Vfr Won't Make Lights Change

As with most of us my VFR won't make triggered traffic lights change. Even if there are 2 or 3 of us at the light. A real pain with left turn arrows. I am tired of waiting for a car to pull up behind me or just going left after several changes of the light sequence and hoping there is no enterprising LEO hidden near by. Has anyone tried one of those "light changer" thingys and did it work? If it did what one was it? IDK and thought maybe someone here has some real world experience since I tend to not trust most marketing hype. TIA

There is a light at the end of my road to enter a major four lane, as with you my VFR doesnt' trigger a change. A friend of mine showed me an out. Apparently in the law it says, and I paraphrase, if a light is inoperative treat it like a stop sign, when clear you may proceed. There was a big movement a few years ago in Tennessee to give Motorcycles the right to go on red but was found to be redundant by the above law.
I've check with a few friendly law officers and they agreed. I have gone on red before but never "caught". Check your laws and see what it says about a red light that fails to operate appropriately.

Muff

Yes, those magnets do work. Read here about how induction loop sensors work for traffic lights (this article is about red light cameras, but they use the same sensors)
http://auto.howstuff...ght-camera1.htm

Take your left foot at the light and put your center stand down until it touches the ground. It works. It's just enough steel to make the light change.

[image: View Post]rufrydrsc2, on Jul 7 2009, 07:58 AM, said:

Take your left foot at the light and put your center stand down until it touches the ground. It works. It's just enough steel to make the light change.

I will try that one in about ten minutes.

Muff

Many states have inoperative light laws. Best to check with your DMV or DOT and see it in print. You can at the same time tell them about the lights you have problems with. They'll have an engineer check on it.

If the center stand doesn't do it, turn the bike off and restart it. The magnetic field of the starter motor has enough inductance to trip them. You can also call the DOT and ask that the sensitivity of the sensor be corrected to work with motorcycles.

I have heard numerous people who say the magnets are a trick, and won't work. I haven't needed to use them, only one light in my area isn't sensitive enough, and I don't usually go that way.

I have a magnet doodad safety wired to the centerstand. Works pretty well.

Don't know about magnets, but don't have much trouble around here tripping lights. I stop with the front wheel directly on the wire and it seems to work.

Here in Oregon, OR Dept. of Transportation has been responsive to adjusting the lights, and has done it for me in a couple of places with good results. Give your local dept. a call and see if they will make adjustments.

The coil in the ground is more sensitive in the middle rather than on the coil itself.

I hit the starter button when I pull up to lights by myself. The starter will spin, but not engage the flywheel, seems to work about 9 times out of 10 for me, especially at night. I can pull up to a light, hit the button, and it imedietly changes. Note that this does work for 6th gens, I do not know about other bikes though, a buddy of mine has a Yamaha Virago, and the starter will engage while the motor is running resulting in a nasty crunching of the starter flywheel, but it worked on my old 600RR and works with my VFR.

I just run the light. Haven't had to pay for it yet.

I tried the magnets and they did not work for me. My next idea was to attach the magnets to my foot, so I could put them directly on the ground, but I never got around to trying it.

I just stop so I can put my side stand on the wire, that works for me. The ones with cameras, I pull up at a angle with the cameras aim, works for me as well. Of course the other option is go right, then do a "U"-e, of course we all know.

Virginia riders.... only .... Here's some laws I pulled from the state PO-PO dept.

B. If the traffic lights controlling an intersection are out of service because of a power failure or other event that prevents the giving of signals by the traffic lights, the drivers of vehicles approaching such an intersection shall proceed as though such intersection were controlled by a stop sign on all approaches. The provisions of this subsection shall not apply to: intersections controlled by portable stop signs, intersections with law-enforcement officers or other authorized persons directing traffic, or intersections controlled by traffic lights displaying flashing red or flashing amber lights as provided in subsection A.

� 46.2-833.1. Evasion of traffic control devices.

It shall be unlawful for the driver of any motor vehicle to drive off the roadway and onto or across any public or private property in order to evade any stop sign, yield sign, traffic light, or other traffic control device.

(1993, c. 117.)

If you have white lines that you are suppose to stop behind try keeping your front wheel about 4-5 feet behind this white line. I could never get them to trip until I tried this and works every time.

