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Every 6th gen is going to have an oil leak

28 posts Started 25 Jan 2010 Last recovered post 2 Feb 2010 Wayback Machine snapshot 12 Apr 2010

#1
I had my bike a part and noticed the vtec valve on the head is exactly the same as a civic or accord. I am a honda auto tech and replace these gaskets regularly. When they leak the really start to leak a lot. I have seen them pouring oil all over the transmission, engine. Most of the ones I have replace are before 2002.

I would say this leak should start hitting VFR's soon and alot in the next year to two.

The manual says you have to remove the throttle body but I bet it's possible to get tO like the CCT.

Their is a gasket where the vtec valve bolts to head and on top where the switch is.

THE REALLY COOL THING. I LOOKED IN THE MANUAL AND ON THE FICHE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE GASKETS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE ONE'S THAT FIT MANY HONDA'S.

MAINLY THE 1998-2002 ACCORD, 1996-2000 CIVIC. IF I HVAE MINE OFF I'LL CK. IT OUT.

I'm sure it would be 1/2 price at the auto dealer.
#2
but I don't wanna have an oil leak... :unsure:
#3
Damn that reminds me I have an oil leak comming out of my stator cover, need a new gasket there. Getting those green gaskets off is a bitch any secrets to that too Doug? Paint thinner or somthing?
#4

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 24 January 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Getting those green gaskets off is a bitch any secrets to that too Doug? Paint thinner or somthing?

Metal scraper at the correct angle and elbow grease has always worked well for me.

Oh, you mean that other Doug. :biggrin:
#5
Looks like I swapped to a 5th gen just in the nick of time :goofy:
#6

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 25 January 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

Damn that reminds me I have an oil leak comming out of my stator cover, need a new gasket there. Getting those green gaskets off is a bitch any secrets to that too Doug? Paint thinner or somthing?

Carefully, with a razor blade.
#7

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 25 January 2010 - 12:06 AM, said:

Damn that reminds me I have an oil leak comming out of my stator cover, need a new gasket there. Getting those green gaskets off is a bitch any secrets to that too Doug? Paint thinner or somthing?


I dont want to scare peoploe but this same valve leaks on every honda that has it. It should be an easy fix and it will hold for another 7-10 years.

Yeah, slammer a razor is good. Lately I have been turned on to gasket remover. It comes in a blue can, permatex brand.
I used it last time to remove paint. Whatever you put it on it will come off.

DONT GET IT ON ANYTHING YOU DONT WANT RUINED. IT WILL EAT RIGHT THRU PAINT, GASKETS.

These 2 gaskets are less than $25 from honda. My cost is proabably $15.

I just noticed it was identical so I know it will leak. There is so much pressure that when it leaks it leaks. It will cause drips off the bottom of the vehicle .
#8
I'll believe it when I see it. An identical part in one application does not mean it behaves the same in a very similar application.
#9

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Yeah, slammer a razor is good. Lately I have been turned on to gasket remover. It comes in a blue can, permatex brand.
I used it last time to remove paint. Whatever you put it on it will come off.

DONT GET IT ON ANYTHING YOU DONT WANT RUINED. IT WILL EAT RIGHT THRU PAINT, GASKETS.

And your skin. Really fun when that happens.
#10

[image: View Post]swimmer, on 25 January 2010 - 09:36 AM, said:

I'll believe it when I see it. An identical part in one application does not mean it behaves the same in a very similar application.
Ha!
You're prolly be the first one with the leak.
Karma. :warranty:

Oh, Damn... Now, that I said it, it will prolly be me :unsure:
#11
I just used the blue can gasket remover to take the paint off of an old triumph chain gaurd. Came off in 2 seconds and old triumph paint in nitrocellulose laquer, the toughest finish on the planet.
#12
So if the gasket will fail, will it be based on the bike's age, mileage or a combination of the two? :huh:
#13
:offtopic:

Geeze - I know I am nitpicking here, but really bb code is pretty simple - if your gonna edit quotes you need an open tag and then a closing quote tag at the end of the quote, not two closing tags. I went ahead and fixed the post cause it's some kind of compulsive obessive behavior for me.

