Arrr... It's Vtec Folks!

I've just been perusing some threads in this section and it's finally pushed me over the edge to write this...

I've seen V-tec, vtech, vtek, V-TECH and about a dozen other ways to mangle it.

It's VTEC. It's an acronym (Variable Timing Electronic Control, or the full name which is Variable Valve Timing and Electronic Lift Control, which probably should be VVTELC, but that's harder to pronounce, but I digress).

The TEC part isn't short for Technology, so vtech makes no sense.

Okay, I'm feeling better now, the meds are kicking in.

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The English language word "pedant" comes from the French p�dant (1566 in Darme & Hatzfeldster's Dictionnaire g�n�ral de la langue fran�aise) or its older source Italian pedante "teacher, schoolmaster." (Compare the Spanish pedante.). The origin of the Italian pedante is uncertain, but multiple dictionaries suggest that it was contracted from the medieval Latin p�dagogans, present participle of p�dagogare "to act as pedagogue, to teach" (Du Cange).[1][2] The Latin word is derived from Greek παιδαγογός, < παιδ- "child" + αγειν "to lead", which originally referred to a slave who led children to and from school but later meant "a source of instruction or guidance".[3]

After I rode one I thought VTEC was an acronym for Vanishing Torque Engine Compartment...

I thought it was Valve Train Extra Complexity....

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[image: View Post]SpiralGray, on Jan 19 2009, 02:11 PM, said:

I've just been perusing some threads in this section and it's finally pushed me over the edge to write this...

I've seen V-tec, vtech, vtek, V-TECH and about a dozen other ways to mangle it.

It's VTEC. It's an acronym (Variable Timing Electronic Control, or the full name which is Variable Valve Timing and Electronic Lift Control, which probably should be VVTELC, but that's harder to pronounce, but I digress).

The TEC part isn't short for Technology, so vtech makes no sense.

Okay, I'm feeling better now, the meds are kicking in.



Well, If you're going to rant about people getting it wrong, you really should get it right yourself...

It is Variable Valve Timing & Lift Electronic Control System

veetek

[image: View Post]veefer800canuck, on Jan 19 2009, 02:17 PM, said:

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The English language word "pedant" comes from the French p�dant (1566 in Darme & Hatzfeldster's Dictionnaire g�n�ral de la langue fran�aise) or its older source Italian pedante "teacher, schoolmaster." (Compare the Spanish pedante.). The origin of the Italian pedante is uncertain, but multiple dictionaries suggest that it was contracted from the medieval Latin p�dagogans, present participle of p�dagogare "to act as pedagogue, to teach" (Du Cange).[1][2] The Latin word is derived from Greek παιδαγογός, < παιδ- "child" + αγειν "to lead", which originally referred to a slave who led children to and from school but later meant "a source of instruction or guidance".[3]


:laugh: LOL! :laugh: ROFL!

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

After I rode one I thought VTEC was an acronym for Vanishing Torque Engine Compartment...

I guess you must think that about the 5th gen too then since they have the same torque figures and the vtec VFR is heavier :schla15:

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 12:29 PM, said:

It is Variable Valve Timing & Lift Electronic Control System
AcronymFinder.com was broken earlier, so I relied on Wikipedia's entry for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC

AcronymFinder.com seems to be working again, and their def'n confirms that you are correct (or at the very least it is a valid alternative).

http://www.acronymfi...da)-(VTEC).html

Regardless, it's still VTEC, no hyphen, no 'h' at the end, no 'k.'

[image: View Post]SpiralGray, on Jan 19 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 12:29 PM, said:

It is Variable Valve Timing & Lift Electronic Control System
AcronymFinder.com was broken earlier, so I relied on Wikipedia's entry for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC

AcronymFinder.com seems to be working again, and their def'n confirms that you are correct (or at the very least it is a valid alternative).

http://www.acronymfi...da)-(VTEC).html

Regardless, it's still VTEC, no hyphen, no 'h' at the end, no 'k.'


A little slice of Honda history...


Thank god you didn't write "irregardless", don't get me started on that one...

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Thank god you didn't write "irregardless", don't get me started on that one...

What's wrong with that?

v-what!!! :blink:

Rice, on Jan 19 2009, 07:49 PM, said: CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said: Thank god you didn't write "irregardless", don't get me started on that one... What's wrong with that? :pissed: I hope you're kidding... Regardless is correct I believe SNL did one of their boston skits with Ben Affleck and Sully where they used irregardless. I can't find it, but I did find this...