I've found if they have added the loop just by cutting up the road, looking for the patch marks and stopping on them I can trip it everytime. But there is one near by they added a year or so ago when the road was being reworked that I have to run everytime, so far no LEO has seen me.

I took a quick look at the Ontario Highway traffic act and it just says you must stop until the light turns green.

I could not find the section that talks about what to do if the light is malfunctioning (i.e. power outage) but we all know, or should know you than treat the light as a 4-way stop. I guess you could try and argue the ticket as loop could not detect your bike so the light is malfunctioning.

However if you go to court with that defense you better go back to that light later with a video camera and record yourself some proof to back up your story.

Hah!, just borrow one of your girlfriend or wife's toe rings (don't worry, we won't tell!) and fit it on your little toe in your boot and maybe you can trigger it by just putting down your foo. :laugh: BTW, Construction work boots do have steel toes and shanks that might help out in the effort to change those lights too. :idea3:

Beck
95 VFR

[image: View Post]SprintKiller, on Jul 7 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

I just run the light. Haven't had to pay for it yet.
:+1:

[image: View Post]muffer, on Jul 7 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

There is a light at the end of my road to enter a major four lane, as with you my VFR doesnt' trigger a change. A friend of mine showed me an out. Apparently in the law it says, and I paraphrase, if a light is inoperative treat it like a stop sign, when clear you may proceed. There was a big movement a few years ago in Tennessee to give Motorcycles the right to go on red but was found to be redundant by the above law.
I've check with a few friendly law officers and they agreed. I have gone on red before but never "caught". Check your laws and see what it says about a red light that fails to operate appropriately.

Muff

in tennessee you can go on red if you let it go through one cycle and prove it did not work, however I don't know how many cops know that law or would let you off. I'm sure you would get stopped, then you would have to fight it in court

What are "traffic lights" ??? LOL

Regards,
Rollin

[image: View Post]Beck, on Jul 7 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

Hah!, just borrow one of your girlfriend or wife's toe rings (don't worry, we won't tell!) and fit it on your little toe in your boot and maybe you can trigger it by just putting down your foo. :laugh: BTW, Construction work boots do have steel toes and shanks that might help out in the effort to change those lights too. :idea3:

Beck
95 VFR

Toe rings? What kind of wimmen you hanging with Beck :cool:

My light changer works 100% of the time. If I see the light isn't going to change, I look around and just go. When I ride in town, which is seldom, it happens nearly 100% of the time at some light.... :rolleyes:

In Toronto the traffic department is very receptive to people phoning and reporting loops that are not sufficiently sensitive. They have adjusted a couple around my neighbourhood. They are also now marking the best place to stop with a motorcycle with a row (in the direction of travel) of solid circles (about 6 - 8 inches in diameter). this is supposed to be the best place to stop to ensure your MC triggers the sensor.

has anyone else discovered such markings?

John

I'd be willing to bet the circles are in the center of the coil not along the coils edges.

[image: View Post]Bent, on Jul 7 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

My light changer works 100% of the time. If I see the light isn't going to change, I look around and just go. When I ride in town, which is seldom, it happens nearly 100% of the time at some light.... :rolleyes:

Cool, which one did you buy? and from where? TIA

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Jul 8 2009, 07:10 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Bent, on Jul 7 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

My light changer works 100% of the time. If I see the light isn't going to change, I look around and just go. When I ride in town, which is seldom, it happens nearly 100% of the time at some light.... :rolleyes:

Cool, which one did you buy? and from where? TIA
I think he got it at Sarcastic-Mart. :biggrin:

Great, I own a store location of the chain! Have to go check in the useless motorcycle parts department. After all, I can get it at a substantial discount if we haven't sold out of them already. Then again they are probably on forever back order.

I usually wait two or three cycles and if no change, look around, and proceed through the intersection once I determine it is safe. I'll have to try the centerstand trick. Most of the lights in the main thoroughfares where I commute have video detection instead of induction loops, which is a big plus.

I briefly researched the traffic laws in the People's Broke Republic of California, and here's what is said about "inoperative signals":

California Vehicle Code 21800 (d)

1. The driver of any vehicle approaching an intersection which has official traffic control signals that are inoperative shall stop at the intersection, and may proceed with caution when it is safe to do so.