Open tag = [tag]
Close tag = [/tag]

notice one has a "/" slash and the other does not

if you have two in a row like [tag]your stuff[tag]
or [/tag]your stuff[/tag] it DONT WORK!
#14
I used a razor blade on the green gasket the first time and the darned thing was so baked on I had to really get aggressive to get that stuff off. I may have nicked the metal and now I got an oil leak - all I know is its freaking leaking oil from the stator cover. I re-torqued the bolts to spec and still it leaks. Gonna have to remove it and replace the gasket. I don't want to go thru another 45 minute job of getting all the old green gasket off. I mean it was like it was painted on! The old one just disintegrated as soon as I put the razor to it. PITA! I have been meaning to inspect my stator anyway to see what shape its in. I can always sit the cover on a pane of glass and some fine sand paper and sand it smooth again if its nicked, just tape the sand paper to the glass and move the cover around, but the engine side that I don't know?

I have used that method on the valves of my dirt-bike forks, found some dirt in the valve and it got between the valve face and the shim stack and pitted it up - sanded it smooth, smooth and strait planed flat, and then replaced the shims. If I nicked the engine face well I don't know, I cant just sand part of it, I cant even see where the oil is leaking from its a really small leak. Just that its the stator cover. Maybe cut a new gasket from cork or some thicker gasket material?
#15

[image: View Post]jasonsmith, on 24 January 2010 - 11:04 PM, said:

but I don't wanna have an oil leak... :unsure:

:+1:

Seriously though, is there a mileage where this tends to occur, or is it a time thing, or both? Just wondering when to be on the look out for this...
#16

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 26 January 2010 - 02:50 AM, said:

I used a razor blade on the green gasket the first time and the darned thing was so baked on I had to really get aggressive to get that stuff off. I may have nicked the metal and now I got an oil leak - all I know is its freaking leaking oil from the stator cover. I re-torqued the bolts to spec and still it leaks. Gonna have to remove it and replace the gasket. I don't want to go thru another 45 minute job of getting all the old green gasket off. I mean it was like it was painted on! The old one just disintegrated as soon as I put the razor to it. PITA! I have been meaning to inspect my stator anyway to see what shape its in. I can always sit the cover on a pane of glass and some fine sand paper and sand it smooth again if its nicked, just tape the sand paper to the glass and move the cover around, but the engine side that I don't know?

I have used that method on the valves of my dirt-bike forks, found some dirt in the valve and it got between the valve face and the shim stack and pitted it up - sanded it smooth, smooth and strait planed flat, and then replaced the shims. If I nicked the engine face well I don't know, I cant just sand part of it, I cant even see where the oil is leaking from its a really small leak. Just that its the stator cover. Maybe cut a new gasket from cork or some thicker gasket material?



My experience with oil leaks is based on numerous engine strips of old Triumph motors, so I know whereof I speak. These engines are notorious for letting the oil out unintentionally, sometimes the fault of the the bike, sometimes the fault of the wrencher. Nicked aluminum gasket surfaces, generally the result of aggressive(read difficult), gasket removal tend to occur commonly. The glass plate method of flattening a surface works well for any part that can be removed from the engine BUT, if you sand any surface that is not, or can't be, disassembled from the motor you WILL introduce contaminants into the engine in the form of abrasives and metal filings.

Not Good!

So, use the gasket remover, let it soak in, and scrape gently. While the gasket remover doesn't always soften up the most hardened of gaskets, it will help considerably with most of what you need to do and so minimise the likelihood of chipping a gasket surface. There are a couple of gasket sealers that will adequately fill the generally tiny nicks that result from removing gaskets with a razor blade. I prefer good old Yamabond #4 over the silicone types of gasket sealants. When Ymabond dries it lays flat on the inner engine surface and tends to be brittle. This helps to prevent pieces that come away when the motor is running from potentially blocking oilways. The silicone sealants can, and will, come away and form little balls that will bounce around inside the engine until they get sucked into an oil passage, thus starving whatever is on the other side from oil. The silicone types, because they are very flexible and resiliant, will withstand crushing by gears, valves and what have you. If you have a very uneven surface to deal with a product called The Right Stuff works well, but you have to be carefull with it, as it too can peel off inside the motor. The Right Stuff is a better alternative for low pressure environments and badly nicked or uneven surfaces. As always preparation is key. THOROUGHLY clean any gasket surface with solvent and allow it to dry before applying the sealant. If you MUST sand or file a surface in situ then a ltttle grease under the file or sandpaper will help trap much of the wayward filings, and can be wiped away after you're done. Also, there are folks that will manufacture custom silicone gasgests for you, but this tends to be expensive.

HTH.
#17
Small tipped paint brushes often help for getting something like gasket remover into tight places (stator casing gasket surface on engine block) with accuracy (don't want that stuff anywhere but on the gasket), thing is it'll probably eat the paintbrush so buy several...

