It Is Now Time For Some Serious Modifications...

veefer800canuck, Apr 12 2007, 02:53 PMFor a first post to the forum, that's pretty bold! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/blink.gif)


How exactly are you going to drive the blower? I take it since the timing inspection cover is off, that's your spot?

And what size is it? A C15-60?

http://www.rotrex.com/pdfs/Rotrex_Technica...Range_V_3.5.pdf


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It also appears that there are oil fittings (banjo bolts) on the drive end of the blower, I assume that's for circulation of engine oil thru the bearings of the blower?
Might I suggest you look at using the return line from the stock oil cooler to feed in through the blower bearings and then back to the engine?

Not sure if that would work for you, just tossing out the thought......

(edit: nevermind, it has it's own oil supply and special fluid for the unit)

toro1, Apr 12 2007, 01:13 PMVeefer, you're right on. It's a C15-60 and I'm using the end of the crank to drive it. I don't have the interconnect made yet, but it will be a pretty slick deal when it's done. I am going to use the new Gates PowerGrip GT2 synchronous belt to connect the crank to the blower. The Rotrex does come with its own reservoir and filter, which luckily, fit in part of the space that used to be occupied by the airbox.

toro1, Apr 12 2007, 11:03 AMYou can see pre-crash pictures here.

veefer800canuck, Apr 12 2007, 03:26 PM

toro1, Apr 12 2007, 01:13 PMVeefer, you're right on. It's a C15-60 and I'm using the end of the crank to drive it. I don't have the interconnect made yet, but it will be a pretty slick deal when it's done. I am going to use the new Gates PowerGrip GT2 synchronous belt to connect the crank to the blower. The Rotrex does come with its own reservoir and filter, which luckily, fit in part of the space that used to be occupied by the airbox.

Well, depending on the boost level you intend to run, the blower will tolerate running at a 1:1 ratio with the crank, as it is rated for 11,840 RPM on the input shaft.

The VFR800's rev limiter kicks in at 11,300 IIRC.


But that's probably too much boost. I don't have the mental energy right now to calculate the conversion from kg/s of air to CFM, etc.

But most blower applications for the street, with stock compression pistons are underdriven quite a bit. Also cuts down on the intake heating without an intercooler.

With the high compression of the VFR, likely only 5-6 pounds of boost would be all that the engine would tolerate. Unless you went the route of intercooler and low compression pistons (which would have to be custom made).


Also, which the heck direction does the VFR's crank rotate? If it's clockwise when viewed from the RHS, then you're in business. But I ASS-ume you've already looked at that since you're this far down the garden path.

Hobie1dog, Apr 12 2007, 12:29 PMWelcome to the forum, glad you found us. We like plenty of pictures. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

It's official -- Supercharger Kits are finally here.

See post #113 for details, and be sure to visit www.aaperf.com for pictures, videos, and tons of information, including pricing.

T H E

B U I L D U P

Background Info

The following is a condensed version of the original 30 page, 889 reply thread of the same name. The amount of feedback and quality of discussion that took place was incredible for all those involved, but, unfortunately, made it very difficult to follow the buildup. Therefore, only the key steps remain - along with pictures and dyno results - with some video highlights linked here:

> First startup video

> Blower video

>

Dyno Results:

> Dyno Pull #1

> Dyno Pull #2 (N/A Bike Comparison)

-- begin thread --

rotrex.jpg Yes, it's a supercharger. Yes, it's going on my VFR.

And yes, it fits.

This story begins at the end of last year. Heading out for one last good ride of the season, I pull out of my driveway, wave hi to the neighbors, look for oncoming traffic at the stop sign, and look back straight again, only to become blinded by the setting sun. When I finally realize where the road is, I am happily greeted by the curb and end up dumping the bike right there in the street, effectively destroying months of hard work and the right side of the bike. You can see pre-crash pictures here.

Completely disgusted by my utter stupidity, I put the bike out of sight & mind for a week, but my inner hot rodder doesn't stay quiet for long. I realize that because of the crash, I can do some things differently than I did before -- tweak the bodywork a bit more, build a custom exhaust, and most importantly, if I have to take all the body panels off again, why not add one of these:

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Thought I'd add a few new pics. If anyone has ever wondered what's behind your clutch cover, here ya go.

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The connector will bolt right where the "12" bolt rests and proceed out the timing cover (which will be modified to house a sealed bearing).

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The image above is what everything looks like with the airbox removed. The emission controls and most of the vacuum tubes will be gone before long. Now to get those injectors out...

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Finally, here's a shot of a very basic bracket mockup, a pre-beta bracket if you will. I'll refine it with some thicker material (particle board maybe?) before coming up with a CAD drawing of the final aluminum piece.

By the way, if anyone does not yet own an official Honda shop manual, I highly recommend buying one :thumbsup:

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This one.

Thanks for the warm welcome guys.

Matt - that is indeed photoshopped. I seriously considered chopping the tail & changing the suspension (and still do), but I'd rather have more go than show, so right now, those mods are on the back burner. I am however making a custom exhaust, but unlike that picture, it will be a muffled reverse cone, so it should be much quieter and fit the lines of the bike (and stock tail section) better than the slash cut. Very scientific testing has taught me that a VFR sounds better muffled than not...

I'm definitely looking forward to the stealth element the Rotrex will provide. Due to the internal design (it uses a planetary roller friction drive, not gears), it will be nearly silent while operating, and is also very efficient. The model I have can spin up to 150,000 RPM! Since it's centrifugal, the power delivery will be very easy on the drivetrain and very controllable with the wrist, and I'm looking to get a realistic 140-150 RWHP out of it when I'm done.

I'll keep you guys posted with my progress. I've learned a tremendous amount of information so far, and can't wait to get this thing back on the road.

Baileyrock, Apr 12 2007, 06:30 PMLooks like a fun project! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

Nice looking job you did the first time!

What if you replaced one of the radiators with a side mounted Air to air intercooler and maybe fit a custom larger rad on the remaining side to handle the cooling. (ps Vtec rads are 8% bigger) (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/idea3.gif)

toro1, Apr 13 2007, 11:21 PMOf course my mind never rests, and I don't know if the bike will ever truly be "done."

SGVridgerunner, Apr 15 2007, 11:47 AMWow, I just noticed the RC-51 front end too!!!
When supercharged, this bike will be unbelievable. Easily the best looking VFR I've seen. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

matt_c, Apr 13 2007, 03:53 AM(IMG:http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2006/12/07/bikepics-741097-full.jpg)

This one.

zRoYz, Apr 15 2007, 04:39 PMYes please (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

I have been looking into a big bore kit for a 750 when it tranforms back to a road bike (swiffer finish yours please) but for hp gain it's alot of $$ with not a great reward. ...My greatest fear in bolting on a turbo is going into a corner to hot & needing just a little more throttle to hold the line & hiting boost arrgggg.

Parker, Apr 16 2007, 08:52 PMKirbs might be rightly worried, but haven't you got too much on-board ballast to worry about that Roy? (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/tongue.gif)

Parker, Apr 16 2007, 10:52 AM

zRoYz, Apr 15 2007, 04:39 PMYes please (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

I have been looking into a big bore kit for a 750 when it tranforms back to a road bike (swiffer finish yours please) but for hp gain it's alot of $$ with not a great reward. ...My greatest fear in bolting on a turbo is going into a corner to hot & needing just a little more throttle to hold the line & hiting boost arrgggg.

Kirbs might be rightly worried, but haven't you got too much on-board ballast to worry about that Roy? (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/tongue.gif)

toro1, Apr 16 2007, 11:40 AMAs for the fuel, RC Engineering injectors are on the way. I don't think they will be a pure drop in, so some mods will have to take place to get them to work (by the way, stock S2000 injectors are a perfect replacement, but require a higher fuel pressure & if bought new, are pricier than the RCs).

Reggub, Apr 16 2007, 07:03 PM

toro1, Apr 16 2007, 11:40 AMAs for the fuel, RC Engineering injectors are on the way. I don't think they will be a pure drop in, so some mods will have to take place to get them to work (by the way, stock S2000 injectors are a perfect replacement, but require a higher fuel pressure & if bought new, are pricier than the RCs).

I don't know who makes the injectors for the VFR, i would imagine Bosch, but whoever it is, contact them.

In my experience, you should be able to get a part number and fitment from the injector manufacturer that will closely match the fuel demand of the original VFR injectors, but at a higher volume flow rate. As the boost pressure from the Rotrex will be reasonably linear, it could save a lot of mapping time on the dyno.

It might be worth linking the bike up to an oscilloscope or engine analyser to measure the duty cycle of the injector, if it is above 70% then the injector will be useless for the supercharger addition. If it is anywhere near 60%, you have enough duty time spare to supply the addition fuel. As long as the duty cycle is below 75% the injector coil will not overheat and fail prematurely.

The fuel pressure could be increased, however the flow rate increase of the injectors will not be linear, and can make for awkward fuel mapping, but a small increase in pressure and a low original duty cycle should be enough to provide adequate fuelling. I seriously doubt you would need to change the pump, but of course i cant be sure.

I'm not claiming to know it all, i just wanted to add my bit to possibly save some money for the first people who develop this mod, it will not be cheap.