Going with what Muff said, I would say that the "inoperative signal" warrants contest in court if it one were to get cited in going through a non-responsive traffic signal.

I wait about 30 seconds and then proceed with caution. This is copletely legal in WY. (I'm a deputy so wouldn't get harrased local, but still...) The thing is that the law is phased as such that if the light is malfunctioning then you are to proceed with caution. If the light has a traffic sensor and it does not sense me (seeing as how I AM traffic) then I am to assume it does not work and proceed with caution. You may have to defend this in court at some point, but then again I have a friend who was written up by highway patrol for "weaving" or as wel know it, adjusting his lane position. All cops know some of the laws, no cop knows all of the law :)

George

[image: View Post]hidesertmlb, on Jul 8 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Going with what Muff said, I would say that the "inoperative signal" warrants contest in court if it one were to get cited in going through a non-responsive traffic signal.
I think that it would help your case in court if you have reported the signal to the local street department before the incident. It would show that you have tried to get the situation corrected and if the street department fixes the light its a win and if it helps you avoid a ticket in court its also a win. There is a light I drive through every day, usually the traffic is heavy enough that it doesn't matter. Last year I had problems triggering this light late one night so I called it in. Its hard to tell if it has been fixed since I have not been through the light in light traffic.

I am looking for a way to have the light change. I would have to carry a pad and pen to get down all the left turn signals around me that do not respond to motorcycles. Contesting tickets in court is always an option, one that having gone to law school and made my living doing trials in court is well available to me, :warranty: but such a waste of everyone's time. The problem with contesting based on an "inoperative" light is that the light is operating. It just is not responding to the vehicle you are driving, so, it will end up being time to get out the check book, since most everyone would agree that it is all about revenue raising :unclesam: and not usually about what is "right", even if the result is a "reduction" to a parking ticket. I also don't like to have to ask for a personal favor to remove what could have been prevented. Maybe I will just buy one of those "thingys" and test it out myself. If so I will post up the result.

I'm cheap enough to try the side stand trick! I actually tried it last night, and it worked at the one traffic light that was test-able.

[image: View Post]gstanfield, on Jul 8 2009, 09:41 PM, said:

I wait about 30 seconds and then proceed with caution. This is copletely legal in WY. (I'm a deputy so wouldn't get harrased local, but still...) The thing is that the law is phased as such that if the light is malfunctioning then you are to proceed with caution. If the light has a traffic sensor and it does not sense me (seeing as how I AM traffic) then I am to assume it does not work and proceed with caution. You may have to defend this in court at some point, but then again I have a friend who was written up by highway patrol for "weaving" or as wel know it, adjusting his lane position. All cops know some of the laws, no cop knows all of the law :)

George
Good reason for the PO-PO to learn to ride bikes so they'll know the difference between weaving and adjusting lane position...... good point.......

This is a good thread. It reminded me to email the local road commission today, to complain about three intersections where the sensors don't see bikes.

I picked up one of the "Green light HP" magnets, stuck it to the bottom of the fairing in front. If it is snake oil, then I live in a separate reality from eveyone else, as most of the lights out here in Omaha, we NOT working for me before I got the magnet. Now, I do not have any problems. (as long as I ensure I cross the Induction area with the magent)

I have a hard time getting induction loops to see my 5th gen. I may try some good magnets in the future. The only light I have to turn left through to get to work won't see me, and I deal with it so often, and it's late enough at night that there's never traffic, I just roll right through it. I've been stopped for it twice by two different cops, but since they know me and see me riding to work every night they understand. I wouldn't exactly advise doing this for anyone though.

FWIW - The magnets you buy for this purpose aren't really all that special. Simply taping some high powered magnets to the bottom of the bike should have the same effect and in some cases is cheaper.

