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My new 1200 vs. my 800's

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#1
Hey all!

I have about a 1000 miles on my new VFR1200F and I wanted to share my unbiased thoughts on the new bike and compare it to my three previous VFR's. First, to those that say the 1200 is "not a VFR," yes, I believe it is. This is my fourth VFR. I have had two 2000 VFR's (yellow) and my '07 RWB. They are definitely brothers. Comfortable, V4, with good utility and refinement for it's day. It's heavier than previous model's, but most of that disappears once underway. Definitely noticeable around the garage, but not bad. Turn in is a bit slower, but it is even more stable. I have raised the fork a few mm's on the '07 and that quickened the steering without losing stability. I have yet to do that on the 1200. Perhaps tomorrow. The motor rocks! You better be pointed where you want to pointed when you squeeze the trigger! It's a bullet. That being said, it is a peach of an engine to use in normal riding. It does not beg you to cane it, but will respond willingly if caned. The odd lack of power at low revs in 1st & 2nd is well documented and definitely there. It is not noticeable if you rev through that range. However, if you are steady in that RPM range and sqeeze the trigger, it kind of hangs and accelerates slowly at first, then builds quite strong as the revs rise. The only time it is an issue is during a pass. You're better off in third.......power now! Don't know why Honda did it. It's is an oddity on the bike and does not belong. I can live with it (at least until Bazaaz comes out with their fuel injection mapping unit). The ride is comfortable. Similar to my '07. Good chasis and suspension for it's mission. Absorbs bumps fine and relatively smooth for a sporty bike. The wind protection is much better than my previous gens and they were good. The brakes are amazing. The best street bike brakes I've ever used. Nice and progressive and really powerful if you want. Two finger braking would easily bring in full brakes. I found myself braking with one finger at times and I've never done that. No engine heat! All those swoopy body layers work wonders. I idled through one small town traffic jam in PA in 93 degree heat and felt no engine heat. The seat is about the same in comfort. I rode my bike 600+ miles home from north east PA over two days and enjoyed the ride immensely. The roads ranged from twisties, sweepers, some city riding and expressway. It was as easy and versatile as my '07 or Y2K's but smoother and more refined. It is a highly refined bike. Fit and finish are unlike anything I've ever owned. A natural evolution of the 6th gen and definitely kin.

What would I change................in order of preference...........the saddlebags should be able to hold my helmet (this is a stoopid oversight on Honda's part). Get rid of the odd power management in the low revs of 1st & 2nd. Where the hell is the center stand? Oh, wait, I have to buy one. Stoopid. Why would you swap the turn signal/horn buttons. Oh, I see, symmetry with the right controls. Stoopid. Lose some weight. Don't get me wrong, the girls got nice curves. She could just lose a few pounds. I still like spending time with her, but a weight loss program wouldn't hurt. Oh, it's a fancy bike with a fancy price tag (I paid much, much less), why is there no trip computer or cruise control Honda? It's a technology leader, but couldn't get that done for that price. That's about it. Overall, I like the bike very much though and my '07 is on Ebay and Craigslist. It's a nice step up from my 6th gen and I like it. Did I mention that I like it?

Ride safe.

Mark
#2
Congrats and thanks for sharing! :fing02:
#3
Congrats, for the rest of us Loyal VFR ers, its stick to the 800, Buy an R1 or Ninga 1000.

I saw the new CB1000r, much like a street tripple or z1000, not really my ideal ergo.

Before the VFR 800 dies, I may have to do a Ride in , for a Sargeant seat with my own custom specs.

That is the only complaint really, I dont know where all thse guys keep having the electrical issue, but I wish they go away and run like my bike. :biggrin:
#4

[image: View Post]spud786, on 08 June 2011 - 09:05 PM, said:


That is the only complaint really, I dont know where all thse guys keep having the electrical issue, but I wish they go away and run like my bike. :biggrin:
What electical issue? This is a 7th gen thread no issues reported on a 7th gen?
#5
Thanks Mark. Am seriously considering a 1200 (not new) so your comments help.
#6
I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.
#7

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.