Cheers

Chev, Apr 16 2007, 10:21 PMAhh, you added pics to the first post. Very nice (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

Sounds like you ahve been thinking about this for a long time. What are you most afraid of in the build?

leftcoast, Apr 17 2007, 12:49 AMToro (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

Interesting timing.
A couple months ago, Kevin Cameron in CycleWorld Magazine discussed the idea of the Blower mod.
Better than turbos due to lag, etc. ....more linear throttle response.
He speculated 600cc bikes adding 50hp pretty easily.
THEN, he pointed out that Kawi had done this very mod to their 1400cc watercraft. (a zx-14 w/ fins)
The thing produces 1500# of thrust - would lift the machine vertically out of the water if it was controllable / direct-able to that orientation.
He ended the article challenging Kawi to bring the huffer to their bikes.
Yours should be an interesting project ........good luck to you!

toro1, Apr 17 2007, 09:09 AM

Chev, Apr 16 2007, 10:21 PMAhh, you added pics to the first post. Very nice (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

Sounds like you ahve been thinking about this for a long time. What are you most afraid of in the build?

Good question. I guess at this point I'm most worried about getting it running before summer! Well, that and the prospect of blowing the head gasket(s), or causing any other internal damage, and having to take it all apart, at which point the internals would be getting upgraded and the blower pulley would be getting smaller. I've actually tackled many of the toughest hurdles already, but I sure will be glad when my biggest concern is getting it tuned properly, and the wideband should help out there.

And yep, I've been thinking about this since I got the bike.

captainchris13, Apr 17 2007, 12:39 PM

toro1, Apr 17 2007, 09:09 AM

Chev, Apr 16 2007, 10:21 PMAhh, you added pics to the first post. Very nice (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

Sounds like you ahve been thinking about this for a long time. What are you most afraid of in the build?

Good question. I guess at this point I'm most worried about getting it running before summer! Well, that and the prospect of blowing the head gasket(s), or causing any other internal damage, and having to take it all apart, at which point the internals would be getting upgraded and the blower pulley would be getting smaller. I've actually tackled many of the toughest hurdles already, but I sure will be glad when my biggest concern is getting it tuned properly, and the wideband should help out there.

And yep, I've been thinking about this since I got the bike.

A small point, but some research bosch did years ago found certain high demand engines (boosted or with aggressive cams) benefitted from larger fuel rails around the injectors. turns out there can be localized pressure drops around them causing a lean condition with normal sized fuel rails. some performance systems they designed after this wetn to fuel lines close to an inch on inside ID. I used to use a large diameter rubber hose to connect the rails and pump and releif valve, maybe 3/4" which acted as a capacitor as they would swell slightly under pressure and then if there was a localized drop they could release what what they held at roughly the same pressure.

a full metal system, with full pressure and pump off, only gushes a tiny amount when you pull off a line, but the one with the hoses always gushes a significant amount more, at pressure for a few seconds.

it seemed to make a diff on the perfomance porsches when they would hit their power peak, and rev through the fastest part of the rev range.

just a thought.

love the project!

toro1, Apr 13 2007, 07:59 AMA larger radiator was (is) a consideration, and I will most likely be upgrading the oil cooler to a larger unit.

Chev, Apr 17 2007, 10:59 PMWhat are the chances that the blower could me moved out another 4-6" to let the radiator fit underneith?

I guess that might be at an upper limit for the length of the drive running things?.?.

Baileyrock, Apr 17 2007, 10:40 PM

toro1, Apr 13 2007, 07:59 AMA larger radiator was (is) a consideration, and I will most likely be upgrading the oil cooler to a larger unit.

The 6th gen uses a 3 row oil cooler vs the 2 row of the 5th gen. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

I realized that the next step to getting everything properly lined up, and getting some good brackets designed, was to rigidly align the blower with the crank. I figured out where the rotrex could be nestled, determined the center-to-center distance, drilled a piece of extruded aluminum, and bolted everything together (with the proper spacing, of course). Here's what it looks like:

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The question becomes, is there any way to get the radiator to fit behind the belt?

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Yes, but it's gonna be tricky. The tougher part is going to be getting the radiator to fit around the blower itself, and running the coolant hoses such that they do not interfere with the drive or the supercharger intake & air filter.

Actually, the toughest part of this whole project has been making everything work without modifying (read: hacking off, grinding away, or welding onto) existing parts and/or the frame. I want this kit to be built so that if I ever need to go back to stock, nothing will be stopping me.

vfrmonkey, Apr 18 2007, 05:06 AMRemember that a VRG (Varible Rate of Gain) FPR raises fuel pressure in accordance to boost...

Okay, time for some updates. I've got the crank interconnect and pulleys all designed, and they should be well underway by next week. I'm having my dad's shop cut the teeth and splines, so the price should be right :D

Here are some shots of new items that have arrived. First up is the belt and bearing.

Not too exciting, but another step closer nonetheless. Also, I mentioned earlier that I was having a custom exhaust made, and guess what arrived yesterday...

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The reverse cone muffler is the end piece of the exhaust. The first part consists of a stock VFR exhaust pipe cut at the muffler section and stuffed with a Car Chemistry 3-disk insert. To say the sound is awesome is a huge understatement, and it's completely unlike any VFR I've ever heard. I had Doug up at ARC Fabrication make it custom for me from a drawing I gave him. His work is awesome and his prices are great. Really nice guy, too. The pictures don't do it justice, it really looks like a factory race part when you see it in person.

When I found out the injectors I bought weren't exactly drop-in replacements for the VFR units, I was faced with 2 choices: 1) modify the throttle body to accept the RCs, or 2) modify the RCs to accept the throttle body.

Here's what I chose to do:

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To make these injectors fit the throttle body required taking some material off the body and snout of each injector. So, I made a split collar that fit the injectors perfectly, then chucked them up in the lathe and took the ODs down to the right size.

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You can see in the above shot a before & after. Don't worry, there's still plenty of material left on there for the injectors to function normally.

I wasn't done yet. The RC injectors are actually longer than the stockers too, so spacers needed to be made for both the injectors and the fuel rail.

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In case you are wondering, raising the fuel rails altered the center distance of the stock connector between the two rails, so to fix that, I found a round piece of steel with the proper radius, placed the connector on top of that, and inserted both items into the press. Very carefully, the connector was worked to fit the new center distance.

Hopefully the pigtail adapters will be here shortly so I can button up the throttle body once and for all. And of course, more updates to come...

I got the pigtails, and of course, they aren't exactly plug and play. The female end fits the RCs perfectly, but the male end is slightly different than the stock Honda injector plug. After some research, I've only managed to find one place that sells the exact pigtails that I need, but they cost 4x the amount I paid!

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So, I found that by trimming some of the plastic off the plug end, they can be directly connected to the original wiring harness. I did that on all 4 pigtails, plugged them in, ziptied them up, and now the throttle body is complete.

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I've been quite busy this past week making drawings of all the different parts I need to get machined. So far, I've designed & drawn up 6 separate components (with the help of good 'ole AutoCAD) and still need to design & draw up at least that many more, and let me tell you, with no easy access to a CMM machine, some of these parts are -t e d i o u s- to figure out. My goal of not chopping/modifying the existing hardware/frame/components has made this project tricky indeed, and my self-imposed deadline of June 1st is fast approaching. But hey, I wanted a challenge :D

I can give you guys some more pictures of freshly arrived items. First up is my non-bling, super low cost blow-off valve. It's a Bosch unit I picked up on ebay for a princely sum of $25. Originally off a Porsche Turbo, it should be more than up to the task of venting excess pressure on my low-boost VFR. I could have gone with a billet adjustable unit, but from what I've read, this valve has lightning fast response, and since I don't care about being able to hold 25+psi, I might as well save $150. I've also got an old K&N breather filter that fits perfectly on the outlet, and should quiet down the 'pssssht' slightly.

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Also, I can give you a sneak peak at the intake I'll be making.

I bought some mandrel bent aluminum tubes which will form the the runner legs and directly connect the throttle body with the plenum.

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No, I'm not building a tunnel ram, I just have the tubes sitting in the throttle body for some pre-visualization. Try to imagine the legs much shorter coming out of the throttle body, making a 90, then entering into a central plenum which is fed directly by the supercharger. Wait till you see how I mount the intake to the throttle body -- it's gonna be pretty slick. I'll get cracking on this once I get the brackets machined and I can mount the blower.

Alright, now I literally have to go back to the drawing board...

While I'm waiting for some parts to be completed, I thought I'd share a little bit of progress. Since I have the clutch cover pulled off, I decided to upgrade the stock springs to Barnett units. The plates are in excellent condition, and from what I've read, the hot ticket clutch setup is the factory plates with these springs, so hopefully it'll stand up to the extra power. The Barnetts are longer and a little stiffer than the stockers, and once installed, the clutch lever has a nice firm feel to it (not far from stock, actually).

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I also got the pump in. It's a Walbro unit with the same connector style and inlet & outlet location as the Denso unit. Hard to tell from the picture below, but the body diameter is ever-so-slightly larger than stock.

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This was the easiest mod so far -- truly a plug and play deal. The only finagling required was due to the aforementioned pump body being larger than stock. I simply took a set of needlenose pliers, squeezed the clamp together (which contoured the metal band around the pump) and put the screw in. Done. I already powered it up and it sounds great -- I can't wait 'till it's pumping massive amounts of fuel to those hungry cylinders :thumbsup:

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Can't even tell it's not stock!

