All kidding aside, (actually, the rotors and rectifiers are problematic on these) these are one of my favorite bikes as well. The modded bikes with modern suspension are just incredible, I hope to build one someday as well!
According to the previous owner, he had the entire charging system replaced. So I should be good on that for a little while! :fing02:
Not long after, he sold the Fiero and bought a Skyline and modded the crap out of it, body, brakes and handling. Engine mostly stock.
Then, he traded that skyline straight across for another with a 600hp built engine and a poor body. Swapped on an R-34 body kit and painted it, upgraded the brakes and stripped the interior and put in a roll cage. He races it.
After that, he bought a JDM RX-7 with no motor and a built V-8 subframe to install a GM LS series motor. (still has the Skyline)
Lost interest and traded the RX7 straight across for ANOTHER RHD RX7 with bad apex seals. He just bought a complete powertrain off EBAY for that and plans to totally hop up the engine. It'll be his "daily driver".
Seb ended up having friday free, so he decided to come up to Rochester for a little tourism. Parents were bringing the bike up from Cleveland Saturday morning. Unfortunately the weather wasn't playing nice, so no ride was going to happen. So we decided to play tourist and hit the hot spots. First off, Beers of the world.
Since in NY, you cannot sell liquor and beer in the same store, the beer stores tend to be pretty big. Thankfully for the wallet, the baskets can only hold so many bottles. On to meet up with Matt (Intercept.This) and get some garbage plates. Macaroni salad, fries, mustard, cheese, onions, and ground beef. Hot sauce optional. Enough calories to last you the week.
Yoshi turned me on to this 1981 CB900F on craigslist in Ohio. Luckily his Dad is bike-savvy and was able to pick it up and meet me in Rochester with it yesterday. It's my entry for a winter bike buildoff on another site.
Price was cheap, it's not running right now as it sat for a few years but looks like it can be running pretty quickly. Will need a tank flush, carb clean, battery, etc... AND A PAINT JOB!!! :laughing6-hehe: has about 30k miles on it.
Plan is to swap out the front end for a 900RR set I have, swap out the rear for a 900RR swingarm with mono shock setup, and also paint it to look like the last pic.
Buildoff runs from November 1 - May 2011. :cheerleader:
All kidding aside, (actually, the rotors and rectifiers are problematic on these) these are one of my favorite bikes as well. The modded bikes with modern suspension are just incredible, I hope to build one someday as well!
[image: View Post]TexOz, on 07 November 2010 - 02:53 PM, said:
So, what can you win Seb?
People's choice, and probably a magazine/website feature. No prizes that I know of.
Just got done pulling the pods off and the old battery out, put a spare battery in along with a quick shot of starter fluid & it ran! :cheerleader:
Next step is pull/drain the tank and the carbs, clean them, reinstall & see if it runs on gas. Then the real fun begins.
I have pretty much all the suspension parts - forks/brakes/wheels/LSL top triple for handlebar setup/900 swingarm/rear wheel/etc - and, the Ohlins shock from my F4i track bike. I'm kinda glad now that nobody bought my parts. :smile:
The arm was powdercoated gloss black by previous owner, it just needs a cleaning. Already did the steering stem swap on the lower triple when I planned to use these on my 86. Wheels are both 17" and painted to match, with Pirelli Diablos installed.
Will be selling the stock parts that I'm not using to recoup some of the cost of the bike & misc parts needed to get this done.
[image: View Post]Veefer800Canuck, on 07 November 2010 - 11:09 PM, said:
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 07 November 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:
Yes, the swingarm is mounted upside down in that bike. I'm going to mount mine right side up with a "normal" monoshock.
I dunno, I'm going to have to go against the grain on that. Dual shocks with piggyback reservoirs just look "right" on that bike. :fing02:
But you're probably using as many spare parts as possible from Team SebSpeed's cache, so I get where you're heading with that one. :idea3:
Oh, and only one more wish: that it was an 1100, not a 900. Oh well, price was right.
You got it, I'm trying to use up the parts pile. I do like the dual shock look a lot, especially when it's a pair of Ohlins! This is a budget build though(as most of mine are...), so my choices are stock boingers, or the CBR Ohlins. Hmmm...
The 1100 motor slots right in, so if I ever came across one, I'd have the option.
Oh, I'm very motivated, just held up at the moment waiting for powdercoated parts to come in for my secret 96 project... then I can get this bad boy(girl??) on the lift. :fing02:
Sorry Seb, I've got to second the duals. They fill in that empty space nicely, but, your bike, your rules. I vote stock silver with blue stripes. OH GOD...I"m starting to recommend blue..........HELP ME!!
