CCT's

As the title states, what does a new CCT come with? I believe I have read that they come with the key.

Do I need to order the gasket or anything else?
TIA!

they have a key in them, are ready to install...gasket was steel so didnt need replacing...you will reuse the cap on the end also...I bought new bolts just in case they got rounded but didnt use them either...really just the cct is all you should need....now remember to clear all lines out of the work area to get max room...you want to gently pull that cct out in a straight line, not rock it or twist it...the "cap" is just pushed on, a press fit...do NOT hook cap up on port when removing...the story of the cap falling into the engine posted on here REALLY freaks me out, good thing he retrieved it with a magnet.  My cct front was quite an easy job for me.  see pinned info w/pics. my part # was 14520-mcw-013 , its my paperweight now.

Doug is right, they come with the key.  I have a brand new one I don't ever plan to install....next time one makes noise I will tighten the spring, I now have 3 spares..

Keith at Mason City Honda is the guy to talk to unless working as a tech gets you a motorcycle discount.

Thanks, cool so the gasket is metal and not paper, thats good.

I actually still have a sponsorship so I can get parts cheap.

My bike has 55k miles and just started making noise, I guess I got lucky.

I will have to read up on just tightening the spring.

The new ones come with the key, but you still need to make one to take the old one out!

The service manual has dimensions for making one, it's very simple(even a caveman could do it!).

I never stuck a key in old part/CCT.  I just loosened the 2 bolts up slowly and evenly.  It came out just fine/no problems. Maybe I did a NO-NO? wouldn't be the 1st time, just saying it worked aok/peachy fine for me, removed old cct no key, installed new cct with included key, turned it=tensioned it after install, cake.
Somebody could send you a key if must have.  Also motion pro tools carries a cct tool.

[image: View Post]DougFromIndy, on 08 March 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

I never stuck a key in old part/CCT.  I just loosened the 2 bolts up slowly and evenly.  It came out just fine/no problems. Maybe I did a NO-NO? wouldn't be the 1st time, just saying it worked aok/peachy fine for me, removed old cct no key, installed new cct with included key, turned it=tensioned it after install, cake.
Somebody could send you a key if must have.  Also motion pro tools carries a cct tool.

I am pulling from memory, from working on my CBR. I doubt the VFR part is any different, but, I could be wrong. The reasoning for making the key is to retract the spring(and that cap that wants to fall off), probably to make it easier to take out(maybe so the cap won't fall off??)

[image: View Post]Tightwad, on 08 March 2010 - 09:38 PM, said:

Doug is right, they come with the key.  I have a brand new one I don't ever plan to install....next time one makes noise I will tighten the spring, I now have 3 spares..

Keith at Mason City Honda is the guy to talk to unless working as a tech gets you a motorcycle discount.


I tried to tighten the spring, 1 slip and it unwinds and you'l never get it back to close , other than a guessitmate.   I've got one too, but I dont trust it, cause of that reason.

In the metal gasket there's a pin hole oil orifice, doubling the size of that might be a good try too.

Some even remove the metal helmet cap and solved with that.

Tightening the tension on the chain is not where the noise is coming from, but its the internal body and plunger and oil flow to it , but tightening the tension might aide the body rattle..

I've heard of one guy doing like 5 turns on the spring, its unknown how this undo pressure will effect chain and guide longevity.  Or can the spring withstand that amount of twists with out breakage risk down the road , its pretty tight to begin with and if it breaks, then ya really got trouble.

I've been running the 10w40 car oil for the last 35,000 mile, I am going to try Redline MC oil when it gets hot, not for that reason, I kinda doubt that oil would make noise , it has a considerable amount of moly in it.

All my cct noise started when I moved (looking in hine sight) I'd been running Amsoil prior to the 20,000 odometer mark.  I started using various other mc oils and diesils, and the klack of the cct began. I tried a few things over that 12,000 mile period, till I finally replaced it. I think the noise disappeared for about 3 ,000 miles, that came back just as bad.