I thought I'd start mocking up the intake today, and the quickest way to do that is with a nice piece of cardboard:

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I cut the pipes down the shop and made sure that the ends sticking in the throttle body are all square & of equal length (I left the other end longer for the time being). I know what size plenum I want to run and have actually made a detailed drawing, but detailed drawings don't mean squat without seeing the part in real life. So, I cut a piece of cardboard into close-enough dimensions for mockup, and I'm proud to report that clearance wise, it's all good.

What I'm pondering now is whether to have a top entrance to the plenum or a side feed entrance. There is actually more room on the side with the blower (due to the engine being offset with the cam drive), about 3 inches worth from the end of the plenum to the inside of the frame. You can see what I mean below:

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What's bugging me now is the best way to go about plumbing the rotrex to the intake, and where to put the BOV. It's gonna be a tight turn into the intake from the top or the side, and will require a few 45º angles to make it work. I had planned on using a nice silicone T hose to mount the BOV, but I don't think there's room for that anymore. I'll figure it out later...

Hot off the CNC -- parts baby!

I said earlier that I had a slick way to mount the new intake to the throttle body, and here it is:

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The intake runner tubes will be a tight slip fit through the holes of the throttle body mounting plates & will bottom against a small lip in the throttle body. These plates are held down the same way the stock airbox is, with (2) M5 bolts around each runner. How does it seal, you ask?

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Machined into the base are grooves for properly sized Viton o-rings, so no rubber/silicone connectors & hose clamps are needed to hold the plenum to the throttle body, just the 8 socket head cap screws.

I'm still undecided whether I should weld the tubes in or use special aluminum epoxy. I'm afraid that if I weld it, the base will distort slightly and compromise the seal, so I'm really investigating the epoxy. After all, Lotus epoxies their entire cars together (welding aluminum can reduce strength around the weld by up to 50%), and with thin wall tubing, it might just be the ticket.

I also got the PAIR blockoff plates. I designed them to accept flathead cap screws since I need every thousandth near the intake of the blower. Nothing fancy, but they'll get the job done.

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Believe it or not, this used to be the timing cover:

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This mod required some thought to accomplish, but it turned out great. The bearing needed to be prefectly centered in the cover in order to avoid improper loading of the crankshaft, and believe me, it's perfectly centered.

The two small holes are for a spanner wrench that will tighten the cover back down (since the original hex is now long gone).

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It's a slight press fit into the cover, and the double seal assures that no oil can escape from the crankcase.

After all this talk of epoxy and welding, I have made a decision that if I ever have to make another manifold, it definitely will have silicone bends with separate adapters. I already know exactly how I want to do it; more expensive - yes, more parts - yes, not as nice looking - yes, much much easier to build - YES. It took me hours to hand work those bends back into round & to cut them the exact length and perfectly square.

I also am pretty certain that I will weld the whole assembly together. There's one more place I want to call about the epoxy, but I have found a very capable welder that can do the job for me. Either way, this is the last all aluminum intake manifold I'll make.

Having said all this, here's what I got accomplished this weekend. First, I needed to cut the plenum material and mill holes where the runners will attach.

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I then used a flycutter to finish bore the holes and counterbore them 0.050" to allow the tubes to locate in the plenum.

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The reason I went with 1/4" wall square tube is so that I could add a full size radius on the inside of the plenum without having to make a separate component. To add the radiused entry, I ground a radius into a piece of tool steel, mounted it into the flycutter, and then cut from the underside until the radius was generated:

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It worked out great -- here are some pics of the semi-completed intake.

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I still have to make the endcaps, drill it for the temp sensor, and radius the edges, but it's getting close.

This is starting to get fun. After all the measurements and mockup brackets, I finally have a real supercharger bracket, and get this -- it puts the blower right where I wanted it! It's almost like I engineered it that way!

Joking aside, here's a pic:

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I had it made out of 3/8" thick 7075, so it's plenty strong & still lightweight. I just need to make standoffs, the upper bracket, and the left connector bracket and the whole assembly can be mounted up for good.

Well, the next step in this project is to get the brackets finalized, but I can't do that until I know the final position of the supercharger, which I won't know until I get the pulleys mounted, and since I don't have the pulleys, I'm at a standstill. I've also found out that the silicone pieces I need for the intake won't be in for 2 weeks, so there goes any shot at my June 1st deadline.

Anyhoo, I've started to wire in the Wideband Commander, I'm finishing the exhaust, and today, I got the crank connector all finished up:

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It mounts right into the end of the crank and right on top of the pulse generator disc.

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Here you can see it sticking out of the clutch cover & modified timing cover. It fits perfectly.

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The driver pulley will be splined to fit onto the connector & will be held on by a bolt in the end.

Yes folks, the pulleys are done! Things should start moving faster now...

Here they are as blanks:

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They then were popped into the shaper and both the internal & external splines were cut:

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The completed parts.

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I should be able to finalize the bracketry now and get the radiator fitted. Plus, I'll be able to figure out exactly where the bodywork needs to be trimmed/clearanced/heated & bent into shape to fit the drive assembly behind the plastic. As for the pulleys themselves, once I'm done with the test-fitting, they will be sent down to get hard anodized and the flanges will be installed.

SEBSPEEDSo how do you extend a VFR swingarm?? :goofy:

You could throw a Honda Civic wheel on there with a slick tire though, and see what it'll do at the strip... :rolleyes:

Hey Seb, you mean like this?

:salesman:

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The PhantomThose pulleys look great. Next big thing I'm waiting for is to see the drive belt running from the crankcase cover to the blower... and how you're going to work the plastics around it.

Your wish is my command...

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Now for the fairing pics:

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As you can see, there's not a whole lot of room for the belt or pulleys, but most of it can be fixed by spacing out the fairing & massaging certain parts. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the belt and pulleys are right up against the plastic. Some sections will have to go under the knife (aka dremel).

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I just wanted to figure out where I want the gauges. I'm liking this position from both an aesthetic & turning clearance point of view.

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The view from up front. Plenty of cold air coming through there, plus the radiator hoses clear both the filter and the blower. I'll mount the oil cooler just below the blower, though I'm still not sure whether to reuse the old one or get a new one.

Just to clarify an earlier statement I made, check out this picture:

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Pay no attention to that bolt sticking out the end -- it's only temporary. Anyway, you can clearly see there's a good 3/4" of space between the radiator and the belt, and the radiator is even spaced out from the engine a bit, so there should be no clearance issues.

jcpate, Jun 1 2007, 12:04 AMHow about a BIG BORE KIT & A TOROCHARGER!!! (Good Name??) Im GREEDY I guess... I wonder how much HP that will produce??? yeee haaa!!!!! Here we go. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/wheel.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/wheel.gif)

veefer800canuck, May 31 2007, 11:52 PM

TurboPackMule, May 31 2007, 08:43 PM

bmonnig, May 31 2007, 11:40 AMI know I would be -much- more interested in this purchase, vs a big bore kit.

Jeez, this thread is bringing out all the lurkers... (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/goofy.gif)

HS is going to send you a bill for all the additional bandwidth, Toro!! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/warranty.gif)

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toro1, Jun 1 2007, 05:23 AM

veefer800canuck, May 31 2007, 11:52 PM

TurboPackMule, May 31 2007, 08:43 PM

bmonnig, May 31 2007, 11:40 AMI know I would be -much- more interested in this purchase, vs a big bore kit.

Jeez, this thread is bringing out all the lurkers... (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/goofy.gif)

HS is going to send you a bill for all the additional bandwidth, Toro!! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/warranty.gif)

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Absolute craziness. I'm thinking a donation might be in order...

veefer800canuck, May 31 2007, 11:52 PM(IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/warranty.gif)

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toro1, Jun 1 2007, 08:21 AM

jcpate, Jun 1 2007, 12:04 AMHow about a BIG BORE KIT & A TOROCHARGER!!! (Good Name??) Im GREEDY I guess... I wonder how much HP that will produce??? yeee haaa!!!!! Here we go. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/wheel.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/wheel.gif)

Let's put it this way, if someone wanted to crack open their engine and replace key parts, there's not telling how much power can be had. In fact, this little C15-60 Rotrex and the fuel system I've put together can easily support 200+ hp. Change the blower, raise the fuel pressure, lower the compression with forged pistons, and drop in some beefier rods and you're looking at 300+. So, how fast do you want to go??

Yeah, I can dig the ToroCharger (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/cool.gif)

jcpate, Jun 2 2007, 08:24 AMI learned the hard way many years ago that moving up in HP is not always a great plan, (was and still am a Ford Mustang fan), Other parts are effected like the transmission for starters.. the clutch, drive train parts ect.. also the overall drive ability comes into play, sometimes too much is great for the track and overkill for the street.. Power only available in an RPM too high to run everyday.. Supercharging a VFR is new territory on a bike, for me, with weight Vs. Hp being very different... but given the issues, I still enjoy a blast of power now and then, and very interested in realizing a VFR's potential... the little boy in me is still alive and well (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

toro1, May 31 2007, 11:43 AM

lorenzo, May 30 2007, 03:31 PMWell if you're thinking of taking orders, then I'm up for one if the price is right. I can also act as some kind of UK demonstrator for your product, getting free upgrades etc as and when you develop them, you'd benefit in the long run I'm sure...
Keep up the good work, you're so close. What we really need is a dyno print out, something we can all swoon over!

