New Oil Thread For Winter!

My brother sent me this link, Seems like pretty solid info.

Something to read this Winter!!!

540 RAT – TECH FACTS, NOT MYTHS MOTOR OIL ENGINEERING TEST DATA

https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/

Top Rated oils w/o additives added: ( This first one is Not recommended on any vehicle with a Cat )

4. 5W30 Motul 300V Ester Core 4T Racing Oil, synthetic = 112,464 psi
This Motorcycle Road Racing oil is from France and comes in liter bottles (slightly more than a quart). At the time this oil was tested in spring 2014, it cost $24.25 per bottle. And with the shipping cost added to that, the final cost was about $33.00 per bottle (shipping was all inside the U.S.), making it THE most expensive motor oil I’ve ever tested. But, since this oil is in the INCREDIBLE wear protection category and is ranked number 1, for oils just as they come, right out of the bottle, with no aftermarket additives, you could say you at least get the best possible wear protection available, for that super high price. This is an extremely impressive motor oil just as it comes, right out of the bottle. So, no aftermarket additives should be used with this oil, because that would only reduce its capability overall.
zinc = 1724 ppm
phosphorus = 1547 ppm
moly = 481 ppm
calcium = 3141 ppm
TBN = 7.4
This oil contains sufficient amounts of the components required (detergent, acid neutralizer, etc) for normal change intervals in street driven vehicles. But, it has way too much zinc/phos for use in cat equipped vehicles. However, it is well suited for Race Cars, Street Hotrods and Classic cars.

7. 5W30 Oil Extreme Motor Oil, API SM synthetic (per the Oil Company, even though synthetic wording is not shown on the label) = 110,286 psi

The Company claims this oil contains their proprietary formula of calcium petroleum sulfontate EP (Extreme Pressure) technology that is NOT found in any other motor oil. They also claim that it will provide 5 to 7 more HP, 7 to 10% better fuel mileage, cut engine wear in half, and will extend drain intervals two or three times safely. This oil is endorsed and promoted by Tech Author David Vizard. And he was so impressed by this oil’s performance that he also became a share holder in the Company. The results from the “Dynamic Wear Testing Under Load” performed here, fully supports their claim regarding wear protection. So, their hype about that, turned out to be absolutely true. And since this oil beat nearly every high zinc oil I’ve ever tested, it also proved another one of their claims, that using zinc as the primary anti-wear component, is outdated technology.
zinc = 765 ppm
phosphorus = 624 ppm
moly = 52 ppm
calcium = 7,652 ppm
TBN = 23.2

10. 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi

zinc = 801 ppm
phosphorus = 842 ppm
moly = 112 ppm
calcium = 799 ppm
TBN = 7.5

Looks like I'm staying with Mobil 1 5w30.

BR

Rotella T6 121st on the list of best oils. Not good.

Here's you a quote :

"BOTTOM LINE: Thinner oils are better for most engine lubrication needs."

My favourite

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Looks like I am changing to Mobil also.

I'd like to see his test apparatus. I wonder when BLS-Larry will chime in. I have been running his M1 0-40 in my '97. STOS. (slicker'n owl snot)

BR--Don't you have to ban yourself now?

Isn't one of the commandments: "Thou shalt not intentionally start an oil thread." :goofy:

As to oil, I'm in favour ...

rangemaster

I'd like to see his test apparatus. I wonder when BLS-Larry will chime in. I have been running his M1 0-40 in my '97. STOS. (slicker'n owl snot)

When will Larry chime in???? Heck... I read most of the article and it sounds like Larry wrote parts of it!!!

They author and Larry are certainly in agreement on topics of oil flow, lubrication, and internal engine component temperature as it relates to oil flow and viscosity... the author, along with actually testing the oils, also carries the following credentials:

Mechanical Engineer

U.S. Patent Holder (Mechanical Device for Military Jet Aircraft)

Member SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers)

Member ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers)

actually that motul is fine with a Cat as long as you don't burn oil. However the add pack is very strong, and more than likely is trying to get that 5w30 to hold up in a motorcycle, it definitely has a far better chance than those light weight car oils 5w30's.

How about cold weather performance? I want to know what oil to run when it is so cold your snot freezes in your nose......

What impress me was the Ford Motorcraft 5W50 Syn like for the Harley boys.

:mad:

121. 5W40 SHELL ROTELLA T6 Diesel Oil, synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, SM, SL = 67,804 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD

jlrotax583

:mad:

121. 5W40 SHELL ROTELLA T6 Diesel Oil, synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, SM, SL = 67,804 psi

zinc = TBD

phos = TBD

moly = TBD

Article Quote: "The poor wear protection performance of all but the one particular top ranked Diesel oil, makes it very clear that in general, Diesel oils are a poor choice for High Performance gas engines."

Switchblade

Rotella T6 121st on the list of best oils. Not good.

Here's you a quote :

"BOTTOM LINE: Thinner oils are better for most engine lubrication needs."

The only good thing for me is I always change my oil between 1500-2000 miles so even tho Rotella T6 was 121 I changed it early .

The new bike has T6 in it now because I just changed it 5 days before Kevin post this thread so back to Mobil 5W30 Syn.

