Motogp 2016 Season....with Spoilers

Contracts have been signed for 2016, but could they still be changed at this late date ? it seems there is an option in the contracts for Jorge and Yamaha to part company even now.

In a TV interview Yamaha MotoGP boss said "very disappointed in Jorge Lorenzo"

http://www.marca.com/en/2015/11/04/en/more_sports/1446667166.html

It would be brilliant if they did ask him to hop it, clear off !

Yamaha is more than happy to finish 1-2 and have won everything, Team Title, Manufacturers Title, World Rider's Title. Don't bet on them being angry with Jorge, they would have nightmares if he defected to Honda or even Suzuki. He'll stay and Rossi's pouting will blow away and next season will be great. They are already starting the year and MM is leading the timing so far. I'm interested in how Redding does on the Duc and Rabat does on Reddings Honda.

"When asked about Lorenzo's future in the team, given the option in his contract for the two parties to terminate it for 2016, the Italian's response was a cryptic one: "It's not the time to talk about Jorge's future. The future is now, on Sunday", he said.

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Lorenzo will stay with Yamaha. Another championship will depend on Pedrosa's health and Marquez's decision to finish a race for points vs win at all cost. The question is, what are the odds that Marquez rides smart and Pedrosa stays healthy all year?

MM uses his brain and everybody stays healthy:

1 MM

2 DP

3 JL

4 VR

MM doesn't use his brain and everybody stays healthy:

1 DP

2 JL

3 VR

4 MM

MM doesn't use his brain and Pedrosa deals with more injuries:

1 VR (another very close championship, but he will ride the Michelins better)

2 JL

3 MM

4 DP

There is the two people that matters ^^^^ . Meregalli can say what ever.

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The key word in the whole article is Italian's response(Meregalli).

Now who's drumming up a conspiracy theory.

I doubt they would let JL go because of his actions, but keep VR despite his actions.

YoshiHNS

Now who's drumming up a conspiracy theory.

I doubt they would let JL go because of his actions, but keep VR despite his actions.

I was thinking the same thing. Apart from his whining, he was the fastest rider most of the year. He also won the most races this year as well. Thanks Lorenzo...now get lost! (I don't think so)

Duc2V4

YoshiHNS

Now who's drumming up a conspiracy theory.

I doubt they would let JL go because of his actions, but keep VR despite his actions.

I was thinking the same thing. Apart from his whining, he was the fastest rider most of the year. He also won the most races this year as well. Thanks Lorenzo...now get lost! (I don't think so)

I wonder why Meregalli would be upset with Lorenzo, ah because he is Italian. Just the facts.

Yeah Lorenzo returns with Yamaha and Meregalli walks back his comments after the boss talks to him, just the facts.

Yamaha was testing the new tires today and afterward rode the bikes into the Tech3 garage. They only need a respray and are good to go for another season :biggrin:

MM was the fastest today on the new Honda

Meregalli's comments were made before the race--before the championship. Yamaha won't dump the champ. He might dump them, though, under the right circumstances...

Ciao,

JZH

Meregalli's comments were made before the race--before the championship. Yamaha won't dump the champ. He might dump them, though, under the right circumstances...

Ciao,

I think he would have to see some solid proof that the Duc will be good enough to compete for the championship without extra fuel, softer tires, etc. that they had this year. He would have to hate the Yamaha team more than he does VR to walk away from what's currently the best bike in MotoGP.

Lorenzo on a Suzuki would be very interesting. They are very close already.

timmythecop

Lorenzo on a Suzuki would be very interesting. They are very close already.

would be an interesting way to forge "his own" legacy

bayarearider

timmythecop

Lorenzo on a Suzuki would be very interesting. They are very close already.

would be an interesting way to forge "his own" legacy

If Lorenzo or Marquez want to inherit the GOAT moniker, they should both jump ship, strap on the Suzuki or Aprilia, and win the way Rossi did when he left Honda for Yamaha. It's too bad they didn't have the current team in place at Ducati when Rossi and Hayden moved over to them or they would likely have developed a world beating Duck by now. Rossi was still in his prime and would have the hat trick. (Hey Canucks, did I use the hockey term correctly?)

In th past few months Lorenzo has been spotted with Gigi, going in motorhomes, etc. Some believe he may be going to Ducati in 2017 as Lorenzo and Gigi got on well during Lorenzo's Aprilia 250cc days and they won championships together.

But today there is news that Stoner is quite unhappy at Honda because they didn't listen to him on development of the 2015 machine. Supposedly he is to switch back to Ducati as a test rider when his contract with Honda is over at the end of the year. Also included is some wildcard appearances for Ducati at certain rounds. He may be pondering a full return to the series if he does wild cards because wild cards would be a way to put your foot in the water and see if you still have it. Marquez has #1 status at Honda so Casey would have to play #2 no matter what. If Lorenzo has decided to stay at Yamaha then forget that. That leaves Ducati as the only major player. With Gigi there they are making steady progress back to winning ways. They would certainly give Stoner equal #1 status and would damn near kill to have Casey back in their bike. Casey slagged them off pretty good when he left but that's because the engineering folks wouldn't listen to him and they wouldn't listen to Burgess or Rossi either.

You couldn't make this stuff up. My gut tells me Stoner has money but perhaps not enough to last a lifetime so maybe that is a reason. Or maybe the break from the press and the circus is what he needed. Either way exciting news if he returns. I don't like the guy, never did, but would love to see him return and go against Lorenzo and Rossi again, and would love to see what happens with him and Marquez in a fight. If Stoner believes he is still the man then he'd want to race Marquez.

Just got mo' interesting......

I am also interested in the dog fight between Cal Crutchlow on the Honda and Bradley Smith on the Yamaha for top satellite teams. Watching todays practice its clear these two have each other in mind and have all season.