Speaking of selling parts... the stock gauges will be going up on the block very soon. My new Vapor gauge came in today. I took the old gauges off and mapped out the connector, so I can build a new one to power a homemade idiot light panel.
Got any spokes kickin' around? I'm so diggin' spokes lately. Who care's how it handles. most streetfighters go backwards in the handling department anyway. This looks yummy.
[image: View Post]Kel, on 08 November 2010 - 10:56 PM, said:
Got any spokes kickin' around? I'm so diggin' spokes lately. Who care's how it handles. most streetfighters go backwards in the handling department anyway. This looks yummy.
No spokes kicking around. Got a lot of non-spoke wheels that need to go away/get used on projects before anything new rolls in. I care a lot about how it handles - if I didn't, I probably wouldn't bother with the wheel swap. (Actually, I would... but I'da built a bobber! :biggrin: )
L.Newman's bike is sexy for sure - I wish he would finish it! :computer-noworky:
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 08 November 2010 - 11:01 PM, said:
No spokes kicking around. Got a lot of non-spoke wheels that need to go away/get used on projects before anything new rolls in. I care a lot about how it handles - if I didn't, I probably wouldn't bother with the wheel swap. (Actually, I would... but I'da built a bobber! :biggrin: )
[image: View Post]Kel, on 08 November 2010 - 10:56 PM, said:
Got any spokes kickin' around? I'm so diggin' spokes lately. Who care's how it handles. most streetfighters go backwards in the handling department anyway. This looks yummy.
Gotta tell you Seb, I still think that bike cries out for duals. Mine's so close to original, I'm going to probably leave it that way, at least for a while longer.
By the way, the swing arm folks were commenting on IS right side up. The bracing on the arms folks ran in SBK back then was on the bottom.
[image: View Post]vfrjim2002, on 29 November 2010 - 04:28 PM, said:
Gotta tell you Seb, I still think that bike cries out for duals. Mine's so close to original, I'm going to probably leave it that way, at least for a while longer.
By the way, the swing arm folks were commenting on IS right side up. The bracing on the arms folks ran in SBK back then was on the bottom.
Right side up for the period, yes. Right side up per the original orientation of the part used, no.
If I had 5 of these bikes, I would build them 5 different ways. Right now, the parts I have available to me within my budget dictate that this will be a monoshock bike. Or stock... (meh)...
I've had a hankering to bobber one of these too. :comp13: :laughing6-hehe:
Before you start hating me, I would restore and/or make a Spencer rep first though. (after this one) :wink:
[image: View Post]Veefer800Canuck, on 29 November 2010 - 03:49 PM, said:
You just doubled the bike's value!
Kinda hard to say that. I know where you're coming from, but I tried to sell that shock for 2 years for $450, and had not a single taker. Must be worth nothing then! :comp13: Heh!
[image: View Post]ss_burns, on 29 November 2010 - 04:19 PM, said:
I was waiting for the 3rd pic of you hazing the rear tire while on the trailer. I'm disapointed now. :dry:
Were it running at the time, it would have been tempting. Sorry to disappoint Sean! :pinocchio:
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 07 November 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Veefer800Canuck, on 07 November 2010 - 07:09 PM, said:
Is your wife packing her bags and heading to Mother's as we speak? :blush:
Not at all! Even after I tell her that I'm going to keep it instead of selling it, she won't disown me. :fing02:
Yeah, I've been with my wife for 15 years and she's gotten used to me needing to do things. Otherwise she just ends up finding out how much of an asshat I turn into when I don't have a project or hobby on the boil.
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 29 November 2010 - 06:00 PM, said:
[image: View Post]vfrjim2002, on 29 November 2010 - 04:28 PM, said:
Gotta tell you Seb, I still think that bike cries out for duals. Mine's so close to original, I'm going to probably leave it that way, at least for a while longer.
By the way, the swing arm folks were commenting on IS right side up. The bracing on the arms folks ran in SBK back then was on the bottom.
Right side up for the period, yes. Right side up per the original orientation of the part used, no.
If I had 5 of these bikes, I would build them 5 different ways. Right now, the parts I have available to me within my budget dictate that this will be a monoshock bike. Or stock... (meh)...
I've had a hankering to bobber one of these too. :comp13: :laughing6-hehe:
Before you start hating me, I would restore and/or make a Spencer rep first though. (after this one) :wink:
This would be my first choice. Good luck. It'll be fun watching the progress.
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 29 November 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:
[image: View Post]jaimev34, on 29 November 2010 - 06:08 PM, said:
Nice! Where'd you get that from, if I may ask?
