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3rd Gen Bike Porn @ Deal's Gap

23 posts Started 24 Sep 2010 Last recovered post 26 Sep 2010 Wayback Machine snapshot 27 Sep 2010

#1
Well I just got back from Deal's Gap a few days ago and had a blast! I just turned 12k miles on my 3rd Gen and she didn't skip a beat. Other than the speeding ticket I got on the way home the trip was perfect. This was my first time staying at the Kickstand Lodge and I can't say enough about Mo and the others I met there! I'll definately be staying there again soon!

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Group1.JPG

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Pearl2.JPG

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Pearl1.JPG

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Photo1.JPG

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Photo2.JPG

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Photo3.JPG

Rollin
#2
Ooooh


Beautiful :fing02:
#3
Nice!! :fing02:

[image: View Post]RollinAgain, on 24 September 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Photo1.JPG

Is that the lower fairing scraping the asphalt?
#4
more rear preload amigo, but lookin good!
#5

[image: View Post]betarace, on 24 September 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

more rear preload amigo, but lookin good!


Yeah I kinda figured that out after I managed to bend my license plate slightly. I don't usually run the 3rd Gen hard but I just couldn't resist on those roads.

Rollin
#6

[image: View Post]RollinAgain, on 24 September 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:


http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Photo2.JPG

http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Photo3.JPG




Nice pics - and they remind me AGAIN - that I really need to learn how to ride better. Sweet!!!
#7

[image: View Post]RollinAgain, on 24 September 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

Well I just got back from Deal's Gap a few days ago and had a blast!
http://vfrguy.com/Pics/DealsGap/Photo2.JPG

Rollin


Sweet shots, glad you had a great time! :fing02:

Not trying to be a buzz kill but wanted to make a comment on rider form and lean angles.

If you study this pic you will notice that the majority of your body is actually above the centerline of the bike, in general this is not a good thing. The higher you body and bodyline the more the bike has to lean over, where as the less the bike lean angle the better/safer.
Work on lowering your body, even just your upper body. Every bit of weight/body you can get below the centerline of the bike will allow the bike to take a lessor lean angle, less lean angle means more safety margin.

Again great shots, love the 93 VFR. :fing02:
btw If you think my comments are not positive I apologize and will be happy to delete them.

BR
#8
Kevin,

I already knew that comment would be coming from someone because I saw it myself before I even posted the pics. I do normally try to set up my body angle better into the turns but I had a hard time getting into a rhythm that day since it was a challenging new road and I was already worn out from the trip from Atlanta just a short while earlier. I've been riding for 20+ years and consider myself to be a decent rider but I also know there is always room for improvement. Now do you mind explaining to my wife how a dedicated track bike would make me a better rider?

Rollin
#9

[image: View Post]RollinAgain, on 24 September 2010 - 10:54 PM, said:

Kevin,

I already knew that comment would be coming from someone because I saw it myself before I even posted the pics. I do normally try to set up my body angle better into the turns but I had a hard time getting into a rhythm that day since it was a challenging new road and I was already worn out from the trip from Atlanta just a short while earlier. I've been riding for 20+ years and consider myself to be a decent rider but I also know there is always room for improvement. Now do you mind explaining to my wife how a dedicated track bike would make me a better rider?

Rollin


Rollin, come on out to Tally the Oct 16 or 17 and i'll be happy to show why the vfr is a capable machine but the SS bikes in track gear are sooo much "better" for that use and education... probably be better to come on the 16th since there is a Bargy school going on that day as well. :cool:
#10
Cool pics! Very nice bike! :fing02:
#11
Great pictures and thanks for sharing, looks like you had a great time. i read somewhere that the maximum lean angle is 47 degrees so it looks like you had plenty to spare...

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1285408151/med_gallery_20729_5565_20113.png
#12
Wow Rollin,

we are really breaking this one down for ya!!! :laughing6-hehe:

I want your bike....bad. :goofy:


I want your bike bad. DANG that bike's awesome.

People, you should see it in person.... :beer:
#13
That bike ALWAYS draws a crowd at bike night.... The people start to tell you how they wanted it back in the day and how it still appeals to them just as much now. Thank you for preserving her so the rest of us can appreciate it. :fing02:

Cheers,
Park
#14

[image: View Post]RollinAgain, on 24 September 2010 - 10:54 PM, said:

Kevin,

I already knew that comment would be coming from someone because I saw it myself before I even posted the pics. I do normally try to set up my body angle better into the turns but I had a hard time getting into a rhythm that day since it was a challenging new road and I was already worn out from the trip from Atlanta just a short while earlier. I've been riding for 20+ years and consider myself to be a decent rider but I also know there is always room for improvement. Now do you mind explaining to my wife how a dedicated track bike would make me a better rider?

Rollin


Hey Rollin,
Thanks for not taking my comments as any type of slam as that is the last thing I would intend! :blush:
My purpose here on VFRD is to use whatever methods necessary to improve knowledge, skills, fun and safety of all out members including me! Sometimes I'm dissecting my own mistakes or experiences in an effort to hopefully help the next guy not make the same mistake or gain from something I have learned. :fing02:
While your shots are awesome looking especially on a sweet 93(my fav) it did provide a chance for a learning opportunity about safety and lean angles. While extreme bike lean angles look great(not that yours are that extreme), there are for the most part a negative vs lessor lean angles, especially on the street. I have taken the opportunity to shed my views about safety and lean angles here many times. In fact many of my early track day photos show similar style that took me many, many weekends to improve on.

