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My michelin pilot power 3 review

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#1

I ran the new PP3s at this years TMAC. I had 150 miles on the front tire and 0 miles on the rear when I headed to Franklin on Wednesday morning and I covered 1,309 miles, arriving home Sunday with the front tire looking decent and the rear tire to the leading edge of the side tread wear bars. Switchblade also ran the P3s at TMAC and his results were similar. One thing we have learned is the tire has as much wear left after touching the wear bars as getting to them.

I did not ride my usual style during a lot of TMAC as I usually lead rides while this year I spent as much time in the pack. As a result I spent more time accelerating out of turns and less time diving in with minimal front brake and using the front tire to slow me down which may have been partially responsible for the rear showing signs of wear sooner. When I led rides I carried a slightly slower-than-normal pace most of the time. All-in-all not the perfect test to gauge front tire wear but I stressed the front enough over 1,996 miles in 3 weeks enough to know it is a very durable and very grippy front tire. It still shows plenty of tread over the side wear bars and the center tread is looking good as well.

The rear went a total of 1,836 miles before I changed it and I probably could have stretched it out more in spite of the wear bars about flat on the sides. I believe there is something to Michelin's process of laying the soft compound over the hard compound on this tire as the rear seems to get to a point of visible wear and stay there. Switchblade is well over 2K and his rear tire wear has slowed though I did run a slightly slower pace this weekend so as not to put too much stress on his worn skins.

My only gripe with the PP3s is they have a slightly heavier steering feel than the S20s or the Q2s and they start steering strangely after 1,200 miles or so. Over time my PP3s required increased effort at turn-in and then would fall in for the next bit of lean angle and then go back to needing increased effort to get to (my) max lean angle. Like having three tires in one (not cool). The steering/leaning observations I make are subtle and for most people probably not that big a deal but I spend so much time hurtling though the mountains on a 550+ lb sport-tourer I have become ultra-sensative to tire performance and feedback. I just hate having to make small corrections as I corner.

One reason these tires may have worn strangely is my riding was inconsistent but it is a chicken and egg thing as to why...did the tire cause my inconsistency or did my inconsistency cause the tire wear?

I installed a new set of S20s and have 600 miles on them for a direct comparison. In the same mileage period the Michelins never turned as easily but the PP3s may have slightly more outright grip but only very slightly. The S20s are like magic on my VFR as anyone who has followed me will attest. I easily carry an additional 5 mph corner speed just because I love how direct and smooth and grippy the S20s are. On the street I prefer the S20s but if I had to do a track day I suspect the PP3s would outperform them. At street velocities I just love how perfectly neutral and communicative the S20s are and do not really care for the more remote feel of the PP3s.

One major observation is the VFR began to pogo in fast corners during TMAC and got worse on my sporting ride home and over the next couple of weeks. Zero pogo with the S20s. I suspect the profile of the rear tire was the direct cause of the wallowing but I would need to do more research. For the record I always run 36F/42R and maybe the PP3s needed less. I never took a hot pressure reading to see if either tire needed an adjustment.

My tire testing is incredibly subjective but the one thing I can usually help with is grip and durability and my take is the PP3 is one of the best, if not the best, street/light track tires you can buy on both fronts. My front will go on the Versys in a few weeks, it has that much life left in it, and the feel of the sidewalls is still sponge-like and supple (probably the reason the tire feels so remote). I want to see if the front tire was causing the weird steering and the V will let me know.

I will try the Q3s next and probably go back to the PP3s for a late summer re-test because I believe this test was slightly flawed. My take is the PP3 is a very high quality tire that has a very advanced rubber compound. As long as Michelin can maintain solid quality control (one reason I like newer model Bridgestone tires btw) this tire will impress a lot of people.

KEB

#2

Great  write  up  and  spot  on.  I'll  take  some  pic's  of  mine  tonight  and  post  them,  all  in  all  a  great  tire.

#3

Let's   see   total  mileage   to  date  is  2155 +340=2495  ..

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Order  the  BR  favorite  Mich.  setup  PP  front  and PR2  rear ...