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but the valves don't actully change their "timing" like a "true VariableValveTiming"
thing ie Honda cars. It's really a less sophisticated 2 or 4 thing. All of the valves stay "In time" Of course I've never
done a valve check so maybe I should take back the word "sophisticated"

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 20 2009, 12:17 AM, said:

[image: View Post]Rice, on Jan 19 2009, 07:49 PM, said:

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Thank god you didn't write "irregardless", don't get me started on that one...

What's wrong with that?


:pissed: I hope you're kidding... Regardless is correct

Regardless of what?

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb70/fotomotovfr/vtech-digital-camera.jpg

Any questions?

[image: View Post]veefer800canuck, on Jan 19 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

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[i] [b]The English language word "pedant"...
I prefer to think of it as "detail-oriented." :cool:

It's an occupational hazard in my line of work (software development), and possibly part the reason I've managed to stay employed through three recessions.

I likes my WeeTech but I don't like the valve check price.

Yup... It's winter.
:lurk:

sPOTO

[image: View Post]sPOTO, on Jan 19 2009, 09:17 PM, said:

Yup... It's winter.
:lurk:

sPOTO

Umm, 82f here today and luvin' it. Put it an all too short 162 miles this afternoon. :wheel:

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/public/style_images/light/snapback.png' alt='View Post' />FotoMoto, on Jan 19 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

Any questions?


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[image: View Post]vfr_steve, on Jan 19 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

After I rode one I thought VTEC was an acronym for Vanishing Torque Engine Compartment...

I guess you must think that about the 5th gen too then since they have the same torque figures and the vtec VFR is heavier :schla15:

Don't quess just ask...

Actually if you look at the badging Honda uses its VTEC in all caps... On EVERYTHING they put any type of VTEC in :491:

The VFR debate is pretty tame compared to the BMW M3 debate.. Four chassis's, four diffrent engines!

Heck We have VANOS in the BMW world :goofy:

Fist time i heard of VTEC, i thought you had to rush off to the doctors office and get some special cream to rub on it.

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Rice, on Jan 19 2009, 07:49 PM, said:

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Thank god you didn't write "irregardless", don't get me started on that one...

What's wrong with that?


:pissed: I hope you're kidding... Regardless is correct

I believe SNL did one of their boston skits with Ben Affleck and Sully where they used irregardless. I can't find it, but I did find this...

I speak English good, irregardless of what you think!

:laugh:

VTEC, its a name that doesn't apply to the 6th Gen VFR cause it doesn't vary the valves, it just changes how many are in use.
Personally, I'd rather just have all 4 valves running all the time

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Rice, on Jan 19 2009, 07:49 PM, said:

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Thank god you didn't write "irregardless", don't get me started on that one...

What's wrong with that?


:pissed: I hope you're kidding... Regardless is correct

I believe SNL did one of their boston skits with Ben Affleck and Sully where they used irregardless. I can't find it, but I did find this...

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Irregardless is a term meaning in spite of or anyway. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Irregardless was first acknowledged in 1912 by the Wentworth American Dialect Dictionary.

:laugh: :cool: :ph34r: :lurk:

[image: View Post]tx_vfr, on Jan 22 2009, 04:13 AM, said:

VTEC, its a name that doesn't apply to the 6th Gen VFR cause it doesn't vary the valves, it just changes how many are in use.
Personally, I'd rather just have all 4 valves running all the time

Yep me too, I cant understand why this can't be done but hey I'll leave that sort of thing to the experts. Having said that, vtec 9/10 is alot of fun, playful and anything but boring... it's just that odd time when you get a rough one, generally always on a straight when you let rip from low revs - but under/over or ON the transition point during a turn is NO problem at all... and it makes no difference at all with no leap of power on a steady throttle unlike the rumours.