That came out of my F4i track bike. Unfortunately, it doesn't fit any VFR's, due to the attached reservoir. :blush:
Just wondering where you bought it from. I can't seem to find any aftermarket shocks anywhere besides some Ohlins shocks on Ebay. Since the res. hangs off the side, it doesn't fit in a VFR? Doesn't Turtlecreek have one in his 6th gen?
[image: View Post]jaimev34, on 29 November 2010 - 09:29 PM, said:
Just wondering where you bought it from. I can't seem to find any aftermarket shocks anywhere besides some Ohlins shocks on Ebay. Since the res. hangs off the side, it doesn't fit in a VFR? Doesn't Turtlecreek have one in his 6th gen?
[image: View Post]vfrjim2002, on 29 November 2010 - 04:28 PM, said:
Gotta tell you Seb, I still think that bike cries out for duals. Mine's so close to original, I'm going to probably leave it that way, at least for a while longer.
By the way, the swing arm folks were commenting on IS right side up. The bracing on the arms folks ran in SBK back then was on the bottom.
:fing02: :fing02: :fing02: :fing02: Great great project Seb :fing02: I loved my 750 f but always wanted the 900 :pissed:
[image: View Post]y2kvfr, on 21 December 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:
I really need to take a course in welding...
Check for local vocational schools, I asked for a mig welding course years ago at work and they sent me to a night class at the local Questar/votec center. Was a good class, and IIRC, the cost was reasonable.
I learned tig through OJT for the apprenticeship I did at work.
I have a rear brake setup and second swingarm on the way for this beast. Hope to have them Sunday along with the big honking extension cord I need for the tig. :fing02:
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 22 December 2010 - 08:23 AM, said:
Check for local vocational schools, I asked for a mig welding course years ago at work and they sent me to a night class at the local Questar/votec center. Was a good class, and IIRC, the cost was reasonable.
yeap, every spring the local community college offers a course. I'm waiting for the list of courses flyer to come out in the paper. I was |*| that close to taking it last spring...
[image: View Post]y2kvfr, on 22 December 2010 - 08:25 AM, said:
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 22 December 2010 - 08:23 AM, said:
Check for local vocational schools, I asked for a mig welding course years ago at work and they sent me to a night class at the local Questar/votec center. Was a good class, and IIRC, the cost was reasonable.
yeap, every spring the local community college offers a course. I'm waiting for the list of courses flyer to come out in the paper. I was |*| that close to taking it last spring...
The guy that ran my class was pretty cool, the class was for mig, but the school's shop had stick and tig units as well. He let a few guys try their hands at the other machines, and did a run down on oxy/ace torch use as well. (another piece of equipment I want here at some point!)
[image: View Post]redmarque, on 23 December 2010 - 03:39 AM, said:
Nice Tig setup you got there Seb! :cheerleader:
5-230 amps, ac/dc, thumb controller, water cooler
Looking forward to seeing what you stitch together with it! :biggrin:
Thanks Red! This one is air cooled, that's just a drawer in the bottom of the cart there. I don't plan to do any long hot welds, so I should be fine without the cooler. Also, I removed the hand control as the machine came with a new foot pedal and I much prefer the foot control.
[image: View Post]Dutchy, on 12 January 2011 - 01:55 PM, said:
I have some NACA ducts if you want them...... :laughing6-hehe:
Thanks Leon! :biggrin:
So far, the donor bike list goes:
- CBR900RR forks & triples
- steering stem from 86 VFR700
- rear shock from CBR600F4i
- swingarm from 900RR
- front wheel from CBR600F3 / brakes from 900RR
- rear wheel from 900RR / rear rotor from CBR1000RR
- possibly a set of F4i wheels
- cush drive/rear sprocket from VF500F
- front sprocket from RC30
- header from CB1100F
- Arata slip-on from RC51
- Trail Tech Vapor gauge meant for Suzuki DR
- Vortex rearsets from CBR600F3
- 900RR front brake master
- CBR600F4 clutch perch
- mirror mounts from Suzuki BKing
- front fender from CBR600F4i
Amazingly enough, no VFR parts yet... :laughing6-hehe:
If you and I were close with the equipment in my garage and the combined enthusiasm for projects, we'd be quite entertaining. What's the final result to be?
[image: View Post]dr.toto, on 12 January 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:
If you and I were close with the equipment in my garage and the combined enthusiasm for projects, we'd be quite entertaining. What's the final result to be?