Thanks Lorenzo, a UK demo guy would be great. As said above, though, I've got to get it going first. Believe me, as soon as a dyno sheet is available, you guys will know (with an accompanying video).

And once again, thanks to everyone for the compliments, you really help keeping me on track!

vfroem, Jun 2 2007, 05:02 PMCount me in for Holland !
This will be my next project... (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)

vfroem, Jun 2 2007, 11:02 PMCount me in for Holland !
This will be my next project... (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)

Dutchy, Jun 2 2007, 10:03 PM

vfroem, Jun 2 2007, 11:02 PMCount me in for Holland !
This will be my next project... (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)

Nah... 1st we want to see your current project run!!! After taking so much weigth off, you wanna put weight back on? (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/unsure.gif)
With the FLAF on it's way over to our shores (right Enzed?), you better get the bike ready for the signing ceremony (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

TurboPackMule, Jun 2 2007, 01:26 PMHiya Mr. McKinnon! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/beer.gif)

Flightar, Jun 3 2007, 11:17 AMHey Toro, VFRD members should get a complete kit priced at say $500.00...Just kidding.

toro1, Jun 4 2007, 11:44 AM<snip>

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The Phantom, Jun 1 2007, 12:29 AMLike selling a TBR/Wolf custom system, then selling the bike, huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif) Hi there Brandon, you've been laying low.

RedViffer93, Jun 3 2007, 10:19 PMIs it possible to put a clutch in to allow the charger to be turned on and off ?????

jcpate, Jun 4 2007, 11:11 PMToro, have you got some idea's how to cover that belt? A guard perhaps? Check out this image on a supercharged R1. Looks slick... and functional.

nominal_squid, Jun 5 2007, 08:58 AM

RedViffer93, Jun 3 2007, 10:19 PMIs it possible to put a clutch in to allow the charger to be turned on and off ?????

I'm sure it would be possible, most likely using an electric clutch a la automotive AC compressor...although then the non-moving compressor section and any intercooling devices would seem to become a major impediment to non-pressurised intake air. The Rotrex probably does not make as much parasitic drag as say, a Roots-style blower, so I don't think there'd be too much to be gained from turning it off.

Just my $0.02... (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/biggrin.gif)

bmonnig, Jun 4 2007, 09:29 PMYeah, been away for a while. Been trying the Guzzi / KTM / Suzuki / Yamaha / thing. And now it looks like I might be migrating back this way, towards a 98-01 VFR 800. Good to hear from some familiar people!

Kitesurfer, Jun 5 2007, 10:55 AMRather than repeat all the compliments (with which I wholeheartedly agree) I would like to add that the photography, spelling and grammar are equally worthy of praise. From one engineer to another, it's amazing how the perceived quality of any product can suffer through bad presentation, and yours is first rate. Well done on all accounts.

Rob

toro1, Jun 5 2007, 09:00 AM

jcpate, Jun 4 2007, 11:11 PMToro, have you got some idea's how to cover that belt? A guard perhaps? Check out this image on a supercharged R1. Looks slick... and functional.

...and expensive! I have thought of making some kind of shroud, but am unsure how necessary one would be since the whole unit is covered by the bodywork. I'll cross that bridge when I get there. The shroud & drive assembly in that picture ain't cheap though, that's for sure.

captainchris13, Jun 5 2007, 01:37 PMcould you use a clutch to turn it off and on while linking the on/off signal as a digital input to the computer to switch maps or would it work just fine as you would be back at the stock map (stock intake vacuum level)?

dont you only have to extend the fuel/spark map off the edges of where it is originally to include a pressure condition which it wasnt mappped for before?
-- I think you're describing some fancy computer work here, Chris...

are you going to run a MAP sensor or an Airflow sensor?
-- MAP sensor

SilVFR, Jun 5 2007, 01:48 PMHow do you keep the belt from walking off the pullies?
-- Flanges, they're being made now. Take a look at the pulleys -- the stepped, angled landing on the front and back faces will accept the flange. I just wanted to mock everything up first...

jcpate, Jun 5 2007, 05:51 PMI'm interested in seeing how much the belt will interfere with the faring and what will be cut out vs. what will remain...cosmetics in general.
-- It should look quite inconspicuous. If you want a billet guard that sticks outside the fairing, well, anything's possible.

jcpate, Jun 5 2007, 03:51 PMFinal thought, It will be interesting the fuel mileage after the "Torocharger" is in place under a low boost or road trip situation..

veefer800canuck, Jun 6 2007, 12:25 PMFuel economy will suffer. Greater frictional losses turning the blower, more air being moved = more fuel being burned @ same RPM at steady state cruising, etc.



But who cares! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

toro1, Jun 6 2007, 12:44 PMHere's the upper bracket, just off the machine.

veefer800canuckFuel economy will suffer...But who cares! :thumbsup:

Thank you Rob!

Here's the upper bracket, just off the machine. This part bolts where the oil cooler bracket used to reside & will very rigidly tie-in and locate the top of the supercharger bracket.

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It's actually two parts - I need to get the lower section welded to the top section, but otherwise, it's ready to go.

SEBSPEED, Jun 5 2007, 10:07 PMIf you lived a little closer, I could do some welding for you... maybe when you start producing kits you can send the kit parts in bulk, so I can "work off" the cost of one kit for myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/warranty.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/goofy.gif)

Dan, Jun 6 2007, 07:40 PMAhh, to touch greatness just once....

I'm close enough to Doylestown, PA to ride down and help wrench for a weekend if you wanted the help. I'd feel like Marty McFly in Back to the Future. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)

Let me know if your interested. I'm pretty capable and very, very detail oriented. Heck, for this project I'd be happy to just stand there and pass tools.

Best,

Dan

supraman66, Jun 7 2007, 02:21 AMYou should offer the PAIR covers to members. I've often thought of blocking off the these valves, but don't have any way to machine them. what would a set cost us?

zRoYz, Jun 7 2007, 05:44 AMtoro1 can I have one please, what else am I going to say (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

if you where ever going to offer some kits what do you think might be ball park $$

toro1, Jun 7 2007, 08:03 AM

SEBSPEED, Jun 5 2007, 10:07 PMIf you lived a little closer, I could do some welding for you... maybe when you start producing kits you can send the kit parts in bulk, so I can "work off" the cost of one kit for myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/warranty.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/goofy.gif)

Well Seb, I could send you an unwelded kit at discount price, though with the new intake design I have in mind, there's very minimal welding involved -- should be much easier to make than the intake going on my bike.

SEBSPEED, Jun 7 2007, 02:07 PMSweet! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif) Now to get this sucker running! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/wheel.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/beer.gif)

veefer800canuck, Jun 5 2007, 08:25 PM

jcpate, Jun 5 2007, 03:51 PMFinal thought, It will be interesting the fuel mileage after the "Torocharger" is in place under a low boost or road trip situation..

Fuel economy will suffer. Greater frictional losses turning the blower, more air being moved = more fuel being burned @ same RPM at steady state cruising, etc.



But who cares! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

SilVFR, Jun 5 2007, 10:48 AMHow do you keep the belt from walking off the pullies?

I can tell you this, forum members & especially anyone who has posted in this thread would get a discount

toro1, Jun 7 2007, 12:03 PM

zRoYz, Jun 7 2007, 05:44 AMtoro1 can I have one please, what else am I going to say (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

if you where ever going to offer some kits what do you think might be ball park $$

Well, you said the magic word...so I guess you can have one (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/cool.gif)

I really don't know what the final price might be since I'm still making and buying parts! Depending on how many kits I could sell, the price can vary greatly. If I can amortize the setup, material, and purchased goods cost over 25 kits, it would be a lot less money than if I produce 10 kits, or 5 kits, or 1 kit. Basically, the more people that want one, the cheaper it gets for everybody. I can tell you this, forum members & especially anyone who has posted in this thread would get a discount, but until I get this thing done (and running!) & have a chance to look everything over, I can't even give you a ballpark estimate.

SGVridgerunner, Jun 8 2007, 04:38 PMThough I haven't read every post, I have noticed some FSAE references. What team are you/were you on Toro?

zRoYz, Jun 9 2007, 01:19 AMI would be looking to install onto a VFR750 which is carby but more or less same motor layout, so in layman's terms if I bought the 800 fuel injection & electronics I could use same design with maybe some tweaks here & there. I have just started to return my track VFR750 back to a road bike (new track bike bought CBR1000RR) & want the 750 to be very different & a one off without going to extreme because I do like the standard overall look & all it really needs is more hp. I don't want turbo & big bore kit is allot of $$ for very little gain, so you can understand mine & everybody else's interest in your undertaking.

Dan, Jun 9 2007, 10:29 AMI forget if it's been discussed in the thread already (if so, sorry) but don't superchargers typically provide a 50% power gain at sustainable PSI's?

It sounds like you are talking about a 20HP gain which seems a bit off for an S/C.

Dan, Jun 9 2007, 04:35 PMIs a 50% gain what you are anticipating? I recall that your prediction was for 20%. Dan confused. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)

Dan

PS: A 150 HP VFR... OH MY GAWD! You would have people lining up to buy a kit from you for miles. Talk about a sleeper.

toro1, Jun 9 2007, 06:08 AM

SGVridgerunner, Jun 8 2007, 04:38 PMThough I haven't read every post, I have noticed some FSAE references. What team are you/were you on Toro?

