So I must admit, in the past, I've been a bit lax with chain maintenance. I don't keep records on how long they last, I just slap on a new one with sprockets when it's time, and tighten whenever required.
As far as lubing is concerned, I do that a lot, so the area around my chain is usually pretty grungy. On the road, on long multi-day trips, I lube it at the end of every day.
But for cleaning, I've always been a total slacker.
I recently bought a Grunge Brush off Fleabay, waiting for it to arrive.
So my question is, for those of us who actually clean their chains, what do you use, and how do you use it? WD40? Simple Green? Kersosene? Diesel? Varsol?
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I wipe it down with a rag and re-lube every 500 miles with DuPont Teflon Chain Saver. The chain saver doesn't fling, so other than the chain itself, there isn't much that needs cleaning.
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Once or twice per season, I use the DuPont degreaser.
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This is my first bike with a chain, but this routine has worked for 19K miles so far. Chain still looks good.
I just take a rag and some wd40, no reason to make it inspection clean. I use a very heavy film base Lubricant, thats why Im still running the rear stock sprocket at 100,000 miles. I did replace the front sprocket at 53,000 miles, and it showed very little wear matched to a new one, could have easily went another 10,000 miles.
Actually that original front, I saved it, cause its still has life if I dont feel like spending $50 on a new one.
Edited May 8, 2012 by spud786I wipe it down with a rag and kerosene and spray it with Dupont teflon chain lube.
Kerosene and a grunge brush to clean the chain. PJ1 Blue Label chain lube. I do this about every 600 miles which is probably more often than necessary.
Keep it quick and simple. Spray with WD40, wipe with a rag, spray with your choice of chain lube.
timmythecop
um.............
Lemme guess...Timmy's chain is...um...BLACK! :tongue:
I spray some wd-40 on a rag and wipe down the chain. Spraying directly on chain may flush lube from inside o-rings, which should be avoided.
I then use a clean, dry rag to wipe down again to remove any remaining wd-40.
Now it's time to add chain lube, preferably after getting chain warm by riding a few miles.
I also use the DuPont multi-purpose lube, but have yet to find any of the "Chain Saver" mentioned above.
Cleaning the chain is a 3-4 times a year deal, depending on riding conditions, but I lube every 200-300 miles.
On a related note...how often do you guys find you need to adjust the chain? I think I have only needed to do it twice in 19K miles.
ConedodgerI wipe it down with a rag and re-lube every 500 miles with DuPont Teflon Chain Saver. The chain saver doesn't fling, so other than the chain itself, there isn't much that needs cleaning.
As far as I can tell from the MSDS sheets, Dupont's Chain Saver is the same as their Multi-Use lubricant that Maddog mentioned, which is what I've been using for a while. Lowes carries it, as does Amazon, Ace Hardware's on-line superstore, and a host of other places.
I just soak a rag in the stuff, grab the chain underneath the swing arm and wipe while rotating the tire until it's clean.
If I'm feeling particularly dainty, I'll put on latex gloves to keep it off my hands.
Conedodger
On a related note...how often do you guys find you need to adjust the chain? I think I have only needed to do it twice in 19K miles.
For me when I get a chain that actually measures the slack the same all round. I adjust when installed then a couple 100 or less, then a little maybe about half life(1000K). Then the next time it starts needing adjustment is telling me to order a new chain.
Every 500+ miles I spray chain and wipe with rag that has brake cleaner on it, the another rag with light oil.
Monk
...For me when I get a chain that actually measures the slack the same all round. I adjust when installed then a couple 100 or less, then a little maybe about half life(1000K). Then the next time it starts needing adjustment is telling me to order a new chain.
so is the half life 1 million miles (km?) or is that the whole life? Either way, you've got pass on that brand of lube.... :ph34r:
Brian
Edited May 8, 2012 by DDO-VFRI try to lube every 500 miles. I used to get the chain clean using a degreaser first. When I mentioned it to my dealer mechanic, he said the same thing as maddog: Don't clean it beyond a simple wipe-down. It strips the lube from the o-rings. I have used several brands of chain / cable lube and something called chain wax. All seem to work fine. I'm not to picky about that.
There have been periods when I did not lube often enough. That lead to very short chain/sprocket life. Since I've been more diligent, it has need no adjustment for the last year.
btw: One year ago, because of the earthquake in Japan, I could not get a OEM chain/sprockets when I was doing an overhaul of the bikes needs. So the service manager suggested an aftermarket set. That set has seemed much more durable than OEM. That's what I partly attribute my lack of adjustment to lately. (I do not know what brand was put on but it was cheaper than OEM.)