Mill, lathe. tube benders, sheet metal brake, bead roller, sheet metal roller, tig, 6 paint guns, grinders, buffers, large air comp., Enough that I built dragsters from scratch and maintained them. I don't have any cnc, yet. I'm thinking of a cafe racer with modern suspension. I have a F4I swingarm hiding and I'm looking at front ends. I just don't know what the bike will be yet.
[image: View Post]timmythecop, on 12 January 2011 - 08:25 PM, said:
Note the relocated dual shocks!
Noted & disregarded... :tongue:
[image: View Post]xerox, on 12 January 2011 - 09:06 PM, said:
Did you paint the wheels or is that powder? if so, what color?
Those particular wheels are painted. I recently had a set powdercoated in a color called "Spanish Gold" and they came out very nice.
[image: View Post]dr.toto, on 12 January 2011 - 09:43 PM, said:
What sort of equipment have you got?
Mill, lathe. tube benders, sheet metal brake, bead roller, sheet metal roller, tig, 6 paint guns, grinders, buffers, large air comp., Enough that I built dragsters from scratch and maintained them. I don't have any cnc, yet. I'm thinking of a cafe racer with modern suspension. I have a F4I swingarm hiding and I'm looking at front ends. I just don't know what the bike will be yet.
Ooh, you're right. I would be visiting your place a lot if I was closer! :goofy: Mill, lathe, brake and slip roll are on my shortest short list. Tube bender is a very close runner up!
As soon as I hit the lotto, I'm setting up a very large steel building outfitted as a do-all bike fab shop. From idea to finished product & everything in between, all under one roof with my hands only, that's my dream...
As soon as I hit the lotto, I'm setting up a very large steel building outfitted as a do-all bike fab shop. From idea to finished product & everything in between, all under one roof with my hands only, that's my dream...
Call Harbor Fright and order 1 of everything for delivery. :bliss: :goofy:
[image: View Post]VFR4Lee, on 12 January 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:
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As soon as I hit the lotto, I'm setting up a very large steel building outfitted as a do-all bike fab shop. From idea to finished product & everything in between, all under one roof with my hands only, that's my dream...
Call Harbor Fright and order 1 of everything for delivery. :bliss: :goofy:
Not sure now if this project will continue forward as planned - my future brother-in-law has expressed interest in the bike and he wouldn't want or need the suspension upgrade.
So basically, what you're saying is that by me being late getting there (only by 8hrs...) actually helped 'reinspire' you??? :laughing6-hehe:
Gee, now I feel like I have 'fractional mental ownership' in the project! :blush: :rolleyes:
Looks great Sebastian but regarding the the F4 fender, it is pretty chunky in front of the fork tube....rub some of that "magic fender" on it like your previous slice and dice and it should be good to go.
It seems to me it should be much thinner, kinda like a chrome metal fender from that era but in plastic, more minimalistic.
[image: View Post]cornercarver, on 31 January 2011 - 08:48 AM, said:
Looks great Sebastian but regarding the the F4 fender, it is pretty chunky in front of the fork tube....rub some of that "magic fender" on it like your previous slice and dice and it should be good to go.
Will do Keith. :fing02:
I need to take some pictures of the other goodies I have for this bad boy. Arata titanium can, Vortex rearsets, etc... :cool:
RC51 titanium Arata can, courtesy of a member from another forum, and the Vortex rearsets. I want to see if it's possible to adapt 900RR footpeg holders to these, as I've got a set of oem footpegs from my F4i that have the rubber tops, which I prefer.
I was sent a pair of cans, this is the left side. The right side is beat up and has to be made into a shorty to be usable. So, for now, I'm going to flip the Arata emblem to the other side of the can, weld the old holes shut, and mount it on the right.
Started by attaching the CB headlight to the 900 triples. I reused the CB bracket by cutting a bit off the bottom first. The rubber parts that fit into the CB triple had to go. I cut the rods off at the stop washer for the rubber, and welded on some steel that I bent up. Conveniently, the 900RR lower triple has two mounting holes that face forward, so I used them to secure the two brackets I made.
The top was another story, I had to make a bracket that tied the headlight bracket to the ignition mounting location, then also had to space the ignition down from the clamp. I found a couple Honda bolts that had large shoulders and fit in the existing bracket grommets perfectly! I welded those to my upper bracket, and the whole deal fits between the triples very snugly now!
Last, but in now way least, I had to bring the headlight closer to the forks. With the gargantuan oem gauges gone, this left a huge empty space that just looked weird. So, I sectioned the bucket mount arms. I have some steel stock that I'm going to weld in to make the transition nicer on the bottom. Speaking of which, all of these pieces are not done at all, they still need final trimming/shaping and paint - but they're functional right now. :)
[image: View Post]Veefer800Canuck, on 06 February 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:
Much better already.