Then being cheap I stuck in some Valvoline 10w40, and holy moly noise gone BYE BYE.  Exxons suplerflow 10w40 works as does Motorcraft 10w40.

Even heard from someone that  castrol 10w40 works too on cct noise.  I do believe there are some of the 10w40 mc oils that will work too.

But I really do belive opening the tiny pin hole in that gasket, may me a worthy test for someone in the testing mood.

Anyway, I'm at 70,000 mile now and cct noise free for 35,000 mile all via 10w40 car oil.

[image: View Post]soichiro, on 08 March 2010 - 09:26 PM, said:

As the title states, what does a new CCT come with? I believe I have read that they come with the key.

Do I need to order the gasket or anything else?
TIA!


The key and cct , thats it

Yeah, use the key to retract the tensioner makes it easier to remove as it is shorter over all.  I would personally make a key with a longer handle so you can turn it easier...needle nose pliers work but one slip and it unwinds.

Taking it apart isn't that hard, you just have to maintain tension.  If I had a way to measure tension I would test the new one I have and compare it....maybe I can rig up a way to have it push against a postal scale.

[image: View Post]Tightwad, on 08 March 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

If I had a way to measure tension I would test the new one I have and compare it....maybe I can rig up a way to have it push against a postal scale.

Quick, dirty, and semi-accurate... set the CCT on a scale along with a steel rule, and see how much weight registers on the scale when each is compressed by 1/4"(or some other arbitrary number).

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 09 March 2010 - 06:49 AM, said:

[image: View Post]Tightwad, on 08 March 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

If I had a way to measure tension I would test the new one I have and compare it....maybe I can rig up a way to have it push against a postal scale.

Quick, dirty, and semi-accurate... set the CCT on a scale along with a steel rule, and see how much weight registers on the scale when each is compressed by 1/4"(or some other arbitrary number).

The CCT is a worm drive, and I don't think it will compress under pressure, it only goes out.  You have to twist it with the key to depress it.  I thought maybe position it 1/8" from the scale, then let it go and measure the pressure, then move the position by a small amount...maybe 1/4" farther and test again...I can't imagine the force is linear.

geeze..and i am thinking they came with an extra headache. :lurk:

i love my gear driven cams ..even if i cant hear the humm. :beer:

So I did some redneck testing using a digital postage scale and my vise.  I wasn't able to try as precise variables as I wanted as far as different lengths, but I did see that at nearly the end of travel (last 1/3) I was recording 2 lbs, 4 oz of pressure against the scale with a new CCT.  The CCT I had installed tested 2 lbs 4 oz, and 1 used CCT tested 2 lbs 4 oz.  A second used CCT tested 2lbs 1oz, but after winding the spring an additional 1 turn it measured 2lbs 6oz.

Again this was closer to the end of travel, further than most probably extend.  I will do further (more precise) testing if I get around to it with the CCTs I have, but I had to put one back on my bike.

So the new CCT is inserted with the key in it and then after tightening the bolts you remove the key?

Now let's say the new CCT was sitting on the dining room table and your 7 year old daughter removed the key and it extended fully. Am I screwed?

[image: View Post]smiffer, on 28 September 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

Now let's say the new CCT was sitting on the dining room table and your 7 year old daughter removed the key and it extended fully. Am I screwed?

Not at all.

Just engage the key into the plunger, turn to retract the plunger.  When the plunger is fully retracted fully seat the key into one of the cross slots to keep the plunger retained.

.... and the next time you have to replace the CCT look into the APE manual tensioner.

[image: View Post]smiffer, on 28 September 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

So the new CCT is inserted with the key in it and then after tightening the bolts you remove the key?

Now let's say the new CCT was sitting on the dining room table and your 7 year old daughter removed the key and it extended fully. Am I screwed?


you can compress it by turning with small screw driver the insert the key if thats easier

[image: View Post]Lee 2002, on 28 September 2010 - 05:26 PM, said:

.... and the next time you have to replace the CCT look into the APE manual tensioner.

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