#4

Great write-up Keb, interesting observation on the 3 turn in zones as you get into lean angle.  My question is.....does it offer a significant level of performance (Off Track) over the standard PP (F/R), or for that matter PR2 (F/R), to justify paying the extra $$$?  I ran a set of PP's at TMAC '12, and while they allowed me to go a bit harder in the corners....the grip advantage over a set of PR2's was only observed in the "shouldn't have done that on the street" range (and I won't even talk about the mileage).  I'd be interested to see a direct comparison between a set of PP3 and PR3 back to back.

#5

I ran a set of PP's at TMAC '12, and while they allowed me to go a bit harder in the corners....the grip advantage over a set of PR2's was only observed in the "shouldn't have done that on the street" range (and I won't even talk about the mileage).

Therein lies the problem. Sometimes i will ride for weeks with just normal light peg dragging and then i get this notion to turn it up. When conditions allow there are times I go track pace on the street. My track pace, but I push hard and my tires show the stress every time, along with my boots after being smashed into the ground. I love having the grippiest, best steering tires I can get just for those occasions.

Riding a sport motorcycle hard is a unique, exhilarating experience. To do it with a sense of safety and confidence I test many types of tires and I explore their grip. I know for a fact on S20s or Q2s that I can slide both ends of a VFR through a high speed mountain corner and live to tell the tale, all the while having the time of my life.

Can you put a price on that?

KEB

#6

Was also running a set of PP3's at TMAC after tire change at Wheelers (didn't have my rear Rosso Corsa). Now am riding a different bike (Aprilia RSV4 Factory) but found these tires turned in faster then the Corsa's. Grip was fine and they are wearing well for having a litre bike spinning them. Don't really know my pace vs. Kebrider but I am not slow (edge to edge front and rear) . I am also running lower pressures - 32F/34R.

Will say they are good tires but only have maybe 1000mile on them. See how they wear. Never ridden the S20's but have the Q2, Rosso Corsas and Super Corsas on the Ape and for what I can do on the street they are fine.

#7

Keb "takes it easy." 

Don't really know my pace vs. Kebrider ....
#8

Excellent review.  Thanks for taking the time to write it up.

#9

Keb "takes it easy."

Amen brother

Typical 1.6K mile rear...nice even wear:

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Same Mileage front...always plenty of center tread left...strange:

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#10

I ran a set of PP's at TMAC '12, and while they allowed me to go a bit harder in the corners....the grip advantage over a set of PR2's was only observed in the "shouldn't have done that on the street" range (and I won't even talk about the mileage).

Therein lies the problem. Sometimes i will ride for weeks with just normal light peg dragging and then i get this notion to turn it up. When conditions allow there are times I go track pace on the street. My track pace, but I push hard and my tires show the stress every time, along with my boots after being smashed into the ground. I love having the grippiest, best steering tires I can get just for those occasions.

Riding a sport motorcycle hard is a unique, exhilarating experience. To do it with a sense of safety and confidence I test many types of tires and I explore their grip. I know for a fact on S20s or Q2s that I can slide both ends of a VFR through a high speed mountain corner and live to tell the tale, all the while having the time of my life.

Can you put a price on that?

KEB

Been arguing with someone else on another board recently about this.  He is the "take it to the track" mentality and that you shouldn't ever, ever, do this on the mountain turns yet he just totaled a bike at the track and claimed it on insurance. 

If you've got the skills to pay the bills go for it.  IMO, it takes some talent and experience to fling these things around in the twisty bits and always bring her home shiny side up.  Kudos.

#11

I ran a set of PP's at TMAC '12, and while they allowed me to go a bit harder in the corners....the grip advantage over a set of PR2's was only observed in the "shouldn't have done that on the street" range (and I won't even talk about the mileage).

Therein lies the problem. Sometimes i will ride for weeks with just normal light peg dragging and then i get this notion to turn it up. When conditions allow there are times I go track pace on the street. My track pace, but I push hard and my tires show the stress every time, along with my boots after being smashed into the ground. I love having the grippiest, best steering tires I can get just for those occasions.