DDO-VFR
Monk
...For me when I get a chain that actually measures the slack the same all round. I adjust when installed then a couple 100 or less, then a little maybe about half life(1000K). Then the next time it starts needing adjustment is telling me to order a new chain.
so is the half life 1 million miles (km?) or is that the whole life? Either way, you've got pass on that brand of lube.... :ph34r:
Brian
Woops.... There's a "0" missing.......ment 10,000k and it may not need it then, it usually stretches after install and stays there though most of it's life, if not adjusted to tight to start with(ask me how I know)....... but the main thing is to get a chain that is flixable at all links, and it's a witch hunt to find one........... Although I just installed the best chain for evenness since I've had this bike(41,000k).
OEM chain (110 links)(sprockets F-16 & R-43)
2ndNew chain@ 12000 ; Adjustments : 28500 ; 30000
3rdNew chain@ 31000 ; Adjustments :36500(checked 1¼ to 1½")
4thNew chain@ 41500 ;
Wipe down with a little non-chlorinated brake clean on a rag, warm the chain with a good 10+ minute ride, hit with Maxima Synthetic Chain Wax and let stand while the wax sets up. Getting about 20k miles from chains this way and sprockets look good. Trying to do this every 400 to 500 miles.
DDO-VFR
Either way, you've got pass on that brand of lube.... :ph34r:
Brian
I lube with Bel-Ray but didn't want to get into the brand thing, I lube 1st then wipe the outside plates with brake cleaner then the and oil rag.
Every 500miles clean with WD40 on a rag then spray with Würth Dry Chain Lube. It's a great product cos it doesn't fly off and dirt/dust doesn't stick to it. Chains/sprockets last 30k+ and neither bike is a stranger to the upper rev range!
I use brake cleaning spray to take the gunk off then spray on chain lube, chain wax or teflon - whatever I can find or have. I usually get about 25,000-30,000 kilometres from a chain and sprockets.
I used to clean and lube it religiously (500 kilometres) but after purposely not looking after one chain/sprockets set it didn't seem to make a lot of difference. I just do it when it looks nasty now.
Thanks for this thread. I got the bike with a chain with a few workable kinks, so I've kept it. Used Motul chain clean to clean it, but thinking of going the WD40 route from now on. Using PJ1 lube for now, but thinking of going teflon chain wax next go round or try the dry stuff mentioned above.
Used a grunge brush just after I got the bike, but seemed to do nothing but move the dirt/grime around. 500-600 mile intervals seems right as long as I can keep the process bone simple. Rag, drop cloth, WD40 & Wax + 20 minutes.
I use WTK chain cleaner about twice a year.. Spray on, wait for 5 mins then spray off with water. It works great. I'll use a brush before rinsing for more grimy spots. You can see a picture of it here:
http://www.exploride...8/type/web.html
I spray WD-40 on the chain and wipe, maybe a soft toothbrush to get at the dirt. And that's it. No lube or chain wax. I used to use that stuff but the goop it left behind attracted dirt which killed the chain prematurely IMO.
I used to clean the chain after each ride but that was when I lived in the city and my weekend ride was 400km. Now I live 30 seconds from the twisties and my typical ride is 100km. So I don't wipe/clean as often. But I did wipe with WD-40 after riding in the rain.
My chain lube/wax experience was with my old CBR600. The OEM and one replacement chain, each lasted 12K km. I think the 3rd chain has 20K km on it now with WD-40 only. Not sure since that's my wife's bike. I have only used WD-40 on the VFR. I'm at 158K km now on its second chain. Side benefit, the swingarm doesn't get nearly as dirty either, but I wipe that down too.
WD40 on the chain, wipe and ride. I do use the Dupont teflon every few cleanings. I don't clean it very often though, usually when it starts sounding like it needs a clean, and after it rains.
I have tried various chain lubes (e.g. Castrol) and waxes (e.g. Maxima) over the years. Most made a mess of the wheel and surrounding bits and attracted a lot of dirt--even when applied at the end of the day and allowed to sit overnight before riding. Now I use a degreaser (Gunk) and the grunge brush once a year as part of the winterizing process, hosing out all the old dirt and grime. Then I ride for a few miles to fully dry out and warm up the chain before liberally applying the Dupont multipurpose lube (yes, another convert). It dries quickly, doesn't fling, and doesn't appear to attract dirt and grime. During the season I lube the chain every 500 miles or so--or at the end of each day on the road when touring.
I normally use diesel oil to clean the chain (by used toothbrush :ph34r: ), then flush by water, let it dry for a while, start the bike to run the rear wheel for couple of minutes (with the middle stand set), finally apply the chainlub.
WD to clean it, on a rag usually, brushes are nice but mine all gross from an engine degrease so its rags at the moment. spin up and down the street to warm it a little, grab whatever can of lube is closest to me, motul, repsol, belray, cal-gard, Honda, etc. apply to the inside of the chain for one revolution only. Go ride. doesnt get too gross, they last a long time and not much adjustment. Was getting about 30k out of chain sprocket sets on my 1200 kawi. havent had the vfr long enough to know how it will do but im guessing pretty well being lighter and less powerful than that bike
Got my grunge brush, looks like a nice piece of kit.
Haven't had a chance to use it yet, been busy working on my truck. New vinyl flooring, replace exhaust manifold gaskets, spray bottom 8" or so of the body with rock guard, etc.
mmmmmhhhh
Fitted a Scotoiler from new
Check slack once in a while (one? twice? a year?)
Replace after some 25k miles (donot remember)
Bike is now at 40+ k miles
Have never cleaned my chain, other than holding a rag around it and spin the wheel a few rotations (twice a year)
YMMV
Dutchy
mmmmmhhhh
Fitted a Scotoiler from new
Check slack once in a while (one? twice? a year?)
Replace after some 25k miles (donot remember)
Bike is now at 40+ k miles
Have never cleaned my chain, other than holding a rag around it and spin the wheel a few rotations (twice a year)
YMMV
+1Currently @ 11+k mi. since oiler install.
Dutchy
mmmmmhhhh
Fitted a Scotoiler from new
Check slack once in a while (one? twice? a year?)
Replace after some 25k miles (donot remember)
Bike is now at 40+ k miles
Have never cleaned my chain, other than holding a rag around it and spin the wheel a few rotations (twice a year)
YMMV
Same, except I've got the Hawke oiler. I'm not as good as I should be for frequency of oiling so I only got 20,000 miles out of my original chain.
Spray with wand at car wash from a distance of about 14"-16". Drive home, apply 90wt oil .... oil slings to wheel ..... clean wheel and chain the next time I go to the car wash.
Sometimes I'll apply oil between car washes, if I think about it.
If you think I'm joking you're dead wrong.
I have never cleaned my chain and got 40k miles on the original chain. 90w gear oil smeared with a sock every 600 miles. Most important to keep it oiled when raining or washing to prevent surface rust.
I clean it with this and the grunge brush:
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works really well at cutting through the gunk and de-greasing.
then I lube with dupoint multi-purpose. I clean and lube at least once a month. wipe off excess :happy:
Monk
DDO-VFR
Monk
...For me when I get a chain that actually measures the slack the same all round. I adjust when installed then a couple 100 or less, then a little maybe about half life(1000K). Then the next time it starts needing adjustment is telling me to order a new chain.
so is the half life 1 million miles (km?) or is that the whole life? Either way, you've got pass on that brand of lube.... :ph34r:
Brian
Woops.... There's a "0" missing.......ment 10,000k and it may not need it then, it usually stretches after install and stays there though most of it's life, if not adjusted to tight to start with(ask me how I know)....... but the main thing is to get a chain that is flixable at all links, and it's a witch hunt to find one........... Although I just installed the best chain for evenness since I've had this bike(41,000k).
OEM chain (110 links)(sprockets F-16 & R-43)
2ndNew chain@ 12000 ; Adjustments : 28500 ; 30000
3rdNew chain@ 31000 ; Adjustments :36500(checked 1¼ to 1½")
4thNew chain@ 41500 ;
So, Monk, I have to say you throw me off a bit. You're from Danville, VA yet you use KM and spell "tyre" with a "y". I've known people from Danville and they don't seem like the type to do either of those rather british type things mentioned... Just curious to know the story.
He does it just to anoy you Jeremy77. Specifically you. :tongue:
MaxSwell
He does it just to anoy you Jeremy77. Specifically you. :tongue:
I guess that's possible... However I'm usually the one who is being annoying just for the fun of it!
doing normal maintenance before SumSum 2 and used simple green "orange" (wtf?), anyways I have used this on my ducati chain before and some has gotten onto my wheels with no issue, however it appears on the VFR it has taken or damaged some of the finish on the wheel?
Not a huge deal but a heads up, don't think I will be using that stuff again near the wheels.
Anyone else had this happen? Is is possible it was just my wheels has a substandard finish?
+eb0
clean with diesel and toothbrush (on occasion) and lube with 90 wt gear oil (500-100mi). Old school I guess.
Clean it using Kerosene and rags when it starts looking really grungy (or before I leave on a long trip). Use whatever chain lube comes to hand - currently that is Chain Wax. If on a trip I decide that it needs cleaning out of convenience I will use WD40 and a rag/old sock - you can usually find WD40 in the mini-containers which is convenient when travelling.
I am not particularly religious about lubing the chain - just do it when I think about it.
Yesterday I cleaned both bikes, chains included. Always nice to have chains that gleam.
I don't want a pickle.
I just want to ride my motor-sickle.
Bike on centerstand, start it up, put it in gear, maybe rev it a bit.
Hold rag soaked with chemicals of choice on inside of chain run and squeeze for reddest effect. :ohmy: :laughing6-hehe:
Veefer800Canuck
I don't want a pickle.
I just want to ride my motor-sickle.
Nice Arlo Guthrie reference.
I was kidding, but, http://www.webbikewo...2/chain-pickle/
I always hated pickles. Maybe they're good for something after all. :laugh:
VFR4Lee
Bike on centerstand, start it up, put it in gear, maybe rev it a bit.
Hold rag soaked with chemicals of choice on inside of chain run and squeeze for reddest effect. :ohmy: :laughing6-hehe:
Keep it up and I'll post "the" pic. :sad:
Last I checked that probably wouldn't pass the site guidelines.
But I have seen the video. Very much not pretty. :ohmy:
Conedodger
On a related note...how often do you guys find you need to adjust the chain? I think I have only needed to do it twice in 19K miles.
deapends on the chain, some stretch like a rubber band and others not much. But 3 adjustments, I guarantee the chain will be at spec limit or running out. Once you adjust past that point, stretched chain will just start eating sprockets.
I run the chain a little on the loose side but in spec and generally never have to adjust it in 10K miles. I check chain slack every time i clean the chain which is every 200-500 miles.
Hello, Down here in Mexico its kinda hard to get special products, i have a can of chain libricant (cant remember the name) but i want to know what would be good to give the chain a good clean first... friends tell me to use fuel/gasoline, other mentioned petrol... i seen someone posted WD40. i want to clean the chain with a brush and then lube it. gasoline would be safe? or there is risk of damage
Audigier
Hello, Down here in Mexico its kinda hard to get special products, i have a can of chain libricant (cant remember the name) but i want to know what would be good to give the chain a good clean first... friends tell me to use fuel/gasoline, other mentioned petrol... i seen someone posted WD40. i want to clean the chain with a brush and then lube it. gasoline would be safe? or there is risk of damage
Gasoline is rather risky (in my opinion) due to the fire risk. I usually use varsol/paint thinner but it takes a while and makes a huge mess. With the bike on the center stand, I put a paint tray under the chain and then swab the varsol on the rear sprocket/chain with a stiff brush till the hardened goo is gone. Keeps some of the mess from landing on the driveway and doesn't cause that many explosions. :tour:
Audigier
Hello, Down here in Mexico its kinda hard to get special products, i have a can of chain libricant (cant remember the name) but i want to know what would be good to give the chain a good clean first... friends tell me to use fuel/gasoline, other mentioned petrol... i seen someone posted WD40. i want to clean the chain with a brush and then lube it. gasoline would be safe? or there is risk of damage
OEM's used to recommed kerosene. I haven't seen it in print in a while, but then again haven't really looked. I've used it before and it seems to work well. It is supposed to be safe for the o-rings and not have a low flash point like gasoline.
Bad Boy
I have never cleaned my chain and got 40k miles on the original chain. 90w gear oil smeared with a sock every 600 miles. Most important to keep it oiled when raining or washing to prevent surface rust.
I do the same, except use a small HF pressure oiler to apply the juice after each ride. Afterwards, I wipe with a rag and all is clean again. Fling isn't bad as far as gear oil is concerned. Switched to 90w after getting tired of chain lube picking up road grit.
Clean with WD40 and then apply 90W gear oil every thousand miles. Use Teflon spray or any available chain lube at least once between gear oil applications. Adjust as necessary.
HiDesertMLB
Bad Boy
I have never cleaned my chain and got 40k miles on the original chain. 90w gear oil smeared with a sock every 600 miles. Most important to keep it oiled when raining or washing to prevent surface rust.
I do the same, except use a small HF pressure oiler to apply the juice after each ride. Afterwards, I wipe with a rag and all is clean again. Fling isn't bad as far as gear oil is concerned. Switched to 90w after getting tired of chain lube picking up road grit.
90 weight for autos and trucks does have a cleaning agent in it, Marine 90 weight actually offers a more Longevity film base, while doesnt offer the cleaning effect. the cleaning effect sacrifices the film base.
I used to see alot of sprocket wear, with dry lubes , Teflon llubes, even 90 weight. Nothing seemed to quelch that wear I thought it was Hopeless. Motorex 622 strong green can(not available in california) offers a extremely heavy film base, really quelches metal to metal contact. In comparison to a Blue label or Wax, its easier to work with cause, not a tacky glue and cleans up easily with wd40.
After screwing around with street lubes, Ive been on this stuff for about 7 or 8 years Couple hundred thousand miles, best stuff on the market to make sprockets last!!