Can't wait to see the paint scheme. :fing02:
(not feeling the love with the Duc tailsection)
Yeah, the Duc tail is not going on. Even "timmyblack" can't make it look small enough to use.
I'm thinking of maybe doing 06 VFR pearl cosmic black, instead of the silver/red stripe posted earlier. The black would also have accent striping/graphics, but I'm going to keep that up my sleeve for now.
Tomorrow I start measuring the old & new swingarms to get a better idea of what's getting machined and where.
Your going to keep that kick A$$ Tribalon paint scheme... Yeah right. And these are the threads that make me hate the fact that I have to spend $$$ on getting braces for the kids.
[image: View Post]VIFFER93, on 06 February 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:
Your going to keep that kick A$$ Tribalon paint scheme... Yeah right. And these are the threads that make me hate the fact that I have to spend $$$ on getting braces for the kids.
Great work,
The rearsets in the pics here are Vortex CBR600F3 parts, and they do not fit the 4th gen.
I have tried to fit oem RC51 rearsets to the 4th gen as well. While they *could* be made to work, I found that the amount that one would have to oversize the holes is too much. The kicker is that due to the configuration of the oem RC rearsets, the pegs would actually be about an inch LOWER than stock! :comp13:
I'm going to reshape the seat to match the Corbin Gunfighter. I really like the shape of their seat, but I'm not going to lay out $330 for one. This is a (small) budget build!
Also, I just ordered a set of the new style Chinese Pazzo levers - the folding, extendable type. Also have a set of bar clamp mirror mounts coming.
The reason for that, is the oem mirror mounts on the 900F are attached to the clutch lever (left) and the brake reservoir (right). Since I am using a 900RR brake master that doesn't have this provision, and because having the mirrors offset on either side would drive me crazy, I bought an F4i clutch perch. This allows me to attach the brake master and the clutch perch to the handlebar with new half-clamps that have the mirror mount built in. And since the F4i and 900RR use the same levers, I was able to get a 900RR folding lever set. Which is somehow cheaper than the F4i set, even though they are the same. :huh:
It's coming along Bud. :fing02: May will be here soon enough. I must say, I'm not feeling the headlight. I don't know if it's the chrome bezel, how far it sticks out or how high up it is but I'm just not feeling it. It looks like a stocker when the bike is screaming for a custom but all project's need to be judged on the completed picture so I'm sitting on my hands in anticipation. Now DO Work!
It's coming along Bud. :fing02: May will be here soon enough. I must say, I'm not feeling the headlight. I don't know if it's the chrome bezel, how far it sticks out or how high up it is but I'm just not feeling it. It looks like a stocker when the bike is screaming for a custom but all project's need to be judged on the completed picture so I'm sitting on my hands in anticipation. Now DO Work!
I wouldn't mind lowering the light by 2" or so. But, if I do that, I'll build a whole new custom mount(no time for that right now). I do like the round light, it's simple, and I've wanted an F for years. It counts as a musclebike ("muscle-fighter"?) in the buildoff, so perfect excuse to build a spruced up F.
I have some "different" stuff planned for other projects. :wink:
It's coming along Bud. :fing02: May will be here soon enough. I must say, I'm not feeling the headlight. I don't know if it's the chrome bezel, how far it sticks out or how high up it is but I'm just not feeling it. It looks like a stocker when the bike is screaming for a custom but all project's need to be judged on the completed picture so I'm sitting on my hands in anticipation. Now DO Work!
I wouldn't mind lowering the light by 2" or so. But, if I do that, I'll build a whole new custom mount(no time for that right now). I do like the round light, it's simple, and I've wanted an F for years. It counts as a musclebike ("muscle-fighter"?) in the buildoff, so perfect excuse to build a spruced up F.
I have some "different" stuff planned for other projects. :wink:
No doubt it will look slammin'. I'm a big fan of the muscle F's myself!!
So, if I remove the headers and turn them upside down, and a few minutes later there is a small puddle of oil under 2 of the 4 pipes, what does that mean?
I'm hoping it just means that the bike got knocked over and stayed on it's side for a little while... ???
It's certainly possible the motor was on it's side or upside down and had some oil get by some worn rings but it wold have smoked like a bastard when you started it. Perhaps you have a valve seal or two or 4 that have gone bye-bye. Ether way, oil finding it's way in the exhaust from just sitting can't be good. Compression check will tell you lots. My fingers are crossed.
