stoppie?

I've got about 4k miles on my 08 VFR with ABS and I will soon take the Military Sportbike Course. Hard stops are parf of the course and I'm wondering whether I should be concerned about ending up with a "stoppie" under heavy braking. As I become more familiar with the techniques, It won't be an issue but I'd like to know if my early tries could end up with a "stoppie surprise." Thx -Larry

Making hard stops in class will be taught so there shouldn't be a problem.... It sure wouldn't hurt for you to work on panic stops... Do it in degrees....Say start at 20 mph / 30mph / 40mph ...... And don't stop any faster than what feels comphy you're not competing, you're practicing.... So by the time you take the class you should be way ahead of the game....

I would think the ABS plus the linked brake system would make it dam**d near impossible. Good for you for taking the class. I know, I know, they make you take it. Just pay attention and ALWAYS wear full gear! Good luck with the new bike from a prior Air Force guy.

After you take the class be sure to let us know what "their" method is for panic stopping........ IE; use F & R brake and when and if you are to pull in the clutch, etc.

We've had varying opinions .... And I'd like to know what they teach.... Ex Navy / Af here..........Thx

Put weight on the pegs, grab tank with your knees and squeeze progressively harder and harder until you stop. No need to worry about tucking the front b/c you got ABS.
Do it enought times to get comfortable.
Eventually you will be able to just jam on the front brake as hard as it will go.
ABS will take care of the rest.
Good luck with your training.

Oh, one more thing... Make sure noone's behind you when you do it.

Stoppies are not easy to do. Although it is possible to do one by accident, normally it takes a lot of effort and technique. It highly unlikely that you'll do this by accident, so I wouldn't stress about it!

[image: View Post]The mailman, on 10 September 2010 - 10:09 PM, said:

I would think the ABS plus the linked brake system would make it dam**d near impossible. Good for you for taking the class. I know, I know, they make you take it. Just pay attention and ALWAYS wear full gear! Good luck with the new bike from a prior Air Force guy.



THe ABS model will begin to stoppie, , under front brake only , as soon as the rear wheel starts to light the rear abs kicks in, But that was the stent of the stoppie. Not that I've spent much time trying to stoppie a vfr, thats more a joke anyway.

Thx for the responses, and I will take the advice to work on this with the VFR before the course. I've done plenty of practice panic stops with DL650, 1200GS, 800GS all with ABS but the VFR brakes seem far superior to these, thus my concern. I'll provide course technique feedback next month. BTW, the Military Sportbike course is mandatory to ride on base but military retired and DOD civilian employees can sign up for these courses, as well as Basic Rider and Experienced Rider courses, on a space available basis. They are MSF and Total Control (Lee Parks) based but are no cost to participants - - quite a deal! Thx again for the respones. -Larry

[image: View Post]larry2cur, on 11 September 2010 - 06:58 AM, said:

Thx for the responses, and I will take the advice to work on this with the VFR before the course. I've done plenty of practice panic stops with DL650, 1200GS, 800GS all with ABS but the VFR brakes seem far superior to these, thus my concern. I'll provide course technique feedback next month. BTW, the Military Sportbike course is mandatory to ride on base but military retired and DOD civilian employees can sign up for these courses, as well as Basic Rider and Experienced Rider courses, on a space available basis. They are MSF and Total Control (Lee Parks) based but are no cost to participants - - quite a deal! Thx again for the respones. -Larry



I'm presently unclear, whether your trying to stoppie, or concerned about stoppieing. So to clarify, there's virtually zero risk of stoppieng a vfr, if you didnt intend too. Its not an issue.

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No worries. The ABS will keep you from doing an actual stoppie.

I've done one full out panic stop from about 40mph when a mini-van came flying out in front of me in a left hand turn from a side road with no warning. And than stopped acrossed the road for no reason. I'l pulled the brakes to what felt like the bar and the rear got a light feeling but it stayed well planted on the ground. ABS did its trick that day.

Than the fat white trash chick driving got out yelled at me for almost hitting her van, as she looked for damage she explained to me how mad her husband would be if I had put a dent on it, so I got off my bike and kick the only spot that was rusted out, and told her to have her husband come find me, and drove off. Thankfully our white trash can't carry guns up here :laughing6-hehe:

[image: View Post]dweese, on 11 September 2010 - 06:10 PM, said:

I've done one full out panic stop from about 40mph when a mini-van came flying out in front of me in a left hand turn from a side road with no warning. And than stopped acrossed the road for no reason. I'l pulled the brakes to what felt like the bar and the rear got a light feeling but it stayed well planted on the ground. ABS did its trick that day.

Than the fat white trash chick driving got out yelled at me for almost hitting her van, as she looked for damage she explained to me how mad her husband would be if I had put a dent on it, so I got off my bike and kick the only spot that was rusted out, and told her to have her husband come find me, and drove off. Thankfully our white trash can't carry guns up here :laughing6-hehe:


It just amazes me how people like that can only see that someone else most have been at fault.

I would be glad to trade you my non-abs bike so you can practice stoppies then. What part of ABS is confusing you?

[image: View Post]DougFromIndy, on 11 September 2010 - 08:01 PM, said:

I would be glad to trade you my non-abs bike so you can practice stoppies then. What part of ABS is confusing you?

There's no brake lock up in a stoppie...

this question refers to a vfr & stoppie in the same sentence?

There seems to be some confusion going on here. As KPerham has pointed out, the wheel does not lock up during a stoppie.
So, you can do it on an ABS bike just fine. :squid:
What the ABS IS going to do though is save your bacon if you overdo it and lock up the front unexpectedly.
I've done a stoppie on my non-abs version once by accident - Panic stop in traffic. As long as you are applying progressive pressure to the front brake, you will be able to control what happens when the rear lifts off.

The one time I tried to stoppie, I had to try really hard. You'd have to be a totally green, inexperienced noob to endo a 5th/6th gen VFR without actually hitting something...

:laughing6-hehe:I tried to do a stoppie once on my supermoto and it smashed my :laughing6-hehe: :laughing6-hehe:Nutz on the tank, lol ....that was it for me. :laughing6-hehe:

[image: View Post]KPerham, on 11 September 2010 - 08:29 PM, said:

There's no brake lock up in a stoppie...


No, but because of the LBS, the rear is getting some break force. Here's how I see things working

Hit brakes hard.
Rear wheel starts to come off ground.
Brake force from LBS starts to slow rear wheel much more than front wheel.
ABS senses speed difference.
ABS relieves brake force momentarily
Rear wheel is dropped back to ground and has traction.

So it should be impossible to stoppie because of the LBS + ABS

You can stoppie a non-ABS, but it's definitely an on-purpose sort of event. On an ABS I would not worry about it.

Do an emergency stop every time you go riding. Do not do this near an intersection-but do a panic stop every day. You will then be comfortable when you have to do it for real. Read the road and conditions and you will hardly ever have to do a panic stop. Street riding is a 3D chess game and it is 90%mental and 10% physical.