+1 I fit my large Arai in the left saddlebag as well. It only fits one way but it fits. You have to put it in top first with the visor facing toward the front of the bike. Honda claimed that the left saddlebag fit most full face helmets and it seems they are right. They just didn't say it was brain teaser to get it in.
#8
thanks for the comparative test :fing02:
#9
I don't have anything to compare it to it's just the best bike I've owned. I was thinking of keeping my Harley but sold it because I just didn't care to ride anymore. I looked at the 6th Gen but they didn't do anything for me but the first time I put a leg over the 1200vfr it was just a perfect fit now 6k miles since the end of JAN it's all smiles. I searched all over the web looking for all "reviews" and opinions on the 1200vfr and couldn't believe all the bashing from people that hadn't even ridden one.
#10

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.



Which HJC model do you have? I remember reading someone could fit theirs. My KBC VR2 does not fit. The Scorpions look like smaller shell size as well. Thanks.

Mark
#11

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 09 June 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.



Which HJC model do you have? I remember reading someone could fit theirs. My KBC VR2 does not fit. The Scorpions look like smaller shell size as well. Thanks.

Mark

I have several HJC full face helmets cl-sp, symax and Carbon fiber. I haven't tried to put the symax (flip up) because I'm usually wearing it. If you play with it enough I'm sure most helmets can fit into the left side bags. I have been told that the HJC helmet have a larger outer shell than most premium brand helmets, that's why I mentioned the HJC brand.
#12

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 09 June 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.



Which HJC model do you have? I remember reading someone could fit theirs. My KBC VR2 does not fit. The Scorpions look like smaller shell size as well. Thanks.

Mark

I have several HJC full face helmets cl-sp, symax and Carbon fiber. I haven't tried to put the symax (flip up) because I'm usually wearing it. If you play with it enough I'm sure most helmets can fit into the left side bags. I have been told that the HJC helmet have a larger outer shell than most premium brand helmets, that's why I mentioned the HJC brand.



If it's not too much trouble, would you please take a picture of your saddlebag with the helmet in it? Uh, open bag of course. I don't know how you fit it in there. I have an HJC as well and I can't make it fit. Wanna know how you do it. Thanks and ride safe.


Mark
#13
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[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 10 June 2011 - 07:07 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 09 June 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.



Which HJC model do you have? I remember reading someone could fit theirs. My KBC VR2 does not fit. The Scorpions look like smaller shell size as well. Thanks.

Mark

I have several HJC full face helmets cl-sp, symax and Carbon fiber. I haven't tried to put the symax (flip up) because I'm usually wearing it. If you play with it enough I'm sure most helmets can fit into the left side bags. I have been told that the HJC helmet have a larger outer shell than most premium brand helmets, that's why I mentioned the HJC brand.



If it's not too much trouble, would you please take a picture of your saddlebag with the helmet in it? Uh, open bag of course. I don't know how you fit it in there. I have an HJC as well and I can't make it fit. Wanna know how you do it. Thanks and ride safe.


Mark

The helmet I used is a medium HJC Cl, the parking garage has low lighting so the video didn't come out so well

[image: Attached File]  sb back view video.MOV (28.98MB)
Number of downloads: 17.

[image: Attached Image: Helmet side bag.JPG]
#14

[image: View Post]SeeMeDo, on 09 June 2011 - 04:50 PM, said:

I don't have anything to compare it to it's just the best bike I've owned. I was thinking of keeping my Harley but sold it because I just didn't care to ride anymore. I looked at the 6th Gen but they didn't do anythinVFR1200 redefines the sport/touring segment of the market with the emphasis on sportg for me but the first time I put a leg over the 1200vfr it was just a perfect fit now 6k miles since the end of JAN it's all smiles. I searched all over the web looking for all "reviews" and opinions on the 1200vfr and couldn't believe all the bashing from people that hadn't even ridden one.


Glad you're enjoying the ride. I'm amazed that there are a bunch of 1200 bashers out there, but, hey, it's the internet, and you'll have that. And, yes, most likely most of those bashers haven't ridden the 1200, but they're also frustrated that it didn't live up to their vision of what the 7th gen should be. Maybe they wanted a liter bike with touring ergos and chain drive, Maybe they wanted a harder core VFR with no shaft drive, maybe they like the shaft drive and thought it was too sport oriented. The point being that , obviously, the 1200 can't be everyone's bike. That's why we have cruisers, sport, sport/touring, adventure, touring, MX, and Gold Wings.