I had just picked up a case of M1 5w30 based on Larry's feedback and this gentleman's test results strengthen that argument and really eases my mind...

I almost want to drain the T6 without running and warming it up first!

You guys really ought to run a uoa, before sheeping on the 5w30 ban wagon. I think you'll be a little shocked. I know BLS has not for any useable runs.

I stress my engine every time I ride... the engineer did oil wear stress tests on 151 types of oil and M1 5w30 is in the top ten and available almost everywhere. I've been using 5wXX oil for a decade for the same reason Larry and the blog author state and I agree with the logic & physics it is based on. The oil I'm currently using ranked #121. I'm a scientist by training and pride myself on intelligent decision making based on the best available data... that is not a sheep.

Ive seen the results of larry's , wasn't too impressed, compared to known better results. Im just saying better to get real results , generated from your motor.

I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! :beer:

Thanks Bailey... I love oil threads and that author too... it's like I found a brother... have you sent a sample of your oil off to Blackstone Labs???

spud786

I know BLS has not for any useable runs.

I decided to test whether a motorcycle specific oil produced better

numbers than a Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO)... Selected were Asmoil

MCT 10w30 and Mobil 1 AFE 0w30... granted the miles are low but they

are miles not in moderation either more like tracks speeds which

simulates the distant my customers cover in a year of racing or track

days... my customers are usually consummate riders with enough spare

cash to afford to own any exotic homologated racer they desire from

the Golden Years of World Superbikes or a Desmosedici... ..

You can see the wear and shear slightly favored the M1 but was up to them

whether they want to spend $64.75 OCI @ $12.95 qt for Amsoil or $27 OCI

@ $5.40 qt Mobil 1...

Mobil 0w30

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Amsoil 10w30

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Baileyrock

I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! :beer:

Adding to that sentiment here is a good explanation how oils are graded...

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Q-Dawg

How about cold weather performance? I want to know what oil to run when it is so cold your snot freezes in your nose......

API ranks the first number and the letter W from the newest to the

oldest on its ability to lube your engine during critical start up...

Watch the Amsoil video in my post for details...

0w

5W

10W

15W

20W

If you wish to employ the latest in cold start technology then you want an one with an API

rank of 0W...

Run a real oil and drop that metal count 70%

actually I cant guarantee the full drop without the leaded Fuel diet

BusyLittleShop

Baileyrock

I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! :beer:

Adding to that sentiment here is a good explanation how oils are graded...

I LIKE MOVIES, THX LARRY.

Baileyrock

BusyLittleShop

Baileyrock

I think there is some damn good data here, use it as you wish! :beer:

Adding to that sentiment here is a good explanation how oils are graded...

I LIKE MOVIES, THX LARRY.

And popcorn !!!

The motul is available for $16.00 - $20.00

+1, 5w30 mobil syn

OK we know what's the best oil to run in our VFR's, now whats the best oil to run in my two Mercedes Diesels?????

Does it have to be diesel specific ??? :cool:

BR

Baileyrock

OK we know what's the best oil to run in our VFR's, now whats the best oil to run in my two Mercedes Diesels?????

Does it have to be diesel specific ??? :cool:

BR

Try this... I'm sure it ain't cheap though...

17. 5W30 Amsoil Series 3000 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil synthetic, API CI-4 PLUS, CF, SL, ACEA A3/B3, E2, E3, E5, E7 = 102,642 psi

This is BY FAR, the highest ranked Diesel oil I have ever tested.

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Series 3000 SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Heavy Duty Diesel Oil

Maximum Fuel Economy and Excellent Anti-Wear Protection

Engineered for pre-2007 diesel engines in on-road applications as well as all model year diesel engines in off-road applications. Also engineered for all gasoline engines recommending API SL specifications including turbo-charged vehicles. Provides superior wear protection and fuel efficiency.

A little high ..

Mercedes owners can't be bothered with worrying about silly things like oil and vehicle maintenance. :goofy:

Amsoil has a 0W-40 motorcycle-specific oil that is the cat's ass~

Rush2112

Baileyrock

OK we know what's the best oil to run in our VFR's, now whats the best oil to run in my two Mercedes Diesels?????

Does it have to be diesel specific ??? :cool:

BR

Try this... I'm sure it ain't cheap though...

17. 5W30 Amsoil Series 3000 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil synthetic, API CI-4 PLUS, CF, SL, ACEA A3/B3, E2, E3, E5, E7 = 102,642 psi

This is BY FAR, the highest ranked Diesel oil I have ever tested.

Yeah that item is great, but do I Need a diesel specific oil in them?

Baileyrock

Yeah that item is great, but do I Need a diesel specific oil in them?

No...