Riding a sport motorcycle hard is a unique, exhilarating experience. To do it with a sense of safety and confidence I test many types of tires and I explore their grip. I know for a fact on S20s or Q2s that I can slide both ends of a VFR through a high speed mountain corner and live to tell the tale, all the while having the time of my life.

Can you put a price on that?

KEB

Been arguing with someone else on another board recently about this.  He is the "take it to the track" mentality and that you shouldn't ever, ever, do this on the mountain turns yet he just totaled a bike at the track and claimed it on insurance. 

If you've got the skills to pay the bills go for it.  IMO, it takes some talent and experience to fling these things around in the twisty bits and always bring her home shiny side up.  Kudos.

Can't really defend much of what I do on a bike. I don't care for the risk but I am hooked on the reward. Unlike the track I don't HAVE to go fast all the time...just when it feels right and poses the least amount of risk to me and those around me. So when I feel great and the tires, brakes, and chassis are working perfectly I may sling it through a few corners.

Life is terminal so the real issue is the risk I may pose to others. That slows me down more than anything. So what I do on some deserted road on some distant mountain is pretty much my business. I give back to humanity by doing tire reviews that are 95% subjective except for the durability data which is very accurate because I ride very consistently. I certainly don't seek approval for my riding style.

Each his own and the reality is I'm so slow I never even get the VFR/Tiger/Versys to so much as bobble.

KEB


#12
I was just wondering about the payoff in direct comparison since I know you've ran PR2's as well. Next TMAC I was planning on running another set of PP, but of these are noticeably better than regular PP, then I might try them instead.
#13

I was just wondering about the payoff in direct comparison since I know you've ran PR2's as well. Next TMAC I was planning on running another set of PP, but of these are noticeably better than regular PP, then I might try them instead.

I have never owned a PR2 front but I have run the PP/PR2 combo twice on the VFR and once on the Versys. I liked this combo well enough, good when new but goes off before fully worn which harshes the buzz a little.

PP3 front over the PP front by a mile...better in every way and worth every penny. PP3 front and PR2 rear might be the dream team but the PP3 rear wears pretty well.

For you Matt I think you should try to find some Dunlop 205s. Then I can keep you in sight on the Skyway. :)

KEB


#14
Lol, we're going for stacking the deck now huh?
#15
Can't really defend much of what I do on a bike.

KEB

Fricken :squid: !!!    :pissed:


#16
Can't really defend much of what I do on a bike.

KEB

Fricken :squid: !!!    :pissed:

Dont  sound   good ....


#17

 
Can't really defend much of what I do on a bike. I don't care for the risk but I am hooked on the reward. Unlike the track I don't HAVE to go fast all the time...just when it feels right and poses the least amount of risk to me and those around me. So when I feel great and the tires, brakes, and chassis are working perfectly I may sling it through a few corners.
 
Life is terminal so the real issue is the risk I may pose to others. That slows me down more than anything. So what I do on some deserted road on some distant mountain is pretty much my business. I give back to humanity by doing tire reviews that are 95% subjective except for the durability data which is very accurate because I ride very consistently. I certainly don't seek approval for my riding style.
 
Each his own and the reality is I'm so slow I never even get the VFR/Tiger/Versys to so much as bobble.
 
KEB


Ditto brother. I'm as safe as I can be on my twisties but I get after it where I can and make no apologies. Life is a risk, period.
Until you've ridden with someone passing judgements is fools play in my book. Like I said, kudos.
#18

It is all what one considers acceptable risk.  Sure I may fling myself off a mountain, but I may also take a round to the head at work. A very cool thing about VFRD is that there is no standard.  Folks just like to support each other in the enjoyment of thier bikes, however that comes.


#19

Lol, we're going for stacking the deck now huh?

uh...yeah


#20

I for one never exceed the speed limit on any Public Road! :unsure:


I noticed that about you but never caught up to mention it.
#21

I for one never exceed the speed limit on any Public Road! :unsure:

Who the hell is this I 4 1 guy....sounds like a .... whatever the opposite of :squid:   is.

