I don't know if this is unusual but my right foot peg bracket gets like a hotplate on the freeway. I've already had to re-glue my Alpinstar heel once. Could this be a result of a lean fueling condition from the race Jardine slip-on I put on in the past? Or is it the usuall for this VFR?
I'm having the same issue with my TBR high mount pipe, if it is the exhaust pipe. Was thinking about getting a Thurn CF heat plate, there's probably cheaper options around, easy enough to make also from some AL. http://www.thurn-motorsport.de/98-WASSW0.jpg
rangerscott69, Oct 24 2007, 09:47 PMMy '01 gets hotter on the right side than the left. Not sure if the foot peg gets super hot. The rubber on the peg and on my boots are fine.
I have low mount exhuast.
The pipe is a low mount a well. Today when I got home I took note of where my inside ankle contacts the bike and it is right where it is supposed to. There is heel gaurd that is part of the foot peg bracket itself. Looks kind of like a wing. I touched it with my bare hand, (very hot) then touched the left foot peg bracket and nothing. I am going to wrap the exhaust header pipe with heat wrap tape when I put in my new rear shock and will remove the black heat sheild black thingy and see if the increased air flow will help my heel. dry.gif
My ankles get roasted on the right side as well. When I wear my Sidis I don't feel it, but when I take the boots off, I can feel how hot they really are! Geeesh.
vfrcapn, Oct 24 2007, 09:40 PMI'm having the same issue with my TBR high mount pipe, if it is the exhaust pipe. Was thinking about getting a Thurn CF heat plate, there's probably cheaper options around, easy enough to make also from some AL. http://www.thurn-motorsport.de/98-WASSW0.jpg
That looks pretty awesome. May try that for the bling appeal alone. I noted the bike it was shown on uses the old '86 VFR footpegs like I put on my '98. I Stole them from my '86 before I sold it.
Bent, Oct 26 2007, 04:46 PMLook where the exhaust pipes run on the right side. Are your lower RH extremities near them?
The answer is near..... beer.gif
Do you have any suggestions on what I need to do about it? I never noticed it until I started commuting to work with work boots on. Does that black steel plate do anything but radiate the heat onto my ankle? I was thinking to remove it and heat wrap the exhaust pipes. Any thoughts? huh.gif
VFR Capt.Bob, Oct 26 2007, 09:40 PMDo you have any suggestions on what I need to do about it? I never noticed it until I started commuting to work with work boots on. Does that black steel plate do anything but radiate the heat onto my ankle? I was thinking to remove it and heat wrap the exhaust pipes. Any thoughts? huh.gif
Capt, I haven't tried removing the right side heat shield but have read that doing that blasts your ankle with heat from the header. You can try but I suspect you'll be putting it back on, there's been a couple posts on here about that. I've never noticed the heel gaurd getting exceptionally hot on mine. So it is just the heel guard and not the footpeg?
VFR Capt.Bob, Oct 24 2007, 10:07 PMI don't know if this is unusual but my right foot peg bracket gets like a hotplate on the freeway. I've already had to re-glue my Alpinstar heel once. Could this be a result of a lean fueling condition from the race Jardine slip-on I put on in the past? Or is it the usuall for this VFR?
modification has created the issue, you could probably heat wrap the pipe in that area, I can wear tennis shoes on my o6 without issue with stock set up.
VFR Capt.Bob, Oct 24 2007, 10:07 PMI don't know if this is unusual but my right foot peg bracket gets like a hotplate on the freeway. I've already had to re-glue my Alpinstar heel once. Could this be a result of a lean fueling condition from the race Jardine slip-on I put on in the past? Or is it the usuall for this VFR?
modification has created the issue, you could probably heat wrap the pipe in that area, I can wear tennis shoes on my o6 without issue with stock set up.
Appreciate all the help. I've purchased a power commander to feed the lean condition for fear of toasting my cylinders more so than my foot. I do get an anoying back firing with engine braking. I'm going to heat wrap the exhaust and leave the heat sheild in place. I might add some heat sheilding material to the back side of it. A carbon fiber replacement would be much better. Any one know of such an animal? Any carbon fiber gurus willing to make it I'll buy it. fing02.gif I'll update on the results if they merit.
Good plan on leaving the heat shield on - taking it off will only make it worse - it pretty much cooks your ankle when that thing's not on there. I took it off because i thought it looked like a Teflon coated piece of crap, bad idea.
I have a 98 with a Staintune High mount, and I do occasionally get the warm heel from pipe contact, but the peg and wing stay cool.
VFR Capt.Bob, Oct 27 2007, 10:04 PMAppreciate all the help. I've purchased a power commander to feed the lean condition for fear of toasting my cylinders more so than my foot. I do get an anoying back firing with engine braking. I'm going to heat wrap the exhaust and leave the heat sheild in place. I might add some heat sheilding material to the back side of it. A carbon fiber replacement would be much better. Any one know of such an animal? Any carbon fiber gurus willing to make it I'll buy it. fing02.gif I'll update on the results if they merit.
Bent, Oct 26 2007, 04:46 PMLook where the exhaust pipes run on the right side. Are your lower RH extremities near them?
The answer is near..... beer.gif
Do you have any suggestions on what I need to do about it? I never noticed it until I started commuting to work with work boots on. Does that black steel plate do anything but radiate the heat onto my ankle? I was thinking to remove it and heat wrap the exhaust pipes. Any thoughts? huh.gif
Mostly, the only time I feel the heat is when I'm not moving. I wear good riding boots so it's not issue to me. Bikes are more fun with the wheels rolling..... rolleyes.gif
VFR Capt.Bob, Oct 27 2007, 10:04 PMAppreciate all the help. I've purchased a power commander to feed the lean condition for fear of toasting my cylinders more so than my foot. I do get an anoying back firing with engine braking. I'm going to heat wrap the exhaust and leave the heat sheild in place. I might add some heat sheilding material to the back side of it. A carbon fiber replacement would be much better. Any one know of such an animal? Any carbon fiber gurus willing to make it I'll buy it. fing02.gif I'll update on the results if they merit.
Dude I was about to explain the difference between how to make a car go and how to make a bike go - then I actually read the thread! Now I need some shoe remover. That is a wierd phnomenon there, you might also have some heat pouring over you from the side mounted radiators, make sure your inner faring piece is mounted properly. I have never had this happen to me. Some time when you have time take off the heat shield and remove the main bolt on the rearset to gain access to the back headers, they have a connector piece right there, you might be able to loosen it and move it back a few mm, that should give you some relief. you might have to loosen the stud bolts on the cylinder head in order to do this. I found there is a lot of play there and it can be moved quite a bit while it is loose. Installing shocks and such you should be able to push it back a bit so the thing has more air to cool it off.
HispanicSlammer, Oct 30 2007, 08:53 PMDude I was about to explain the difference between how to make a car go and how to make a bike go - then I actually read the thread! Now I need some shoe remover. That is a wierd phnomenon there, you might also have some heat pouring over you from the side mounted radiators, make sure your inner faring piece is mounted properly. I have never had this happen to me. Some time when you have time take off the heat shield and remove the main bolt on the rearset to gain access to the back headers, they have a connector piece right there, you might be able to loosen it and move it back a few mm, that should give you some relief. you might have to loosen the stud bolts on the cylinder head in order to do this. I found there is a lot of play there and it can be moved quite a bit while it is loose. Installing shocks and such you should be able to push it back a bit so the thing has more air to cool it off.
That sounds like a plan. I'm going to be in there anyways. Today traffic was slow on the Freeway and while splitting lanes at a moderate rpm I really noticed the heat. This is also the range at which the bike may back fire a bit as I back of the throttle. So I'm believing the low rpm range is lean and when allowed to live there as when I'm stuck politely putting between fenders and mirrors that the lack of air flow compounded with the sustained lean condition creates a hot spot where the headers twist to meet at the collector for the muffler. Honda even saw fit to engineer for this with that ugly peice of pig iron just above the foot rest. I think this condition never happens on the weekend rides and Laguna Seca runs where traffic is light and the leather is heavy and the rpm's are only limited by me and the rev limiter which I rarely give the opportunity too.
Power commander and shock are due any day now so I'm hoping to have this situation on the run soon. I don't recommend a race baffle on a VFR that is used for commuting or touring. I think that was my mistake. I'm in the market for a good used street baffled can as well. dry.gif musik20.gif
Chev, Oct 30 2007, 08:27 PMBe weary of heat wrap on your header. I do not believe that stuff does anything good for the longevity of the pipe.
Put shock and heat wrap on exhaust. Fired it up and went for a ride and thought the bike was on fire due to smoke coming off the wrap. I'll keep an eye on things and if no improvement i'll cut it off. Still hav'nt got the power commander so I should have some idea tommorrow.
Chev, Oct 30 2007, 08:27 PMBe weary of heat wrap on your header. I do not believe that stuff does anything good for the longevity of the pipe.
Put shock and heat wrap on exhaust. Fired it up and went for a ride and thought the bike was on fire due to smoke coming off the wrap. I'll keep an eye on things and if no improvement i'll cut it off. Still hav'nt got the power commander so I should have some idea tommorrow.
I did the heat wrap thing on both rear and front header pipes (mostly for the rear I bought a new Penske shock and didnt want to fry it with the header) - you gotta spray the wrap with the 2000 degree paint that they supply. You need to cure the paint correctly too for it to work properly. Yeah its el - stinko and some smoke for a few ride cycles. Then I drilled a triangle pattern on the heat shield to bleed out some of the extra heat - again I was thinking of my new shock when I did all this. (Theoretically you get more flow/power too.)
I do notice that the shield still gets warm/hot to the touch, but I havent really noticed anything cooking my feet.
Header life? Dunno - I have 5k on the settup so far. - Would I do it again? Hell yeah! Everthing works as planned.
When I bought my '98 VFR used, the original owner had removed all the extraneous covers and shields from the rear of the bike to better show off the polished aluminum parts (swing arm, hub, and all other aluminum brackets). The bike looked great, but the first few rides really cooked my right ankle. My soultion was to fabricate a simple shield from polished stainless steel sheetmetal. I'm not crazy about how it looks, but it does the job insulating my ankle area from the heat. BTW, my brother has a '98 VFR (completly stock including the stock Honda heat shield) and I've ridden his long and often enough to say that the stock heat shield works well. My advice would be to leave it on.
fuldogg, Nov 6 2007, 02:12 PMWhen I bought my '98 VFR used, the original owner had removed all the extraneous covers and shields from the rear of the bike to better show off the polished aluminum parts (swing arm, hub, and all other aluminum brackets). The bike looked great, but the first few rides really cooked my right ankle. My soultion was to fabricate a simple shield from polished stainless steel sheetmetal. I'm not crazy about how it looks, but it does the job insulating my ankle area from the heat. BTW, my brother has a '98 VFR (completly stock including the stock Honda heat shield) and I've ridden his long and often enough to say that the stock heat shield works well. My advice would be to leave it on.
Header heat wrap seems to help some what. Heat sheild get hot to touch but foot peg bracket stays normal temp. What a difference in the new suspension. Shock and springs have given new legs to the bike. Power commander came today. should be installed soon. Need a good map though. Jardine race slip on, K&N filter, no snorkel California model. I'm told I may need O2 sensor by passes. wheel.gif biggrin.gif
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 6 2007, 08:15 PMHeader heat wrap seems to help some what. Heat sheild get hot to touch but foot peg bracket stays normal temp. What a difference in the new suspension. Shock and springs have given new legs to the bike. Power commander came today. should be installed soon. Need a good map though. Jardine race slip on, K&N filter, no snorkel California model. I'm told I may need O2 sensor by passes. wheel.gif biggrin.gif
No O2 sensors on the '98-'99. Check Dynojet's web site for maps to download.
Ever get a heat shield to attach to the exhaust pipe? I just noticed I've got melted boot/shoe heel on mine, need to find something.
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 6 2007, 08:15 PMHeader heat wrap seems to help some what. Heat sheild get hot to touch but foot peg bracket stays normal temp. What a difference in the new suspension. Shock and springs have given new legs to the bike. Power commander came today. should be installed soon. Need a good map though. Jardine race slip on, K&N filter, no snorkel California model. I'm told I may need O2 sensor by passes. wheel.gif biggrin.gif
No O2 sensors on the '98-'99. Check Dynojet's web site for maps to download.
Ever get a heat shield to attach to the exhaust pipe? I just noticed I've got melted boot/shoe heel on mine, need to find something.
My Jardine is a low or regular mount so I'm not inclined to put a heat shield on it. I'm still thinking of doing something with the stock heat sheild cover. Can't help to think that carbon fiber would stay cooler than tin metal.
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 6 2007, 08:15 PMHeader heat wrap seems to help some what. Heat sheild get hot to touch but foot peg bracket stays normal temp. What a difference in the new suspension. Shock and springs have given new legs to the bike. Power commander came today. should be installed soon. Need a good map though. Jardine race slip on, K&N filter, no snorkel California model. I'm told I may need O2 sensor by passes. wheel.gif biggrin.gif
No O2 sensors on the '98-'99. Check Dynojet's web site for maps to download.
Ever get a heat shield to attach to the exhaust pipe? I just noticed I've got melted boot/shoe heel on mine, need to find something.
My Jardine is a low or regular mount so I'm not inclined to put a heat shield on it. I'm still thinking of doing something with the stock heat sheild cover. Can't help to think that carbon fiber would stay cooler than tin metal.
Bob - I know your whole point is to alleviate your hot foot - but give some consideration to your expensive shock you are adding on - you want to try to keep it cool and get heat away from it as much as possible. -- Jet hot could be another heat wrap type solution. A carbon fibre shield would keep more heat inside around the headers and shock. - Nasty for shock life.
I was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
Enjoyed the pics. You did a lot of work. Bike looks great too. Nice work on the heat sheild. Very practical compared to my contemplation. fing02.gif
Thanks Bob - yeah i tend to get a bit carried away on some things, once i start, i drive myself crazy, i cant shutup that little demon on my shoulder going -- "psst, what about ...."
I'm blown away how well the bike turned out - it's a keeper.
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
Enjoyed the pics. You did a lot of work. Bike looks great too. Nice work on the heat sheild. Very practical compared to my contemplation. fing02.gif
Thanks Bob - yeah i tend to get a bit carried away on some things, once i start, i drive myself crazy, i cant shutup that little demon on my shoulder going -- "psst, what about ...."
I'm blown away how well the bike turned out - it's a keeper.
Good luck
MD
Beware - blatant thread hijacking in progress wink.gif Nice work MD - I'm curious to know what made you decide on the VTR lowers vs. a full frankenbike inverted fork makevover like other cats have done? I'm dreaming (still!) of doing a de-link and fork finagle someday, first I need a rear shock...
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
Enjoyed the pics. You did a lot of work. Bike looks great too. Nice work on the heat sheild. Very practical compared to my contemplation. fing02.gif
Thanks Bob - yeah i tend to get a bit carried away on some things, once i start, i drive myself crazy, i cant shutup that little demon on my shoulder going -- "psst, what about ...."
I'm blown away how well the bike turned out - it's a keeper.
Good luck
MD
Pssst. How bout some 4th gen or earlier footpegs. Solid sparkling polished aluminum. They sit a smidge lower than the rubberized cbr 900 stockers. idea3.gif
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
Enjoyed the pics. You did a lot of work. Bike looks great too. Nice work on the heat sheild. Very practical compared to my contemplation. fing02.gif
Thanks Bob - yeah i tend to get a bit carried away on some things, once i start, i drive myself crazy, i cant shutup that little demon on my shoulder going -- "psst, what about ...."
I'm blown away how well the bike turned out - it's a keeper.
Good luck
MD
Beware - blatant thread hijacking in progress wink.gif Nice work MD - I'm curious to know what made you decide on the VTR lowers vs. a full frankenbike inverted fork makevover like other cats have done? I'm dreaming (still!) of doing a de-link and fork finagle someday, first I need a rear shock...
Hats off - your bike looks sharp! fing02.gif
Admittly I kinda went bassacwards on the front end - I was bent on trashing the brakes first and thinking of the forks second. If you google VFR800 brake delink - the story will pop up.
The forks have Traxxion Dynamics valving in them and stiffer springs and the rear has a dual ajust Penkse. After all is said and done - I dont know if a full fork swap would be worth it, although on the bling scale - it would be a 10. Performance wise I call it even.
Good luck,
MD
BTW - Foot peg wise, the 4th gens are pretty, but I think they would buzz quite a bit more. Just my guess. I added Honda's '99 peg dampers to my '98 to kill the buzz in the stock pegs.
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
Enjoyed the pics. You did a lot of work. Bike looks great too. Nice work on the heat sheild. Very practical compared to my contemplation. fing02.gif
Thanks Bob - yeah i tend to get a bit carried away on some things, once i start, i drive myself crazy, i cant shutup that little demon on my shoulder going -- "psst, what about ...."
I'm blown away how well the bike turned out - it's a keeper.
Good luck
MD
Beware - blatant thread hijacking in progress wink.gif Nice work MD - I'm curious to know what made you decide on the VTR lowers vs. a full frankenbike inverted fork makevover like other cats have done? I'm dreaming (still!) of doing a de-link and fork finagle someday, first I need a rear shock...
Hats off - your bike looks sharp! fing02.gif
Admittly I kinda went bassacwards on the front end - I was bent on trashing the brakes first and thinking of the forks second. If you google VFR800 brake delink - the story will pop up.
The forks have Traxxion Dynamics valving in them and stiffer springs and the rear has a dual ajust Penkse. After all is said and done - I dont know if a full fork swap would be worth it, although on the bling scale - it would be a 10. Performance wise I call it even.
Good luck,
MD
BTW - Foot peg wise, the 4th gens are pretty, but I think they would buzz quite a bit more. Just my guess. I added Honda's '99 peg dampers to my '98 to kill the buzz in the stock pegs.
I have'nt noticed any buzz in the footpegs just a little more leg room. So help me if I do I will hold you responsible. Actually I enjoy trading out parts now and again on my bike. I feel a foot peg comparo in the works. The forks look great. If you're happy with them I'd leave them. But what fun is that? tongue.gif
VFR Capt.Bob, Nov 9 2007, 09:46 PMI was planning on doing something to the heat sheild. I might look into stamping a vent like on the side fairing to create a vacume and suck some of the heat away. The heat on the foot peg is minimal now and after the power commander cures the lean fueling the shock should enjoy a more ambient climate. Any body contemplating an up grade really should do the suspension first. Then the seat. Leave the pipe for last-ish.
Enjoyed the pics. You did a lot of work. Bike looks great too. Nice work on the heat sheild. Very practical compared to my contemplation. fing02.gif
Thanks Bob - yeah i tend to get a bit carried away on some things, once i start, i drive myself crazy, i cant shutup that little demon on my shoulder going -- "psst, what about ...."
I'm blown away how well the bike turned out - it's a keeper.
Good luck
MD
Beware - blatant thread hijacking in progress wink.gif Nice work MD - I'm curious to know what made you decide on the VTR lowers vs. a full frankenbike inverted fork makevover like other cats have done? I'm dreaming (still!) of doing a de-link and fork finagle someday, first I need a rear shock...
Hats off - your bike looks sharp! fing02.gif
Admittly I kinda went bassacwards on the front end - I was bent on trashing the brakes first and thinking of the forks second. If you google VFR800 brake delink - the story will pop up.
The forks have Traxxion Dynamics valving in them and stiffer springs and the rear has a dual ajust Penkse. After all is said and done - I dont know if a full fork swap would be worth it, although on the bling scale - it would be a 10. Performance wise I call it even.
Good luck,
MD
BTW - Foot peg wise, the 4th gens are pretty, but I think they would buzz quite a bit more. Just my guess. I added Honda's '99 peg dampers to my '98 to kill the buzz in the stock pegs.
I have'nt noticed any buzz in the footpegs just a little more leg room. So help me if I do I will hold you responsible. Actually I enjoy trading out parts now and again on my bike. I feel a foot peg comparo in the works. The forks look great. If you're happy with them I'd leave them. But what fun is that? tongue.gif
Oh - if you have looked in my gallery - you have seen I have had plenty of fun with this part vs that part. Lots and Lots of finageling. Any more to do? Not a chance - I have shot my load of bucks - I have spent more on mods than I paid for the bike. I am happy to leave it together and go riding, thats the big fun. The thing works pretty well too.
Ride Well, MD
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