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5Th Gen Totally Dead - Fuses Look Fine

10 posts Started 16 Feb 2015 Last recovered post 24 Feb 2015 Wayback Machine snapshot 4 Mar 2015

#1

Hello,

I have a 5th gen (98) with about 150kkm on the clock. I have had it for about 2.5 years and 50kkm.

I ride it all year round, however, it has been standing still for a few weeks. I charged the battery just before the stand still. The weather has been around the freezing point +/-.

Today i tried starting it. It turned over just fine. Maybe a little less "willingly" than usual, but it didn't start. Tried 2 times a 15 seconds.

Put a charger on. Left it for about 30 minutes. Tried starting with the charger connected.

Click, dead! Instruments, lights. Everything just died.

Both main fuses looks all right and the 6 fuses in the fuse box also. (In the fuse box there is a little black thingy with the shape of a fuse, but with 3 connectors, any idea what that is?)

I do not have a meter until tomorrow. Any suggestions on where to start the investigation will be highly appreciated!


#2
I would get a new battery and check all ground connections Sound to me the batt bought it.
C
#3

While you have things apart, also check connections - stator to R/R, pull the plug on the starter relay, etc and check their condition. 


#4

Thanks for your suggestions so far.

I never had a battery die on me like that - from almost normal to no light in the instruments - total dead. Can this happen?

Is it normal that a ground fails like that? Within seconds and with a hearable click?


#5
Check the battery terminals ,they may be loose and need to be cleaned and tigtened up . This actually a common occurance in cars.
#6

Check the 30 amp fuse for the starter relay, too.


#7

I have been fiddling around a bit... 

The - connector on the battery was loose (Yes that simple!). Sanded the terminals and put some de-ox grease on them. I had light. 

The starter turned but the motor wouldn't start. Checked the fuses with my meter, all good.

Checked the cables on what must be the engine stop relay. One of the cables had broken and was covered in the green stuff copper gets when it oxidizes. Shorted the cables by hand.

Started right away. Is shorting out the engine stop relay considered a ok temporary (or maybe even permanent?) solution - or in general a faux-pas?

Battery quite weak though. Think it needs replacement.


#8

 Is shorting out the engine stop relay considered a ok temporary (or maybe even permanent?) solution - or in general a faux-pas?

I would say - if being able to actually stop the motor is of any importance to you, better leave the relay in :-) (Do not ask how I know)


#9
My '96 did that. It was the R/R.
#10

I have been fiddling around a bit... 

The - connector on the battery was loose (Yes that simple!). Sanded the terminals and put some de-ox grease on them. I had light. 

The starter turned but the motor wouldn't start. Checked the fuses with my meter, all good.

Checked the cables on what must be the engine stop relay. One of the cables had broken and was covered in the green stuff copper gets when it oxidizes. Shorted the cables by hand.

Started right away. Is shorting out the engine stop relay considered a ok temporary (or maybe even permanent?) solution - or in general a faux-pas?

Battery quite weak though. Think it needs replacement.

I carry a spare start relay on the bike just in case.  I would pick up a new or used one, fully charge the battery and test it and go from there.

Think you have it figured out.

BR


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