Certainly, the 7th gen could've been a '98 VFR with liter displacement, chain drive, more sporting ergos, and updated bodywork (Oh yeah, and gear-driven cams :biggrin: ). But it wasn't. For that clientele, Honda wants you to buy a CBR1000. To me, the VFR1200 redefines the sport touring segment of the market with the emphasis on sport as opposed to, say, the Kawasaki Concours 1400 which leans more to the touring side of the equation. All in all, I think it's a pretty good effort on Honda's part if a little too pricey. So, I'll be waiting 'til about 2014 or so until I can find a reasonably priced used one on flea-bay.
#15
obviously, the 1200 can't be everyone's bike. That's why we have cruisers, sport, sport/touring, adventure, touring, MX, and Gold Wings.

))))))))))))))

Exactly, While I am on the look out for potential VFR replacement, there's no hurry, the 1200 doesnt do it for me, Its not a VFR thing, a Honda thing or anything else. Its just not what I want. I dont even want a test ride.

One of the things missing on many street bikes, is the VFr800's adjustability. A well set up one, also offers a certain presitge on the road.

If Honda, wanted to catch my eye, they could of, but their engineers are totally out of touch with most potential VFR buyers of my Type.
#16

[image: View Post]spud786, on 08 June 2011 - 09:05 PM, said:

That is the only complaint really, I dont know where all thse guys keep having the electrical issue, but I wish they go away and run like my bike. :biggrin:


Honda made a few changes 06+. These corrected the electrical harness issues and what not ;)

06+ essentially have no issues if maintained!
#17

[image: View Post]spud786, on 11 June 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

obviously, the 1200 can't be everyone's bike. That's why we have cruisers, sport, sport/touring, adventure, touring, MX, and Gold Wings.

))))))))))))))

Exactly, While I am on the look out for potential VFR replacement, there's no hurry, the 1200 doesnt do it for me, Its not a VFR thing, a Honda thing or anything else. Its just not what I want. I dont even want a test ride.

One of the things missing on many street bikes, is the VFr800's adjustability. A well set up one, also offers a certain presitge on the road.

If Honda, wanted to catch my eye, they could of, but their engineers are totally out of touch with most potential VFR buyers of my Type.



I thought this too, but slowly started to like it. Then I read a few reviews about how high it's level of refinement is. I would NOT have bought one for retail or anywhere near that. However, I found this used one cheap with only 402 miles on Ebay last December and pulled the trigger. The dealer was a joy to work with and I thoroughly enjoyed my ride home. As I stated on a reply to a post a few months ago, "It seems Honda out-BMW'd BMW." It's more refined feeling than my Dad's BMW K1200LT and the fit and finish is amazing. Unlike anything I've ever seen. It's not without it's foibles though. Smaller saddlebags, no centerstand, odd power mgt in 1st & 2nd, goofy turn signal/horn switch placement, a bit heavy, and no cruise control or trip computer for the insane price tag. That being said. I like it very much. I have plenty of complaints about my 7th gen as well, and I like it a lot too. Oh, I only paid $9999 plus tax and a $50 doc fee. If it were $10,999, I would be riding my '07 this summer and loving it too. Ride safe.


Mark
#18

[image: View Post]Dae, on 10 June 2011 - 11:26 PM, said:

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[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 10 June 2011 - 07:07 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 09 June 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.



Which HJC model do you have? I remember reading someone could fit theirs. My KBC VR2 does not fit. The Scorpions look like smaller shell size as well. Thanks.

Mark

I have several HJC full face helmets cl-sp, symax and Carbon fiber. I haven't tried to put the symax (flip up) because I'm usually wearing it. If you play with it enough I'm sure most helmets can fit into the left side bags. I have been told that the HJC helmet have a larger outer shell than most premium brand helmets, that's why I mentioned the HJC brand.



If it's not too much trouble, would you please take a picture of your saddlebag with the helmet in it? Uh, open bag of course. I don't know how you fit it in there. I have an HJC as well and I can't make it fit. Wanna know how you do it. Thanks and ride safe.


Mark

The helmet I used is a medium HJC Cl, the parking garage has low lighting so the video didn't come out so well

[image: Attached File]  sb back view video.MOV (28.98MB)
Number of downloads: 17.

[image: Attached Image: Helmet side bag.JPG]



Thank you very much! I think I tried every angles but that. I really appreciate it! Ride safe.

Mark
#19
Howdy!