Or a real :pinocchio:

or maybe the guy in the left lane just ahead of me every time I am late for a meeting... :tour:

#22

You   dont   exceed  it     You  triple  it   !!!!!

It  always  a  blast  to  run  with   ya.

#23

I am SHOCKED at the level of acceptance of all this Hooligan behavior I am reading about here on VFRD!   :wink:  

#24

I for one never exceed the speed limit on any Public Road! :unsure:


#25

radar + H.A.R.D. = happy :D

#26

Speeding is an interesting subject. Lets all meet at the Gap and discuss it this weekend.

#27

Speeding is an interesting subject. Lets all meet at the Gap and discuss it this weekend.

+1

#28

Speeding is an interesting subject. Lets all meet at the Gap and discuss it this weekend.

+1

Dave

You missed Whitelighning last Sunday at the Dragon. And you missed an epic wet run. I was putzing along with The Girl when an R6 came up and passed her. I waved him by and then wore him out to the overlook. I was on the Tiger skimming pegs in the wet with no drama at all. Dude on the R6 was mad skills, knee down occasionally but loosing the rear constantly on the slick turns. He tried to wave me by but no way, I was a total overdog with the PR3s, ABS and the smooth power of the Tiger 800 but I was having way too much fun watching that guy flattrack in the wet. You would have loved it.

Pilot Road 3 in the rain is as good as it gets for anyone visiting a PP3 review. Check out US129 Photos, Sunday, 1:48 PM under the motard section and note that Donna is only a minute behind us.

KEBit'smythreadsoitaiinthijacking

KEB

#29

Speeding is an interesting subject. Lets all meet at the Gap and discuss it this weekend.

+1

Dave

You missed Whitelighning last Sunday at the Dragon. And you missed an epic wet run. I was putzing along with The Girl when an R6 came up and passed her. I waved him by and then wore him out to the overlook. I was on the Tiger skimming pegs in the wet with no drama at all. Dude on the R6 was mad skills, knee down occasionally but loosing the rear constantly on the slick turns. He tried to wave me by but no way, I was a total overdog with the PR3s, ABS and the smooth power of the Tiger 800 but I was having way too much fun watching that guy flattrack in the wet. You would have loved it.

Pilot Road 3 in the rain is as good as it gets for anyone visiting a PP3 review. Check out US129 Photos, Sunday, 1:48 PM under the motard section and note that Donna is only a minute behind us.

KEBit'smythreadsoitaiinthijacking

KEB

I am ashamed of you breaking the law and being a nuisance to society young man.  Please keet it up :goofy:

#30

Speeding is an interesting subject. Lets all meet at the Gap and discuss it this weekend.

+1

Dave

You missed Whitelighning last Sunday at the Dragon. And you missed an epic wet run. I was putzing along with The Girl when an R6 came up and passed her. I waved him by and then wore him out to the overlook. I was on the Tiger skimming pegs in the wet with no drama at all. Dude on the R6 was mad skills, knee down occasionally but loosing the rear constantly on the slick turns. He tried to wave me by but no way, I was a total overdog with the PR3s, ABS and the smooth power of the Tiger 800 but I was having way too much fun watching that guy flattrack in the wet. You would have loved it.

Pilot Road 3 in the rain is as good as it gets for anyone visiting a PP3 review. Check out US129 Photos, Sunday, 1:48 PM under the motard section and note that Donna is only a minute behind us.

KEBit'smythreadsoitaiinthijacking

KEB

I am ashamed of you breaking the law and being a nuisance to society young man.  Please keet it up :goofy:

If you insist. :beer:

#31

It was great to see you and the girl up there! Made a great day out of a mind numbing 12hr ride. I had a great run back, and ended up getting back to the store at the same time as my friend was just getting off his bike... he just wasn't prepared for what he was getting into that day. Donna, sorry but when I went to introduce you all I could think of was "the girl". My mind just blanked. Lol

I could tell you went blank, but no worries. I have the hardest time with names myself, so understand completly.

