which from what I can find out on the Interdweeb is the correct length for the 5th-Gen VFR, yet the standard Showa shock on my bike is 316mm. So squeezing it in was a mission, and the ride height is "maxed out", with the rear wheel on the ground when the bike is on the centrestand.
Weird... unsure.gif
325mm??!!! Isnt that that's the correct legnth eye to eye for a 4th gen?! I was left out of this group buy because no 4th genners would sign up with me. Now I learn that the shock issued for the 5th gen is the right legnth for the 4th anyway. What's going on here???! blink.gif huh.gif
Damitol, I'm bummed to the max after reading this. I really really wanted to try out the Elka on my bike and also take advantage of a group buy bargain.... sad.gif
Will I ever find a good NEW shock for my 95 that won't make me a poor man?? sad.gif
Beck, Nov 11 2007, 04:29 PMenzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 07:53 PMThe puzzling thing about my install is that the shock is 325mm eye-to-eye, which from what I can find out on the Interdweeb is the correct length for the 5th-Gen VFR, yet the standard Showa shock on my bike is 316mm. So squeezing it in was a mission, and the ride height is "maxed out", with the rear wheel on the ground when the bike is on the centrestand.
Weird... unsure.gif
325mm??!!! Isnt that that's the correct legnth eye to eye for a 4th gen?! I was left out of this group buy because no 4th genners would sign up with me. Now I learn that the shock issued for the 5th gen is the right legnth for the 4th anyway. What's going on here???! blink.gif huh.gif
Damitol, I'm bummed to the max after reading this. I really really wanted to try out the Elka on my bike and also take advantage of a group buy bargain.... sad.gif
Will I ever find a good NEW shock for my 95 that won't make me a poor man?? sad.gif
Beck if you are willing to try the 5th gen shock, contact Vlad, seeing as you were on the list in the first place, maybe John at Elka will let you still purchase.
radar, Nov 11 2007, 11:34 PMBeck, Nov 11 2007, 04:29 PMenzed_viffer, Nov 8 2007, 07:53 PMThe puzzling thing about my install is that the shock is 325mm eye-to-eye, which from what I can find out on the Interdweeb is the correct length for the 5th-Gen VFR, yet the standard Showa shock on my bike is 316mm. So squeezing it in was a mission, and the ride height is "maxed out", with the rear wheel on the ground when the bike is on the centrestand.
Weird... unsure.gif
325mm??!!! Isnt that that's the correct legnth eye to eye for a 4th gen?! I was left out of this group buy because no 4th genners would sign up with me. Now I learn that the shock issued for the 5th gen is the right legnth for the 4th anyway. What's going on here???! blink.gif huh.gif
Damitol, I'm bummed to the max after reading this. I really really wanted to try out the Elka on my bike and also take advantage of a group buy bargain.... sad.gif
Will I ever find a good NEW shock for my 95 that won't make me a poor man?? sad.gif
Beck if you are willing to try the 5th gen shock, contact Vlad, seeing as you were on the list in the first place, maybe John at Elka will let you still purchase.
I'll have to find the money again before I could even consider any new shock purchase. Maybe a Christmas bonus from work can make it happen!
Beck
95 VFR
Well, finally had my Elka install yesterday. I think it added half an inch to the ride height. It took me and my brother two hours for the install. It took us awhile because this is the first time we actually had worked on a bike. Completely newbie to this stuff.
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Although I've ridden my bike most days since the Elka install, yesterday was the first ride on 'proper' roads (previous riding was either motorway or UrbanKommuterKaos, or two-up with the WifeAccountantPorcupinePillionist). It was only a short ride, with another guy on a K5 GSXR1000, but I was kinda amazed at how composed the bike felt. Whereas on urban roads or the motorway it felt somewhat "over suspensioned", on the crappy, twisty, somewhat bumpy rural roads it just felt very stable and well-behaved. fing02.gif
Of interest: We were talking after having a coffee at a cafe in an orchard, and this guy came up to ask if we had an ordinary slot-end type screwdriver. Dan the GSXR rider, had no tools at all, so I took off the cowl, and fished out the screwdriver, suffering Dan's derision in the process, at all the 'junk' under the seat: "You meet the nicest dweebs on a Honda!" (He'll look pretty silly when he breaks down or summat falls off and I pretend I don't have any tools, a pump, or any of my "dweeby" junk).
Anyway, Dan left, so I went to see how Mr Screwdriver was getting on with his bike. It was a fairly ratty looking VF1000R or VFR1000 or whatever they're called, that was running on only 2 cylinders, so he wanted to drain the carbs. That done, he fired it up, and after a bit of throat-clearing, it roared (bellowed?) into life. Man, it was LOUD!! It turned out he hadn't had many bikes, and his previous one was a Suzuki GN250, the ubiquitous starter/learner bike in Noo Zilund. (I've never owned one, but I rode one once - very easy to ride, but also very basic and not very powerful).
Mr Screwdriver (I forgot his real name) said he was still coming to terms with the power. He'd thought it very powerful after the GN250, then he discovered it was running on only 2 cylinders. ohmy.gif
He was also having trouble being smooth and taking off gently - his back tyre was kind a squared off, and he'd gone through a tyre a month! Luckily, he was paying only NZ$130/tyre (about US$7.28), so he wasn't being bankrupted by the VF's corrupting power. goofy.gif
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