Running 3 Regina ors2 530 orings , none needed any adjustment till around 9 or 10,000 mile when the internal grease broke down. From that point it was baby sit and force lube internally.
DID VMpro 530, chain require 2 major adjustments in first 1500 mile, 5,500 mile, first link sprouts red dust. I'm going to begin to have to baby sit this one, to try and make it to 10,000 mile.
I put 20k miles on a 520 DID X ring chain (kaw 650R) in conjunction with a pro-oiler and it was no where near being worn out when I sold it and never had to adjust it beyond when it needed to be done for changing the rear tire. That's what I'll be putting on my VFR when the time comes.
Its not a bad chain as in defective, it just wearing faster than normal, in comparison to Base Regina Oring which I have extensive use with , at the very least no better.
I have no brand loyalty, I'm just stating my result. I only tried it because people were saying how much better life they were seeing from DID.
I've got a Regina on my bike (presumably an o-ring) and I'm not pleased with how it's worn. Can't tell you the mileage, as I never record stuff like this. However, having said this, most of my riding has been commuting, and every chain I've had on my last three bikes has not lasted long. The huge number of gear changes and constant accleration/deceleration, and riding in all weathers doesn't do much for longevity.
[image: View Post]enzed_viffer, on 28 October 2009 - 05:15 PM, said:
I've got a Regina on my bike (presumably an o-ring) and I'm not pleased with how it's worn. Can't tell you the mileage, as I never record stuff like this. However, having said this, most of my riding has been commuting, and every chain I've had on my last three bikes has not lasted long. The huge number of gear changes and constant accleration/deceleration, and riding in all weathers doesn't do much for longevity.
milage doesnt really matter, Id rather someone tell they saw a significant gain over such and such comparison
What suks on Regina, all their real heavvier chains run those crap zrings , they fail quicker than their regular orings do
If they'd put orings on the heavier chains, it would be dynomite.
They offer 2 types of oring in 530, ORS2 and ORN6 , the ors2 is the heavier oring of the 2 , ORS2 is only one of limited value that i'd use.
Its also possible you have a zring and not know it
[image: View Post]spud786, on 29 October 2009 - 11:58 AM, said:
Its also possible you have a zring and not know it
Very possible.
When I had the chain'n'sprockets fitted, I wasn't consulted about them, and was rather perturbed to see a Regina fitted. I have no idea what model it is. It's also had that red crap come out of the links, so I suspect it's toast. I'm just putting up with it as long as I can, by keeping it clean(ish) and lubed. Latest lube is Golden Spectro, which isn't what I wanted; I wanted some Spectro chain wax, but the only place I know that said they had it didn't, so after going all the way in there to buy some chain lube and Plexus, I had to buy something. Thsi stuff seems to lube well, but it has a little more fling-off than other lubes I've used. Hopefully, that also means it's less tacky. The Motul I've just used up was pretty sticky, so all the raod spooge stuck to it.
[image: View Post]enzed_viffer, on 28 October 2009 - 06:51 PM, said:
[image: View Post]spud786, on 29 October 2009 - 11:58 AM, said:
Its also possible you have a zring and not know it
Very possible.
When I had the chain'n'sprockets fitted, I wasn't consulted about them, and was rather perturbed to see a Regina fitted. I have no idea what model it is. It's also had that red crap come out of the links, so I suspect it's toast. I'm just putting up with it as long as I can, by keeping it clean(ish) and lubed. Latest lube is Golden Spectro, which isn't what I wanted; I wanted some Spectro chain wax, but the only place I know that said they had it didn't, so after going all the way in there to buy some chain lube and Plexus, I had to buy something. Thsi stuff seems to lube well, but it has a little more fling-off than other lubes I've used. Hopefully, that also means it's less tacky. The Motul I've just used up was pretty sticky, so all the raod spooge stuck to it.
You can cut one side the orings out of the rusted links which are blowing out, and get lube in there. Thats typicaly what I have to do to squeese additional life out of failing chain thats not stretched but faling from grease gone bye bye internally
The Oem chain on my VFR was an RK, near double the distance of anything i;ve used without the need to baby it, next chain I'll probably go for the Rk Husaba chain GB530GWX. If I can find deal on it.