It's certainly possible the motor was on it's side or upside down and had some oil get by some worn rings but it wold have smoked like a bastard when you started it. Perhaps you have a valve seal or two or 4 that have gone bye-bye. Ether way, oil finding it's way in the exhaust from just sitting can't be good. Compression check will tell you lots. My fingers are crossed.
Anyone have a comp tester they'd loan me? :unsure: I only "ran" it for a few seconds...
So, hopefully that bit of oil thing turns out to be nothing... in the meantime, I'm trying the freeze-water-in-the-pipes trick to try and remove these big nasty dents.
Back inside where it's warm, I took some measurements and a guess or two, and busted out the grinder. 10 minutes later, the swingarm fits, and I'm within a 1/4" of center with the wheel. :D
Using an RC30(VFR750R) 15T front sprocket, it fits and has 1/4" offset from the factory. Need to get a 525 rear sprocket to match, so I can use this spare 525 chain I had hanging around.
During the rest of this week, I'm going to work on:
- the rearset mount plates
- pulling the battery tray and other crap that's in the way of installing the shock
- grind the rear lower frame rail in prep for welding on the new dogbone mounts
- draw up the 2 new spacers needed for the swingarm
- draw up new left side rear wheel spacer
- get quotes for having those 3 items machined...
Figures... I finally get around to putting the pipes out with water in them, and it turns out to be the one night in over a month where the temp hasn't gone below freezing... :rolleyes:
In a few weeks when I come down to pick up some more goodies. Not sure if I have it here or in cleveland. Could mail it to you if you want it now.
Well, I'm hoping it's nothing, but if there is something wrong, then sooner would be better than later... this bike needs to be done/complete & running in May.
Someone help me here... a compression test will tell me if the compression rings and valve seats are good or not, but won't necessarily tell me if the oil rings and/or valve stem seals are bad, yes/no??
I really don't want to tear into this motor(or any other) unless I need to... this bike has about 30,000 miles on it.
it wont tell you squat about the valve seals. I bet a dime to a donut that the seals are trash from sitting around. Too bad you got yerself a 4 valve motor :biggrin:
but the slightly good news is that a set of seals is only like 20 bucks and a gasket kit is about twice that.
timmythecop, on 09 February 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:
it wont tell you squat about the valve seals. I bet a dime to a donut that the seals are trash from sitting around. Too bad you got yerself a 4 valve motor :biggrin:
but the slightly good news is that a set of seals is only like 20 bucks and a gasket kit is about twice that.
APE stem seals... $35
Head gasket... $78.24
Valve spring compressor... ? (C-clamp + cut up socket)
Learning how to rebuild a head... priceless???
The good news is... I should be on budget with even with the motor work. I have laid out next to nothing for parts so far. I had the front end/rear end/wheels here already and paid for for years. Vapor gauge was paid for by the sale of the oem gauges. Arata was free, rearsets were cheap. I bought grips, mirrors, and levers which add up to less than $100. Valve cover gasket was $22. AGM battery was free. Carb rebuild will be about $50-75.
Knowing me though, if I have to take the motor out/apart, then the entire bike will be apart for paint & powder shortly after - and that I CAN'T afford!
ps - I own a very nice set of pneumatic head porting tools. :smile: Suddenly May 2011 looks like it could be next week. :mellow:
After some discussion on other forums as well as this one, I'm going to plod on with the modding and pull the carbs when I get to them. They need to be cleaned so I can get the bike running which will allow me to make a proper diagnosis. Then we'll see about rebuilding the top end.
I seriously doubt you'll have an issue, once you get the thing running for a while... get some of the high-milege oil and run that for a few hundred miles.. that will help the seals swell back up to normal (if they are a bit dried out)... and if the rings are sticking, there's a few tricks for unsticking them, also. :fing02:
I seriously doubt you'll have an issue, once you get the thing running for a while... get some of the high-milege oil and run that for a few hundred miles.. that will help the seals swell back up to normal (if they are a bit dried out)... and if the rings are sticking, there's a few tricks for unsticking them, also. :fing02:
Looks interesting so far. In my experience, the valves are not all that hard to do, it's just that there are are just 16 of them. Obviously, if you're going to replace the seals you might as well check for leakers and do them all. You'd have to reshim all the valves, but that's not that big a deal. I'd second (or third) the "run her for a while and see what develops" approach.
Be careful with the ports. It's not easy to find horsepower there with these motors and it's unpleasantly easy to chase off some of the ponies you already have if you get things wrong. The best twin cam Honda head guy I ever knew of was Kaz Yoshima. He did a head for one of our endurance bikes. Beautiful work. He could work wonders, but there weren't all that many who could.
