I have heard there are bikes now that you don't have to depress the clutch lever for 2, 3, 4, and 5th gear. What is this feature called? What bikes have it?
Cluchless Shifting Bikes
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All 3 of my VFRs have this feature, though I don't know the technical term.
Rogue, you have a DCT right? Do you still have the 750 or the nighthawk?
This can be accomplished on any constant mesh or with some practice on any (even automotive) manual transmission. Upshifting a bike, you simply release the throttle some and shift. It helps to preload the shift pedal. It can be done in the downshifting direction thought this makes RPM matching incredibly difficult. I've downshifted without clutch on the VFR to see what it was like, but wouldn't have any need to do this in normal street environment. I almost never upshift without declutching either, but many riders don't bother with it.
If you want to shift without even releasing the throttle, many newer bikes come equipped with a quickshifter. This can often be fitted aftermarket in conjunction with some other form of engine management. This is done with a switch in the shift linkage that will cut either fuel, spark, or both which has the same effect as the technique I described above.
I have heard of quickshifters. I looked it up, but all the sites I found assume you already know what it is. So this is an item that allows someone to shift without depressing the clutch, yes?
Correct. Hold that throttle open and give the shifter a bump. Started out upshift only but I know with some new models from BMW and Ducati it is up and down. I'm sure more have it and I would guess it will spread. Pretty fun thing...
I have heard there are bikes now that you don't have to depress the clutch lever for 2, 3, 4, and 5th gear. What is this feature called? What bikes have it?
Mines called my left foot. Slight back off on throttle, snick it in.
What adey said. You don't have to use the clutch on almost ANY motorcycle transmission for upshifting. You do have to lift off the throttle slightly.
Quickshifters mean no clutch AND no throttle changes.
What adey said. You don't have to use the clutch on almost ANY motorcycle transmission for upshifting. You do have to lift off the throttle slightly.
Quickshifters mean no clutch AND no throttle changes.
Still would like a quickshifter though.
Who wouldn't?
What adey said. You don't have to use the clutch on almost ANY motorcycle transmission for upshifting. You do have to lift off the throttle slightly.
Quickshifters mean no clutch AND no throttle changes.
Still would like a quickshifter though.
I should be picking a quickshifter up shortly for my 5th gen for use with my RapidBike Racing set-up :cool:
CandyRedRC has one on his 6th gen... so does HighSideNZ...
Do these things prevent that occasional missed shift?
You know, the one where you shift up, let out clutch and give gas, and the engine zings, no gear engaged. Doh!
Oops, pull in clutch, try again. :unsure:
I think every bike I have had, did this once in a while.
Do these things prevent that occasional missed shift?
You know, the one where you shift up, let out clutch and give gas, and the engine zings, no gear engaged. Doh!
Oops, pull in clutch, try again. :unsure:
I think every bike I have had, did this once in a while.
Nah... I think a Factory Pro EVO Shift Star kit helps with sloppy shift engagement... that and a strong deliberate shift action :goofy:
I believe what you're describing is also symptoms of worn gear engagement dogs...
New 2015 vfr800 has optional quick shifter from the factory.
On my 2007 I have installed:
Factory Pro shift kit (star/spring/arm/ball bearings) the star has a more aggressive profile and the spring is much stiffer. You get much more positive gear selections, while using more effort and the roller bearings help smooth things out. Finding neutral is a more difficult now, though gear changes are quicker.
Sato GP shift rear sets:
These are the best thing ever and totally worth the cost. All bikes should be GP shift from the factory. Also, through the use of different geometry, lever throw can be shortened for quicker shifts, though again making neutral a little harder to find and adding again, more shift effort. All moving parts are aerospace grade with ball bearing. I love these rear sets.
Rapid Bike plus Anori Quick shifter:
The quick shifter unit itself is a strain gauge sensor (pull, not push orientation) adjustable for force required to initiate shift. I've got mine set at about 11 pounds. This is so much more advanced than my old push button style shift rod switch set up that always needed tightening and was prone to failing.