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Jul 8 2009, 09:40 PM, said:

I am looking for a way to have the light change. I would have to carry a pad and pen to get down all the left turn signals around me that do not respond to motorcycles. Contesting tickets in court is always an option, one that having gone to law school and made my living doing trials in court is well available to me, :warranty: but such a waste of everyone's time. The problem with contesting based on an "inoperative" light is that the light is operating. It just is not responding to the vehicle you are driving, so, it will end up being time to get out the check book, since most everyone would agree that it is all about revenue raising :unclesam: and not usually about what is "right", even if the result is a "reduction" to a parking ticket. I also don't like to have to ask for a personal favor to remove what could have been prevented. Maybe I will just buy one of those "thingys" and test it out myself. If so I will post up the result.

Wow Tom!

WTF was that?

Seriously????............. :dry:

I'd take the case to court........ inoperable- not able to perform its normal function

If a light does not sense a vehicle, it does not perform it's normal function. There was a time when lights were timed and mis-adjustment of the sensor would not fly in court, but with the infusion of technology there is a need for a failsafe. If the court really has a problem allowing motorcyclists the right to travel on the roadways after all fees are paid and requirements are met, they could do as mentioned in Canadia above.

Chev, just my 25+ years of being around the court system. The light is able to perform its normal function. In addition to being blind, "justice" is many times deaf and dumb too. The usual resolution of this sort of thing in the courts here is to make it a parking ticket - no points on license - but I would still have to pay $125 for the "privilege". There is a disturbing saying learned early in law school, "Justice and the Law can have very little in common". As I said, it is easier and cheaper if there is a way to cause the light to change than going to court and rolling the dice hoping I don't get a judge who last weekend had a bunch of squids rip past him/her and now I get the fall out. Easier/less left to chance is usually better. Just looking for a solution to a fairly common problem. I am going to get a couple of strong magnets and try em out as well as buy one of those light changer thingys as a test as well. I will post up the results. Stay tuned................

in tennessee you can go on red if you let it go through one cycle and prove it did not work, however I don't know how many cops know that law or would let you off. I'm sure you would get stopped, then you would have to fight it in court
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The intent of my post was to allow the light to cycle. Thanks for bring that point out.

I too am finding this posting interesting. Again, I too am writing my traffic control department asking for clairification. Sometimes the best posts develop from one of us venting our frustrations about something. Damn I love this group.

Muff

PS I tried the toe ring thing, it only works if I wear a thong and filp-flops. Benefit does not outweigh the fear in the eyes of women and little children.

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Jul 9 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

The light is able to perform its normal function.

Does the light require the sensor to be tripped to change?

Is the sensor tripped by your vehicle?

This is a classic example of an if-then statement.

If this if-then statement is not fulfilled the light is not able to perform it's function.

If the court costs are too high, counter sue for court costs ONLY (aka don't be greedy) to bring some JUSTICE to the legal system.

Or you can just complain and buy some gimmick toy off of ebay. When that one works on 25% of the lights you can buy another that works on an additional 12.5% of them. Soon you will have so many magnets and dangling pieces of metal that you will trigger the weight sensors as well.

I just don't understand. We depend on engineers to make ToroChargers and Kanadian Ken Solo brackets. We depend on Our LEO members to provide insight into the LEO world and represent the motorcycling community amongst their peers. Our artistic types play in Photoshop and designtthe next Gen, or modify the current gen prior to extensive modification. Ect. Ect. Do you see where I am going with this?

[image: View Post]Chev, on Jul 9 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Jul 9 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

The light is able to perform its normal function. ...This is a classic example of an if-then statement.
Boolean logic rules!

Tom, have you checked the wording of the NY law yet? I believe you may safely complete your turn, if after 2-3 cycles the light does not change for you.

I realize that doesn't offer much relief when waiting in the hot summer sun, but it would be better than getting a ticket.

Really though, it woudln't hurt to have the magnet on the bike AND keep the receipt for it. Keep the receipt in your wallet, or better yet, with your insurance/registration papers.

Because face it, if you are in a left turn lane(for example), and the light doesn't change for you, then not only is it illegal to make a left on red, but also to give up & go straight from the left turn lane!

[image: View Post]Knife, on Jul 9 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

[image: View Post]Chev, on Jul 9 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Jul 9 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

The light is able to perform its normal function. ...This is a classic example of an if-then statement.
Boolean logic rules!
Oh boy! We have engineers and lawyers weighing in on this one! :laugh:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Jul 9 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

Tom, have you checked the wording of the NY law yet? I believe you may safely complete your turn, if after 2-3 cycles the light does not change for you.

