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How Good Is Mpg In The Usa ? - OTHER Motorcycle Talk (non vfr)

10 posts Started 17 Mar 2013 Last recovered post 18 Mar 2013 Wayback Machine snapshot 14 Apr 2013

#1

This could be related to MC's as well, hence this thread being posted here. 

Please pass this along to other forums, & any other public source you use.

I would like to hear from our overseas members about this........ What's your take?

http://video.staged....5_mpg_in_the_uk

#2
Remember a UK gallon is 4,5liter and a US gallon is only 3,8liter. So even if you could buy every available engine, you would still get better milage over here :biggrin:
#3

Remember a UK gallon is 4,5liter and a US gallon is only 3,8liter. So you even if you could buy every available engine, you would still get better milage over here :biggrin:

Beat me to it. 20.1% difference.

#4

I wonder if he's also confused about kilometers versus miles. :goofy:

#5
They currently sell plug in hybrids here in the US, no gas engine at all. So they aren't paying gasoline tax. Pretty much f*cks this guy"s argument altogether
#6
I'm a big fan of diesel engines and have had a couple of diesel vehicles in the past several years.....an '03 Golf TDI and then an '05 Jeep Liberty CRD (yes they came in a 2.8 diesel for a couple of years).  The issue of the US and Canada not getting the same engine selection in autos is nothing new....this has been going on for years and really doesn't have much at all to do with the "current administration" IMO.  It is true that the EPA considers some of these small diesel "polluters" due to the reasons the guy in the video gave, but he's making the whole issue a bit more "consipiracy theory" than he probably should.
 
Because of EPA regulations, VW wasn't able to offer their 1.8 and 2.0 diesels in America for a few years back around '06-'08 as I recall....even after offering small diesel cars in the US for years before that.  It wasn't until the "clean diesel" engine was offered that they could pass 50 state emissions and the engine could be offered again.  This is a great engine...but it's nowhere as efficient as the ones available prior to that.  I used regularly get above 50 mpg on my '03 Golf....I think people are lucky to hit 40 mpg with the new "clean diesel" version.
 
No doubt the EPA regs are pretty backwards in alot of ways....but I think that much of it has to do with company profit margin as well (just my opinion).  Diesel engines typically add $1000 to $2000 dollars to the price of a car.  With fuel prices being so high in Europe, people there are willing to pay out the extra $$ up front for the more efficient engine.  With lower fuel prices here in North America, folks don't consider mileage as high of a priority, so fewer of the super efficient engines are likely to sell.....people can't seem to justify the up front expense of the more expensive diesel engine.  If the car companies can get by with less choices, profit margins go up.  This is just a theory...
 
Regardless of the reasoning, it's hard to swallow the fact that a super efficient little 1.6 diesel can't be be sold here because it's a "polluter", while you can go out and get an an F250 truck with a big 7.2L Powerstroke diesel to drive around town in.  I agree something isn't right.  I would also like to see more choices, but I think there's more to it than a government conspiracy.
Edited by IndyFour, 18 March 2013 - 12:43 PM.
#7

But if we could have an ethanol-diesel blend, THAT would fix EVERYTHING.  :wacko:

#9

The competition is held each year, http://en.wikipedia....ki/Eco-marathon

It involves all the tricks and driving techniques necessary to get the best mpg.

I hate when I get behind one of these people. Or two! Driving side by side!

Especially in my truck, it's not so easy to blow their doors off.  :pissed:  

#10

Remember a UK gallon is 4,5liter and a US gallon is only 3,8liter. So even if you could buy every available engine, you would still get better milage over here :biggrin:

 
I am gonna take common denominator and make it miles per liter. Assuming that his claim is correct, 78 miles / 1 UK gallon, converted to miles per liter, it becomes 78 miles / 4.5 liter = 17.3333333 miles per liter.
 
US spec, VW Passat TDI2 is rated at 43 miles / 1 US gallon. Converted to miles per liter, it becomes 43 miles / 3.8 liter = 11.3157894 miles per liter.
 
I could not find fuel consumption on uk website, but I found that their smallest engine is 1.4L TDI. From US website on the other hand, I found that the most economical model is VW Passat TDI2 which gets 43 mpg. Passat's engine is 2.0L TDI2.
Edited by VfrColumbus, 18 March 2013 - 09:36 PM.
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