I couldnt find anything on a search so..
I took my rear wheel off and 2 of the lug nut studs have this white powdery stuff on them.i looked on the internet and its call "white rust" caused from the zinc coating oxidising.anyone else seen this stuff and is somthing i should be concerned about?i cleaned as much as i could and put antisieze on it.
[image: View Post]eric29, on Aug 24 2008, 01:31 PM, said:
I couldnt find anything on a search so..
I took my rear wheel off and 2 of the lug nut studs have this white powdery stuff on them.i looked on the internet and its call "white rust" caused from the zinc coating oxidising.anyone else seen this stuff and is somthing i should be concerned about?i cleaned as much as i could and put antisieze on it.
What u did is probably fine!!
If your axle looks like this then it is suffering the effects of corrosion... mainly due to riding in the rain
and hitting your prize with a garden hose... both acts abuse a bike because it promotes corrosion in all
the little nooks and crannies... Pat lives in California and doesn't rain ride at all but just look at his RC30
axle after repeated sprays with the garden hose... pitfull as the metal is etched for life... BTW you might
wish to pull the axle and check the sprocket side as well... the cush drive is another moisture trap...
Before
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1202219323/gallery_3131_51_80031.jpg
After
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/115/304763372_4327ed5b95_o.jpg
5th Gen VFR
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1203990966/gallery_3131_51_44321.jpg
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1203990966/gallery_3131_51_11731.jpg
yea i never ride in the rain but wash it with the hose.it doesnt bother me only if its going to make somthing fail dangerously.
I would not use antisieze on lugnuts
clean threads with wirebrush and wd-40
[image: View Post]eric29, on Aug 24 2008, 11:25 AM, said:
yea i never ride in the rain but wash it with the hose.it doesnt bother me only if its going to make somthing fail dangerously.
By definition corrosion is the break down of essential properties of strenght in a metal due to the chemical
reactions with moisture... basically if a VFR axle is going to fail then one with corrosion will fail first...
[image: View Post]eatmyfootpeg, on Aug 24 2008, 11:28 AM, said:
I would not use antisieze on lugnuts
Why???
i only put antisieze on the part that had the white stuff on it.you could tell how far the lug nuts thread onto the bolts so i didnt put it their.
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 24 2008, 02:40 PM, said:
[image: View Post]eatmyfootpeg, on Aug 24 2008, 11:28 AM, said:
I would not use antisieze on lugnuts
Why???
Because you'll overtorque the lug nuts. The manufacturer's torque specification (80 lb-ft for VFR) is for clean, dry fittings.
[image: View Post]checksix, on Aug 24 2008, 11:46 AM, said:
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 24 2008, 02:40 PM, said:
[image: View Post]eatmyfootpeg, on Aug 24 2008, 11:28 AM, said:
I would not use antisieze on lugnuts
Why???
Because you'll overtorque the lug nuts. The manufacturer's torque specification (80 lb-ft for VFR) is for clean, dry fittings.
Can you scan the page of the manual that states clean dry threads???
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 25 2008, 01:17 AM, said:
[image: View Post]checksix, on Aug 24 2008, 11:46 AM, said:
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 24 2008, 02:40 PM, said:
[image: View Post]eatmyfootpeg, on Aug 24 2008, 11:28 AM, said:
I would not use antisieze on lugnuts
Why???
Because you'll overtorque the lug nuts. The manufacturer's torque specification (80 lb-ft for VFR) is for clean, dry fittings.
Can you scan the page of the manual that states clean dry threads???
Do a web search for "dry torque". You'll see that torque spec's are generally given for "dry" threads and must be reduced for "lubricated" threads.
For example here:
http://www.swtc.edu/...ue%20values.pdf
here:
http://raskcycle.com...p/webdoc14.html
and here:
http://www.triumphra...nd-on-this.html
[image: View Post]checksix, on Aug 25 2008, 09:30 AM, said:
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 25 2008, 01:17 AM, said:
[image: View Post]checksix, on Aug 24 2008, 11:46 AM, said:
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 24 2008, 02:40 PM, said:
[image: View Post]eatmyfootpeg, on Aug 24 2008, 11:28 AM, said:
I would not use antisieze on lugnuts
Why???
Because you'll overtorque the lug nuts. The manufacturer's torque specification (80 lb-ft for VFR) is for clean, dry fittings.
Can you scan the page of the manual that states clean dry threads???
Do a web search for "dry torque". You'll see that torque spec's are generally given for "dry" threads and must be reduced for "lubricated" threads.