I realize that doesn't offer much relief when waiting in the hot summer sun, but it would be better than getting a ticket.

Really though, it woudln't hurt to have the magnet on the bike AND keep the receipt for it. Keep the receipt in your wallet, or better yet, with your insurance/registration papers.

Because face it, if you are in a left turn lane(for example), and the light doesn't change for you, then not only is it illegal to make a left on red, but also to give up & go straight from the left turn lane!

Seb,

I already know you're not saying you wait on red lights.....or stop signs. :biggrin:

Also wanted to mention, that I don NOT like the idea of putting my kickstand down at a traffic light. I may make an exception and try that if there is absolutely ZERO traffic around me, otherwise no.

When I'm stopped at a light, I'm in first gear, clutch in, and very aware of my surroundings. I want to be ready to react to someone coming at me from any angle. It would be hard to react if the bike was shut off(kickstand down in gear) or in neutral(bike running, kickstand down).

[image: View Post]Bent, on Jul 9 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Jul 9 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

Tom, have you checked the wording of the NY law yet? I believe you may safely complete your turn, if after 2-3 cycles the light does not change for you.

I realize that doesn't offer much relief when waiting in the hot summer sun, but it would be better than getting a ticket.

Really though, it woudln't hurt to have the magnet on the bike AND keep the receipt for it. Keep the receipt in your wallet, or better yet, with your insurance/registration papers.

Because face it, if you are in a left turn lane(for example), and the light doesn't change for you, then not only is it illegal to make a left on red, but also to give up & go straight from the left turn lane!

Seb,

I already know you're not saying you wait on red lights.....or stop signs. :biggrin:


Shhhh!!! :blush:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Jul 9 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

Also wanted to mention, that I don NOT like the idea of putting my kickstand down at a traffic light. I may make an exception and try that if there is absolutely ZERO traffic around me, otherwise no.

When I'm stopped at a light, I'm in first gear, clutch in, and very aware of my surroundings. I want to be ready to react to someone coming at me from any angle. It would be hard to react if the bike was shut off(kickstand down in gear) or in neutral(bike running, kickstand down).

Totally agree, but you could tap your center stand on the ground with the bike in gear.

I don't have a problem with most lights, except for one I've found locally. My issue is with the automatic gates at my apartment complex. Three exits, but only one will open for me. I talked to the guys repairing one of them once about it and they said they could not make the sensors any more sensitive. I even tried taking a big giant harley brake rotor that I found and laying it on the loop and dragging it through to try to trigger the one that does work for me, and no dice with that. That one gate that works usually is the one that will break most often, so I end up going out on the sidewalk once in a while. :blink:

I read a thread on this somewhere a while back and some people reported success with a steel plate mounted low on the bike between engine and fairing.

It would suck to add any extra weight to the bike, but if I lived in the city and had this happen a lot, I would probably do it.

Haven't heard of the stop/re-start starter trick before. I might give it a try to see if it works.

I have been trying the hit the start button while running trick last few days and it seems to work at about 75% of the lights that normally do not see my bike. I like to keep mine in gear and clutch in and right foot on brake to make the tail light nice and bright while sitting at lights. The only down side to hitting the start switch is it kills your headlight for the second you do it.

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Jul 9 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

Also wanted to mention, that I don NOT like the idea of putting my kickstand down at a traffic light. I may make an exception and try that if there is absolutely ZERO traffic around me, otherwise no.

When I'm stopped at a light, I'm in first gear, clutch in, and very aware of my surroundings. I want to be ready to react to someone coming at me from any angle. It would be hard to react if the bike was shut off(kickstand down in gear) or in neutral(bike running, kickstand down).
:fing02: 100%!

[image: View Post]mechdziner714, on Jul 8 2009, 02:19 PM, said:

I'd be willing to bet the circles are in the center of the coil not along the coils edges.

The circles are actually on the right hand side of the "box".

I have tried putting the side stand down, in fact long enough to get off and run over and push the pedestrian crossing button! The light only triggered by hitting the crossing button, not from the stand. I have also tried touching down the centre stand, no joy there either.