I wonder what color the lube is they pack in there? I have good mileage on my DID Zring chains so far, only on the second chain in 33K miles. Also, I don't think the red dust means chain is dead, just means keep checking. If the chain is not binding or stretching, why would you assume it is bad? If the chain stretches alot, that is more likly a softer material(cheaper chain) or a chain put on and kept on too tight.
Red dust is a sure indicator of the chain being on its way out. Once the O rings stop sealing, water gets in and washes out the grease, and starts to rust. The red dust is rust being knocked out.
"Chainstretch" is not stretching at all, it is the sum of the physical wear of the pins on each link.
ETA: Where is BLS when you need him. He has pictures of a disassembled, worn out chain clearly showing the wear on the pins.
ETAA: Ah, here it is
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/Jeremy556/ARFCOM/chainwear.jpg
[image: View Post]Tightwad, on 28 October 2009 - 08:45 PM, said:
I wonder what color the lube is they pack in there? I have good mileage on my DID Zring chains so far, only on the second chain in 33K miles. Also, I don't think the red dust means chain is dead, just means keep checking. If the chain is not binding or stretching, why would you assume it is bad? If the chain stretches alot, that is more likly a softer material(cheaper chain) or a chain put on and kept on too tight.
Did you see Ranger scotts video in the maintence section, it shows exactly how a rusted slow or frozen LINK will circulate while wheel is in motion, get about 3 or 4 places like that and not good, but that whats coming when you see the red dust, which it's actually internal rusting of the chain.
But your right, red dust is not the failure just the first signs of it.
[image: View Post]Tightwad, on 29 October 2009 - 02:45 PM, said:
If the chain is not binding or stretching, why would you assume it is bad?
When riding on the motorway (freeway) it has a regular rhythmic vibration caused by one or more tight links and/or irregular stretching of the chain.
I'll say one thing....Spud's recommendation of Motorex "strong" chain lube is spot on. Cycle Gear has it. It's amazing stuff. I just got back from a thousand miles of doing the curves in NC and N. Ga. When I left, the chain had about 100 miles on it since the last lube. If I didn't see it, I wouldn't have believed it but I didn't need to lube the chain the entire trip and it doesn't need it now after coming home. :blink:
The stuff doesn't attract road crap and stays on like nothing I've ever seen or heard of. Seeing is believing...thanks Spud!! :fing02:
[image: View Post]spud786, on 26 October 2009 - 03:53 AM, said:
Running 3 Regina ors2 530 orings , none needed any adjustment till around 9 or 10,000 mile when the internal grease broke down. From that point it was baby sit and force lube internally.
Never Regina chains for me, thanks for the warning ;)
[image: View Post]Bent, on 30 October 2009 - 07:46 PM, said:
I'll say one thing....Spud's recommendation of Motorex "strong" chain lube is spot on. Cycle Gear has it. It's amazing stuff. I just got back from a thousand miles of doing the curves in NC and N. Ga. When I left, the chain had about 100 miles on it since the last lube. If I didn't see it, I wouldn't have believed it but I didn't need to lube the chain the entire trip and it doesn't need it now after coming home. :blink:
The stuff doesn't attract road crap and stays on like nothing I've ever seen or heard of. Seeing is believing...thanks Spud!! :fing02:
Hmmm, have to check that out. I just drained my can of Bel-Ray.
[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on 31 October 2009 - 06:11 AM, said:
[image: View Post]spud786, on 26 October 2009 - 03:53 AM, said:
Running 3 Regina ors2 530 orings , none needed any adjustment till around 9 or 10,000 mile when the internal grease broke down. From that point it was baby sit and force lube internally.
Never Regina chains for me, thanks for the warning http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif
Yeh, but I'm having to do the same thing with the oring DID begining at even less milege, both chains around the same price wise.
[image: View Post]KPerham, on 31 October 2009 - 08:05 AM, said:
[image: View Post]Bent, on 30 October 2009 - 07:46 PM, said:
I'll say one thing....Spud's recommendation of Motorex "strong" chain lube is spot on. Cycle Gear has it. It's amazing stuff. I just got back from a thousand miles of doing the curves in NC and N. Ga. When I left, the chain had about 100 miles on it since the last lube. If I didn't see it, I wouldn't have believed it but I didn't need to lube the chain the entire trip and it doesn't need it now after coming home. :blink:
The stuff doesn't attract road crap and stays on like nothing I've ever seen or heard of. Seeing is believing...thanks Spud!! :fing02:
Hmmm, have to check that out. I just drained my can of Bel-Ray.
