Another 7th Gen Idea -- Vfr990

Having seen so many 7th generation ideas floating around -- some claiming to be authentic factory press releases or even spy images -- I thought I would take a crack at it too. Having owned an '85 VF750R, a '94 VFR750 and an '00 VFR800, I too am among the anxious speculators waiting to see what Honda will do to satisfy us -- or disappoint us.

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A more horizontal look is what I would like to see...
Maybe Honda will be the first to get away from the dated "butt-up" look that is now incorporated in every sportbike.
I think the 7th generation VFR should look like the refined sport-touring machine that it is. Remember when the magazines used to call it "the gentleman's express?"
And, Hopefully they will pay attention to their customer base and return the trademark gear-driven cams to the V-4.

Some refinements: New muffler look, front clip from 1000RR with ABS, improved wind screen, 990cc 130 RWHP motor with gear-driven cams. Oh... and 50 pounds lighter.

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VFR990 with "factory" bags added.

Hmm, interesting. I'd lose the underseat mufflers and go low a la Buell (sure you lose the centrestand, but Honda will include a zipwowie EZ Up shop stand with every purchase, right Honda? :unsure: ) big weight savings there and better mass centralization.
I like the old wing tank badge concept - maybe modernized a bit - speaking of tanks, looks like the capacity may be down due to the shape - can't lose that 200+ mile range.
But methinks a new bike deserves new wheels, no? How 'bout some shaweet custom Marchesini's for a change?
While we're at it, bollox the laminar lip on the 'shield and puhlease give us some colour options - assphalt gray is so passe <_<
The bag shape is a cool concept, but capacity may not be the greatest...
A fair effort - now as for reality... :joystick:

Does this new bike have VTec?
But more importantly, does it have an adjustable gearlever, brake pedal, seat and handlebars?

I like what you did but if you want gear driven cams, slap a gear driven cams decal on the bike (maybe up on the fairing like an '86). But do it quickly before Honda Corporate looks at it and goes with the V-Tec.

Those bags are ridiculous. You'll never see gear driven cams again due to noise restrictions. More power would be great, but my mileage is already pretty poor when I'm having fun... there's sacrifice there...

Radial brakes would be great, but tough to retrofit with Honda's current linked brake system, they could go digital with the brakes, but I might wait for them to figure out their wiring issues first. :joystick:

My personal choice would be for them to leave the VTEC as-is, with the exception of adding full adjustments to the suspension. Supplement the VTEC with an all-new VFR; and bring the "R" back. A V4-RR. A kick-ass younger brother to the RC45. Real suspension. Light frame and wheels. Low CoG. CBR600RR ergos. 115-120hp. Price it around 13K to keep the squids at bay, but keep it in reach of the everyday rider. Back it up with some real marketing.

Get cracking Honda!!

I'll go along with the bring back an RR.... Heck if it were limited that would be fine, perhaps not so
limited as the last RC's. Heck I would be happy if they just came out with an HRC kit for the VFR
like they are going to have with the new 1000 and already have with the 600. New plastics, upgraded
breaks, suspension, full HRC fuel mapping and injecters, more aggressive cams, the whole saaaahbang :wheel: :beer:

[image: View Post]enzed_viffer, on Oct 25 2007, 11:59 PM, said:

Does this new bike have VTec?
But more importantly, does it have an adjustable gearlever, brake pedal, seat and handlebars?

Attention:
This bike is not real -- it can have anything you want it to have. If you don't like something about it, consider it gone.

Looks like you can do prety good job with photoshop so why you dit not try to chanche the design?

I love some of the prints available at your site.

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 25 2007, 06:02 PM, said:

More power would be great, but my mileage is already pretty poor when I'm having fun... there's sacrifice there...

Aren't there are a number of bikes with more power and better mileage than the VFR? The weight is part of that, the VFR could (should) be 80-100 lb lighter.

[image: View Post]FLYONWALL9, on Oct 25 2007, 06:54 PM, said:

I'll go along with the bring back an RR.... Heck if it were limited that would be fine, perhaps not so
limited as the last RC's. Heck I would be happy if they just came out with an HRC kit for the VFR
like they are going to have with the new 1000 and already have with the 600. New plastics, upgraded
breaks, suspension, full HRC fuel mapping and injecters, more aggressive cams, the whole saaaahbang :wheel: :beer:

Maybe double the cost of the bike?

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[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 25 2007, 06:02 PM, said:

More power would be great, but my mileage is already pretty poor when I'm having fun... there's sacrifice there...

Aren't there are a number of bikes with more power and better mileage than the VFR? The weight is part of that, the VFR could (should) be 80-100 lb lighter.


I agree, but part of the Interceptor 'feel' that so many of us have fallen in love with is not just the sound of the motor, but the overall ride, meaning the way it goes down the road, how stable it is in the corners, the neutral(not sharp, not lazy) handling, etc. The weight of the bike plays into those factors, and the VFR has always been a heavy bike.

That's why I think the VFR Interceptor should stay as-is, and the VF-RR(or whatever they'd call it) should/could be the sports model sold along side the CBR's with lower weight, sharper handling, more power, etc, etc, bla bla bla.

I'm pretty sure I'd own both, my VFR does everything I want it to do, and my CBR fills in the voids. If I could get a pure sports bike with a V4, I would.

I really think the Vfr will remain an 800 via MotoGP, but if it gets a power boost without Mpg loss I'd be interested, but can make do with what I have otherwise. If it becomes a 1000 but gives up MPG I wouldnt be interested.

Inverted forks , the seals do not hold up as well as uprights

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 27 2007, 08:33 AM, said:

That's why I think the VFR Interceptor should stay as-is, and the VF-RR(or whatever they'd call it) should/could be the sports model sold along side the CBR's with lower weight, sharper handling, more power, etc, etc, bla bla bla.

I'm pretty sure I'd own both, my VFR does everything I want it to do, and my CBR fills in the voids. If I could get a pure sports bike with a V4, I would.

You're not the only one. If Honda made a 750/800 V-4 supersport, I'd give my Gixxer away to have it. Keep the sport-touring bike as the VFR800F and make the supersport the VFR800R Interceptor. The Interceptor moniker belongs on a supersport not a sport-tourer.

[image: View Post]melvis, on Oct 25 2007, 11:47 PM, said:

Hmm, interesting. I'd lose the underseat mufflers and go low a la Buell (sure you lose the centrestand, but Honda will include a zipwowie EZ Up shop stand with every purchase, right Honda? :unsure: ) big weight savings there and better mass centralization.
Haven't seen an underslung muffler that looks good yet. The new Buell's system strikes me as a particularly ugly one. Shapeless lumpy, black mass stuck to the bottom of the bike with two very uninteresting looking chromed tubes just stcking out of one side, almost arbitrarily. I do agree that underseat systems seem to be overdone by all companies to the point that it does not look that interesting anymore. I'd rather see a classic high left system brought back for the VFR as done on competition RC30s and 45s, with the single can and not the heavy, sometimes clunky looking double shotgun systems.
I'm really liking the old tank wing badge very much though.

Beck
95 VFR

how about the Duke III

for the underslung exhaust?

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Honda should simply keep as much of the current bike as they can. Redesign the frame to accept the ST1300 engine, turned 90 degees, sleeved down to 1000 cc and hot rodded so 125 rear wheel horsepower is available. It shouldn't be that tough for the factory to do this...the hardest part would be the final drive and they should keep the shaft.

Oh, then increase the fuel capacity to say 6.5 gallons, add adjustable seat, footpegs, windscreen and handlebars. Then call it a day. They could even keep the current bike as an entry level sport tourer.

Then they could redesign the ST and make it a 14 or 1500.

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part of the Interceptor 'feel' that so many of us have fallen in love with is not just the sound of the motor, but the overall ride, meaning the way it goes down the road, how stable it is in the corners, the neutral(not sharp, not lazy) handling, etc.

