So I've started getting this ticking only when the bike is warm and intermittently. I thought it was the valves but they appear to be within spec... Gonna try an injector next but seems strange.
Intermittent Ticking From Engine 6Th Gen.
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Sounds like a cam chain tensioner, which side of the bike does it emanate from?
Yeah sound like a Cam chain tensioner, thats not too bad, they can get really noisy, the question is which one. You need a stethoscope
spud786Yeah sound like a Cam chain tensioner, thats not too bad, they can get really noisy, the question is which one. You need a stethoscope
The body of the tensioners can rattle, you can buy brand new ones and they rattle
So, supposing you're on a long ride, how long can you just deal with a CCT starting to do that and just ride it back home before you really need to start worrying that something is about to come through your fairing? I've been on some incredible cross country trips and my biggest worry has been an on-the-road failure of some sort. Knock on wood - thanks Mother Honda - nothing has ever happened mechanically and my rides have been fantastic. I do know that CCTs on the 6th gens do need attention for this from time to time. Also, is there any typical mileage that they tend to go out?
Damn, I feel like such a noob since I moved from my '97 to my '07....
I'm not sure about typical mileage, but mine were replaced at 55,000km (if I recall at the time, that was about normal for people's first set), but I've since ridden another 80,000km and they haven't needed replacing again yet. I rode for several hundred kms (over many days) while I was trying to decide if my own "intermittent clicking noise" was not my imagination, so I don't think they rapidly fail.
whenever my 02 starts to make cct noises i just change the oil. i had what sounded like catastrophic bearing failure(it was the cct... and it was loud) in california. rode it home to canada and after new oil, problem gone.
i found rolella t6 to be pretty noisy but am using 10-40 mc dino and haven't heard them that loud since. at the end of the oils duty cycle, it might start to get a little tap. 3000mile oil change intervals.
people have different relults, but oil solved my problem. i am currently just hitting 62k miles.
The mailmanSo, supposing you're on a long ride, how long can you just deal with a CCT starting to do that and just ride it back home before you really need to start worrying that something is about to come through your fairing? I've been on some incredible cross country trips and my biggest worry has been an on-the-road failure of some sort. Knock on wood - thanks Mother Honda - nothing has ever happened mechanically and my rides have been fantastic. I do know that CCTs on the 6th gens do need attention for this from time to time. Also, is there any typical mileage that they tend to go out?Damn, I feel like such a noob since I moved from my '97 to my '07....
anytime Ive ever had cct noise, its been mainly at idle. verses hearing it while riding. The good news they dont seem to fail, only rattle on the VFR, but its a toss up when you buy a new one, if it rattles or not.
+ 6 CCT
The mailmanSo, supposing you're on a long ride, how long can you just deal with a CCT starting to do that and just ride it back home before you really need to start worrying that something is about to come through your fairing? I've been on some incredible cross country trips and my biggest worry has been an on-the-road failure of some sort. Knock on wood - thanks Mother Honda - nothing has ever happened mechanically and my rides have been fantastic. I do know that CCTs on the 6th gens do need attention for this from time to time. Also, is there any typical mileage that they tend to go out?Damn, I feel like such a noob since I moved from my '97 to my '07....
I actually ran my 02 over a year(10k miles)including a T-mac, another 4 day trip and a few other long rides between with a CCT going out and clacking badly.
Not a whole lot to worry about other than BAD noise!
BR
I believe the typical gen. 6 VFR CCT noise is not from the chain being loose and rattling like one sees on most bikes with CCT noise. It is the CCT rattling in its own case because it is full of air instead of oil. Completely benign, just annoying as hell, you can ride indefinitely with it. That is why some have success eliminating it using different oil. Thicker oil or restrictive oil filter does not fill the case as easily with oil.
Edited January 1, 2013 by Bad BoyThe 6th Gen VFR system sports two sets of dual tensioners that are
equipped with spring-loaded screw-action lifters that maintain steady
pressure on the cam chains throughout the engine's wide rev range...
replace the stock units with APE manual adjusters... make sure you
fully understand the manual sequence of cam chain adjusting and listen
for the chains to moan if they are adjusted to tight...
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I pulled out the tensioner and it appeared to be in good working condition. Put it back in while I wait for the new one to come in and the ticking reduced. But not completely erased.
I will throw a curve ball in the mix, for every tick/rattle noise people hear on a 6th gen the blame immediately targets CCT which allot of the time it is. My bike at times ticks & rattles but isn't CCT because I have manual adjusted type as posted above. My occasional tick/rattle is coming from my clutch, I have inspected it & all plates within spec, springs & basket are fine it simply just happens but still has original factory plates & springs. When it finaly wears out I will fit aftermarket like barnett to see if makes any difference.
zRoYzI will throw a curve ball in the mix, for every tick/rattle noise people hear on a 6th gen the blame immediately targets CCT which allot of the time it is. My bike at times ticks & rattles but isn't CCT because I have manual adjusted type as posted above. My occasional tick/rattle is coming from my clutch, I have inspected it & all plates within spec, springs & basket are fine it simply just happens but still has original factory plates & springs. When it finaly wears out I will fit aftermarket like barnett to see if makes any difference.
Good call because I think if owners would research the noise further
they may discover its really a high mileage clutch... and the only way
I know to erase those miles is with new parts and not plates or springs
like you're thinking...