Looks interesting so far. In my experience, the valves are not all that hard to do, it's just that there are are just 16 of them. Obviously, if you're going to replace the seals you might as well check for leakers and do them all. You'd have to reshim all the valves, but that's not that big a deal. I'd second (or third) the "run her for a while and see what develops" approach.
Be careful with the ports. It's not easy to find horsepower there with these motors and it's unpleasantly easy to chase off some of the ponies you already have if you get things wrong. The best twin cam Honda head guy I ever knew of was Kaz Yoshima. He did a head for one of our endurance bikes. Beautiful work. He could work wonders, but there weren't all that many who could.
Thanks Jim.
I have a scotchbrite mandrel that is small and removes very little material. What it does do, is mostly smooth out the casting irregularities/high spots, and adds a bit of swirl effect. I know Honda designed the chamber to swirl, but, I can't resist the urge to fiddle sometimes. I wouldn't take it apart just t otry that, but if I have the head off on the bench in front of me, I'll be quite tempted!
If you have an air regulator and some fittings and an old spark plug, you could make a leak down meter. That is a better test than a comp check in many ways. It won't tell you if the valve seals are bad but it will tell you if you have leaky valves which could lead to oil comsumption on good cylinders.
Just getting caught up here. Very interested to see if the ice trick will fix the headers.
Try and run a little kerosene in the oil to clean the internals.
You can borrow my Snap-On compression tester if you haven`t found one yet. The spark plug adapters have air fittings if you want to check for leaks. Just give me a call if you need it.
Just getting caught up here. Very interested to see if the ice trick will fix the headers.
Try and run a little kerosene in the oil to clean the internals.
You can borrow my Snap-On compression tester if you haven`t found one yet. The spark plug adapters have air fittings if you want to check for leaks. Just give me a call if you need it.
Thanks Tom.
Making very little progress with popping the dents out - I suspect the lack of space inside the pipe leaves little room for water, and less water = less expansion as it freezes. I can see how it would work a lot better/faster with a 4-5" diameter 2 stroke expansion pipe. I have some time yet to try a few more thaw/freeze cycles. If & when I get tired of that, or if it doesn't work, I'll weld some studs on and pull the dents manually.
I moved the plug for the taillights/rear signals. It was facing out the bottom of the housing, I cut a hole and now have it facing the front of the bike. With the light in its new location, there was no room to have it connect the old way.
I also finished the trim on the fender. While getting happy with the sawzall out back, I forgot all about the headlight being held in with just one little piece of masking tape... oops... shattered on the floor... doh!! :blush:
Hopefully all the Chinese parts I ordered show up soon, so I can finish the mockup of the front end. Planning to work on the front fender over the next few days. That leaves me with finalizing the fitment of the swingarm and the shock.
After that, it's carbs/seat/paint/pretty everything up and time to call it a day! * :beer:
The new adapters will attach the same way the old brackets did, via the swingarm pivot bolt and the lower engine mount bolt. The Vortex rearsets will attach with the lower engine mount bolt, and one new tapped hole location. This moves the pegs about 5" straight back from the stock position.
I need to shape the adapters a bit to pretty them up, and make spacers to line them up on the bike in such a way that the swingarm pivot and engine mount bolt don't need to be shortened.
Of course I could just extend the threads and cut the bolts down, but I actually need the peg brackets spaced off the frame to make room for the shift linkage and the brake master.
I might use this as a base for a custom front fender, it's a VF1000R fender mount bracket. I like it because it has the same little flip up spoiler shape that the stock CB fender and tail have. It'll need to be widened a bit if I use it.
[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on 20 March 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:
[image: View Post]mello dude, on 20 March 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:
Some 2 cents of ideas--- Header almost needs to be silver to balance out the black on black on black and silver/aluminum forks. Then the can pipe could use a bend so the can is more paralel to the seat. Add a different hanger to upgrade the look.
Header will be changed out for this one, as posted earlier. Will be a "light straw, heated stainless" color...
[image: View Post]Veefer800Canuck, on 25 March 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:
Rear stand brackets.
Dingdingding...
Machining new axle blocks and attaching these. I was going to just drill the arm and add spools, but I seem to have misplaced my expensive rivnut tool.
Paddles on the stand are adequate for brief use, but if you work on the bike, it tends to wiggle out of place.
It's an 80's Chrysler color, and I'll be shooting it on the upper and lower triples, the headlight mounts, and probably the rearsets too.
Exhaust bends are on the way, ordering HID kit this weekend, and I'm going to install a keyless RFID ignition to get around losing the provision on my upper clamp.