Motorex Strong will make Belray look like water. Bel-Ray is OK as long as you like to apply chain lube often. Sorry to be a little off topic but chain lube has a lot to do with chain longevity IMHO. ;)
On a non oring, the Motorex strong street will make massive longevity improvement, but it cant get into the oring areas of an oring, but it will completely stop roller squeal . and virtually stop sprocket wear 5x minimum.
Have you ever grabbed the little chain wheels on a worn out chain and found movement, motorex strong that wont happen.
The only Belray product I've use was the Blue label, that stuff was so hard to work with cause its hard to clean if it get on anything, and everything sticks to it. Motorex strong street easily cleans with wd , if it gets on any areas. This stuff is not available in California, its too potent.
[image: View Post]spud786, on 31 October 2009 - 10:54 AM, said:
On a non oring, the Motorex strong street will make massive longevity improvement, but it cant get into the oring areas of an oring, but it will completely stop roller squeal . and virtually stop sprocket wear 5x minimum.
Have you ever grabbed the little chain wheels on a worn out chain and found movement, motorex strong that wont happen.
The only Belray product I've use was the Blue label, that stuff was so hard to work with cause its hard to clean if it get on anything, and everything sticks to it. Motorex strong street easily cleans with wd , if it gets on any areas. This stuff is not available in California, its too potent.
California is where ya get legal dope. Cycle Gear is where ya get Motorex chain lube.... :laugh: Sorry, couldn't pass that one up... :rolleyes:
[image: View Post]Bent, on 31 October 2009 - 09:03 AM, said:
[image: View Post]spud786, on 31 October 2009 - 10:54 AM, said:
On a non oring, the Motorex strong street will make massive longevity improvement, but it cant get into the oring areas of an oring, but it will completely stop roller squeal . and virtually stop sprocket wear 5x minimum.
Have you ever grabbed the little chain wheels on a worn out chain and found movement, motorex strong that wont happen.
The only Belray product I've use was the Blue label, that stuff was so hard to work with cause its hard to clean if it get on anything, and everything sticks to it. Motorex strong street easily cleans with wd , if it gets on any areas. This stuff is not available in California, its too potent.
California is where ya get legal dope. Cycle Gear is where ya get Motorex chain lube.... :laugh: Sorry, couldn't pass that one up... :rolleyes:
[image: View Post]Bent, on 31 October 2009 - 10:30 AM, said:
[image: View Post]KPerham, on 31 October 2009 - 08:05 AM, said:
[image: View Post]Bent, on 30 October 2009 - 07:46 PM, said:
I'll say one thing....Spud's recommendation of Motorex "strong" chain lube is spot on. Cycle Gear has it. It's amazing stuff. I just got back from a thousand miles of doing the curves in NC and N. Ga. When I left, the chain had about 100 miles on it since the last lube. If I didn't see it, I wouldn't have believed it but I didn't need to lube the chain the entire trip and it doesn't need it now after coming home. :blink:
The stuff doesn't attract road crap and stays on like nothing I've ever seen or heard of. Seeing is believing...thanks Spud!! :fing02:
Hmmm, have to check that out. I just drained my can of Bel-Ray.
Motorex Strong will make Belray look like water. Bel-Ray is OK as long as you like to apply chain lube often. Sorry to be a little off topic but chain lube has a lot to do with chain longevity IMHO. ;)
Just got a can from CG, and sprayed down the old VFR chain. Hey, quick question on usage. You spray it on the inside or outside or both? I hit both.
I saw the no sale in CA sticker. Is that for the propellent? Or the actual lube?
Once an original aplication is placed, I just spinn the wheel and hit 1/2 dosen links to maintain, its very stout stuff and has a clouding effect. There's no need to over apply.
This is the only product I've ever seen completely Kill sprocket wear to a no issue result. There are chain benefits, super corroison resistant and great staying power.
But lets face it , with sealed chains, your dependdant on how long it takes for the small pinch of grease inside to oxidize, and rusting to begin. Unless the lube can penetrate the orings, there can be no benefit in that regard.
After 20,000 miles in the NC mtns my Oem is finally done, Just ordered a DID ZVM2 and a rear sprocket. Guess I will see how long it lasts, Supposed to be the new Xring version..
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