[image: View Post]vfr_steve, on Jan 22 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

[image: View Post]tx_vfr, on Jan 22 2009, 04:13 AM, said:

VTEC, its a name that doesn't apply to the 6th Gen VFR cause it doesn't vary the valves, it just changes how many are in use.
Personally, I'd rather just have all 4 valves running all the time

Yep me too, I cant understand why this can't be done but hey I'll leave that sort of thing to the experts. Having said that, vtec 9/10 is alot of fun, playful and anything but boring... it's just that odd time when you get a rough one, generally always on a straight when you let rip from low revs - but under/over or ON the transition point during a turn is NO problem at all... and it makes no difference at all with no leap of power on a steady throttle unlike the rumours.
Mine has never been abrupt. After the valve clearance inspection/adjustment she is now butter smooth. I almost don't notice the change any more.
I still rarely get there, but thats not the bikes fault.

[image: View Post]vfr_steve, on Jan 22 2009, 01:34 AM, said:

Yep me too, I cant understand why this can't be done but hey I'll leave that sort of thing to the experts.

What ever silly thing Honda has done... it can be undone... VTEC should be removed and confined in the same
box of emission parts marked Foo Foo Rah...

[image: View Post]Rice, on Jan 21 2009, 11:22 PM, said:

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Rice, on Jan 19 2009, 07:49 PM, said:

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Thank god you didn't write "irregardless", don't get me started on that one...

What's wrong with that?


:pissed: I hope you're kidding... Regardless is correct

I believe SNL did one of their boston skits with Ben Affleck and Sully where they used irregardless. I can't find it, but I did find this...

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Irregardless is a term meaning in spite of or anyway. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Irregardless was first acknowledged in 1912 by the Wentworth American Dialect Dictionary.

:laugh: :cool: :ph34r: :lurk:


:offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic:

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Main Entry:
ir�re�gard�less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless
Pronunciation:
\ˌir-i-ˈg�rd-ləs\
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912

nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that �there is no such word.� There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

SOURCE: Merriam-Webster


There has been a recent shift in dictionary authoring from prescriptive to descriptive. If enough people use it incorrectly it will end up in a dictionary, although it will likely have the "nonstandard" designation you see above. Slang will also show in some dictionaries.

The point being that irregardless is a double negative and doesn't make logical sense. Rice, I thought you were an IT guy???

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If there are any shifts in the ways that dictionaries respond to the English language it is the general move from prescriptive to reflective. When Dr Johnson first published his Dictionary of the English Language he hoped to record the best that had been written and thought. Now the role of most dictionaries is to record what is used most commonly and to keep up with the pace of change. As Ms Treffry says: "It is no longer a rule book of what you can and cannot use. We simply describe what is going on."
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SOURCE


:laugh: :cool: :ph34r: :lurk:

I have bitched about VTECH in other threads, but I got to ride another bike recently and when the tach hit 67K "nothing" happened. That made me feel that somethingn was missing. In other owrds, I got used to it being there and it makes things a little more fun IMHO.

[image: View Post]CrazyInNYC, on Jan 22 2009, 12:40 PM, said:

The point being that irregardless is a double negative and doesn't make logical sense. Rice, I thought you were an IT guy???
Just messin whicha, man :biggrin:
It's winter and I gots to do somting :blush:
P.S.
BTW, feel free to use my facilities when you're ready. No charge.

thats so true Rice, once you've owned a vtec for a while, jump on another bike and when you give it the gas up top, if you don't hear that roar somehow it's just not the same.

Riding VTEC is like riding a bike possess... something else controls your powerband and you trip over the
dreaded step that's right in the middle...

''Riding VTEC is like riding a bike possess''


correct, the bike changes character and its a hell of alot of fun :biggrin:

[image: View Post]vfr_steve, on Jan 22 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

[image: View Post]tx_vfr, on Jan 22 2009, 04:13 AM, said:

VTEC, its a name that doesn't apply to the 6th Gen VFR cause it doesn't vary the valves, it just changes how many are in use.
Personally, I'd rather just have all 4 valves running all the time

Yep me too, I cant understand why this can't be done but hey I'll leave that sort of thing to the experts. Having said that, vtec 9/10 is alot of fun, playful and anything but boring... it's just that odd time when you get a rough one, generally always on a straight when you let rip from low revs - but under/over or ON the transition point during a turn is NO problem at all... and it makes no difference at all with no leap of power on a steady throttle unlike the rumours.
The acronym refers to the 16k inspection VERY TRIVAIL and EXTREMELY COSTLY, just spent huge dough to find out all mine were within .001 of factory spec. Mechanic said he's never seen one out of spec yet, nice cash grab ya factory bastages.