Next time you can just call me "The Girl" I have no problem with that.


#32

It was great to see you and the girl up there! Made a great day out of a mind numbing 12hr ride. I had a great run back, and ended up getting back to the store at the same time as my friend was just getting off his bike... he just wasn't prepared for what he was getting into that day. Donna, sorry but when I went to introduce you all I could think of was "the girl". My mind just blanked. Lol

I could tell you went blank, but no worries. I have the hardest time with names myself, so understand completly.

Next time you can just call me "The Girl" I have no problem with that.

Yes Maam!


#33

Not a prob,em Matt I should use her name more often. Your friend sure was shaken up, hate to see that in a rider. Felt bad for him and I felt bad for you having to putt along all day.

Just curious, is there a story behind "the girl" name?

There is a bit of a story in that we have ridden together for about 12 years and maybe 75,000 miles or better. She hangs pretty well (if she was a guy most people would consider her skilled) but at the end of the day she has a teenage daughter and a strong survival instinct so she may occasionally drag a peg but she is in no way the idiot that I am when I get on a bike. So I always give her hell for riding like a girl, hence The Girl.

She was on the forum for a couple of days but for personal reasons she removed herself (kinda of a funny story and she could come back at any time).

She is a hoot to run the mountains with because she always carries extra food and water in her Givi trunk, (because she is such a girl). She is quickly reaching legend status among all the Knoxville riding groups because she passes the odd gixxer type (more often than not) with her daughter 2-up on the Tiger 800 and always apologizes when they stop (because she is such a girl). She complains when she's tired, her butt hurts, or the temperature is high or low (because she is such a girl). 

We have all kinds of remote locations we ride to regularly where we hang out and act, shall we say immature, and in that respect she so much more fun than your normal riding buddy (because she is a girl after all).

After all that we are not married but we have been living together for 4 years so "The Girl" has always been a more generic take on "significant other". The people we rode with in Central Fl Know Donna as The Girl. Pulled up to a gas station at the end of the foothills and two Triumph riders were gassing up. The Girl had ridden with them the prior week and I asked them if they had met The Girl and they knew exactly who I was referring to. Had to tell them her name was Donna.

KEB

He likes to call me The Girl or Nance....I prefer The Girl, makes me feel young again.


#34
He likes to call me The Girl or Nancy.....I prefer The Girl, makes me feel young again.

What the hell, I thought I Banned you!!! :unsure:

j/k Donna.   :goofy:


#35
He likes to call me The Girl or Nancy.....I prefer The Girl, makes me feel young again.

What the hell, I thought I Banned you!!! :unsure:

j/k Donna.   :goofy:

I know how much it bugs KEB so I have to stay. :tongue:


#36

He likes to call me The Girl or Nancy.....I prefer The Girl, makes me feel young again.

 
What the hell, I thought I Banned you!!! :unsure:
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
j/k Donna.   :goofy:
I know how much it bugs KEB so I have to stay. :tongue:


What bugs him more is to talk about the sunglasses that we had to tie wrap back together LAST YEAR and he is STILL WEARING THEM !!!
#37



What bugs him more is to talk about the sunglasses that we had to tie wrap back together LAST YEAR and he is STILL WEARING THEM !!!

Gotta say that is pretty weak. If I wasn't so busy trying to ban The Girl I would probably get em fixed.


#38



What bugs him more is to talk about the sunglasses that we had to tie wrap back together LAST YEAR and he is STILL WEARING THEM !!!

Gotta say that is pretty weak. If I wasn't so busy trying to ban The Girl I would probably get em fixed.

Thats  funny   ....


#39



What bugs him more is to talk about the sunglasses that we had to tie wrap back together LAST YEAR and he is STILL WEARING THEM !!!

Gotta say that is pretty weak. If I wasn't so busy trying to ban The Girl I would probably get em fixed.

Thats  funny   ....

But she's not laughing (because she's such a girl...I always forget that one)


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