I got a demo ride on one yesterday. These are some of my thoughts-
Agreed, turn in is slower, maybe due to choice of rubber. Never have liked Dunslops.
Weight, have to it feels heavier than my 6th gen, but the engine and brakes (LOVED THE BRAKES!) compensate well for that. Also does not feel as top heavy. The seat was great for the short time I rode....
Shifted into third at about 85 mph, and it lifted the front wheel. Very nice.
Priced too high for the market.

Mac
#20
Give me a fuel tank with an easy 200mile range like my 6th gen and I'd pull the trigger tomorrow on a new 1200

There is an 2010 sitting at the local dealer since this time last year, and they have cut the price by $4000 (Still $14,000 Canadian) and still can't sell it. Sales guy says lots of people look, but once they see its an 18liter fuel tank they turn away. He says he has told his Honda Canada Rep, and the rep says he knows, but doesn't know if its being addressed by Honda.
#21

[image: View Post]Mac, on 11 June 2011 - 07:13 AM, said:

Howdy!

I got a demo ride on one yesterday. These are some of my thoughts-
Agreed, turn in is slower, maybe due to choice of rubber. Never have liked Dunslops.
Weight, have to it feels heavier than my 6th gen, but the engine and brakes (LOVED THE BRAKES!) compensate well for that. Also does not feel as top heavy. The seat was great for the short time I rode....
Shifted into third at about 85 mph, and it lifted the front wheel. Very nice.
Priced too high for the market.

Mac


Wow! I never mentioned the brakes in my original write up. They are awesome. Second only to my Ducati 800 SuperSport track bike with a Brembo aftermarket master cylinder and aftermarket pads. The Ducati brakes violently when asked, the VFR nearly so, but I've never asked for full brakes. They are nice and progressive with no fade on the twisties I rode. Incredible street brakes. Ride safe. Fuel range not an issue to me. I like to stop after 120 miles or so anway and I got about 45 MPG average on the way home.

Mark

(fixed the original write up)
#22
Thanks for the write up . Good stuff.
#23
My local dealer will have 10 V12-DCT's lined up for test rides next week, so I'll try and see what this V12 is all about :fing02:
#24

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 11 June 2011 - 06:50 AM, said:

[image: View Post]spud786, on 11 June 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

obviously, the 1200 can't be everyone's bike. That's why we have cruisers, sport, sport/touring, adventure, touring, MX, and Gold Wings.

))))))))))))))

Exactly, While I am on the look out for potential VFR replacement, there's no hurry, the 1200 doesnt do it for me, Its not a VFR thing, a Honda thing or anything else. Its just not what I want. I dont even want a test ride.

One of the things missing on many street bikes, is the VFr800's adjustability. A well set up one, also offers a certain presitge on the road.

If Honda, wanted to catch my eye, they could of, but their engineers are totally out of touch with most potential VFR buyers of my Type.




Understood, The BMW k1200/1300 s , is to large of bike for what I do, Thats where Id put the 1200 vfr into that catagory. As to which Id choose if in that market, Im not sure. I know any sheganery, with motor or shifting, would be an immediate deal killer.
#25
Glad to hear that you like the new VFR and that it works for you. Cheers!
#26

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 11 June 2011 - 06:50 AM, said:

[image: View Post]spud786, on 11 June 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

obviously, the 1200 can't be everyone's bike. That's why we have cruisers, sport, sport/touring, adventure, touring, MX, and Gold Wings.

))))))))))))))

Exactly, While I am on the look out for potential VFR replacement, there's no hurry, the 1200 doesnt do it for me, Its not a VFR thing, a Honda thing or anything else. Its just not what I want. I dont even want a test ride.

One of the things missing on many street bikes, is the VFr800's adjustability. A well set up one, also offers a certain presitge on the road.

If Honda, wanted to catch my eye, they could of, but their engineers are totally out of touch with most potential VFR buyers of my Type.