Does anyone know why Crutchlow had to start from pit lane in Valencia after qualifying on the second row. Was it some technical foul up and if so what was it?

I thought Stoner went fishing??? :-)

Crutch engine would not fire up to start the sigthing lap

I would love to see Stoner come back on any machine and be competitive. I'd love to see Suzuki, Ducati, and Aprilia be competitive too. And while we are at it, I'd like to see somebody from somewhere other than Spain be competitive. Nothing personal, I like you guys too.

luvtoleanit

In th past few months Lorenzo has been spotted with Gigi, going in motorhomes, etc. Some believe he may be going to Ducati in 2017 as Lorenzo and Gigi got on well during Lorenzo's Aprilia 250cc days and they won championships together.

But today there is news that Stoner is quite unhappy at Honda because they didn't listen to him on development of the 2015 machine. Supposedly he is to switch back to Ducati as a test rider when his contract with Honda is over at the end of the year. Also included is some wildcard appearances for Ducati at certain rounds. He may be pondering a full return to the series if he does wild cards because wild cards would be a way to put your foot in the water and see if you still have it. Marquez has #1 status at Honda so Casey would have to play #2 no matter what. If Lorenzo has decided to stay at Yamaha then forget that. That leaves Ducati as the only major player. With Gigi there they are making steady progress back to winning ways. They would certainly give Stoner equal #1 status and would damn near kill to have Casey back in their bike. Casey slagged them off pretty good when he left but that's because the engineering folks wouldn't listen to him and they wouldn't listen to Burgess or Rossi either.

You couldn't make this stuff up. My gut tells me Stoner has money but perhaps not enough to last a lifetime so maybe that is a reason. Or maybe the break from the press and the circus is what he needed. Either way exciting news if he returns. I don't like the guy, never did, but would love to see him return and go against Lorenzo and Rossi again, and would love to see what happens with him and Marquez in a fight. If Stoner believes he is still the man then he'd want to race Marquez.

Just got mo' interesting......

To me Casey and Jorge are in the same category, awesome riders but just a little bit bitchy! I would love to see him return though, even if it's as a wild card. Although it's hard, I like to separate the personality from the rider's capability and just appreciate their abilities on the track. Of course it is better when their personality is more likable and their riding is even better!

My wife has a problem with actors/actress', if she doesn't like their off screen persona, she can't watch a movie with them in it. I have the tendency too not pay too much attention to them when off screen, but sometimes they just seem to be too self absorbed and open their mouths too wide and often that it can be difficult to watch them on screen.

tbzep

I would love to see Stoner come back on any machine and be competitive. I'd love to see Suzuki, Ducati, and Aprilia be competitive too. And while we are at it, I'd like to see somebody from somewhere other than Spain be competitive. Nothing personal, I like you guys too.

I agree, I'm tired of hearing the Spanish national anthem! :goofy:

I wish more Americans were into motorcycle racing than they are into NASCAR! Maybe we would have a few more riders on the grid. My wife is dumbfounded by the appeal of NASCAR, she said this the other day, "Why would anyone want to watch cars drive around in a circle, motorcycle racing is much more exciting to watch!" Yep, she's a keeper!

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• MotoGP » Casey Stoner to test for Ducati?

  “[Casey Stoner’s] contract with Honda expires at the end of this year. Obviously if there is a chance to do something together we would love to do it...” [100]

• Read more at http://www.crash.net/#GIMQYUtiJ4hD0yH2.99

Here comes Casey !!!

Marc Marquez says he has no doubt Casey Stoner would be 'fast' should the Aussie return to MotoGP in 2016 as a test rider for Ducati.
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/comments/225072/1/e/0/marquez-stoner-ducati-speculation-interesting.html#e1oFEgMeothzBudS.99

Anyone find a good writeup of all the new regulations and technical changes? They are all on the same electronics/ecu? Tire mfg change. What else? Only read a bit about moto3.

YoshiHNS

Anyone find a good writeup of all the new regulations and technical changes? They are all on the same electronics/ecu? Tire mfg change. What else? Only read a bit about moto3.

Except Ducati they get to choose between two types of tires and more fuel .

luvtoleanit

In th past few months Lorenzo has been spotted with Gigi, going in motorhomes, etc. Some believe he may be going to Ducati in 2017 as Lorenzo and Gigi got on well during Lorenzo's Aprilia 250cc days and they won championships together.

But today there is news that Stoner is quite unhappy at Honda because they didn't listen to him on development of the 2015 machine. Supposedly he is to switch back to Ducati as a test rider when his contract with Honda is over at the end of the year. Also included is some wildcard appearances for Ducati at certain rounds. He may be pondering a full return to the series if he does wild cards because wild cards would be a way to put your foot in the water and see if you still have it. Marquez has #1 status at Honda so Casey would have to play #2 no matter what. If Lorenzo has decided to stay at Yamaha then forget that. That leaves Ducati as the only major player. With Gigi there they are making steady progress back to winning ways. They would certainly give Stoner equal #1 status and would damn near kill to have Casey back in their bike. Casey slagged them off pretty good when he left but that's because the engineering folks wouldn't listen to him and they wouldn't listen to Burgess or Rossi either.

You couldn't make this stuff up. My gut tells me Stoner has money but perhaps not enough to last a lifetime so maybe that is a reason. Or maybe the break from the press and the circus is what he needed. Either way exciting news if he returns. I don't like the guy, never did, but would love to see him return and go against Lorenzo and Rossi again, and would love to see what happens with him and Marquez in a fight. If Stoner believes he is still the man then he'd want to race Marquez.

Just got mo' interesting......

He rode the suzuka 8 hr recently for Honda - was doing really well until the brake MC turned to crap and he crashed really badly, breaking his leg. I'm sure you could find a youtube of it somewhere.

He raced V8 supercars for a while in Aus but wasn't as good at that as he was on a bike.

Stoner was as fast as anyone in MotoGP, but never really cultivated the cult of personality that others find so easy. He seemed to come across as really abrasive, but i think he really didn't enjoy the circus. I can be abrasive when i'm not enjoying something, too.

I thought it was the throttle that got stuck open which caused Stoner to crash.

YoshiHNS

Anyone find a good writeup of all the new regulations and technical changes? They are all on the same electronics/ecu? Tire mfg change. What else? Only read a bit about moto3.

From motomatters.com...

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/11/2015_valencia_post_race_tuesday_round_up.html

...the Open category disappears in 2016, with MotoGP just a single class again. Ducati, Honda and Yamaha are all running under the same rules – 22 liters of fuel, spec electronics, seven engines a season, limited testing, and engine development frozen. As factories which have yet to accumulate sufficient podiums, Aprilia and Suzuki will have unlimited testing and 12 engines a season, and the same fuel and electronics as Honda, Yamaha and Ducati. Tire allocations are identical for all of the factories, with a choice of two tire compounds at each race....

and this on the unified software...

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/09/08/everything_you_wanted_to_know_about_moto.html

I prefer Stoner to Marquez.

Stoner won a World Title on a Ducati - very cool.

Apart from his riding ability Stoner always talked a good fight as well. I felt you could learn something by listening to him, his race analysis. Honda probably got more useful feedback from Stoner than they do from Marquez, granted that is just speculation on my part.

I do not know how much influence the sponsors have on the teams. Two Spanish riders on the Repsol Honda team, coincidence ? hmm.

Maybe Honda feel that they can sell bikes all over the world, and the nationality of the riders and sponsors do not matter. Perhaps that was the case, but now the cat is out of the bag, or at least suspicions have been raised because of 2015 season. So Honda had better be careful otherwise their reputation will suffer.

So come on Stoner, get back in there. And glad the same rules will apply to all the bikes in the same race.

hotshoerob

YoshiHNS

Anyone find a good writeup of all the new regulations and technical changes? They are all on the same electronics/ecu? Tire mfg change. What else? Only read a bit about moto3.

From motomatters.com...

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/11/11/2015_valencia_post_race_tuesday_round_up.html

...the Open category disappears in 2016, with MotoGP just a single class again. Ducati, Honda and Yamaha are all running under the same rules – 22 liters of fuel, spec electronics, seven engines a season, limited testing, and engine development frozen. As factories which have yet to accumulate sufficient podiums, Aprilia and Suzuki will have unlimited testing and 12 engines a season, and the same fuel and electronics as Honda, Yamaha and Ducati. Tire allocations are identical for all of the factories, with a choice of two tire compounds at each race....

and this on the unified software...

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/09/08/everything_you_wanted_to_know_about_moto.html

Thanks for that link.

So what they're saying is each Honda/Yamaha/Ducati/Suzuki rider will have the same bike as any other rider of the same make? The only difference will be down to setup?

Can someone confirm this or is it more compicated than that?

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YoshiHNS

Anyone find a good writeup of all the new regulations and technical changes? They are all on the same electronics/ecu? Tire mfg change. What else? Only read a bit about moto3.

Except Ducati they get to choose between two types of tires and more fuel .

I still think Ducati gets some kind of waiver or concessions from Dorna .

Here is the article I read and it looks like to me Ducati can still get concessions.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/2016-motogp-rules-clarified7-engines22-liters157kgconcession-points-performance-balancing-introduced/

YoshiHNS

I thought it was the throttle that got stuck open which caused Stoner to crash.

:1: I thought I read the same thing......and it was confirmed by the electronic data.

wera803

YoshiHNS

I thought it was the throttle that got stuck open which caused Stoner to crash.

:1: I thought I read the same thing......and it was confirmed by the electronic data.

It also messed(reinjured) his back .

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Here is the article I read and it looks like to me Ducati can still get concessions.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/2016-motogp-rules-clarified7-engines22-liters157kgconcession-points-performance-balancing-introduced/

No it's over.

luvtoleanit

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Here is the article I read and it looks like to me Ducati can still get concessions.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/2016-motogp-rules-clarified7-engines22-liters157kgconcession-points-performance-balancing-introduced/

No it's over.

Thanks .

wera803

YoshiHNS

I thought it was the throttle that got stuck open which caused Stoner to crash.

:1: I thought I read the same thing......and it was confirmed by the electronic data.

Yep, I was just going off memory, but going off google, throttle.

Stoner should come back. Let's see if his talent still matches his ambition...

Ciao,

JZH

Stoner should come back. Let's see if his talent still matches his ambition...

Ciao,

One thing for sure he will not put up with Rossi's BS.

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JZH

Stoner should come back. Let's see if his talent still matches his ambition...

Ciao,

One thing for sure he will not put up with Rossi's BS.

I doubt he'd be too keen on MM's approach to racing either!

RoystonRocket2

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JZH

Stoner should come back. Let's see if his talent still matches his ambition...

Ciao,

One thing for sure he will not put up with Rossi's BS.

I doubt he'd be too keen on MM's approach to racing either!

Time will tell .

Look out....Tito Rabbat just hops on a MotoGP bike and is one second off the pace. He says it is difficult to get used to the electronics (none on a Moto2 bike). Good to see some new guys able to step up. I am watching Efren Vasquez closely. I predict him to be a contender in a year or 2.

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JZH

Stoner should come back. Let's see if his talent still matches his ambition...

Ciao,

One thing for sure he will not put up with Rossi's BS.

He's not known as "Casey Moaner" for nothin'!

Ciao,

Tickets not on sale yet, but looking at maybe Mugello GP which is on 22 May. It seems you have to get in quick to get the best tickets !

Provisional calendar published on the MotoGP website: motogp.com

JZH

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JZH

Stoner should come back. Let's see if his talent still matches his ambition...

Ciao,

One thing for sure he will not put up with Rossi's BS.

He's not known as "Casey Moaner" for nothin'!

Ciao,

May be he can out moan Rossi .

I was reading that the current TV arrangements were causing concern for some sponsors, because I believe Dorna sells exclusive TV rights for coverage of MotoGP.

This means that sponsors pay a lot of money to advertise to a small exclusive audience.

Could this be why we have seen Suzuki has no major sponsor other than its own brand of motor oils ECSTAR ?

Aleix Espargaro, Assen TT 2015

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Hope not .

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225250/1/suzuki-gives-glimpse-of-2016-gsxrr.html

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^^

There does not appear to be much difference from last (2015) season.

Motul have been involved with Suzuki for many many years. Michelin, has replaced Bridgestone as tyre provider for the series. And Suzuki's own brand of motor oil will be their Title Sponsor.

Maybe there is just more value in advertising themselves, rather than accepting a few $$$ to advertise someone else. I notice that the bikes in World Superbikes seem to be covered in sponsorship adverts.

Mattie660

^^

There does not appear to be much difference from last (2015) season.

Motul have been involved with Suzuki for many many years. Michelin, has replaced Bridgestone as tyre provider for the series. And Suzuki's own brand of motor oil will be their Title Sponsor.

Maybe there is just more value in advertising themselves, rather than accepting a few $$$ to advertise someone else. I notice that the bikes in World Superbikes seem to be covered in sponsorship adverts.

No dude they completely change the bike from 2015 to 2016.

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Mattie660

^^

There does not appear to be much difference from last (2015) season.

Motul have been involved with Suzuki for many many years. Michelin, has replaced Bridgestone as tyre provider for the series. And Suzuki's own brand of motor oil will be their Title Sponsor.

Maybe there is just more value in advertising themselves, rather than accepting a few $$$ to advertise someone else. I notice that the bikes in World Superbikes seem to be covered in sponsorship adverts.

No dude they completely change the bike from 2015 to 2016.

Talking about sponsorship, not performance. My argument that it is difficult to raise sponsorship because Dorna is controlling tightly the TV rights. My argument is that this means sponsors do not get the exposure that they want, and so are not prepared to pay the high price, just to advertise to a smaller audience.

I used Suzuki as the example, to show they had few sponsors, and the sponsors for 2016 are more or less the same as 2015.

It follows that if sponsorship money is difficult to get, then big sponsors will have more of a say in what goes on in the team. This is my whole argument.

The factory Yamaha team went quite a few seasons with no major sponsor. I don't think it's specifically the Dorna/tv rights situation that makes it hard to find big sponsors, but more the fact that MotoGP, and motorcycle racing in general, is a relatively minor player on the world stage. It's very important to us, but 98% of the population isn't all that interested...

And on major sponsors being unduly involved in the running of the team - yep, that happens for sure. Repsol has massive influence over who HRC will put on the factory Hondas - there must be at least one Spanish rider. And fair enough, Repsol is a Spanish company. Phillip Morris had a lot to do with Casey Stoner leaving Ducati, due to how they treated him before he was diagnosed with lactose intolerance.

The reasons there aren't more sponsors is due to cost and cost alone. There is nothing else to it. Bike mfr's spend their own money to race and will not allow another brand to put their logo all over their merchandise unless it's serious money. Say Coca Cola calls HRC and wants to be their main sponsor. Well that is well into seven figures for the privilege. Coca Cola says "too much" we'll give you one million. HRC then tells them to pound sand. That isn't even covering the tip on their bill for a full racing season. Honda spends almost twice as much as the next mfr, Yamaha, supposedly 50-60 million per year for HRC. You want to be their main sponsor then you are going to pay well for it. If you don't then tough tattays.

Suzuki doesn't have a title sponsor because their bike doesn't run at the front. Once that thing can get on some podiums regularly, you'll see decals magically appear.

MCN - "Stoner set for sensational MotoGP return...with Ducati"

Big picture article of Casey's return to MotoGP, as a test rider and wildcard entry.

"Having Stoner involved will no doubt accelerate that development programme even further by putting one of the sharpest racing brains on the planet in the heart of their team."

MCN - Nov 18 2015 Page 66.

Honda can have Marquez, and good luck with all the falling off, and Ducati get Stoner.

Best of luck to Ducati and Stoner for 2016.

Mattie660

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Mattie660

^^

There does not appear to be much difference from last (2015) season.

Motul have been involved with Suzuki for many many years. Michelin, has replaced Bridgestone as tyre provider for the series. And Suzuki's own brand of motor oil will be their Title Sponsor.

Maybe there is just more value in advertising themselves, rather than accepting a few $$$ to advertise someone else. I notice that the bikes in World Superbikes seem to be covered in sponsorship adverts.

No dude they completely change the bike from 2015 to 2016.

Talking about sponsorship, not performance. My argument that it is difficult to raise sponsorship because Dorna is controlling tightly the TV rights. My argument is that this means sponsors do not get the exposure that they want, and so are not prepared to pay the high price, just to advertise to a smaller audience.

I used Suzuki as the example, to show they had few sponsors, and the sponsors for 2016 are more or less the same as 2015.

It follows that if sponsorship money is difficult to get, then big sponsors will have more of a say in what goes on in the team. This is my whole argument.

Oh 10 4..

Mattie660

MCN - "Stoner set for sensational MotoGP return...with Ducati"

Big picture article of Casey's return to MotoGP, as a test rider and wildcard entry.

"Having Stoner involved will no doubt accelerate that development programme even further by putting one of the sharpest racing brains on the planet in the heart of their team."

MCN - Nov 18 2015 Page 66.

Honda can have Marquez, and good luck with all the falling off, and Ducati get Stoner.

Best of luck to Ducati and Stoner for 2016.

+1 always like Casey.

Update !!!

Retired MotoGP champion Casey Stoner will return to Ducati as a 'brand ambassador and test rider'.
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225374/1/official-casey-stoner-returns-to-ducati.html#h7tY6M0LjGH2ZXXR.99

Not as exciting as actually racing. But maybe for 2017, after a year of test riding and getting to develop and learn the bike again, he could replace Dovi if they don't bring someone else up from the ranks.

YoshiHNS

Not as exciting as actually racing. But maybe for 2017, after a year of test riding and getting to develop and learn the bike again, he could replace Dovi if they don't bring someone else up from the ranks.

I think your right , I wonder if there worried about Casey back holding up.

For the MM lovers....

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$8.99 on Ebay .

For you Rossi lovers .

Dutchy

For the MM lovers....

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Excuse me, have you got the time - er, yes it is 93 :laughing6-hehe:

No, I mean what is the time by your watch ? - yes, 93

Thanks.

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$8.99 on Ebay .

For you Rossi lovers .

What is it with you and Rossi? Geez man, almost childlike. I understand liking Honda but no need to put the tramp stamp on.

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This "Pedrosa" watch is pricy at over €18k. Of course this being a Pedrosa watch that does not include tax :laugh:

luvtoleanit

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$8.99 on Ebay .

For you Rossi lovers .

What is it with you and Rossi? Geez man, almost childlike. I understand liking Honda but no need to put the tramp stamp on.

? What is it with you and what I write , if you don't like it don't read it .

V4 Rosso

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This "Pedrosa" watch is pricy at over €18k. Of course this being a Pedrosa watch that does not include tax :laugh:

Wow what a machine !

V4 Rosso

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This "Pedrosa" watch is pricy at over €18k. Of course this being a Pedrosa watch that does not include tax :laugh:

Not just Pedrosa even "The Doctor" was not paying taxes .

http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/pedrosa-appears-on-spain-s-tax-debtor-list-664690/?s=1

Non-US citizens are taxed based on where they live, and where they live is usually determined based on where they spend 180 or more days per year. The rules in this area are complex, or one so inclined could obviously divide his time between three residences and (in theory) be a resident nowhere for tax purposes...so, there are additional rules to determine tax residence even where someone spends less than 180 days in a particular country. These sometimes depend on historical ties, family presence or property ownership. Given the complexity of MotoGP and WSB racers' working lives, and the big scalps they represent for their home countries' tax collectors, it is unsurprising that the likes of Pedrosa, Rossi and Biaggi are embroiled in such disputes with the tax authorities in their respective countries. US citizens are simply taxed based on their US citizenship, which is simpler, but not always fairer (said as an American who has not lived in the USA for almost 20 years...)

Ciao,

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T-race oh yeah !!

JZH

Non-US citizens are taxed based on where they live, and where they live is usually determined based on where they spend 180 or more days per year. The rules in this area are complex, or one so inclined could obviously divide his time between three residences and (in theory) be a resident nowhere for tax purposes...so, there are additional rules to determine tax residence even where someone spends less than 180 days in a particular country. These sometimes depend on historical ties, family presence or property ownership. Given the complexity of MotoGP and WSB racers' working lives, and the big scalps they represent for their home countries' tax collectors, it is unsurprising that the likes of Pedrosa, Rossi and Biaggi are embroiled in such disputes with the tax authorities in their respective countries. US citizens are simply taxed based on their US citizenship, which is simpler, but not always fairer (said as an American who has not lived in the USA for almost 20 years...)

Ciao,

Many international sports stars reside in Monaco for tax purposes (no income tax :)

In the 90's, while on an UK payrol and a UK resident but working globally, I made sure to be less than 60 days per annum on UK soil. (the rules were a bit more compkex). Thus exempt from taxation. Not sure if this would still apply.

MC content?

4 years no tax allowed me to buy redslut cash... :-)

There's nothing more enjoyable than a race thread. The fanboys draw their lines and get to it with such gusto. As for the upcoming year, it's hard to imagine any of the newcomers making a dent in the domination of the established championship contenders. There's a reason the cohort of Lorenzo, Marquez, Rossi, and Pedrosa garner the wages they do from the manufacturers and sponsors, as well as the fact that despite what so many outsiders see as "reasons" to summarily dismiss them for another, no such action is ever contemplated. Riders capable of winning every single time they grid up, much less legitimately having what it takes to contend, year in and year out, for the championship are far too rare a commodity at the MotoGP level.

Dach, I reckon we'll see some more progress by Iannone next year, but he might be about it as far as title/racewin contention goes.

I'm hoping Miller, Smith and the Suzuki boys all find some speed in 2016 as well, to liven up the midfield.

He did add a nice measure of fun to that finale, let's see if it is something he can bring to a full and grueling season. Given Suzuki's history, I'm not holding my breath that they'll be a factor, and it ain't like Kevin Schwantz is walking through that door to over-ride it to make it look competitive.

Seen in supermarket in Luxemburg.

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Rush2112

JZH

Non-US citizens are taxed based on where they live, and where they live is usually determined based on where they spend 180 or more days per year. The rules in this area are complex, or one so inclined could obviously divide his time between three residences and (in theory) be a resident nowhere for tax purposes...so, there are additional rules to determine tax residence even where someone spends less than 180 days in a particular country. These sometimes depend on historical ties, family presence or property ownership. Given the complexity of MotoGP and WSB racers' working lives, and the big scalps they represent for their home countries' tax collectors, it is unsurprising that the likes of Pedrosa, Rossi and Biaggi are embroiled in such disputes with the tax authorities in their respective countries. US citizens are simply taxed based on their US citizenship, which is simpler, but not always fairer (said as an American who has not lived in the USA for almost 20 years...)

Ciao,

Many international sports stars reside in Monoco for tax purposes (no income tax :)

I think the problem is they claim to have multiple residents but spend most there time in Italy therefore Italy claim is that it is there primary residents regardless of there citizenship .

Switchblade

Rush2112

JZH

Non-US citizens are taxed based on where they live, and where they live is usually determined based on where they spend 180 or more days per year. The rules in this area are complex, or one so inclined could obviously divide his time between three residences and (in theory) be a resident nowhere for tax purposes...so, there are additional rules to determine tax residence even where someone spends less than 180 days in a particular country. These sometimes depend on historical ties, family presence or property ownership. Given the complexity of MotoGP and WSB racers' working lives, and the big scalps they represent for their home countries' tax collectors, it is unsurprising that the likes of Pedrosa, Rossi and Biaggi are embroiled in such disputes with the tax authorities in their respective countries. US citizens are simply taxed based on their US citizenship, which is simpler, but not always fairer (said as an American who has not lived in the USA for almost 20 years...)

Ciao,

Many international sports stars reside in Monoco for tax purposes (no income tax :)

I think the problem is they claim to have multiple residents but spend most there time in Italy therefore Italy claim is that it is there primary residents regardless of there citizenship .

Exactly. They claim one thing, but do not abide by the requirements (allegedly). Rossi famously claimed to be a London resident, but his English strangely never improved... But in the EU these days, where there are no border controls within the Schengen area, proving exactly where someone has been living has become challenging. The Isle of Man is a popular residence for UK racers (who are used to crap weather!), Andorra another, as well as the aforementioned Monaco (which does/did claim Capirossi, Corser and Bayliss as residents, I believe). Oh, well. Rich racer problems!

Ciao,

Rossi settled to pay some 26mio out of 83mio he was supposed to have paid; thus getting a 68.7% discount if you like.

The year following that settlement, some Italians with the same family name unsuccessfully applied that % discount to their tax bill.... :goofy:

V4 Rosso

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This "Pedrosa" watch is pricy at over €18k. Of course this being a Pedrosa watch that does not include tax :laugh:

Walk into jewellery store:

I would like to buy a fine watch

. Would you like to look at Rolex, or Breitling perhaps ?

No, I want to look at the range of CVSTOSS watches please

. CVSTOS ?

Yes, particularly the ugly one with somebody else's name on it - has to be bright horrible colour, and be almost useless for telling the time - oh, and nothing under fifteen big ones.

. CVSTOS ?

Yes.

:laughing6-hehe:

(some things just make me laugh !)

Mattie660

V4 Rosso

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This "Pedrosa" watch is pricy at over €18k. Of course this being a Pedrosa watch that does not include tax :laugh:

Walk into jewellery store:

I would like to buy a fine watch

. Would you like to look at Rolex, or Breitling perhaps ?

No, I want to look at the range of CVSTOSS watches please

. CVSTOS ?

Yes, particularly the ugly one with somebody else's name on it - has to be bright horrible colour, and be almost useless for telling the time - oh, and nothing under fifteen big ones.

. CVSTOS ?

Yes.

:laughing6-hehe:

(some things just make me laugh !)

I bet the jewelry store employee ran and thought your were gonna sidekick him off the track or should I say floor. :unsure:

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The Everley Brothers?

The Phantom

The Everley Brothers?

Close ..

The Crankies?

Skids

The Crankies?

I don't think many here will get that ;-)

RoystonRocket2

Skids

The Crankies?

I don't think many here will get that ;-)

No idea.

Dutchy

Seen in supermarket in Luxemburg.

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My son and I tried our can, 1st time trying this Monster stuff..

well, it delivers what it is called...... monstrously vile stuff!!! :pissed:

50 grams of sugar in a single can... F M G!!!!

I will stick to that other "medicinal" beverage (Laphroaig) thank you!

RoystonRocket2

Skids

The Crankies?

I don't think many here will get that ;-)

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I was doing just fine, wallowing in ignorance!

Ciao,

Will this drama go on...?

http://www.sportal.co.nz/motorsport/news/marc-marquez-fans-to-skip-mugello-due-to-safety-concerns/71fd0e436y6g1vwjzfmp15u5b

bayarearider

Will this drama go on...?

http://www.sportal.co.nz/motorsport/news/marc-marquez-fans-to-skip-mugello-due-to-safety-concerns/71fd0e436y6g1vwjzfmp15u5b

I can't believe VR hasn't come to his senses & defused the tension, no flame war so not going to state who's the most to blame, it would be good for the sport if they both sucked some eggs & did what is good for the sport not themselves. I was hoping VR would spit the dummy more & leave motogp as I'm sick of his & his fans crap.

As I'm AUS Stoner has my loyalty & honestly sick of reading about people complaining he isn't a PR machine, his livelihood was racing bikes, not making people happy because he can act like a clown off the bike. He was not impressed with Honda because they wouldn't let him fill in for botboy when injured & felt they didn't utilize him enough at testing, again honesty not PR propaganda. Like everybody who wants to watch racing it would be great for him to come back & there is a good chance he will do some races with duc (if they let him) if he was keen to do some with Honda when botboy injured.

It will be an interesting season with the changes happening.

zRoYz

bayarearider

Will this drama go on...?

http://www.sportal.co.nz/motorsport/news/marc-marquez-fans-to-skip-mugello-due-to-safety-concerns/71fd0e436y6g1vwjzfmp15u5b

I can't believe VR hasn't come to his senses & defused the tension, no flame war so not going to state who's the most to blame, it would be good for the sport if they both sucked some eggs & did what is good for the sport not themselves. I was hoping VR would spit the dummy more & leave motogp as I'm sick of his & his fans crap.

As I'm AUS Stoner has my loyalty & honestly sick of reading about people complaining he isn't a PR machine, his livelihood was racing bikes, not making people happy because he can act like a clown off the bike. He was not impressed with Honda because they wouldn't let him fill in for botboy when injured & felt they didn't utilize him enough at testing, again honesty not PR propaganda. Like everybody who wants to watch racing it would be great for him to come back & there is a good chance he will do some races with duc (if they let him) if he was keen to do some with Honda when botboy injured.

It will be an interesting season with the changes happening.

S'ok, I think we figured it out for ourselves! :goofy: :wink: :beer:

That will teach you to kick my front brake lever .

Well the bitterness between the two, is going to carry on throughout the 2016 season, lets just hope neither of them gets hurt, but it is looking more than likely that one or both will.

hvfrdave

Well the bitterness between the two, is going to carry on throughout the 2016 season, lets just hope neither of them gets hurt, but it is looking more than likely that one or both will.

Reports are Rossi has to perform well in the first races to kept his contract with Yamaha .

Switchblade

hvfrdave

Well the bitterness between the two, is going to carry on throughout the 2016 season, lets just hope neither of them gets hurt, but it is looking more than likely that one or both will.

Reports are Rossi has to perform well in the first races to kept his contract with Yamaha .

Reports where? Hell will almost certainly freeze over before Yamaha sacks the most popular and successful MotoGP rider the sport has ever seen. Besides, such a provision would have to have been included in his contract--I can see no reason why Rossi would have agreed to such a clause in his second Yamaha-comeback contract (probably negotiated during a season in which he eventually finished second in the championship). Marquez is going to have to pay to break his contract with VR46, as would Yamaha if they broke theirs with Rossi--but you can bet that the latter would cost a lot more than the former!

As an aside, I was about to order the latest Motocourse annual on Amazon.co.uk, when I noticed this:

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I think that must have been the "pre-publication" pic... The actual (unfortunately!) cover is here:

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:happy:

Ciao,

Switchblade

hvfrdave

Well the bitterness between the two, is going to carry on throughout the 2016 season, lets just hope neither of them gets hurt, but it is looking more than likely that one or both will.

Reports are Rossi has to perform well in the first races to kept his contract with Yamaha .

Reports from whom?

Rossi and his legion are 30% of the MotoGP pie from a monetary standpoint and Dorna will continue to kiss his azz until VR decides to hang it up.

Edit: I should have read one additional post before my reply but I agree 100% with Jezzer.

I forget. What place did Marc finish last season? I know Jorge won the championship and Rossi won 2nd. Pedrosa looked more competitive than Marc in the last race in spite of Marc supposedly trying to win that race. I get so confused when I read anti Rossi diatribes. I will try harder to understand what Marquez and Lorenzo fans see in their champions. I would love to see Stoner come back and be competitive but I think that ship has sailed. Quitters get better at one thing and that is quitting. I hope I am wrong though. I am really looking forward to seeing how next season pans out. I read every post here and came up with bupkiss. :goofy: Cheers

hvfrdave

Well the bitterness between the two, is going to carry on throughout the 2016 season,

Some behind scenes info...

https://motomatters.com/opinion/2016/01/24/opinion_why_the_rossi_vs_marquez_controv.html

VFR Capt.Bob

I forget. What place did Marc finish last season? I know Jorge won the championship and Rossi won 2nd. Pedrosa looked more competitive than Marc in the last race in spite of Marc supposedly trying to win that race. I get so confused when I read anti Rossi diatribes. I will try harder to understand what Marquez and Lorenzo fans see in their champions. I would love to see Stoner come back and be competitive but I think that ship has sailed. Quitters get better at one thing and that is quitting. I hope I am wrong though. I am really looking forward to seeing how next season pans out. I read every post here and came up with bupkiss. :goofy: Cheers

I believe the technical term for Stoner's exit from the MotoGP championship at the end of 2012 was "flouncing"... :wink:

Another angle on the MM93/VR46 contract story could be that the management of the VR46 merchandising operation (which, I understand is undertaken by senior members of the VR46 Fan Club) has repudiated their contract by indicating in some way that they would not be fulfilling the terms of the contract in the future. Absent a signed letter from VR46 management stating as much, however, it is not easy to prove this. MM93 trying this tactic in a highly charged commercial context like the MM93/VR46 war would basically amount to a full-employment agreement with his lawyers... :wacko:

Ciao,

JZH

VFR Capt.Bob

I forget. What place did Marc finish last season? I know Jorge won the championship and Rossi won 2nd. Pedrosa looked more competitive than Marc in the last race in spite of Marc supposedly trying to win that race. I get so confused when I read anti Rossi diatribes. I will try harder to understand what Marquez and Lorenzo fans see in their champions. I would love to see Stoner come back and be competitive but I think that ship has sailed. Quitters get better at one thing and that is quitting. I hope I am wrong though. I am really looking forward to seeing how next season pans out. I read every post here and came up with bupkiss. :goofy: Cheers

I believe the technical term for Stoner's exit from the MotoGP championship at the end of 2012 was "flouncing"... :wink:

Another angle on the MM93/VR46 contract story could be that the management of the VR46 merchandising operation (which, I understand is undertaken by senior members of the VR46 Fan Club) has repudiated their contract by indicating in some way that they would not be fulfilling the terms of the contract in the future. Absent a signed letter from VR46 management stating as much, however, it is not easy to prove this. MM93 trying this tactic in a highly charged commercial context like the MM93/VR46 war would basically amount to a full-employment agreement with his lawyers... :wacko:

Ciao,

Or maybe he could not deal a with a person who would kick his front brake lever and cause him to crash out of a MotoGP race . Makes more sense to most logical people . :unsure: ​

But even he must know by now that isn't actually what happened? :wink:

Ciao,

Quite the shame that Rossi is starting from waaay back...not.  Impressed that Marquez is still pushing so hard with title wrapped.  The guy is unbelievable!

We already had King Carl and now...

KING CAL!!!!!!

11 hours ago, indianagenius

Quite the shame that Rossi is starting from waaay back...not.  Impressed that Marquez is still pushing so hard with title wrapped.  The guy is unbelievable!

Obviously, winning the race from that starting position will be a very tough task with Marc on pole, but Rossi's only three places behind Lorenzo, who is his only remaining rival in the championship... 

OTOH, didn't Rossi once win at Phillip Island after a ride-through penalty or something?  Yeah, that was then.  Not now.

Ciao,

He wasn't far from it.

Does anyone know if a PS4 or Xbox One will allow you to record races if you stream them through BeIN/fubo.tv?

What an excellent race.

First Brit to win 2 races in a season since Barry Sheene in 1979 and the first Brit to win in Australia in a major class, ever!

He was closing on MM, pressure which caused MM to fold the front under braking on a hard tyre in cold conditions???

Finally, a dry race, no excuses and he won!

Redding beat Petrucci too and Bradley Smith stole 8th over the line despite being barely-walking wounded so a great day to be a British race fan!

Cal Crutchlow..........Legend!

Great day for the Brits indeed. Well done Crutchlow.

Marquez simply made a mistake - he missed his braking marker into Turn 4 but still tried to tip it in (his words). He should have run on into the slip road and gone back onto the track, although with the form Crutchlow had I think Marquez would have had to work for the win.

Great work by Mike Jones - two MotoGP races including one on a track he's never seen, no damage to the bike, and one MotoGP world championship point in the record books for all time - fantastic result for a complete rookie!

..........................................................,..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Simple mistakes have cost plenty of races. Always a shame when you crash out of a big lead (even though I'm not a Marquez fan), but one mistake is all it takes.

Good thing the factory bike wasn't offered to Crutchlow, his result might not have been as good working with a new team and his own team would not have had their victory.

With this new layout of the forum, the first few lines of a post will show up under the thread topic header. At least when using the "expanded" mode setting, so even if the thread title has the spoiler alert, if the first few lines are the spoiler, then anybody browsing the forum may still see the spoiler, without clicking the actual thread topic!

With that out of the way, looks like Crutchlow didn't need Dani's bike after all! Hayden seemed to be doing fine for a while, even topped the times in one of the FP's but then weather took her turn. He was battling it out with Miller and the others in that group and held his own for a while but he and Miller I believe touched and he ended up crashing and ended up outside the points. Still a good run for him IMO.

(Agree about the thead preview/spolier potential!)

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Well done--Crutchlow is finally showing what he can do on a factory Honda.  Few other people can legitimately claim to have pushed Marquez into making a mistake! 

Phillip Island sure delivered some racing this year.  (And some freaky weather, of course.  Only the traditional bird strike was missing.) 

And to wrap up the Rossi/Lorenzo battle, with Jorge's unusual difficulties during the (dry) race leaving him in sixth, the point difference now stands at 24--meaning that if Rossi finishes ahead of Lorenzo in Malaysia, Jorge cannot take second from Rossi even if he wins the last race of the season.  Which would leave the old GOAT second in MotoGP for the third year in a row.  "First Loser", as they say, but not a bad streak for a member of the "senior team"!

Ciao,

Interesting race.

What I've been saying all season is that the only person that can beat Marc is Marc.

Putting Hayden out on Dani's ride was the right thing to do rather than steal a rider from a Satellite team. Its a bummer his race ended with that encounter with Jackass Miller.

All else being said I'm looking forward to someone eventually coming to the premiere class with the skills and hardware to challenge Marquez. 

4 hours ago, lazyeye

Interesting race.

What I've been saying all season is that the only person that can beat Marc is Marc.

Putting Hayden out on Dani's ride was the right thing to do rather than steal a rider from a Satellite team. Its a bummer his race ended with that encounter with Jackass Miller.

All else being said I'm looking forward to someone eventually coming to the premiere class with the skills and hardware to challenge Marquez. 

I have a feeling that Vinales will be better performing on the Yamaha. Might take a few races for him to get use to it but I think he has the talent. Good thing Miller and Hayden are friends. Then again, maybe they "were" friends up until the incident!  :wink:

Spent raceday at Siberia. Mostly indoors Friday Saturday. Did get to The Nobbies and Cowes.

Marc beat Marc and a deserved win for Cal.

Spot on in the post race interview about the changing temps.

Some pics... Saw about 14 VFRs

Think I'll visit Sepang next year

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Terrific pics, Rob!

JZH, 24-10-2016 at 10:29 AM

 Only the traditional bird strike was missing.) 

Maybe the gulls changed tactics and shitted on some strategic spots shortly before the race. It looked to have worked in Moto3.

A weather-impacted Malaysian GP with some surprising performances.

Disappointed with the Brits, except Bradley who continues to improve as he recovers.

A 9th winner this year.....what a season!

Great racing today! I'm glad I got to witness this season as it sure made up for last year! Also got to see some record setting events. Looks like I'll be keeping my subscription again for next year and looking forward to the final race in Valencia.

And see TWO Johan Zarco's doing a back flip was amazing!!!!   :beer:

(look carefully!)

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Well, there were two Rossis, too!

Ciao,

Go Kallio! Go KTM!!!

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That would be something.... Winning Valencia....

Maybe "the big one" will take a week off from NASCAR and give them a real chance.

Switchblade, 11/10/2015 at 9:55 AM

"When asked about Lorenzo's future in the team, given the option in his contract for the two parties to terminate it for 2016, the Italian's response was a cryptic one: "It's not the time to talk about Jorge's future. The future is now, on Sunday", he said.

Read more:Yamaha boss: "It's not time to talk about Jorge's future" - MARCA.com (English version)   The key word in the whole article is Italian's response(Meregalli).

Congrats to MM and his future MotoGP Championships  !!!

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