Also the Rapid bike itself has 3 programmable shift cut times per selectable rpm. So I have around 65 milliseconds up to 8000 RPMs, 60 ms to 10,000 RPMs and then 55ms past 10,000 RPMs, so shifts are soft while cruising and hard while racing.
Further more, if you can tap into the factory gear position sensor the Rapid Bike can do adjustable fuel/ignition maps per gear, as well as ADJUSTABLE FUEL CUT TIMES PER GEAR. ( I need this in my life, but Dimsport wasn't able to tap into the VFR800 GPS easily enough, so it wasn't integrated into their harness)
All in all after riding like this for a while, riding standard bikes with out quick shift sucks a lot. I don't ever want to go back.
On my 2007 I have installed:
Factory Pro shift kit (star/spring/arm/ball bearings) the star has a more aggressive profile and the spring is much stiffer. You get much more positive gear selections, while using more effort and the roller bearings help smooth things out. Finding neutral is a more difficult now, though gear changes are quicker.
Sato GP shift rear sets:
These are the best thing ever and totally worth the cost. All bikes should be GP shift from the factory. Also, through the use of different geometry, lever throw can be shortened for quicker shifts, though again making neutral a little harder to find and adding again, more shift effort. All moving parts are aerospace grade with ball bearing. I love these rear sets.
Rapid Bike plus Anori Quick shifter:
The quick shifter unit itself is a strain gauge sensor (pull, not push orientation) adjustable for force required to initiate shift. I've got mine set at about 11 pounds. This is so much more advanced than my old push button style shift rod switch set up that always needed tightening and was prone to failing.
Also the Rapid bike itself has 3 programmable shift cut times per selectable rpm. So I have around 65 milliseconds up to 8000 RPMs, 60 ms to 10,000 RPMs and then 55ms past 10,000 RPMs, so shifts are soft while cruising and hard while racing.
Further more, if you can tap into the factory gear position sensor the Rapid Bike can do adjustable fuel/ignition maps per gear, as well as ADJUSTABLE FUEL CUT TIMES PER GEAR. ( I need this in my life, but Dimsport wasn't able to tap into the VFR800 GPS easily enough, so it wasn't integrated into their harness)
All in all after riding like this for a while, riding standard bikes with out quick shift sucks a lot. I don't ever want to go back.
New 2015 vfr800 has optional quick shifter from the factory.
On my 2007 I have installed:
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Rapid Bike plus Anori Quick shifter:
The quick shifter unit itself is a strain gauge sensor (pull, not push orientation) adjustable for force required to initiate shift. I've got mine set at about 11 pounds. This is so much more advanced than my old push button style shift rod switch set up that always needed tightening and was prone to failing.
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Which quickshifter is RapidBike selling? Did you get your Anori from them or another source? I sent my RBR module in for re-programming and I'm getting the MTB and possibly the quickshifter but I want to get the best functioning type of QS...
I bought my quickshifter straight from Yaman at Cycle Pro / Rapid Bike, but its my understanding that's its the same style as the Anori. I'm not really sure if the Anori is exactly the same/similar/ plug and play or needs some modifying to work with the Rapid Bike, but I don't see much point in ordering else where. This quick shifter from rapid bike is pretty much as good as it gets.
I bought my quickshifter straight from Yaman at Cycle Pro / Rapid Bike, but its my understanding that's its the same style as the Anori. I'm not really sure if the Anori is exactly the same/similar/ plug and play or needs some modifying to work with the Rapid Bike, but I don't see much point in ordering else where. This quick shifter from rapid bike is pretty much as good as it gets.
Ok, sounds good. Thanks for the info... I'll pick-up the RB QS then...
I think Mohawk is either already running an Anori or getting ready to. So he might have some more insight :)
My new DLX came with quick shifter, love it, only problem I have is me, sometimes slow to let pressure off and it bogs.
Huh? Like it gives you an extra fuel cut?
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