What you describe is normal clutch knock at idle... you see over time
slop develops allowing the gear teeth to knock about and thus the
noise... grab the clutch lever and the inner basket helps align the
outer basket and the noise deadens... the only cure is to eliminate
the slop with new clutch parts... namely replace the clutch guide p/n
22116-MR7-000 and clutch bearing p/n 91024-MB0-003... also check
the dampening springs on the back side of the clutch basket for slop
Another cure is aftermarket exhaust and ear plugs which effectively
curbs the amount of clutch noise from invading your space...
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This isn't an answer but it does blow me away that Honda just did away with gear driven cams years ago. They engineer something right, it works, then they change it to something that's not as reliable and causes problems that didn't used to exist. It was just too logical so they changed it.
I have a 2012 Honda car and it seems to be better thought out all the way around....I hope.
My 5th gens gear driven cams were louder than my loose CCT on my 6th gen. :beer:
KEB
banzai757 http://youtu.be/LObcBPVSmXwRear right cylinder area.
I'll have to take a look at the tensioner.
That my friend is a stuffed cam chain tensioner. It's an easy DIY fix needing nothing more than a new CCT, an 8mm (possibly 10mm) socket wrench and some large-ish allen keys to get the right footpeg off (so you can remove the exhaust heat shield).
BusyLittleShopzRoYzI will throw a curve ball in the mix, for every tick/rattle noise people hear on a 6th gen the blame immediately targets CCT which allot of the time it is. My bike at times ticks & rattles but isn't CCT because I have manual adjusted type as posted above. My occasional tick/rattle is coming from my clutch, I have inspected it & all plates within spec, springs & basket are fine it simply just happens but still has original factory plates & springs. When it finaly wears out I will fit aftermarket like barnett to see if makes any difference.Good call because I think if owners would research the noise further
they may discover its really a high mileage clutch... and the only way
I know to erase those miles is with new parts and not plates or springs
like you're thinking...
What you describe is normal clutch knock at idle... you see over time
slop develops allowing the gear teeth to knock about and thus the
noise... grab the clutch lever and the inner basket helps align the
outer basket and the noise deadens... the only cure is to eliminate
the slop with new clutch parts... namely replace the clutch guide p/n
22116-MR7-000 and clutch bearing p/n 91024-MB0-003... also check
the dampening springs on the back side of the clutch basket for slop
Another cure is aftermarket exhaust and ear plugs which effectively
curbs the amount of clutch noise from invading your space...
[image: 20121122010.jpg]
Just to clarify, I can pretty much guarantee the original poster's problem is definitely the Cam Chain tensioners, not the clutch.
kaldekJust to clarify, I can pretty much guarantee the original poster's problem is definitely the Cam Chain tensioners, not the clutch.
To clarify we'd have to listen to the tick in person to know if its in time with crankshaft speed or cam shaft speed...
BusyLittleShopkaldekJust to clarify, I can pretty much guarantee the original poster's problem is definitely the Cam Chain tensioners, not the clutch.
To clarify we'd have to listen to the tick in person to know if its in time with crankshaft speed or cam shaft speed...
In ten years, nobody has ever listened to a tick like that and asked for that level of detail. Every time, it's been the CCT.
So on historical evidence, I'll stick to my guns.
kaldekBusyLittleShopIn ten years, nobody has ever listened to a tick like that and asked for that level of detail. Every time, it's been the CCT.
So on historical evidence, I'll stick to my guns.
I understand but I've learned to ask for as much detail as possible when it comes to trouble shooting over the net...
Bad BoyI believe the typical gen. 6 VFR CCT noise is not from the chain being loose and rattling like one sees on most bikes with CCT noise. It is the CCT rattling in its own case because it is full of air instead of oil. Completely benign, just annoying as hell, you can ride indefinitely with it. That is why some have success eliminating it using different oil. Thicker oil or restrictive oil filter does not fill the case as easily with oil.
Your absolutely right, because I ran a test on a rattly cct , by where I loosen the cct mounting bolts (2mm), this ofcourse allowed the cct housing to seperate from the Block(spring tension), which extends the cct Tongue out to take up the slack. Then I retighten the mounting bolts, which forces more tention on the chain(cause once extended it wont back off. Still had rattle of the cct, but it did change the noise some, to a more deeper knock. But that test gave proof its not the chain rattling but the cct body itself.
My rear cct went about 90,000 miles before it started to rattle, normally its the front one, but without a stethoscope and careful probing , its very hard to tell which one.
As far as clutch basket rattle, my vfr has zero clutch noise, its actually the quiest clutch basket on any bike Ive ever owned. I think if you ride alot of non cush Hubbed bikes, which are much harsher on clutch baskets, you develope a smoothness . This has aided in my super quiet high milege clutch( maybe (dont know), but mines quiet as a mouse over 100,000 mile and orginal clutch still perfect.
My clutch has been noisy since day 1. hasne got any worse in 90k miles. I have a cct going bad now. which one usually fails first?
BaileyrockThe mailmanSo, supposing you're on a long ride, how long can you just deal with a CCT starting to do that and just ride it back home before you really need to start worrying that something is about to come through your fairing? I've been on some incredible cross country trips and my biggest worry has been an on-the-road failure of some sort. Knock on wood - thanks Mother Honda - nothing has ever happened mechanically and my rides have been fantastic. I do know that CCTs on the 6th gens do need attention for this from time to time. Also, is there any typical mileage that they tend to go out?Damn, I feel like such a noob since I moved from my '97 to my '07....
I actually ran my 02 over a year(10k miles)including a T-mac, another 4 day trip and a few other long rides between with a CCT going out and clacking badly.
Not a whole lot to worry about other than BAD noise!
BR
Yeah, and you're the guy that motorcycles fear because you beat them up so badly..... :goofy:
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