I never use razorblades as they tend to bite into the metal too easily... a flat-tipped screwdriver head, medium size and lots of patience... I use brake cleaner to soften mine up (referring to gaskets here :ph34r: ) as it leaves no residues... but it is a PITA that particular spot...

We will just have to wait and see if Soichiro is right... cross your fingers, toes, eyes, and boys... :goofy:
#18

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 26 January 2010 - 03:36 AM, said:

:offtopic:

Geeze - I know I am nitpicking here, but really bb code is pretty simple - if your gonna edit quotes you need an open tag and then a closing quote tag at the end of the quote, not two closing tags. I went ahead and fixed the post cause it's some kind of compulsive obessive behavior for me.

Open tag = [tag]
Close tag = [/tag]

notice one has a "/" slash and the other does not

if you have two in a row like [tag]your stuff[tag]
or [/tag]your stuff[/tag] it DONT WORK!

Really?? :rolleyes:
#19

[image: View Post]jayV, on 26 January 2010 - 06:52 AM, said:

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 26 January 2010 - 03:36 AM, said:

:offtopic:

Geeze - I know I am nitpicking here, but really bb code is pretty simple - if your gonna edit quotes you need an open tag and then a closing quote tag at the end of the quote, not two closing tags. I went ahead and fixed the post cause it's some kind of compulsive obessive behavior for me.

Open tag = [tag]
Close tag = [/tag]

notice one has a "/" slash and the other does not

if you have two in a row like [tag]your stuff[tag]
or [/tag]your stuff[/tag] it DONT WORK!

Really?? :rolleyes:
I wasnt gonna name names but now your getting it!
#20

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 26 January 2010 - 03:50 AM, said:

Maybe cut a new gasket from cork or some thicker gasket material?

Cereal box + Yamabond = your friend.
#21

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 26 January 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 26 January 2010 - 03:50 AM, said:

Maybe cut a new gasket from cork or some thicker gasket material?

Cereal box + Yamabond = your friend.

Friend of mine swears on not using any gasket goo... light smearing of oil... salt n pepper and whack it together... bubbly!!

I use the gasket goo in the recommended spots.
#22

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 26 January 2010 - 12:25 PM, said:

[image: View Post]jayV, on 26 January 2010 - 06:52 AM, said:

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 26 January 2010 - 03:36 AM, said:

:offtopic:

Geeze - I know I am nitpicking here, but really bb code is pretty simple - if your gonna edit quotes you need an open tag and then a closing quote tag at the end of the quote, not two closing tags. I went ahead and fixed the post cause it's some kind of compulsive obessive behavior for me.

Open tag = [tag]
Close tag = [/tag]

notice one has a "/" slash and the other does not

if you have two in a row like [tag]your stuff[tag]
or [/tag]your stuff[/tag] it DONT WORK!

Really?? :rolleyes:
I wasnt gonna name names but now your getting it!

Sorry, couldn't resist. :goofy:
#23
There's only a few vfr's which have had this leak, I'm already heading into the 70 ,000 mjile range and no leak.

I'd like to check the screws though, I've heard that the vfr the screws come loose, is the reason for leak.
#25

[image: View Post]HispanicSlammer, on 27 January 2010 - 01:14 AM, said:

[video: http://www.youtube.com/v/6rx5hGKt1PY]

not so sure anybody should be pounding away on an aluminum or magnesium engine case?
Been doing that since the dawn of time. LOL :fing02: Looks like he's working on a BW super T 10 4 speed gearbox. :biggrin:
#26
Well thank goodness I have a friend whose a Certified Honda tech that happens to live 20 minutes away!! :goofy:
#27

[image: View Post]Rice, on 25 January 2010 - 10:15 AM, said:

[image: View Post]swimmer, on 25 January 2010 - 09:36 AM, said:

I'll believe it when I see it. An identical part in one application does not mean it behaves the same in a very similar application.
Ha!
You're prolly be the first one with the leak.
Karma. :warranty:

Oh, Damn... Now, that I said it, it will prolly be me :unsure:

:goofy: I'll refrain from commenting keeping my Karma point value at +4856. At +5000 points I can cash them in for a new motorcycle. :fing02:

:offtopic: Doh! -5points for being off topic. :(
#28
I know techs who swear by the Roloc dics for gasket removal...looks like a scouring pad on a die grinder, not usually coarse enough for metal removal.

The glass/sandpaper idea should work for the engine side of the Stator as well...just use a strip of 1/4" plexiglass as a sanding block, the longer you can make it the better so you maintain as much evenness (is that a word?) as possible.
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