I thought this too, but slowly started to like it. Then I read a few reviews about how high it's level of refinement is. I would NOT have bought one for retail or anywhere near that. However, I found this used one cheap with only 402 miles on Ebay last December and pulled the trigger. The dealer was a joy to work with and I thoroughly enjoyed my ride home. As I stated on a reply to a post a few months ago, "It seems Honda out-BMW'd BMW." It's more refined feeling than my Dad's BMW K1200LT and the fit and finish is amazing. Unlike anything I've ever seen. It's not without it's foibles though. Smaller saddlebags, no centerstand, odd power mgt in 1st & 2nd, goofy turn signal/horn switch placement, a bit heavy, and no cruise control or trip computer for the insane price tag. That being said. I like it very much. I have plenty of complaints about my 7th gen as well, and I like it a lot too. Oh, I only paid $9999 plus tax and a $50 doc fee. If it were $10,999, I would be riding my '07 this summer and loving it too. Ride safe.


Mark


It's not fair, I paid over $27,000 for the VFR and around $60,000 for Hyundai Genesis which is made here in Korea. You guys in the United States are so lucky, we also pay around $8 for a gallon of gas
#27

[image: View Post]Dae, on 11 June 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 11 June 2011 - 06:50 AM, said:

[image: View Post]spud786, on 11 June 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

obviously, the 1200 can't be everyone's bike. That's why we have cruisers, sport, sport/touring, adventure, touring, MX, and Gold Wings.

))))))))))))))

Exactly, While I am on the look out for potential VFR replacement, there's no hurry, the 1200 doesnt do it for me, Its not a VFR thing, a Honda thing or anything else. Its just not what I want. I dont even want a test ride.

One of the things missing on many street bikes, is the VFr800's adjustability. A well set up one, also offers a certain presitge on the road.

If Honda, wanted to catch my eye, they could of, but their engineers are totally out of touch with most potential VFR buyers of my Type.



I thought this too, but slowly started to like it. Then I read a few reviews about how high it's level of refinement is. I would NOT have bought one for retail or anywhere near that. However, I found this used one cheap with only 402 miles on Ebay last December and pulled the trigger. The dealer was a joy to work with and I thoroughly enjoyed my ride home. As I stated on a reply to a post a few months ago, "It seems Honda out-BMW'd BMW." It's more refined feeling than my Dad's BMW K1200LT and the fit and finish is amazing. Unlike anything I've ever seen. It's not without it's foibles though. Smaller saddlebags, no centerstand, odd power mgt in 1st & 2nd, goofy turn signal/horn switch placement, a bit heavy, and no cruise control or trip computer for the insane price tag. That being said. I like it very much. I have plenty of complaints about my 7th gen as well, and I like it a lot too. Oh, I only paid $9999 plus tax and a $50 doc fee. If it were $10,999, I would be riding my '07 this summer and loving it too. Ride safe.


Mark


It's not fair, I paid over $27,000 for the VFR and around $60,000 for Hyundai Genesis which is made here in Korea. You guys in the United States are so lucky, we also pay around $8 for a gallon of gas



Kahm Sahm Nee Da! That's for the pic and video about the helmet.
(hope I spelled that right)

Mark
#28

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 11 June 2011 - 06:54 AM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 10 June 2011 - 11:26 PM, said:

http://

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 10 June 2011 - 07:07 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

[image: View Post]interceptorrider, on 09 June 2011 - 05:01 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Dae, on 09 June 2011 - 06:19 AM, said:

I'm able to fit my HJC medium helmet on the left side bag, but it is a tight fit with not much room to spare.



Which HJC model do you have? I remember reading someone could fit theirs. My KBC VR2 does not fit. The Scorpions look like smaller shell size as well. Thanks.

Mark

I have several HJC full face helmets cl-sp, symax and Carbon fiber. I haven't tried to put the symax (flip up) because I'm usually wearing it. If you play with it enough I'm sure most helmets can fit into the left side bags. I have been told that the HJC helmet have a larger outer shell than most premium brand helmets, that's why I mentioned the HJC brand.



If it's not too much trouble, would you please take a picture of your saddlebag with the helmet in it? Uh, open bag of course. I don't know how you fit it in there. I have an HJC as well and I can't make it fit. Wanna know how you do it. Thanks and ride safe.


Mark

The helmet I used is a medium HJC Cl, the parking garage has low lighting so the video didn't come out so well

[image: Attached File]  sb back view video.MOV (28.98MB)
Number of downloads: 17.

[image: Attached Image: Helmet side bag.JPG]



Thank you very much! I think I tried every angles but that. I really appreciate it! Ride safe.

Mark



I have an Arai Profile (size XL). It will NOT fit into the bag any which way - including as in the photo. The visor covers touch at the bottom and the top of the bag. Posted Image
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