Evaporative Cannister Removal

The paint is wearing thin on my evaporative cannister and the words "Del Monte" and "Pineapple" are beginning to show through. I figured instead of putting a new coat of paint on the cannister, I would just remove it all together.

I know that I need to plug the hole from the line leading back into the airbox from the cannister, but what about the two vent lines coming from the tank? I know the smaller line goes directly to the cannister but the larger line goes in/out of a solenoid on the right side of the bike before entering the cannister. I assume both of these lines can be clipped off and the ends hidden somewhere in the bowels of the bike. If I chunk the solenoid, will I get an "FI" warning on the dash?

Why does the tank have two breather lines? Does one function differently than the other? I realize I have to keep the tank vented, but could I not just cap one of the lines where it exits the tank and have only one working vent line or do I need both? Just trying to clean some of the emissions crap off the bike and pi$$ off the Sierra Club while I'm at it.

Any and all input appreciated.

Bump. Seems the how too is gone. (Well, at least I'm not finding it).

I couldn't find it either. I know this question has probably been asked a thousand times in the past but my searches came up with less than complete information.

When I removed my evap can, I blocked the large line with a bolt and a hose clamp, after the solenoid(left it there). I routed the small hose down with the others at the bottom of the cowls.

SEBSPEEDWhen I removed my evap can, I blocked the large line with a bolt and a hose clamp, after the solenoid(left it there). I routed the small hose down with the others at the bottom of the cowls.

That is that line that goes to the air box, right?

Why do you need to cap it off?

I just got done removing my EVAP can about an hour ago. I was changing my oil and the can was in the way, so it gave me a good excuse to take it off.

From the research I've done on EVAP can removal, this is what I just did:

1. remove the bolts that hold the can in place-remove canister.

2. remove the brackets that are no longer needed to hold it in place.

3. pull the one hose (from the right side of the can) out of the drain hose holder area.

4. disconnect the smaller of the two hoses from the left of the can (which leads to the gas tank)

5. follow the larger hose (from the left of the can) up to the solenoid, unhook and remove the solenoid, and cap the large hose from the end that used to connect the solenoid to the throttle body.

6. zip tie the capped end of the large hose to the wire that used to plug into the solenoid.

7. pull the small hose through the side of the bike and unhook it from the bottom of the gas tank - from what I've read, this hose is not for drainage, it is to allow air into the tank to keep it from vacuum crushing your tank.

8. put the canister, part of the large hose and solenoid, small hose from tank, screws and brackets into bag and label incase you want to re-install some day.

I started the bike after this mod and oil change, and no problems or trouble lights.

Wooly:

You are da man! Thanks a million. You answered all of my questions at once.

I'm assuming your left and rights were as you were standing in front of the bike, not the riding position left and right - correct?

So both hoses on the bottom of front of the tank are vent hoses - correct again? One goes directly to the evap cannister, one to the solenoid which in turn goes to the evap cannister.

I've got my tank off and drained. I think I will take a dental mirror and take a peek up inside the front of the tank and see if there are any differences inside the tank where the two vent lines go. If not, why couldn't we just remove both hoses from the bike in their entirety or at the most terminate them at about the shock in case any gas were to ever "back flow" out of them under hard braking or some other extreme circumstance.

Why are we/you doing this some want to know. I firmly believe in the K.I.S.S. principle.

BTW, did your evap cannister say "Del Monte" on it or "Heinz". I've heard they use both depending upon availabiltiy. smile.gif

Thanks again.

Pete

Thanks for the nice write-up.

So, my question still stands; Does the tube that goes to the air box really needs to be plugged?

I doubt that it does - it's just another hole in the airbox after all and a small one compared to the ones already there...

RiceThanks for the nice write-up.

So, my question still stands; Does the tube that goes to the air box really needs to be plugged?

I doubt that it does - it's just another hole in the airbox after all and a small one compared to the ones already there...

Rice:

I haven't taken the top of my airbox off yet but my understanding is that the line from the evap cannister to the airbox comes into the airbox between the airfilter and the injector body. i.e., you would be pulling in more air but it would be unfiltered air.

Pete

No problem Pete. Glad I could help. Everyday now since the snow has started to fall, I've been in the garage either looking at her to see what new mods I can do, or looking up info. on what others have done.

It was so much easier getting to the oil filter without the can right there. I also think it just looks better without it. I know there is not much weight reduction (the little solenoid actually weighed more than the Del Monte can), but every little bit helps.

As far as unhooking the other hose under the tank, I'm not exactly sure what to do about that. I'd have to check around for more info. I've unhooked so many damn things from my bike that I think I only have one or two hoses, a wire harness here and there, an engine, and two wheels left to ride.

Yes, my left and rights were facing the front of the bike. Never quite sure which is the true left/right of the bike when it comes to maintenence instructions.

Off topic:

I got to tooling around a little later and ended up removing the chain guard too. It looks kinda cool that way. I was going to take it off anyway to put the new sprockets and chain on eventually. Just can't stay away from her for too long.

BTW Pete - got any pics of your V-Max? The Max was my first true love. Still a little too scared to ride one though. One of these days I'm going to get me one and my life will be complete.

wooly72BTW Pete - got any pics of your V-Max? The Max was my first true love. Still a little too scared to ride one though. One of these days I'm going to get me one and my life will be complete.

Thanks Wooly. Sounds like you're headed in the same direction as me with your mods. That is what I enjoy so much about riding and tinkering with my Duke. It is "old school" so to speak. Just the bare essentials of a bike. No emissions crap, no frills, just an engine, chassis, suspension, and a minimum of essentials to get you down the road. I guess that's why with only 53 hp it will give most sport bikes all they can handle in the north GA mountains.

Done any suspension upgrades? That is where I spent my first money and it made the biggest difference. Complete RaceTech front end set up per Hispanic Slammer (great article he did on how to do it) and a Penske double adjustable shock in the rear. I'm just now getting around to trying to get a few more ponies out of it.

I've got a '96 V-Max. Solid black, black wheels, "black chrome" pipes. The bike looks real stealthy. I haven't ridden it in several years since getting the VFR, the ST1300, and a KTM Duke II. Let me see if I can find any digital pics of it. Got lots of film pics. Besides the bike mods, my wife and I bought an old house we are remodeling. It will have a 20' x 30' shop area just for my bikes when I get finished. One of my first projects will be to get the Max out of mothballs and get it going again.

Great idea having a bike shop area. Sounds like it will give you all the room you need for your bikes and then some. As of yet, I still have to share my 2 1/2 garage with my wife. Our next house will either have a shop or I'll just have to build one. I remodeled our garage last summer with new walls, cabinets, workbench, storage, etc., but I'd still like to have something just for working, not for storage, parking, etc.

V-Max sounds sweet. My neighbor across the street has a 01 I believe. His is black too, with a red stripe down the middle. He put a Holeshot exhaust on it, lowered it, and put new wheels and suspension on last summer. He's offered to let me ride it, but something about riding someone else's Max keeps me from doing it.

I want to start on the suspension soon, but with a baby coming in May, I'll probably have to hold off at least until this fall. I have a funny feeling if I mention putting that kind of money into the bike just after she's had the baby that she might freak out on me. I would really like to try those mods though, I've heard it feels like a completely different bike, and I thought the VFR rode really smooth stock. Just another thing to add to the list.

Just for what it's worth, when I pulled my evap cannister I just ran the lines coming from the tank to where the drain line was as was described once upon a time in the now mythical how-to. I know one is for air to allow the tank to breath but the hose prevents moisture from making its way in more easily. I am sure the amount is small enough to be negligible but I ride almost daily, year round and like to have every advantage available. smile.gif

And as Pete said, plug the air hole to prevent unfiltered air penetration (unless you feel like rigging a small filter to do the job). :thumbsup:

wooly72I want to start on the suspension soon, but with a baby coming in May, I'll probably have to hold off at least until this fall. I have a funny feeling if I mention putting that kind of money into the bike just after she's had the baby that she might freak out on me.

I don't envy you at all Wooly but I do want to say "Congratulations". Build a bike shop? Wooly, you're going to be building Baby's room (or atleast redecorating it), then will come an outdoor play area in a few years, etc. BTW, she's going to freak out on you at the drop of a hat for a while for no apparent reason at all. Part of being pregnant and all that post partem stuff. Been there, done that.

The suspension mods are the first mods to do when you get the money. Really makes the bike work great. Honda is notorious for putting too soft a spring on their bikes. Hispanic Slammer's write up on the RaceTech install was first rate. I don't know if it's still on here or not, it might be one of those posts that got lost in the big crash. He did lots of pics with it and is really a good writer. Even with it's weight, the VFR can be made into a great handling bike with a good set of shoes and the proper suspension. I did a Reg Pridmore school several years back and he rode a VFR in the school. It would blow you mind to see what he can do on one. Really showed the potential the bike has if setup and ridden properly (read "ridden properly" to mean ex-SuperBike champion and world class racer). Doesn't Spencer use VFR's at his school in Vegas? He's a fair rider too best of my memory.

Again, congrats! Is this your first?

Thanks. I have a nine year old stepson that I've brought up since he was three, but this will be my first baby. Kinda nervous. I already know what you mean by freakin out on me. I have learned to be very careful what I say and do around my wife these last few months. Working on the baby's room is coming before the bike for now. Just little mod work here and there when I make it into the garage. Thanks again.

wooly72Thanks. I have a nine year old stepson that I've brought up since he was three, but this will be my first baby. Kinda nervous. I already know what you mean by freakin out on me. I have learned to be very careful what I say and do around my wife these last few months. Working on the baby's room is coming before the bike for now. Just little mod work here and there when I make it into the garage. Thanks again.

I see nights of 3-4 hours sleep in Wooly's future. Remind the wife she's the one with boobs, not you.

Wooly:

Be careful tossing the bracket that the evap cannister bolts to. The one on the right side of the bike (right when you are in the riding position) also is used for an attachment point for the right side fairing.

Pete