The can is a work in progress, I'm recycling endcaps and innards from a crashed titanium Arata can. The parts have to be reworked & resized to work with the different oval shape of the carbon sleeve I have. Both caps were convex. Because the inlet cap was out of shape, the easiest way to make it work was to hammer it flat.
[image: View Post]jeremy77, on 30 May 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:
What are you gonna do to keep the weld from rusting?
It's all stainless. It might discolor, but it shouldn't rust. The only pipe I could find at a reasonable cost was polished, believe it or not. The welds are smoothed out and I'm going to wire wheel everything for a uniform finish.
Can is almost done. Need to drill the rivet holes, emblem holes, pack it, and rivet it. Not sure yet if I'll make a hanger strap, or if I'll make a rivet-on tab that has a hang hole.
Used the scrap titanium from the original endcap rivet flanges to make new small rivet tabs. I cut a 1/2" section of carbon sleeve off my spare to use as a jig for setting the tabs.
Yesterday I made a small hanger from 6061 aluminum and turned up a small bushing out of the same. welded it all up and gave it a coat of ceramic paint.
[image: View Post]Flightar, on 14 July 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:
YoshiHNS, where did you get the Garbage Plates?
Rochester, NY. I went to college at RIT. Think at the beginning of the thread I explained it. I bought the bike for Seb in Cleveland, OH, and brought it to Rochester, where Seb picked it up at took it back home. Not sure if that was his first garbage plate or not. I know it wasn't his last.
We made some intake bots for one of the 500's by cutting a radiator hose of correct diameter on a miter saw....tight to slide on and no grooves to hold the clamps but they work well enough.
[image: View Post]MiniCarver, on 22 July 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:
We made some intake bots for one of the 500's by cutting a radiator hose of correct diameter on a miter saw....tight to slide on and no grooves to hold the clamps but they work well enough.
I will save Sebastian the typing - THAT aint gonna happen.
[image: View Post]timmythecop, on 22 July 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:
[image: View Post]MiniCarver, on 22 July 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:
We made some intake bots for one of the 500's by cutting a radiator hose of correct diameter on a miter saw....tight to slide on and no grooves to hold the clamps but they work well enough.
I will save Sebastian the typing - THAT aint gonna happen.
I did actually consider that. They should be lined with pipe to smooth the transition. Not sure yet what I'll actually do yet. Anyone have a spare Bandit 1200 motor?? lol
I found another rear wheel bearing issue so I will be tearing the rear apart this weekend to really dig in and find the root cause. I need this bike to be reliable before I take my VTEC into project mode.
Must be some sideloading on the bearings that are causing them to fail.
You'll need to measure your assembly stack, and probably special attention to the tube spacer between the wheel bearings, plus whatever spacer is between the LH wheel bearing and the outboard cush drive bearing.
Right. The wheel is fine, pretty sure it's the spacer on the hub side. And/or hammering the bearings in & out over the course of this project and the one before it that the wheels were used on.
Long story short, visiting with Seb and he says " I want you to take her out" . I thought I misheard him. "What" I said, standing about 80 feet from the location of the "event" that put the girl right back on to the work stand for another round of repairs. "I want to hear her go by" he says. Not one to miss an opportunity, I gladly oblige. Throw a leg over and off I go. I ask myself a question, easy does it, or let her rip, rip it is. Run it through the gears...nice pull! Turn around on the street and the steering lock stops me a bit sooner then expected,
No, I didn't tip it. Another rip through the gears and I romp past Seb so he can get an ear full. One more blast then a big grab of front brake and I wipe the water from my eyes from going too fast, did I mention, no helmet, I know stupid move but I didn't want to waste time getting one, he might change his mind. Holy crap, the front end and brakes felt rock solid, a little pulse, but rock solid. Adrenaline
well on the flow and one more bike checked off the " bikes I want to ride" list.
Glad you stopped by, and thanks for taking it down the road for me. Always nice to get a second opinion.
I swear that bike sounds REALLY loud when I'm riding it, but when it goes by on the road, the volume is about the same as most other I4's with a pipe. Not bad at all.
I got the bearing issue sorted out today and rode the bike for a bit. Still chuffed by how well it pulls once it's warmed up. I could do throttle roll-ons all day on it. :biggrin:
I was missing the spacer I had made to fit between the hub bearing and the left side wheel bearing.
When I fitted the VF500 hub, I removed the oem bearing which had an integrated spacer and replaced it with a 47x20x14 6204 double sealed bearing and an aluminum spacer. Leaving the spacer out just crunched the hub bearing. Had a spare bearing, so after swapping those and putting the spacer in I am good to go.