I was on the PSU team from '03-'05. Both years I was there we came in 6th overall, placing highly in the driving & design events. The year after I left, they ended up finishing 2nd. I had a great experience on that team, and learned that the lighter you can make something, the better (we had the lightest 4-cylinder car by something like 40-50 lbs -- with fuel, we clocked in at 380 lbs). Everyone wondered how we kept the weight so low (much like some people on this board wondering how to shave pounds off the VFR), and I'll tell you what, every little bit counts & adds up, which is why we drilled out titanium bolts and made our foot pedals out of titanium sheet.

The past week has been frustrating. Parts I need still haven't come in, and everything I do seems to take longer than expected. Oh well, I've just got to keep plugging along. Here's what's new:

I figured out where the gauges needed to go, grabbed some sheet aluminum, layed out a design, and cut away:

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Brought them back to the house, drilled the top tree, painted everything, and bolted them up:

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I so badly wanted to have a shot with everything in place, all lit up, but the wiring is insane and I couldn't get it done tonight. I have so many wires going to so many places, it's really hard to keep track of everything -- it's like a jigsaw puzzle figuring out what has to go where and how it all fits together cleanly & properly. A few more hours tomorrow and I should have it done. Wondering what those little holes in the left bracket are for yet?

Now for everybody that was wondering how it was going to be done...

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I had to get the pulleys hard anodized first. Machining the stainless flanges came next, and they were then heated significantly & dropped on the pulleys. I allowed them to slowly cool back to room temp and shrink onto the pulley, into the machined groove -- they are going nowhere fast. The 20º inside angle is per Gates and should allow smooth tracking even if the pulleys are out of alignment slightly.

Finally, I'll post up some pics of the completed exhaust and O2 sensor.

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Hey, where are the wires? There's actually a huge connector hidden behind the foot guard and I was able to thread the rest of the wire through an existing hole in the engine block.

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You have no idea how badly I want to hear this thing roar. It's so close, yet so far away. I still need the radiator bracket machined, I need to make the idler, the intake and upper bracket need to be welded, the intake connector tubing needs to be completed, I've got to remount the coils, yadda yadda yadda, hopefully it won't be too much longer... :blink:

First off, thank you so much for your kind words Dan -- I take your compliments to heart. To think that I just thought I was a kid souping up his bike...wow. I hope I don't let you down. :blink:

Finally, finally, finally, I got the gauges done. I thought I was going to go crazy on more than one occasion trying to keep everything straight...

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...but I got it figured out.

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To record data with the Wideband Commander, you simply flip the toggle switch down; the LED I wired in comes on to let you know when you're recording and when you're not. The housing taped to the top is the knock light/shift light -- it will be permanent once I get the bodywork back from paint.

It was too dark to get any good pictures of this setup, but I have to admit, it looks trick in person. What you can't see are the gauge cups that match & blend in with the rest of the bike -- I wanted just the faces to draw attention, and that's what I ended up with.

Here's a final shot in the dark with the gauges lit and the knock light showing red:

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tinyminds, Jun 22 2007, 01:26 AMBeen watching progress throughout the post, outstanding working and detail. Have shown many of non-VFRD'ers this post and watched them in 'ah'. The machining work is pristine. Looking forward to seeing the outcome! (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/fing02.gif)

The Phantom, Jun 22 2007, 02:53 AMOK time for another question - I assume the supercharger puts very little load on the drive system at idle, so the starter motor won't have to work any harder to kick the thing over? Reason I ask is that the starter clutch can crack after a while; say 50k miles of service. Mine went at about that mileage.

chris2992, Jun 25 2007, 10:20 AMWeekend updates? I'm doing my best to be patient.

Dan, Jun 25 2007, 11:08 AMOk, I want you to get to the end of this sentence, read the next sentence and close your eyes and repeat the next sentence to yourself ten times (10 TIMES). (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)

"Tonight I am going to be more inspired than ever before and come up with an exceptionally creative solution to my problem."

thereisnospoon, Jun 25 2007, 12:49 PM

Dan, Jun 25 2007, 11:08 AMOk, I want you to get to the end of this sentence, read the next sentence and close your eyes and repeat the next sentence to yourself ten times (10 TIMES). (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/smile.gif)

"Tonight I am going to be more inspired than ever before and come up with an exceptionally creative solution to my problem."

"And take lots of pictures to post tomorrow" (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/491.gif)

sesandAnd..... we've reached a new low :blink:

:lol:

Hey, people are just excited, right?

Anyway, I figured out the intake (yes Dan, I think your technique worked :thumbsup: ). First, let me show you the original plan:

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As nice as it would be to run the intake along the side, it just isn't happening. You can see here that while it looks like there's room, remember that the silicone 90 is sticking inside the plenum about an inch, so when you put it in its required location, the bend becomes less than ideal. Also, the T-piece, which I thought would simplify things, only made the setup more complicated and crowded. Thus, we look at design #2:

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It's oh-so-simple -- a silicone 45 will come off the blower (aluminum in picture) and attach to an aluminum 90 (silicone in picture), which then will meet up with a close-radius cast aluminum 90-degree elbow (not pictured) and go straight into the top of the plenum box. Equal air distribution and fewer parts are the results of this revised intake, as well as smooth bends & easy assembly.

The only downside is now I have to weld a nipple onto the aluminum section for the bov, but that's no biggie. Pictured below is where the oil canister and bov will go:

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Hey, it's ready to run! -- okay, maybe only in my mind, but it's starting to resemble a completed bike once again.

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Chev, Jun 26 2007, 04:12 PMMan, that looks good.

You must be hoping to get a few rides in while the summer is still hot, because your on target to being "done" before we know it.

toro1, Jun 27 2007, 02:03 AMI'm tryin' Zack, because it sure would be nice to have these long days for tuning sessions. I'm well past the original deadline I set, so I guess the deadline is now sometime before summer's over -- whenever that may be. (IMG:style_emoticons/oldemoticons/rolleyes.gif)

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Old cooler on top, new cooler on bottom. Pretty self explanatory, no?

BTW, the new cooler is about half the thickness of the old one.

The last of the major fabrication is done. All that's left to do is make a few brackets here and there, and put her back together. Take a look see:

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amazes me that there are no issues w/ clearance w/ the gas tank... can't wait to see the finished product!

I'm wondering about difficulty or ease of install. I'm sure I'd need some help with some stuff.

Just a thought, I'm not sure how you're planning on configuring the kit, but maybe set something up that doesn't include the actual supercharger. From a financing perspective, you won't be putting your cashflow into an inventory of actual blowers, you could just spec out the unit required. Then a group buy could potentially be set up with rotrex.

...it's likely that the largest expense would be the blower itself.

eeerrrr... uummm... well?????? 5th gen kit please

I know you are planning on a 98 + kit but I am hesitant about slapping on a kit designed for a 5th gen bike onto a VTEC setup. Will there be a 6th Gen test bike to make sure this will work? I am not the expert here but I do know that fuel mapping is VERY important in forced air setups.

Toro, I read recently that CBR1100XX injectors could be used. Did you look into this?

HP of the XX was 137 from the factory, seems close to what you are putting out.

Compressor AND Turbo!!!! :thumbsup:

I puchesd a supercharger kit form calisuperbikes.com for my zx10r. haveing vary hard time getting all of the parts from them my concern would be the crank outrigger ,and pully. I have the rotex part and bullshit airbox no bov ,fuel pump or drive belt. The rotex unit has a 70mm 7 rib pully. The zx10 crank cover and bering looks to be right, but the crank outrigger is to narrow for the opening in the bering . Maybe this outrigger belongs to dif type bike. DO NOT BUY FROM CALISUPERBIKES, memeber on gixxer.com had some issues with jason at calisuperbikes. I found out after my deal. if youl could help let me know thanks.

Holy WOW! So I've been away from the forum for a while and this is what happens when I'm gone!!! TORO how do I get on the list? 2004 VFR waiting for a Torosupercharger.... and the owner is a little stoked at the idea too. Has a price point been discussed? Time line for manufacturing? Let me know if you need my personal info to secure a kit.

toro1, Mar 22 2008, 08:44 AMand once I can get my hands on a 6th-gen, that kit will follow as well.

toro1, Mar 22 2008, 10:44 AMPrice point: Unsure of that right now (if I have to ballpark it, plan on price landing somewhere between $4-6k, with a possible discount for the initial run of kits)

toro1, Apr 7 2008, 04:31 PMFor anyone wondering about the price, remember this -- the supercharger itself is close to $2000, and there are over 25 different parts being CNC'd, with the total number of machined parts numbering at least twice that. Throw in the hardware, anodizing, filters, o-rings, etc. etc, and then a tiny bit for me, and you can start to see where the expense is coming from.

I could make this kit cheaper by outsourcing parts to China, but I personally don't believe in doing that and very much like to support the local shops. I can guarantee that you will never once have to worry about the quality of this kit, and I have invested far too many engineering hours for it to be anything but perfect.

Just remember that you get what you pay for, and in this case, that means a 50% power boost.

toro1, Apr 7 2008, 11:31 AMFor anyone wondering about the price, remember this -- the supercharger itself is close to $2000, and there are over 25 different parts being CNC'd, with the total number of machined parts numbering at least twice that. Throw in the hardware, anodizing, filters, o-rings, etc. etc, and then a tiny bit for me, and you can start to see where the expense is coming from.

I could make this kit cheaper by outsourcing parts to China, but I personally don't believe in doing that and very much like to support the local shops. I can guarantee that you will never once have to worry about the quality of this kit, and I have invested far too many engineering hours for it to be anything but perfect.

Just remember that you get what you pay for, and in this case, that means a 50% power boost.

SEBSPEED, Apr 3 2008, 05:26 PMHey Dan, will you take a bike in trade for a kit? I've got an F4i and it's all yours!


I can dream, can't I? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Shoot, I'd probably throw in my 954 too...

toro1, Apr 7 2008, 08:31 AMI could make this kit cheaper by outsourcing parts to China, but I personally don't believe in doing that and very much like to support the local shops.

Btw, maybe been asked before but are you developing guidelines for the motors? Mileage, minimum compression figures, anything along those lines? I just ticked over 50K on my '99, for $5K it might be worth it to spend another $1K for a freshened motor with new rings, valve work or other. Or maybe not?

toro1, May 12 2008, 07:47 PMHey guys, sorry I haven't posted here lately (lotsa work + big decisions = lost time). I'll try to answer some questions for you...

The development period has been extended due to forces out of my control. While the kit has been completely designed & engineered, I'm still awaiting key components needed to get the bike running again. It's always been my intent to update progress once I had enough to show you all, and I still intend to do just that, so stay patient.

In terms of power, I don't want to stick my foot in my mouth here, but I expect the updated kit to put down an honest 150hp at the wheel (depending on exhaust choice & dyno, of course). Brandon, the Busa will kill this bike in the torque department, but the power-to-weight ratio should be quite close. In the real world, the bike never feels underpowered. Even lugging it in 6th gear, it feels like it's a gear down and power is at the ready. It will instantly loft the front wheel from any rpm in 2nd gear, and comes up with ease in 3rd (granted, I do have steeper than stock gearing, but I could never do the things I can do now with the stock setup).

John, the beefier clutch springs have been installed, and while the lever pull is tougher than stock, it's not too bad. I can't report yet on how much better it performs with them installed, though.

Nymbyss, believe me, I was not trying to pull a wheelie in that video as my camera was precariously mounted. Nevertheless, the huge bump in power caused the front end to rise like it did. Oh, and my speedometer has been calibrated with the speedohealer, so what you see is not fudged by gearing. The acceleration is so much fun to experience since the boost never stops building -- where with the stock setup the power plateaus and falls off, the supercharged setup gives the sensation of neverending power. It's addicting.


I really hope to have some nice new pictures to show in the upcoming weeks, so until then, everybody have fun riding (because I know I won't be...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) )

toro1, May 26 2008, 01:14 PMThanks everybody -- I promise some fun things in the next 3 weeks.

toro1, May 26 2008, 03:14 PMThanks everybody -- I promise some fun things in the next 3 weeks.

JES_VFRStill waiting........ :fing02:

Fine John, I wanted to keep this a surprise until I got everything anodized, but you now have left me no choice...

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I have been really really busy lately.

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Looking at your turbo bracket I'd subtract the triangle cut out for lightnest and add the metal back for

strength... this beautiful machined aluminum piece looks crank prone to me in that junction...

This thread has gone on for so long it has become boring. There has been good solid innovation when something new is posted then another long delay before the next installment. Gets to the road-going prototype then the longest delay of all. I could not imagine what was taking so long since it all seemed just fine. Since it was mainly cnc all Toro needed to do was stick in another chunc of ally, register the job center & press Go to make more. Then he teased us with a photo of the intercooler.

Now he shows those exquisite plenums. I do a bit of cnc occasionally and appreciate the workmanship. Those chamfers on the edges are a ballache to do but it makes the job stand out. Exquisite work there Toro but get this thing done already.

Don't agree with BLS. You have cut out unfunctional material around the neutral axis. Have to acknowledge that vibration induced cracking may develop.

BusyLittleShopLooking at your turbo bracket I'd subtract the triangle cut out for lightnest and add the metal back for

strength... this beautiful machined aluminum piece looks crank prone to me in that junction...

That's 0.500" thick 7075, with generous corner radii. If that bracket cracks, then something has gone incredibly wrong.

BeckWow! fantastic machining. those parts look great and robust. I was wondering whether you considered using CF/Composite for some of these, like the intake lower box you show here. Would it come out cheaper than doing this all in machined aluminum billet? There seems to be a lot of machining labor time and material with those bigger/more complicated billet parts.

Beck

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Believe it or not Beck, it is still cheaper to machine those parts out of aluminum than it is out of CF/composite or to have it cast, unless of course I start selling vast quantities. Plus, who said I wasn't making certain parts out of carbon fiber?...

JES_VFRIs that plenum for stage two, or is that still to come??!?!

John, that plenum was designed for both "stages" as it can accept an intercooler or simply the intake hat. I had to do quite a bit of design work to figure out an airbox that would perform a double function like that, but I think it's going to work out great. Plus, it will let an existing customer in the field upgrade their kit, if they ever want to, without having to buy different parts.

tok tokkieThis thread has gone on for so long it has become boring. There has been good solid innovation when something new is posted then another long delay before the next installment. Gets to the road-going prototype then the longest delay of all. I could not imagine what was taking so long since it all seemed just fine. Since it was mainly cnc all Toro needed to do was stick in another chunc of ally, register the job center & press Go to make more. Then he teased us with a photo of the intercooler.

Now he shows those exquisite plenums. I do a bit of cnc occasionally and appreciate the workmanship. Those chamfers on the edges are a ballache to do but it makes the job stand out. Exquisite work there Toro but get this thing done already.

Don't agree with BLS. You have cut out unfunctional material around the neutral axis. Have to acknowledge that vibration induced cracking may develop.

Sorry to disappoint, Ralph. I still have to work in order to afford this development, thus my time is stretched thin. Plus, every part (and I mean every single part) of the first prototype has been redesigned for this kit. I refuse to offer a subpar product to anyone, and that meant tweaking of what I had already done.

Again, that cut-out portion of the bracket has the same bending resistance as the lower portion of the bracket and even greater torsional rigidity. I can't forsee it ever becoming a problem as it is already over-engineered.

Also, as far as the ETA for the kits is concerned, wait until I get the bike running again. I hate making promises I can't keep...

WackenSSI was wondering about this "FI" suddenly showing up! Did you get it sorted ot? do you know where the bug was? How about Sprockets for this kit, wil there be bigger front sprocket included in the kit?

Oh yeah, that was sorted a while ago. The light came on due to the MAP sensor seeing positive pressure (that is, boost). No sprocket change necessary, though I currently run the bike with -1 front/+2 rear, which makes the front end very light, very often. :goofy:

khepI can only hope that the individuals that committed to buying a Torocharger will follow through. There obviously has been an enormous amount of time and effort in fine tuning this "product". Don't let the man down.

Well, no one has really committed to anything yet. I just saw demand coming from all over the place and thought I'd give it a shot. Despite having an excellent hp/$ ratio, it's not going to be a cheap kit, but then again, you get what you pay for. The 5th-gen was developed first as that is the bike I own, but there is obviously more business in the 6th-gen marketplace.

I look at this upgrade in the following manner: if you love your bike (like I do) -- the way it rides, the comfort it has, the uniqueness that comes with having a V4, gear driven cams (or VTEC), & a single sided swingarm, the exhaust note to die for -- and find yourself wanting the power that the current big boys have, this is the best, most affordable route to go. Even with a good trade-in or sale price, adding a supercharger to your current ride is still cheaper than buying new or slightly used, and you get to keep the bike you know and love.

Obviously this is not a mod for everyone, as quite a few riders are more than happy with their bike's performance. Rather, this is for the riders who want something different, something more. It will not net you better fuel mileage, it will not improve your handling, and it will not transform your VFR into a GP bike, but it will put the biggest, stupidest grin on your face every time you twist the throttle, and that, to me, is what it's all about.

rangerscott69

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If the blower stops, there is zero airflow and the motor stops running. Unless you are MadMax with the last of the V8 interceptors and that magical supercharger nob on the shifter!

Wouldnt the air flow from the engine be able to still rotate the blades. Just like how wind going through fan blades (thats turned off).

Yes, you could run it without the belt attached. The outlet of the supercharger has 1.5" ID hole, and it can pull air past the impeller blades. If you really wanted to bypass the blower, you can always just unhook the tubing from the outlet, too. The question now becomes, why?

The way this system is set-up, while cruising or under part throttle conditions, it's just like having a stock bike as the boost is bypassed and there's virtually no parasitic load from the supercharger. In other words, ride it normal and it will get the same fuel mileage as stock.

In the past, the big roots blowers and earlier centrifugals didn't run any type of bypass, so essentially they were always compressing air and doing work (and sapping power from the engine). With the bypass, the impeller spins in a vacuum, doing no work, thus the power required to keep the roller-friction gearbox and small impeller spinning is minimal to say the least.

BlueFireIceIt's not like a fan, its an impeller of a centrifugal pump, there is not that much area for the air to pass through as it works off of pressure (boost). IF the bike did run it would not be very well....At all. And the engine, no matter how hard it could "suck" would ever turn the impeller on a supercharger, as they can easily have an impeller speed of 50,000RPM.

I too highly doubt the impeller would turn, and remember, this unit spins to 150,000 RPM! If the bike was run without the blower and nothing else changed, the mapping would be off and it certainly wouldn't be more efficient than running the supercharger at all times.

khepI can only hope that the individuals that committed to buying a Torocharger will follow through. There obviously has been an enormous amount of time and effort in fine tuning this "product". Don't let the man down.

Hey I've ridden with Dan, behind the prototype. You can bet that he will have my money as soon as I can scrape enough of it together.

vfrcapnPeople have committed? Without even knowing a price? This isn't a $100 farkle, we're in the price range of buying a whole new bike...I'm really interested but honestly, buying a $5K add-on to a 10 year old bike doesn't make much $ense to me. A 6th gen kit would seem a lot more marketable in the long run.

Ooooo, Yeah let's all run out and buy a bike that we don't like don't want and already feel is much less than our 8-10 year old bikes.

Then lets all spend even more of our hard earned cash on a performance product that will make it faster but still won't address the big three problems.

If I could not have the supercharger for my 01, it would not be the end of the world. To be sure there are other bikes in the world that tempt me all the time, but not a 6th gen.

No 6th gen will ever disgrace my garage.

Oh and before the inferno starts, I'm not against those of you that have 6th gens. I just can't stand the bike.

Sorry.

Dan, When? is still the big burning question.

I have just finished my own Supercharger project on a 2005 GSXR1000. Toro gave me some great advice and offered to help me where ever he could. I bought a CaliSuperbikes kit, got ripped off. he is a conartist... among other things. anyway back on track... it is a Rotrex Blower that has been designed from the ground up just like Toro did. Now its sporting an Intercooler attached to a new plenum, bigger injectors, PC3, Ignition module, Multi hub for boost monitoring, LCD screen. we reshaped the headers to allow a propper Air intake and ceramic coated the pipe to prevent the heat from the Headers. I just got it back from the Headers guy and rode it last night for about an hour, but in Traffic. It is terrifying to say the least. it goes in for Dyno tuning on Friday July 4th (not a holiday in Canada). It had 198hp before we redesigned the whole thing with the intercooler and propper intake. We think a realistic 215-225hp at 3400 ft elevation in Calgary Alberta Canada. I also wanted to say my finished product is no where near the fit and finish of Toro's. his is a work of art !

veefer800canuck

hoozelI have just finished my own Supercharger project on a 2005 GSXR1000. Toro gave me some great advice and offered to help me where ever he could. I bought a CaliSuperbikes kit, got ripped off. he is a conartist... among other things. anyway back on track... it is a Rotrex Blower that has been designed from the ground up just like Toro did. Now its sporting an Intercooler attached to a new plenum, bigger injectors, PC3, Ignition module, Multi hub for boost monitoring, LCD screen. we reshaped the headers to allow a propper Air intake and ceramic coated the pipe to prevent the heat from the Headers. I just got it back from the Headers guy and rode it last night for about an hour, but in Traffic. It is terrifying to say the least. it goes in for Dyno tuning on Friday July 4th (not a holiday in Canada). It had 198hp before we redesigned the whole thing with the intercooler and propper intake. We think a realistic 215-225hp at 3400 ft elevation in Calgary Alberta Canada. I also wanted to say my finished product is no where near the fit and finish of Toro's. his is a work of art !

Doesn't exist without links and pics! :warranty:

ask and you shall receive.... these are old pics from first design, i will get some new ones soon. oops wait cant post em. must have to donate to site. i have pics on other forums as well a Dyno sheet from old design on the edmonton sport riderz forum.

hoozelask and you shall receive.... these are old pics from first design, i will get some new ones soon. oops wait cant post em. must have to donate to site. i have pics on other forums as well a Dyno sheet from old design on the edmonton sport riderz forum.

Must upload pics to your gallery first, helpfile:

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Then insert in post using the gallery posting tool:

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veefer800canuck

hoozelask and you shall receive.... these are old pics from first design, i will get some new ones soon. oops wait cant post em. must have to donate to site. i have pics on other forums as well a Dyno sheet from old design on the edmonton sport riderz forum.

Must upload pics to your gallery first, helpfile:

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.p...E=01&HID=17

Then insert in post using the gallery posting tool:

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ahh got it thanks man !

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Its sporting the PC3 with a Multi Hub hooked into a GM3 bar Map, and Ignition Module. Wideband Commander to go in soon with LCD interface.

This dyno was done with Ignition retarding quite heavily, the tuner was scared to dyno it, he didnt have much experience with a Blower. So it is extremely rich and ignition retarded till we could finish the redesign. I will post new pics and the new Dyno after Friday the 4th.

Baileyrock

veefer800canuckThat's wild man. You'll be putting out more HP than the WSB bikes do!

And the bottom end will be spectacular. smile.gif

I don't know, with only 105 HP at 7k it might be a little sluggish. :fing02:

Just what I need, a GSXR 1k with more power! :unsure:

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Nice job Tyler. I forget, are you running a C15-60 on there? The reason I ask is that you are very close to maxing the blower out if that is indeed the model. I can't wait to see what you come up with after the next dyno session.

I'm helping out another one of calisuperbike's customers now; he's got a ZX-10R and actually got shafted worse than you. Let's just hope his turns out as well as yours did.

toro1Nice job Tyler. I forget, are you running a C15-60 on there? The reason I ask is that you are very close to maxing the blower out if that is indeed the model. I can't wait to see what you come up with after the next dyno session.

I'm helping out another one of calisuperbike's customers now; he's got a ZX-10R and actually got shafted worse than you. Let's just hope his turns out as well as yours did.

Yes i beleive it is the C15-60. Thanks so much for helping out with advice. Its really good of you to take the time to help us out. Yeah,maybe one day i will catch up with Jason Keats. he even scammed a guy a complete bike, that guy pressed charges i heard. might be why the website is now down. Man that guy could sure sell. what got me was that articale in Super Streetbike magazine. I was like, well he made it into a magazine he has to be trustworthy and must have a good product..... umm no.

Once again i would have never got it done without your advice and a couple local turbo guys.

Okay, if you find out that you can't pull any more power out of your bike, it's probably time to upgrade the supercharger to a C30 series. The blower is beyond its limit, as can be seen from the dyno graph where it maxes out at 11,500. Even if you keep the same boost ratio, just by stepping up to the C30-74 you'll see substantial power increases due to much increased efficiency and breathing room of the supercharger, and should put peak power somewhere in the 230-240 range, and peak boost just under 9psi. If you choose to increase the boost to say, 12psi max, then the power jumps to over 260, maybe even approaching 275 under the right conditions. Whoa mama.

veefer800canuckdOOd, If I weren't married with children, I'd be all over the SC kit. sad.gif

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Ok here is some pics of the Second Gen design, we did lots of work customizing the fairings to fit. It now looks like a stock bike almost.... except the blower area had to be cut out. So i am gonna need dome custom fiberglass work.

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I have come across a problem though. as the wheel lifts into the air, which it does quite a bit now. I found out that the Blue cap on the Oil resevoir no matter how tight you have it, is not sealed. it is a breather cap, so oil likes to flow over everything..lol. yeah bike was smoking all of a sudden, I got off and went "uh oh this is gonna be expensive" ! but it turned out to be the traction fluid. So we are gonna need a machined cap that is sealed with a nipple in the top, attach a breather line and run that to a higher point, maybe up front with dash or something. If you can come up with a cap, i will for sure wire you money for one. I have lost my machining contact. lol.

The mods look good. :fing02:

As for the breather cap, even though I oftentimes also have a "light" front end, I never have oil come out. You need no more than for the reservoir to be half full -- is your filled more than that? If so, take some of that fluid out of there and see how it works.

dOOd, If I weren't married with children, I'd be all over the SC kit.

Rob, just start saving a penny here and a $100 bill there, and it'll add up in no time.

tok tokkie

veefer800canuckdOOd, If I weren't married with children, I'd be all over the SC kit. sad.gif

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There was a guy on a local board who was in a similar predicament. He posted a thread titled "Can I mow your lawn?" Rob you will have to take on some additional gainful employ to finance this project. Posted more in jest than seriousness.

Oh believe me, I make enough money, I easily could find the funding by deferring something. Heck, I'm spending about 15 grand redoing the kitchen this year. Got no car payments, no credit card bills (oops, forgot, I do owe 815 bucks on my new snowblower, but that'll be done in December), house will be paid off at the end of August, etc.

It's just that the basic understanding as to why I NEED this sort of a mod is way beyond her capability to understand.

You know all those cool hardcover coffee table books they sell on superbikeplanet.com? Like Valentino Rossi's autobiography, "What if I had never tried"? And Julian Ryder's "MotpGP In camera"? Yeah, those type of books I'd like to get for my birthday, or maybe Christmas? You know, those books I don't have, and never will get, unless I buy them myself and get heck for spending our family's money on? sad.gif

Oh yeah, did I mention that she is allowed to do absolutely anything on the planet that isn't illegal or immoral? Just that she doesn't choose to do (insert activity here). Not my fault. :shrugs:

Cheaper than a new bike anyhow, right? :blink:

Well after custom tuning, which was delayed by a faulty fuel pump. I drove 350kms with no fuel pressure, lucky i had laptop and i richened it up huge. So with big 35lb injectors and me adjusting it, i hobbled into town at about 110kmh. Max speed. lol. So he spent day diagnosing instead of tuning, and said fuel pump bad. So mechanic found me a 50PSI pump replaced it for me. he then removed the Secondary Butterflies and proceeded to tune it. Now new problem came up. there was no reason to have big injectors stock ones would have flown enough fuel with only 6-8psi, he said you can squish the stock regulator, and they would probly be fine. I think because a GSXR1000 has 2 sets of injectors and the Shower ones only come on at the top 25%. So the stock would have been fine. oh well. So it is runing like ass in the bottom end, and kinda surges. But oh my god does it have power. 4th 5th 6th feel like 3rd gear. the accelleration is nuts. It put down about 205hp. Mechanic said its got another 15hp or so, but he said to keep it rich for safety. I have no problem with that, its more power than i can handle anyway. I will post the dyno sheet soon. Mechanic is a skilled Tuner with Boost and just Motor mods. James works for Walt Healy's in Calgary AB, and is the crewchief for Ethan Barkley a Champion Drag racer up here in Canada. they are running a 400+hp GSXR1000. its pretty insane. EBSPEED.com.

We are all itching to get our hands on this project. BUT how would we all feel if Dan had rushed the project just to pacify our cravings for the kit . He needed the time to sort out the gremlins not only in the hardware department but the other side being paperwork, shipping schedules, patents, blue prints etc, which would leave us to find that parts are not up to the job or the BHP rating is much lower than predicted. It takes time to create a great malt. Dan has spent the last 2+ years of his life designing and testing this project to create not just another bolt on blower but a methodically engineered work of art. It takes a person with great vision, skill and determination to pull off such an idea as this originally was.

The positive blogs from all you guys have been great to read and will only inspire him to keep on perfecting the kit to a point when he has reached perfection and we will all reap in the bountiful rewards. So, keep taking the patience pills a little while longer and really look forward to the launch.

What's that saying again, "good things come to those who wait?"

Let's just say that when the time is right, a whole slew of information will become available. In the meantime, though, I can tell you that the bike is running better than ever...

...way better than ever :fing02:

didit

toro1What's that saying again, "good things come to those who wait?"

Good things come to those who wait . . . . . but only what's left behind by those who hustle!

Believe me, we are all abaited breath for what you have in store for us. Your attention to detail and perfectionist ways will serve to a great, reliable product.

Now finish and share your toys :fing02:

Figured I would stop by and give this thread a :bump: It hasn't seen any action in the last twelve days. I am slowing putting the money away for one of these kits for the sixth gen when it comes out that is. I don't think that there should be that many adjustments for VTEC as there are many boosted Honda civics out there with VTEC.

black06vfr

didit

toro1What's that saying again, "good things come to those who wait?"

Good things come to those who wait . . . . . but only what's left behind by those who hustle!

Believe me, we are all abaited breath for what you have in store for us. Your attention to detail and perfectionist ways will serve to a great, reliable product.

Now finish and share your toys :comp13:

Figured I would stop by and give this thread a :bump: It hasn't seen any action in the last twelve days. I am slowing putting the money away for one of these kits for the sixth gen when it comes out that is. I don't think that there should be that many adjustments for VTEC as there are many boosted Honda civics out there with VTEC.

VTEC on Civics is completely different than on the bikes. The way the VTEC kicks in on a 6th gen radically changes breathing. Therefore any SC kit will have to be tuned accordingly. Dyno tuning 100% required.

I am still excite to see this come together. I placed my name on the board #2 in line as production starts a long time ago. I am sure it is worth the wait. Magellan Is going to be the lead installer with me trying to help and getting in the way. PM me when your ready for my shipping info. You are the man!

What's that saying again, "good things come to those who wait?"

Good things come to those who wait . . . . . but only what's left behind by those who hustle!

Believe me, we are all abaited breath for what you have in store for us. Your attention to detail and perfectionist ways will serve to a great, reliable product.

Now finish and share your toys :fing02:

Figured I would stop by and give this thread a :bump: It hasn't seen any action in the last twelve days. I am slowing putting the money away for one of these kits for the sixth gen when it comes out that is. I don't think that there should be that many adjustments for VTEC as there are many boosted Honda civics out there with VTEC.

VTEC on Civics is completely different than on the bikes. The way the VTEC kicks in on a 6th gen radically changes breathing. Therefore any SC kit will have to be tuned accordingly. Dyno tuning 100% required.

What's that saying again, "good things come to those who wait?"


Let's just say that when the time is right, a whole slew of information will become available. In the meantime, though, I can tell you that the bike is running better than ever...


...way better than ever http://www.vfrdiscus...tyle_emoticons/default/+1.gif

I don't have a dog in this fight (4gen); however, the "V" word is beginning to form on the tip of my tongue but...... I haven't said it! http://www.vfrdiscus...tyle_emoticons/default/+1.gif

Vaporware

what are you looking at for the cost of the kit and what would it cost to ship to the UK?

I'm curious to know, after all the heckling, how many people PM'ed you to confirm a purchase?

I'm curious to know, after all the heckling, how many people PM'ed you to confirm a purchase?

Enough to do a production run... :biggrin:

How long aprox 'till we see a 6th Gen ToroCharger?. If you don't mind me asking?. I'll have about $6000 at the end of January

How long aprox 'till we see a 6th Gen ToroCharger?. If you don't mind me asking?. I'll have about $6000 at the end of January

Hmm, I don't even want to hazard a guess on that one. If the 2 bikes are as similar as I think they are, not long. I'll just need to borrow someone's 6th-gen for a while.

Let's see how the 5th-gen kit works out first.

How long aprox 'till we see a 6th Gen ToroCharger?. If you don't mind me asking?. I'll have about $6000 at the end of January

Hmm, I don't even want to hazard a guess on that one. If the 2 bikes are as similar as I think they are, not long. I'll just need to borrow someone's 6th-gen for a while.

Let's see how the 5th-gen kit works out first.

Toro,


Let me use my 3,000th post to wish to success with your 1st production run! :unsure:



Dutchy

...I'll just need to borrow someone's 6th-gen for a while.

How long aprox 'till we see a 6th Gen ToroCharger?. If you don't mind me asking?. I'll have about $6000 at the end of January

Hmm, I don't even want to hazard a guess on that one. If the 2 bikes are as similar as I think they are, not long. I'll just need to borrow someone's 6th-gen for a while.

Let's see how the 5th-gen kit works out first.

so from the lack of action in this once frenzied thread is one to assume the torocharger is no more?
OR if i pay $5 will i get a happy ending (which is all 5th gen dudes have installed theirs and the 6th gen kit is JUST AROUND THE CORNER!!!)???

Sweet, just in time for tax return season! :laugh:

Guys and gals, as I've said all along, when the time is right and everything is ready, I promise something special.

That time is a few days away.


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--Dan

You know how VFR animals can be if they don't get fed tid bits regularly. :biggrin:

From the website:

Kit price is $5495 + shipping.

Toro Charger kit info and price

<Insert drooly emoticon here> I am still watching this for the 6th gen. FWIW...this kit looks fregin' awesome. Very much improved over the original kit all the way around. Damn fine job Toro! I would be tempted to ride around with the farings off. :fing02:

Edit: How you are going to find room for all of this with the ABS models is going to be an engineering feat by itself. :goofy:

THAT IS FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I need me one of those for sure. But how is going to be at higher elevations? Maybe you should come to the Denver/Dillion meet in Aug to show us and test it's performance at the higher elevations.

THAT IS FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I need me one of those for sure. But how is going to be at higher elevations? Maybe you should come to the Denver/Dillion meet in Aug to show us and test it's performance at the higher elevations.

Didn't you know? The beautiful thing this FI is that it does not suffer altitude losses like NA applications. Sure, you may lose a few hp but not enough for the butt dyno to notice. :cool:

Seriously, I don't want a new VFR (unless they shave off some serious weight and still keep sport + tourability) . I want my Torocharged 6th Gen. :ohmy:

Edit: I have no affiliation with Toro or his company. I am just very excited about seeing this fine piece of work mounted to my VFR. :ohmy:

Whatever became of the intercooler idea? Not enough room on the bike? Plumbing nightmare?

How about a VFRD Torocharger raffle for the first kit. :fing02:

How about a VFRD Torocharger raffle for the first kit. :fing02:

I think HS should win a kit... after all... it's his site that host the effort...

there was, but now its in RoYs hot little hands :)

Dang! When was this??

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I believe it was advertised here in the classifieds, RoY snapped it up, and it arrived down here a couple of weeks ago....

Good luck to him, he has good plans for it.. But dam it i want one too. Heheh

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does anybody know if similar mods can be done on VFR 1200 STANDARD AND AUTO

No-one has developed such a kit for the V12, no.

The Phantom

No-one has developed such a kit for the V12, no.

No .

Lionel

does anybody know if similar mods can be done on VFR 1200 STANDARD AND AUTO

Speed costs money. How fast you wanna go? :wink:

Ciao,

It's always good to make deadlines for "end of summer".