Neutral handling. I think that's why the VFR feels so good. It is much more forgiving of spastic or ham handed, or just imprecise control inputs.
Compare to say, my CBR954, which demands precision, and rewards with sharp handling.
Also punishing with sharp handling if you lack the fine touch at the controls. More agility, less stability.
The VFR feels good almost all the time. The CBR feels super sweet if you are on, but twitchy or turns in too fast if I'm having a less than locked on day. :goofy:

Really I just need to empty my mind of all thoughts, except bike and road. I am 1 with bike. Ommm... :idea3:

[image: View Post]Flightar, on Nov 23 2007, 09:50 AM, said:

Honda should simply keep as much of the current bike as they can. Redesign the frame to accept the ST1300 engine, turned 90 degees, sleeved down to 1000 cc and hot rodded so 125 rear wheel horsepower is available. It shouldn't be that tough for the factory to do this...the hardest part would be the final drive and they should keep the shaft.

Oh, then increase the fuel capacity to say 6.5 gallons, add adjustable seat, footpegs, windscreen and handlebars. Then call it a day. They could even keep the current bike as an entry level sport tourer.

Then they could redesign the ST and make it a 14 or 1500.

I can't wait. I'm buying a crashed ST and making my own VFR1300. OK, it's shaft drive, has cam chains and no SSS but it's fuel injected and has a 360 degree crankshaft. And of course, it'll be red. :P

[image: View Post]rhubarb, on Nov 24 2007, 09:05 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Flightar, on Nov 23 2007, 09:50 AM, said:

Honda should simply keep as much of the current bike as they can. Redesign the frame to accept the ST1300 engine, turned 90 degees, sleeved down to 1000 cc and hot rodded so 125 rear wheel horsepower is available. It shouldn't be that tough for the factory to do this...the hardest part would be the final drive and they should keep the shaft.

Oh, then increase the fuel capacity to say 6.5 gallons, add adjustable seat, footpegs, windscreen and handlebars. Then call it a day. They could even keep the current bike as an entry level sport tourer.

Then they could redesign the ST and make it a 14 or 1500.

I can't wait. I'm buying a crashed ST and making my own VFR1300. OK, it's shaft drive, has cam chains and no SSS but it's fuel injected and has a 360 degree crankshaft. And of course, it'll be red. :P


:lurk:

The beginning of a long project...

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[image: View Post]rhubarb, on Nov 24 2007, 11:59 PM, said:

The beginning of a long project...

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I really hope you're joking... :goofy:

Although I did see an ST that was street-fightered once; the owner did a nice job on it... forget where I saw it... maybe in the my last issue of Red Rider? Hmm...

Nice work Vguy. Many ways to go. :thumbsup:


Seb, it would be VFR-R not VF-RR. :salesman:

[image: View Post]Baileyrock, on Nov 25 2007, 10:46 AM, said:

Nice work Vguy. Many ways to go. :thumbsup:


Seb, it would be VFR-R not VF-RR. :salesman:

Whatever. As long as I can call it MINE! :goofy:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Nov 25 2007, 12:09 AM, said:

I really hope you're joking... :goofy:

Hahaha...No.

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Nov 25 2007, 12:09 AM, said:

Although I did see an ST that was street-fightered once; the owner did a nice job on it... forget where I saw it... maybe in the my last issue of Red Rider? Hmm...

That'd be this one...

http://bunnypunia.blogspot.com/2007/08/hon...eetfighter.html

I'm thinkin' more like this one...

http://www.hoc.org.u...reetfighter.jpg

No gear driven cams due to noise restrictions?...I beg to differ. It is a cost issue, my friend. Value engineering was the death of the beloved gear driven cams. They are expensive.

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 25 2007, 08:02 PM, said:

Those bags are ridiculous. You'll never see gear driven cams again due to noise restrictions. More power would be great, but my mileage is already pretty poor when I'm having fun... there's sacrifice there...

Radial brakes would be great, but tough to retrofit with Honda's current linked brake system, they could go digital with the brakes, but I might wait for them to figure out their wiring issues first. :joystick:

My personal choice would be for them to leave the VTEC as-is, with the exception of adding full adjustments to the suspension. Supplement the VTEC with an all-new VFR; and bring the "R" back. A V4-RR. A kick-ass younger brother to the RC45. Real suspension. Light frame and wheels. Low CoG. CBR600RR ergos. 115-120hp. Price it around 13K to keep the squids at bay, but keep it in reach of the everyday rider. Back it up with some real marketing.

Get cracking Honda!!