The American Petroleum Institute (API) sets minimum for performance

standards for lubricants... it is split (for passenger cars) into two

categories. S = Petrol and C = Diesel, most oils carry both petrol (S)

and diesel C

In that Amsoil video the guy states that Mobil 1 5w30 is the base oil

to all their Diesel synthetics so in their view it exceeds the minimum

standards for your Mercedes... its up to you whether you want to spend

$12.95 qt for Amsoil or $5.40 qt Mobil 1...

http://www.motoparthub.com/104108_Motul_300v_Synthetic_Motor_Oil_Oil_300v_5w30_Synester_1l

TNRabbit

Amsoil has a 0W-40 motorcycle-specific oil that is the cat's ass~

Referring back to that Amsoil video the guy states that Mobil 1 0w30

is the base oil to all their auto synthetics and Mobil 1 5w30 is the

base to all their diesel synthetics... in their view M1 is the premium

POA... The motorcycle specific oil is either one or the other or a

combination...

BusyLittleShop

TNRabbit

Amsoil has a 0W-40 motorcycle-specific oil that is the cat's ass~

Referring back to that Amsoil video the guy states that Mobil 1 0w30

is the base oil to all their auto synthetics and Mobil 1 5w30 is the

base to all their diesel synthetics... in their view M1 is the premium

POA... The motorcycle specific oil is either one or the other or a

combination...

There only a few places to get pao, that has nothing to do with the final product, and to even insuate they are the same is totally incorrect. Anyone with a nose should be able to tell they aren't the same oils.

the question should be how much pao is in Mobil1, in comparision. The way the flash point have dropped on many Mobil1 products, such as the VTWIN, id say not much.

spud786

the question should be how much pao is in Mobil1, in comparision. The way the flash point have dropped on many Mobil1 products, such as the VTWIN, id say not much.

Quote Mobil

"Mobil 1 uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs)"

but no knows the exact % of PAO in Mobil1...

PAO (polyalphaolefin) are base fluids that are synthesized from

ethylene. Commonly referred to as synthetic hydrocarbons, have many

favorable properties which contribute to their rapidly growing use

for a variety of industrial applications . They have low pour points,

low volatility, good compatibility, thermal stability,

hydrological stability, chemical inertness and good natural lubricity.

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FLASH POINT

You'll see motor oil flash point range from 380 to 485...

Technically speaking an oils flash point is the lowest temperature at

which it will generate sufficient vapor to flash or ignite when exposed

to a source of ignition, or fire. In other words, at what temperature

do the smoldering vapors catch fire? For most gasoline oil

samples, it's around 380F. For most diesel samples, it's around 410F.

When the flash point reads lower than expected, it may indicate fuel

contamination or solvents or even water.

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Vtwin used to be around 518 degree flash, now its down around 440 degree like their car oils, vtwin used to be the real stuff, the base oil has cheapen. 10w40 used to be at 487 degree, mobil has made changes to its expensive oils while maintaining price, consumer none the wiser.

Mobil maintains price of their expensive oils from the shear volume of sales...

Oil Market share

Mobil 1 58%

Amsoil 4%

Quaker State 4%

Castrol 7%

Pennzoil 9%

Valvoline 10%

Havoline 2%

Others 6%

So M1 5w30 is sweet Diesel as well?

Baileyrock

So M1 5w30 is sweet Diesel as well?

Just pulled a quart out of the case in my garage and there is no API "C" rating for diesel and it specifically stated "For Gasoline Engines" on the front label...

Rush2112

Baileyrock

So M1 5w30 is sweet Diesel as well?

Just pulled a quart out of the case in my garage and there is no API "C" rating for diesel and it specifically stated "For Gasoline Engines" on the front label...

I knew Larry was full of it!!!! :tongue:

Baileyrock

I knew Larry was full of it!!!! :tongue:

I do and I do for you kids and this is the thanks I get... ;)

I trash freely! :491:

Keep it coming Larry, so do I buy M1 5w30 and add my own diesel pkg? :unsure:

Baileyrock

I trash freely! :491:

Keep it coming Larry, so do I buy M1 5w30 and add my own diesel pkg? :unsure:

I don't C how you could go wrong...

These are the three Mobil 1 products I currently use.

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The European Car Formula 0w40 meets my 05 CDI Benz MB 229.5 requirements.

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This one ESP Formula 5w30 is the only one that meets my 2010 TDI's VW 507.00 requirements with particulate filter.

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This EP 5w30 is what on use on everything else.

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Where did you pick-up the 5w30 EP formula? I've been looking for that one and none of my local stores have it... Autozone, O'Reillys, WalMart, etc.

Take away the oil can marketing and facts are less confusing...

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So what does that mean Larry? :unsure:

Rush2112

Where did you pick-up the 5w30 EP formula? I've been looking for that one and none of my local stores have it... Autozone, O'Reillys, WalMart, etc.

I found a great deal on a case off eBay!

I had read that the M1 Extended Performance was still using all PAO...

Rush2112

I had read that the M1 Extended Performance was still using all PAO...

It has added calcium for longer term cleaning and that's your extended performance.

BLS posted a uoa with a mere few hundred miles, with metal counts that are high for a vfr in that short amount of mileage. I guess if all you guys are running sub 1000 miel intervals, you wont see how much metal you are actually losing.

Baileyrock

So what does that mean Larry? :unsure:

Mobil marketing speaks to our emotions like ESP Emissions Systems Protection whereas the API ratings speak to our intellect... ESP is not an API rating... API rating are SN SM SL means the phosphorus and zinc levels have to be emission friendly...

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