For example here:
http://www.swtc.edu/...ue%20values.pdf
here:
http://raskcycle.com...p/webdoc14.html
and here:
http://www.triumphra...nd-on-this.html
Wow... A little overboard if you ask me... I could see if you are tightening head bolts or more sensitive parts that require clearances, but for lugs and the such... I believe it will be just fine!!
Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that the wheel would implode or spin off on the road if you greased the lug nuts. I was just talking about torque spec's in general.
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 25 2008, 07:17 AM, said:
Can you scan the page of the manual that states clean dry threads???
Page 1-9 of the Honda common service manual.
Antisieze or loctite or whatever you want to put on your bolts will not hurt anything. Just subtract 10% for the specified torque numbers in the manual and you will be fine.
[image: View Post]checksix, on Aug 25 2008, 06:30 AM, said:
Do a web search for "dry torque". You'll see that torque spec's are generally given for "dry" threads and must be reduced for "lubricated" threads.
For example here:
http://www.swtc.edu/...ue%20values.pdf
here:
http://raskcycle.com...p/webdoc14.html
and here:
http://www.triumphra...nd-on-this.html
I've been properly trained on dry versus wet torque so I'm well aware of the differences... I want to
read the warning where Honda states dry torque only for the lug nuts...
[image: View Post]Darth Bling, on Aug 25 2008, 10:54 AM, said:
Antisieze or loctite or whatever you want to put on your bolts will not hurt anything. Just subtract 10% for the specified torque numbers in the manual and you will be fine.
Not sure I would be suggesting Loctite anywhere near Lug Nuts
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 25 2008, 03:41 PM, said:
I've been properly trained on dry versus wet torque so I'm well aware of the differences... I want to
read the warning where Honda states dry torque only for the lug nuts...
Easy guy! No disrespect was implied or intended. I'm not a mechanic, just a retired computer programmer.
I never said that there was a specific warning about dry torque only for lug nuts.
My copy of Honda's "Common Service Manual" has this to say on page 1-14 of "General Information":
"It is important to oil the threads of specific fasteners when instructed to do so in the Model Specific manual. Oiling the threads of these fasteners ensures stable fastening tension in critical areas. No other bolts besides those specifically pointed out in the Model Specific service manual text require oil on their threads".
I think this is starting to turn into an oil thread :-)
[image: View Post]Tightwad, on Aug 25 2008, 12:58 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Darth Bling, on Aug 25 2008, 10:54 AM, said:
Antisieze or loctite or whatever you want to put on your bolts will not hurt anything. Just subtract 10% for the specified torque numbers in the manual and you will be fine.
Not sure I would be suggesting Loctite anywhere near Lug Nuts
Agreed! Loctite should most definitely probably never be used on lug nuts (or lug bolts if you have those on your car).
[image: View Post]Darth Bling, on Aug 25 2008, 05:00 PM, said:
Loctite should most definitely probably never be used on lug nuts (or lug bolts if you have those on your car).
Be aware that Loctite is a brand name (not a product) and they make many different chemicals. The original poster may have been refering to Loctite "Anti-Sieze" compound, or Loctite "Threadlocker", or Loctite "Thread Sealant". Who knows?
The point I am trying to make is that Loctite is very generic, due to the scope of the Henkel corporation. To say Loctite is not the same as saying "Threadlocker".
[image: View Post]checksix, on Aug 25 2008, 01:01 PM, said:
[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 25 2008, 03:41 PM, said:
I've been properly trained on dry versus wet torque so I'm well aware of the differences... I want to
read the warning where Honda states dry torque only for the lug nuts...
Easy guy! No disrespect was implied or intended. I'm not a mechanic, just a retired computer programmer.
I never said that there was a specific warning about dry torque only for lug nuts.
My copy of Honda's "Common Service Manual" has this to say on page 1-14 of "General Information":
"It is important to oil the threads of specific fasteners when instructed to do so in the Model Specific manual. Oiling the threads of these fasteners ensures stable fastening tension in critical areas. No other bolts besides those specifically pointed out in the Model Specific service manual text require oil on their threads".
I think this is starting to turn into an oil thread :-)
No disrespect taken... thanks for posting the info...
[image: View Post]Lee 2002, on Aug 25 2008, 05:16 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Darth Bling, on Aug 25 2008, 05:00 PM, said:
Loctite should most definitely probably never be used on lug nuts (or lug bolts if you have those on your car).
Be aware that Loctite is a brand name (not a product) and they make many different chemicals. The original poster may have been refering to Loctite "Anti-Sieze" compound, or Loctite "Threadlocker", or Loctite "Thread Sealant". Who knows?
The point I am trying to make is that Loctite is very generic, due to the scope of the Henkel corporation. To say Loctite is not the same as saying "Threadlocker".
Kind of like Band-Aid and bandage....