Experienced & Skilled riders like yourself can ride and handle these angles, but for newer members and riders trying to learn how to ride that see pics like these and go cool I want to try that. Teaching them to learn to ride safely should help provide a more prolonged and safer riding carrier and learning how to ride at lessor lean angles is one area of focus.

Thanks for letting me use your photo for an teaching opportunity. :biggrin:

BR

ps here a shot of me screwing up pretty good on the Gap a few years ago! Not only is my body angle not that good, my line sux as I'm almost on the yellow line and my head and upper body are basically in the oncoming lane! :ohmy:
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This shot also shows a common problem where my butt is hanging off, but my upper body & head are basically canceling out half of what my lower body is doing by crossing back above the bikes center-line.
#15
I see the same thing.

What is this lean angle program? That is so cool.

I call my style the Schwantz, Russell style. They are both worls champs and keep their upper body over the tank. My form is decent, but I know my head doesnt move enough. Head position sux. Textile pants so knee is pulled in.


What lean angle is this. This is the same corner as Seb,s famous picture.

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1217458759/gallery_7269_2754_77762.jpg
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#16
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This is more better. I know what to do , but usually find I dont get my head over the centerline.
#17
wheres jeremy :idea3: great pics i so want to go back to the gap again. Maybe next year :fing02:
#18

[image: View Post]soichiro, on 25 September 2010 - 02:35 PM, said:

I see the same thing.

What is this lean angle program? That is so cool.

I call my style the Schwantz, Russell style. They are both worls champs and keep their upper body over the tank. My form is decent, but I know my head doesnt move enough. Head position sux. Textile pants so knee is pulled in.

What lean angle is this. This is the same corner as Seb,s famous picture.

It's just some old image editin program on this here personal computerational device (GIMP on Linux).
Where is this corner located? i need to go see it!
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1285408151/gallery_20729_5565_87472.png
#19
Your program says I suck. My lean angle is low, I am dradding pegs. It's all body positioning.

I still claim the textile pants throw me off. I think (hope) I do better in leathers. That second picture was after owing the bike 3 months and just learning to get a knee down.

Both photos are at 421 shady valley, the snake.

Seb's's infamous picture with sparks was taken at the same time.
#20
Now straiten me out, if I am incorrect.
Lean angle is measured from vertcle, not horizontal.

That is really getting with the program, at Shady. Nice work.


Gotta give Rollin, a nod as not to thread jack this thing. I think that white 3rd gen are the best looking VFRs!

Mac
#21

[image: View Post]soichiro, on 26 September 2010 - 11:05 AM, said:

Your program says I suck. My lean angle is low, I am dradding pegs. It's all body positioning.

Like Mac says, it is measured from a line perpendicular to the road surface so your lean angle is 54.
#22

[image: View Post]Mac, on 26 September 2010 - 12:12 PM, said:

Now straiten me out, if I am incorrect.
Lean angle is measured from vertcle, not horizontal.

That is really getting with the program, at Shady. Nice work.


Gotta give Rollin, a nod as not to thread jack this thing. I think that white 3rd gen are the best looking VFRs!

Mac


Yeah it is a great looking bike.

/begin threadjacking mode/

And according to wiki you are correct about the angle, i was just too lazy to do the math and it's easier to measure from the ground up, so Lean Angle=90-horizontal angle
from [http://en.wikipedia....cycle_dynamics]
Leaning

However, unlike other wheeled vehicles, bikes must also lean during a turn to balance the relevant forces: gravitational, inertial, frictional, and ground support. The angle of lean, θ, can easily be calculated using the laws of circular motion:

\theta = \arctan \left (\frac{v^2}{gr}\right )

where v is the forward speed, r is the radius of the turn and g is the acceleration of gravity.[25] This is in the idealized case. A slight increase in the lean angle may be required on motorcycles to compensate for the width of modern tires at the same forward speed and turn radius.[22]

For example, a bike in a 10 m (33 ft) radius steady-state turn at 10 m/s (22 mph) must be at an angle of 45�. A rider can lean with respect to the bike in order to keep either the torso or the bike more or less upright if desired. The angle that matters is the one between the horizontal plane and the plane defined by the tire contacts and the location of the center of mass of bike and rider.

This lean of the bike decreases the actual radius of the turn proportionally to the cosine of the lean angle. The resulting radius can be roughly approximated (within 2% of exact value) by:

r = \frac{w\cos \left (\theta \right )}{\delta \cos \left (\phi \right )}

where r is the approximate radius, w is the wheelbase, θ is the lean angle, δ is the steer angle, and φ is the caster angle of the steering axis.[7] As a bike leans, the tires' contact patches move farther to the side causing wear. The portions at either edge of a motorcycle tire that remain unworn by leaning into turns is sometimes referred to as chicken strips.

/end tj mode/
#23
I thought 47degrees for a pilot power or other ss road tire. How am I at 54degrees and still up?

So I dont suck, I am just stupid and mostly crazy, lol.

Didnt mean to thredjack. I just think that lean angle tool is very educational.

I too love the 90-93, it's the VFR I feel in love with at 15 years of age.
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