I don't know how many different architectures there are for these systems, but the ones up here are not motorcycle friendly. Good thing the traffic department is!

John

[image: View Post]Chev, on Jul 9 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Jul 9 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

The light is able to perform its normal function.

Does the light require the sensor to be tripped to change?

Is the sensor tripped by your vehicle?

This is a classic example of an if-then statement.

If this if-then statement is not fulfilled the light is not able to perform it's function.

If the court costs are too high, counter sue for court costs ONLY (aka don't be greedy) to bring some JUSTICE to the legal system.

Or you can just complain and buy some gimmick toy off of ebay. When that one works on 25% of the lights you can buy another that works on an additional 12.5% of them. Soon you will have so many magnets and dangling pieces of metal that you will trigger the weight sensors as well.

I just don't understand. We depend on engineers to make ToroChargers and Kanadian Ken Solo brackets. We depend on Our LEO members to provide insight into the LEO world and represent the motorcycling community amongst their peers. Our artistic types play in Photoshop and designtthe next Gen, or modify the current gen prior to extensive modification. Ect. Ect. Do you see where I am going with this?

Chev, suing to get the court costs back would then cost me even more time invested, not to mention the approximately $300.00 in filing fees necessary to do so. It is a no win proposition. What a system!

Here are the pertinent parts of NY Vehicle & Traffic Law Section 1111

(d) Red indications:
1. Traffic, except pedestrians, facing a steady circular red signal,
unless to make such other movement as is permitted by other indications
shown at the same time, shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if
none, then shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of
the intersection, or in the event there is no crosswalk, at the point
nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of the
approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the
intersection and shall remain standing until an indication to proceed is
shown except as provided in paragraph two of this subdivision.
2. Except in a city having a population of one million or more,
unless a sign is in place prohibiting such turn:
a. Traffic facing a steady circular red signal may cautiously enter
the intersection to make a right turn after stopping as required by
paragraph one of this subdivision, except that right turning traffic is
not required to stop when a steady right green arrow signal is shown at
the same time. Such traffic shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians
within a marked or unmarked crosswalk at the intersection and to other
traffic lawfully using the intersection;
b. Traffic, while on a one-way roadway, facing a steady red signal may
cautiously enter the intersection to make a left turn onto a one-way
roadway after stopping as required by paragraph one of this subdivision.
Such traffic shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians within a marked
or unmarked crosswalk at the intersection and to other traffic lawfully
using the intersection.

3. Traffic, except pedestrians, facing a steady red arrow signal may
not enter the intersection to make the movement indicated by such arrow
and, unless entering the intersection to make such other movement as is
permitted by other indications shown at the same time, shall stop at a
clearly marked stop line, but if none, then shall stop before entering
the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or in the event
there is no crosswalk at the point nearest the intersecting roadway
where the driver has a view of the approaching traffic on the
intersecting roadway before entering the intersection and shall remain
standing until an indication to proceed is shown.

Link to the complete text of Section 1111 of the VTL is here: http://law.onecle.co...01111_1111.html

You will note, in all instances the law requires one to "remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown" There is also no exception for any number of changes or cycles of the signal that do not qualify as an indication to proceed. So, here in New York wait we must and wait and wait. Hence, my exploration for another solution. Any questions?

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Jul 9 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

Any questions?

No, but a suggestion.

Send Gvr. Patterson this pic, and ask; Yo Govna, sup wit dis bike hatin' traffic lights g? You best be changin yo ways, or I'll fix dem eyes for ya fo GOOD!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/SEBSPEED2003/750F%20resto/3-2-09044.jpg

:excl: :laugh:

:biggrin:

I must have been thinking of Tennessee or something with the light cycles, you can make rights AND lefts on red on a bike in TN! :fing02:

& I guess you can try a magnet? I read a long time ago on a CBR board about some members there who claimed to have success using the rare earth magnets from old computers, stuck to their exhaust pipes.

I have noticed that lights change more quickly when I ride my Dad's beemer, probably due to the steel cradle frame.

I'm gonna ax him dat! We both go to the same Chiropractor and I see him there sometimes! Of course he doesn't see me though! Ooops, my bad. Non PC joke. :laugh:

:goofy: