Give Your 5th-gen A Boost...

[image: View Post]motogpfan, on Mar 3 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

[image: View Post]motogpfan, on Mar 3 2009, 11:17 AM, said:

Toro,

Looking over pictures of your kit I don't see any injectors or a bigger oil cooler. I seem to recall you changed your injectors and added a bigger oil cooler. Maybe my memory is fading a little. You might have only installed bigger injectors.
My question is: are bigger injectors needed with this kit as it stands? The oil cooler might not be necc if you live in cooler climates?

vince

Serious looking stuff. I'm impressed!! Like the switch to the carbon overhead body... weight and space saving reasons I imagine.

So what sort of mileage do you get out of the bike on mixed riding over a tank of gas??? Does it add enough weight, and power for that matter, to consider stiffer fork /shockie springs??

Toro,

Another question for you would a PCII work or would you need the III?

vince

Toro,

Looking over pictures of your kit I don't see any injectors ...
vince

Vince, I originally installed larger injectors, but have since changed the fueling system setup. I now run the stock injectors with higher fuel pressure, and the rideability, fuel economy, and throttle response have all increased.

Whens the RC51 kit coming? :mellow: I'll drop it off whenever you want for R&D! :blink:

Toro, do you recommend cat-less headers / aftermarket exhuast? Or would this work fine with the stock gear?

Time for a few pages, in Cycle World.

How hard is it to keep the front wheel on the ground, now? LOL

As long as you're ready for the power and put some weight over the tank, keeping the front end down really isn't an issue...


...beyond 3rd gear. http://www.vfrdiscus...tyle_emoticons/default/wink.gif

[image: View Post]Snakeman, on Mar 7 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Q-Dawg, on Mar 5 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Whens the RC51 kit coming? :wheel: I'll drop it off whenever you want for R&D! :fing02:

I have been getting more requests for the RC now that the site has launched. It's certainly a possibility, but I do have other bikes lined up to receive kits first. If there's enough demand I'll make a kit for any bike, but without feedback it's very hard to gauge real interest.

Toro, do you recommend cat-less headers / aftermarket exhuast? Or would this work fine with the stock gear?

It should work fine with the stock exhaust, but just realize that with the supercharger, the more exhaust flow the better, which is why I'm kicking around the idea of making a full system with larger diameter tubing. There's certainly power to be gained by opening up the exhaust.

As it stands, catless '98-'99 headers are the best flowing pipes found on any VFR. I'll find out how much power is lost from the cat once I bolt a kit onto a '00-'01.

Again, a slip-on is not needed, but will certainly bump up the power output -- if you're able to gain an extra 5hp or so on a naturally aspirated motor, you can imagine what it will do with the supercharger. This is also why I don't quote actual hp increases, as bikes and dynos vary too much from one another to accurately nail down a number. However, a percentage increase I can quote, as boost is boost, and affects your engine's efficiency (changing the exhaust will only help to increase that efficiency).

Congrats on your milestone, Dan!

I've been following this with great interest since the very beginning: you announced your S/C intentions just as I was kicking around the idea of installing a turbo system onto my bike.

After watching your progress, researching on my own, and learning along with the others here on VFRD, I am convinced that you have created the perfect force-fed system for our bikes, with all the benefits of a turbo (efficiency), but with easier packaging and oiling system.

I've expressed my interest before in a 6th gen kit, and I am still a future buyer of such a kit, after it becomes available.

I agree, the 6th gen kit is probably going to end up selling more in the end, but there are a LOT of 5th gen bikes around yet!

I've already gotten the nod OK from the "boss", and that's most of the battle, isn't it?

Can't wait to see the 6th gen! :wheel:

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[image: View Post]toro1, on Mar 6 2009, 04:47 AM, said:

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Mar 18 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

toro1I would still like to build a system with larger diameter tubing and a nicer collector design to free up some more power from this engine.

And make it a left exit?? :biggrin:

toro1I would still like to build a system with larger diameter tubing and a nicer collector design to free up some more power from this engine.

I'm waiting... :biggrin:

Hey, you know what would make your bike even better? A front end swap! :beer:

vfrcapn

toro1I would still like to build a system with larger diameter tubing and a nicer collector design to free up some more power from this engine.

And make it a left exit?? :biggrin:

This I would buy!!! I'm sure it would be easy to make these for us 4th Gen guys, as the only real difference from research is the flange where the exhaust pipe connects.

I am wondering if the SC kit would fit to my 6th gen with the frame slider in place?

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Maybe...Toro still has to make one first. wink.gif

SEBSPEEDHey, you know what would make your bike even better? A front end swap! :cool:

Sebby, remember that package you sent me a few years ago? I had some components "tweaked" and it's only a matter of time now.

arrowI am wondering if the SC kit would fit to my 6th gen with the frame slider in place?

There's no way it would work with that style of frame slider as that sits right where the belt runs. If you want to run frame sliders, they would have to mount further outboard or more towards the rear of the bike, where the frame bolts to the engine.

toro1

arrowI am wondering if the SC kit would fit to my 6th gen with the frame slider in place?

There's no way it would work with that style of frame slider as that sits right where the belt runs. If you want to run frame sliders, they would have to mount further outboard or more towards the rear of the bike, where the frame bolts to the engine.

Never mind that the frame sliders pictures are basically useless, and guaranteed to crush your radiators on any impact....not where i would want a slider!

toro1

SEBSPEEDHey, you know what would make your bike even better? A front end swap! :angry:

Sebby, remember that package you sent me a few years ago? I had some components "tweaked" and it's only a matter of time now.

:blink: Glad to see you got the hint. :cool:

Dan....how many real orders for this kit so far, if you can share that??? Just curious.

I can gaurantee 1 when the 6th gen kit hits, for real.

TightwadNever mind that the frame sliders pictures are basically useless, and guaranteed to crush your radiators on any impact....not where i would want a slider!

Is that a guess or have you actually seen how they stand up to crash damage? The structure that the sliders are attached to is immensely strong and forms some kind of a bird cage around the engine so it (the structure) is very rigid and seems able to withstand impacts.

They are made by Bike Design from Belgium and their specialty is frame slider design.

Here is the link for the my sliders:

https://www.bike-design.com/detail.php?p=31...year=2004"]Bike Design VFR800 Sliders

Well, I guess I will have to remove them when Toro comes out with the 6 gen kit....

Hey, Dan - GREAT Job, Man! I've been checking your progress with consistent interest myself, and your final product looks Awesome. Unfortunately, I have to wait until you have a 6th Gen. on the shelf, too.

I checked online though, and noticed something - the distance from here to your shop is virtually the same as the Dyno'd horsepower of your 5th Gen Kit! Would you be open to a visit at some point for a first hand tour and some personal explanations? :cool:

Let me know - it would be something that I'd Really look forward to! :fing02:

Good luck with things, and do keep us 6th Gen guys in your thoughts. For those of us who get into it, it's hard to keep Your name away from Our thoughts...

Congrats, El Toro...!!! :pissed:

MakManI checked online though, and noticed something - the distance from here to your shop is virtually the same as the Dyno'd horsepower of your 5th Gen Kit! Would you be open to a visit at some point for a first hand tour and some personal explanations? :fing02:

We're open 5 days a week. Feel free to drop by and chat as we're all gearheads here.

Speaking of dropping by, if there are any '00-'01 owners in the area who have been considering a kit, please give me a shout, as I have an interesting offer for you.

toro1Speaking of dropping by, if there are any '00-'01 owners in the area who have been considering a kit, please give me a shout, as I have an interesting offer for you.

I've got an '01. Looks like you are about 11 hours away. Is that "in the area" enough?? :biggrin:

Toro, I have been looking at the Laminova oil cooler and I was wondering if it can be applied to 6th generation right away. I ride throughout summer in Istanbul and it can get quite hot here (the temperature between June and September averages 28°C / 82°F) made worse by really terrible traffic jams. It'd be nice to help the cooling. What do you think?

I've been riding VFRs since they were VFRs. '86. I love the power qualities, sound, handling, comfort and style. I have been frustrated by the lack of out right horsepower when trying to safely pass slower riders on faster bikes who redline it in the straights while parking it in turns. This is exactly the kind of power I've dreamed of. I'll start the rationalization process now in the hopes i can over come the sticker shock.

VFR Capt.BobI have been frustrated by the lack of out right horsepower when trying to safely pass slower riders on faster bikes who redline it in the straights while parking it in turns. This is exactly the kind of power I've dreamed of.

Probably the best reason for fitting the supercharger kit Ive seen - well put. That is exactly the number one problem with the stock VFRs power levels.

VFR Capt.BobI've been riding VFRs since they were VFRs. '86. I love the power qualities, sound, handling, comfort and style. I have been frustrated by the lack of out right horsepower when trying to safely pass slower riders on faster bikes who redline it in the straights while parking it in turns. This is exactly the kind of power I've dreamed of. I'll start the rationalization process now in the hopes i can over come the sticker shock.

It will also give those guys a real case of "WTF was that?" :ph34r:

...and so the justification has begun. Classic.

SC VFR :mad: wife/gf

But honey, my love, you just don't understand. This is an investment. You see, due to the increased horsepower, I will only have to use the throttle a little bit, just a fraction of what I was doing before. And, therefore my gas mileage should increase significantly, wear and tear on the intricate cables and stuff should also decrease dramatically too. You understand, right? This will save us a ton of money in the long run. Just think honey, after a few years the kit will pay for itself. After that, its all gravy. We can finally go on that trip you always wanted with all the extra money... ... ... ... :biggrin:

I think I just stumbled on the reason I am single. wink.gif

Eh? +1.gif For me it's more like: "Hey honey...I'm expecting a package today so if you beat me home can you check for it." :fing02: My girl doesn't care what I spend my money on. She's one of a kind.

landloverSounds like a great product, but have to ask you one question. When they design these bikes they know around how much power is going to the rear wheel and they put components that can handle that much power and a little more. With this supercharger the bike is going from around one hundred horse power to one hundred fifty horse power, that is a huge increase. Am by no means an expert but from what I have seen all the RR sport bikes do not have a single side swing arm and even in some brochures they mention dual swing arms are needed to handle the horse power. Sounds like a great product but these question should be asked, especially on a vehicle with only two wheels.

Speaking about the swingarm itself, there was a stunt team in calgary called Canadian Chaos.

They ran early model CBR900s fitted with VFR750 swingarms and wheels (for quick and easy tire changes).

Three and Four-up wheelies, miles-long burnouts, and as much abuse as you can heap on a Stunna bike and I asked the lads if they'd had any troubles with the swingarms.

Nope, nada, zilch. :fing02:

Oh, and one member here has fitted a SSSA to a CBR1100XX @ 137HP.

vanion2Eh? +1.gif For me it's more like: "Hey honey...I'm expecting a package today so if you beat me home can you check for it." :fing02: My girl doesn't care what I spend my money on. She's one of a kind.

I was lucky enough to find one of those... so I married her!

While I am waiting for the 6th Gen kit to become available I am ordering a .50 cal rifle to play with. :wub: +1.gif

arrowI am wondering if the SC kit would fit to my 6th gen with the frame slider in place?

Whaddya mean? Dan's kit is a frame slider (on the right side at least).

J/K!!

Ooooo, that would suck... :fing02:

wera803I've got an '01. Looks like you are about 11 hours away. Is that "in the area" enough?? :biggrin:

If you'd be willing to ship it or trailer it to PA, hit me up with a PM.

arrowToro, I have been looking at the Laminova oil cooler and I was wondering if it can be applied to 6th generation right away. I ride throughout summer in Istanbul and it can get quite hot here (the temperature between June and September averages 28°C / 82°F) made worse by really terrible traffic jams. It'd be nice to help the cooling. What do you think?

It would certainly help, but before you go spending money changing the cooling system around, I'd recommend swapping in some fresh coolant and adding some Water Wetter. Just add 4oz of the stuff to the coolant and you should see lower coolant temps. If that's not enough, you can always swap to a larger cooler off a bigger bike. Don't get me wrong, I'll gladly sell you a Laminova cooler, but it's just not necessary for your application, unlike a supercharged setup, where compact space & much greater cooling capacity is paramount.

toro1[it would certainly help, but before you go spending money changing the cooling system around, I'd recommend swapping in some fresh coolant and adding some Water Wetter. Just add 4oz of the stuff to the coolant and you should see lower coolant temps. If that's not enough, you can always swap to a larger cooler off a bigger bike. Don't get me wrong, I'll gladly sell you a Laminova cooler, but it's just not necessary for your application, unlike a supercharged setup, where compact space & much greater cooling capacity is paramount.

Thanks, much appreciated!

One breathing kit on its way, injectors shipping to U.S for calibration... There will be Christmas twice this year :blink:

In the process of buying this kit i have made toro1 sweat (or at least i wish to think so) with all my questions! There have been absolutely no doubt or hesitation in his answers!

I can not do anything else than recommend this man and his company, highly skilled and very very professional treatment is what i have experienced all the way from my first to my last post with him!

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED :excl: !!!

My best wish from me and my (soon to be; super-)bike!

Kenneth

[image: View Post]alvintc, on Apr 14 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

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Looks great, good to see that first kit out there and installed. It really looks like a nice set up, very well done.

BTW, not sure what the issue is but the image post doesn't seem to work in this thread? Tried to post from my galley also and just getting the html tags.

Way to go Kenneth -- you are officially the first customer EVER to install our kit on their bike. From your pics it looks like you did a tremendous job. Here's to (hopefully!) many trouble-free miles ahead :cool:

WackenSS

130 km's in, i let it loose... 1'th gear, just gone, 2'd: power wheelie with a good dose of ignition cut (yes, it came faster than i was expecting), third: i need a steering damper, 4'th god damn... it just no more road. Good thing i had new EBC brakes on all wheels, cause nothing can stop this one now. And the rideability is just better than stock. going slow on the gas, and just making it run along up to approx. 6000 is just as good as it can ever be. Going further, with little throttle makes it feel a bit lean on the mixture actually, but twist a bit more and it just comes back. This is just the best time i ever had on any of my bikes.

And it just feels so, so very very right. There is no sign of the bike not handling it, the feeling i have is just that this kit just adds what the bike never had, or should have had. It feels like it will just continue to be this good forever, strange as i know my mechanics and what force feeding an engine with this kind of compression can possibly do. There is no weak sign, it does not feel like anything is on the peak of what it can take.

I've tried to explain in the past what it feels like to ride a supercharged bike, but I think you've nailed it here. It's just a really fun powerband to play with, and that rev-limiter does come up awfully fast.

Best of luck on your trip.

--Dan

Is there another (cheaper) supercharger that can be utilized? Just wondering.

I'm about to get an an aneurysm from not having this kit.

Ranger, don't think too hard about it. Just open that cheque book... don't be like your colleague.

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Well there's a nice brand new '08 ninja 650r for a tad over $5 I'm looking at and I'm adding a/c and a turbo to my vehicle so I'm a little busy with spending money and time. ＬＯＬ

rangerscott69Is there another (cheaper) supercharger that can be utilized? Just wondering.

I'm about to get an an aneurysm from not having this kit.

Cheaper? No, unfortunately. Even more important though is the packaging of the beast -- the C15-60 fits perfectly in its location, and anything bigger would not fit without major work. The only other option is a turbo setup, and then we get into some heavy duty exhaust work, which would basically offset the $$$ savings over the supercharger. If we were producing more units, then the cost could be lowered, but since the numbers had to be scaled back, the cost went up. If only the VFR was as easy to package as the I4 bikes...

Speaking of production, I have gotten and am still getting a lot of requests for the 6th-gen kit. This might be a good time to take a sampling of current interest; if you have a 2002-2009 VFR800 and would be legitimately interested in purchasing a supercharger kit - priced the same as the 5th-gen kit ($5495) - please send us an email (no PMs please) stating your intent. We have a decent inventory of parts that can be adapted to the newer bikes, but I still need to figure out initial numbers a bit better before going into production. As always, if enough people want the kit, the price can come down, but until then the number has to stay where it's at.

toro1I've tried to explain in the past what it feels like to ride a supercharged bike, but I think you've nailed it here. It's just a really fun powerband to play with, and that rev-limiter does come up awfully fast.

Dan,

Have you considered or tried "easier" gearing. A larger front sprocket (6gen) might do wonders with 1/2 gear acceleration and due to the abundance of torque 3/4/5 probably wouldn't feel any different.

FotoMoto

toro1I've tried to explain in the past what it feels like to ride a supercharged bike, but I think you've nailed it here. It's just a really fun powerband to play with, and that rev-limiter does come up awfully fast.

Dan,

Have you considered or tried "easier" gearing. A larger front sprocket (6gen) might do wonders with 1/2 gear acceleration and due to the abundance of torque 3/4/5 probably wouldn't feel any different.

I've yet to try different gearing. There's no doubt that a larger front sprocket would help with first gear, but once this thing starts pulling, it doesn't take long to reach redline, in pretty much any gear.

Maybe I'll swap the stock sprockets back on once I finish up my secret project I'm currently working on.

toro1Maybe I'll swap the stock sprockets back on once I finish up my secret project I'm currently working on.

Would this be the secret project that I'm privy to, or a new one?

SEBSPEED

toro1Maybe I'll swap the stock sprockets back on once I finish up my secret project I'm currently working on.

Would this be the secret project that I'm privy to, or a new one?

It is the one that you know about Seb, and it looks slightly different then when you saw it last. I'll tell you what else, after riding around on an '08 GSXR1000 for a few days, the VFR needs to go on a diet. Badly. I'm already thinking about where some weight can be shaved...

Oh, if I only had the time...

Hate to bug you Toro, I am just wondering if you plan to add any video footage and pictures of your bike any time soon? I am dying to see the SC VFR in action...

Arrow, there is (or was) footage on the A&A site, it should be referenced elsewhere in this topic.

Here it is.

The PhantomHere it is. [video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/HDCgwyY4yOY?feature=oembed]

Thanks Phantom, I downloaded this the day Toro officially announced the Torocharger actually. I look at it almost every day :huh: ...

I meant to say additional footage such as quarter mile, roll-on with another (preferrably unsuspecting) bike etc... Here's hoping :biggrin:

Ahh, yes I'd like to see some of that action too :huh:

toro1

rangerscott69Is there another (cheaper) supercharger that can be utilized? Just wondering.

I'm about to get an an aneurysm from not having this kit.

Cheaper? No, unfortunately. Even more important though is the packaging of the beast -- the C15-60 fits perfectly in its location, and anything bigger would not fit without major work. The only other option is a turbo setup, and then we get into some heavy duty exhaust work, which would basically offset the $$$ savings over the supercharger. If we were producing more units, then the cost could be lowered, but since the numbers had to be scaled back, the cost went up. If only the VFR was as easy to package as the I4 bikes...

Speaking of production, I have gotten and am still getting a lot of requests for the 6th-gen kit. This might be a good time to take a sampling of current interest; if you have a 2002-2009 VFR800 and would be legitimately interested in purchasing a supercharger kit - priced the same as the 5th-gen kit ($5495) - please send us an email (no PMs please) stating your intent. We have a decent inventory of parts that can be adapted to the newer bikes, but I still need to figure out initial numbers a bit better before going into production. As always, if enough people want the kit, the price can come down, but until then the number has to stay where it's at.

If I knew of an ETA for the sixth gen kit then I could better budget for the cost. As it is I would love to have it as I have upgraded my car with a SC and the bike would be next but until I know for sure a time frame I can't set aside the extra funds forever.

Also I am alittle worried about the vtec transition with the SC. HOW BAD WILL IT BE???

Respirator fitted and running for the very first time smile.gif

Let's see, $5K for this and another $5K for suspension upgrades, or a 7th Gen VFR1200? Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Ah, well, mine's stalled for the time being. Zanotti's let me down (for the first time ever, so hard to complain), so no new $66 OEM fuel filter until after I'm back in London. I was probably not going to get it done on time anyway, considering all of the time I spend slobbering all over the components every time I go in the garage! The machined parts in this kit are almost too nice to bolt onto the bike... tongue.gif

To be continued (in the Fall)...

Ciao,

Well it's not like we can rush our projects, eh John? smile.gif

The PhantomWell it's not like we can rush our projects, eh John? smile.gif

Ha! Well, we know you can't... and I'm almost as bad as you, but at least I keep everyone updated with pics! :biggrin:

Looking forward to that 6th gen kit; 7 years of 6th gens out there.

KnifeLet's see, $5K for this and another $5K for suspension upgrades, or a 7th Gen VFR1200? Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Just get both.

how about a 1st gen kit? i still can't get enough of my '85.

cheers Toro!!

Hi All,

Just fitted a kit for guy here in the UK (alvintc) and got to ride it a bit before he took it away sad.gif Alvintc is now on vacation so no doubt he'll be posting what he thinks when he returns but I thought I'd give my impressions.

Firstly the kit is excellent. Well thought out, well made and properly engineered. We had a few small problems with fitting but nothing significant. We did other work on the bike to make sure the chassis and brakes were up to the job of coping with the extra power but nothing major, just stuff you should do anyway. So how did the bike go?...Well I can't say anymore than copy a post here I made somewhere else in answer to the "Is it any good?" question:

"" Its....different. I don't know why but I was expecting some kind of fire-breathing, uncompromising, hard to handle monster, like a ZX10R on a bad day. But its nothing like that. Instead its just a VFR. A plain, ordinary, predictable and easy to ride VFR. But better.

Its so linear, smooth and subtle that at first it seems almost disappointing. Where is the "kick"? The mean, nasty, tear-your-arms-out monster? Then you realise that you are in fourth, the front is going light again, you are doing 120mph through Glenshee and the jump I've just come over that I'd normally loft the front on saw both wheels in the air and yet its still as safe, settled and utterly controllable as any VFR should be.

I love it, absolutely love it. Just like a VFR: just as stable, just as easy, just as forgiving, just as controllable, just as tractable. But with a bigger engine. 50% bigger.

Anyone who loves / loved their Vif but has been tempted away, or is about to be, by the promise of more grunt from a K12 or ZZR14 or Bird or Busa - Stop now and buy a good VFR and one of these superchargers instead.

And the best bit...we were running it in so I've only given it just over 1/2 throttle so far (well maybe a bit more than "just over"). Tomorrow sees all the bananas being used...... ""

Then we did some full-throttle runs and I posted this:

Hoo

Lee

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes: :biggrin: :laugh: :laugh:

And that sums it up really!

The bike is fantastic, just fantastic. More than fast enough for the roads, easy to ride & make the most of and just bloody good fun. During our test runs on a 1 mile straight I passed a Blackbird (CBR1100XX) being ridden at a "normal" pace. I reached the other end of the straight, turned around, took my hlemet and gloves off and was busy talking to my friends before the BB rider came past.

We haven't had it on a dyno yet but with the narrower bore pipes on the FiY/Fi1 bikes compared to the FiW/FiX bikes I suspect it will be making a bit less than Toro's 160. If alvintc is game I've a plan for Phase II where we put some better downpipes (Headers I believe you non-English speakers call them tongue.gif ) a bigger LH radiator for better cooling and some bigger brake discs.

Need to to start saving for my own kit now. :rolleyes:

*sigh* Toro...any progress on that 6th Gen kit yet? :rolleyes:

Been thinking about this kit for a while now...maybe by the time the 6th-gen kit is (ever?) ready, I'll be ready to buy. None of the new bikes out there really interest me, especially not for 12-15k.

Kinda wondering about spare parts availability down the road though...

I have been to the UK VFR board in the past. My recollection is GreenVFR is the technical authority there. In other words that opinion is from someone who knows a lot about VFRs and has a special affection for them.

tok tokkieI have been to the UK VFR board in the past. My recollection is GreenVFR is the technical authority there. In other words that opinion is from someone who knows a lot about VFRs and has a special affection for them.

Ciao,

JZH

tok tokkieI have been to the UK VFR board in the past. My recollection is GreenVFR is the technical authority there. In other words that opinion is from someone who knows a lot about VFRs and has a special affection for them.

Do keep up, mate! You're right, but GreenVFR was exiled from the UK-based HondaVFRClub over a year ago; I was actually permanently banned from there last week...

Ciao,

Sounds like a pair of awesome (or lame) stories...

I took my buddies 636 out the other week. I need a kit. And to retune my suspesion (upgrade it). But I need more power!

JZH

tok tokkieI have been to the UK VFR board in the past. My recollection is GreenVFR is the technical authority there. In other words that opinion is from someone who knows a lot about VFRs and has a special affection for them.

Do keep up, mate! You're right, but GreenVFR was exiled from the UK-based HondaVFRClub over a year ago; I was actually permanently banned from there last week...

Ciao,

So what was your crime?

The "no fucking swearing" rule? :491: :cool:

DutchySo what was your crime?

The "no fucking swearing" rule? :excl: :fing02:

We discovered the guy who owns / runs the place (Wiz) was a lying fraudster who'll only tolerate people who don't ask awkward questions. My crime was asking questions, JZH dared to pass comment on dissapearing threads and the masking of the truth. About 80 other people have been turfed out too.

Much more important than Wiz bullying his forum users though, here's a photo of the supercharger being bolted onto alvintc's bike :angry:

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We need movies damn it :rolleyes:

:beer:

GreenVFR, we are happy to have you here. Welcome.

No fucking swearing though! :rolleyes:

I hope your not going to use vfrd to badmouth another board? Lets just talk about vfrs ok please.

mea culpa I asked.

Back to the Toro!!!! :cool:

so.

quick update while work permits (always the same).

's alright is this kit.

Lets start with the whole hard to describe.. I disagree. It's very easy to describe how it feels, it just may be hard to understand.

OK, everyone has seen the dyno's right? So you all understand just how linear the power comes in, there's no fear, no rush just very very rapid progress. So what does it feel like? Easy, feels like someone chucked 500 cubes on the bike. Simple.

Well, no not really. Because although that's what it feels like, what it really feels like is that low revs it feels the same as before* for every couple of hundred revs it increases it feels like a few more cubes are there. Make sense?

Fuel consumption it's slightly worse (I'm talking 20 miles per tank), however before the kit went on my air filter & oil were both sorely past their sell by dates...

Heat. Heat is an issue I'll need to address, for me I'm thinking a custom rad on the left will help but as I live in London, too much traffic & not enough air.

Dave's already mentioned the problems we (he!) had fitting the kit and what needed to be done to over come this (this was the first FiY/ Fi1), I'll post a pic when I get 20 mins.

Mods as they stand:

PC3

Supercharger

V-Tec front

Ohlins rear

Goodridge hoses

Wingrack

Zumo 660

As sports tourers go it's a giggle :D

* mine stumbles a bit at low revs, but I've a feeling when I have time & funds a couple of dyno sessions should sort it.

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Using the map Toro supplied, it needs actually setting up etc...

That's a beautiful dyno graph Alvin. What was the baseline? Or did you have one done?

186 MPH??? :unsure: :blink: :blink:

alvintc [image: dyno.jpg]

Using the map Toro supplied, it needs actually setting up etc...

Wow. Just wow..

veefer800canuckThat's a beautiful dyno graph Alvin. What was the baseline? Or did you have one done?

186 MPH??? :dry: :ph34r: :fing02:

No baseline I'm afraid, it's also been on there a little while & done a few miles so it's nicely settled.

I'm also thinking the dyno over reads... as 170 seems way over the mark.

I'm hoping to get it on a more respected Dyno for an actual setup session at the end of the month.

However the day was good. Initially dyno guys apologised as the machine was broken (they didn't notice the stealthy install). They requested me to take my luggage off which was a shame!

Notable results for the shoot out (was at the Ace Cafe, London):

Viff = 170.4

GSXR1000 = 165.9 (no idea the mods past race cans)

CBR1000 = 151 & change (cans)

R1 ('00) = 125.6 (Akrapovic system possibly more that I couldn't see)

This is so great... I feel like a kid waiting for this.

Any word on the heat issues?

InfidelThis is so great... I feel like a kid waiting for this.

Any word on the heat issues?

Did another flush the other week & it's better but still runs warm. I'll be giving the fan swap mod a try when I get round to it, I'm also planning a bigger left-hand rad in the new year which should pretty much sort me out.

For now it's not an issue as the ambient has started to drop here, but next summer will be if I don't get the mods done.

alvintcNotable results for the shoot out (was at the Ace Cafe, London):

Viff = 170.4

GSXR1000 = 165.9 (no idea the mods past race cans)

CBR1000 = 151 & change (cans)

R1 ('00) = 125.6 (Akrapovic system possibly more that I couldn't see)

170 does sound a bit high, but when you're posting higher numbers than modified 1000s, you know the supercharger is doing its job. Not bad for a bike equipped with the stock cat-equipped header. wink.gif

Just for reference, on my dyno the '04 ZX-10R we're building a kit for put out 150hp (with a full exhaust & other tricks), and a bone stock '08 GSX-R1000 laid down 152hp, so the 160hp run with my VFR sounds in line with Mark's 170hp run on a different dyno.

The only thing that really matters, though, is what it feels like ripping through the gears...

Wife is HOPING to buy this for me for Xmas.... odds it will be available by then?

/prays to the Gods

toro1

170 does sound a bit high, but when you're posting higher numbers than modified 1000s, you know the supercharger is doing its job. Not bad for a bike equipped with the stock cat-equipped header. wink.gif

Just for reference, on my dyno the '04 ZX-10R we're building a kit for put out 150hp (with a full exhaust & other tricks), and a bone stock '08 GSX-R1000 laid down 152hp, so the 160hp run with my VFR sounds in line with Mark's 170hp run on a different dyno.

The only thing that really matters, though, is what it feels like ripping through the gears...

I actually had a dream last night where it was announced, in your website, that the 6th gen. kit was finally ready. How is that ZX10 kit coming along? I am asking because I hope when you are done with it, you can start the 6th gen. kit. Come on Toro, the USD is at an all time low here, I could tell my wife that it is a very smart buy (it actually is, but I don't think she will buy into this arguement :fing02: )...

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I actually had a dream last night where it was announced, in your website, that the 6th gen. kit was finally ready. How is that ZX10 kit coming along? I am asking because I hope when you are done with it, you can start the 6th gen. kit. Come on Toro, the USD is at an all time low here, I could tell my wife that it is a very smart buy (it actually is, but I don't think she will buy into this arguement :unsure: )...

Sounds like a good dream! It's now getting closer to reality.

BlitzenveeferWow - I didn't think Toro's elevation was that low. That would make quite a difference compared to Calgary. I'm headed to California for a ride in May, so I should find out then how my bike reacts at lower altitudes. I'm thinking its gonna be fun!!

Yep, I'm very close to the Delaware river, so while it's very, very hilly in my area, I'm basically at sea level (the dyno I use is only @ 100ft).

Steve, for your trip, keep my original map (and your tuned map) loaded on the LCD unit -- that way once you come down from the mountains, you can richen up the mixture on the fly (the LCD unit will let you store and swap as many maps as you like). With the denser air, your uncorrected hp will go from your current 156.4hp (173.6hp/ 1.11 - SAE correction factor) to a true uncorrected 170+hp, and you'll need more fuel accordingly (just for reference, my bike pulled 167hp uncorrected).

Veefer800Canuck

Blitzenveefer

Wow - I didn't think Toro's elevation was that low. That would make quite a difference compared to Calgary. I'm headed to California for a ride in May, so I should find out then how my bike reacts at lower altitudes. I'm thinking its gonna be fun!!

First long-term road test of a Torocharger! :beatdeadhorse:

I'm interested in your fuel mileage figures while on tour.

Could you gather some data and report back?

I'm particularly wondering about sustained slab cruising at the speed limit.

Is your bike's final drive gearing stock?

Yes, my gearing is stock - 16/43 I believe. I will see what I can do on checking the mileage for you. I suspect it won't be too much different at legal speeds, since the engine will be making more power at lower throttle openings, but RPMs should stay the same.

toro1

BlitzenveeferWow - I didn't think Toro's elevation was that low. That would make quite a difference compared to Calgary. I'm headed to California for a ride in May, so I should find out then how my bike reacts at lower altitudes. I'm thinking its gonna be fun!!

Yep, I'm very close to the Delaware river, so while it's very, very hilly in my area, I'm basically at sea level (the dyno I use is only @ 100ft).

Steve, for your trip, keep my original map (and your tuned map) loaded on the LCD unit -- that way once you come down from the mountains, you can richen up the mixture on the fly (the LCD unit will let you store and swap as many maps as you like). With the denser air, your uncorrected hp will go from your current 156.4hp (173.6hp/ 1.11 - SAE correction factor) to a true uncorrected 170+hp, and you'll need more fuel accordingly (just for reference, my bike pulled 167hp uncorrected).

I was going to ask you about that Dan. I understand the concept of what you're saying, but won't the computer make that required mixture adjustment based on the readings from the MAP sensor? That is, shouldn't it sense the denser air and add fuel accordingly?

Blitzenveefer

My "after" run with Dan's #1 map was 157.8 HP. My final run after fine tuning by Ben at Redline was....wait for it...173.60 HP !!!

Wow! That's really impressive! :unsure:

BlitzenveeferOn the exact same dyno the new BMW S1000RR recently made 168.77 HP in full-on "slick" mode. Yup, my little Veefer has the new Uber-Beemer covered by 5 HP!! Sweet.

There's something wrong with that Beemer; "Bike" magazine dyno'd one on a well-calibrated dyno and got 183.7bhp. That was on a bike that wasn't even run in yet (400 miles on the clock).

Blitzenveefer

I was going to ask you about that Dan. I understand the concept of what you're saying, but won't the computer make that required mixture adjustment based on the readings from the MAP sensor? That is, shouldn't it sense the denser air and add fuel accordingly?

The VFR MAP sensor is only active at small throttle openings, after that it's a predefined map based on calculated engine volumetric efficiency (for a specific altitude/air density).

A better option would be an Autotune, but since they're not available for the 5th-gen it's somewhat of a moot point!

kaldek

A better option would be an Autotune, but since they're not available for the 5th-gen it's somewhat of a moot point!

I'm working on that option as we speak as I'm installing a PCV with Autotune on my 98. The PCV will work back to the 00-01 model years as a plug and play. Since the 98-99 don't have O2 sensors, I'm having a bung welded onto my header to accept the Bosch unit. The PCV's wire harness plugs into 98-09 without issue.

I hope to have results witin a week or two.

sa1713

kaldek

A better option would be an Autotune, but since they're not available for the 5th-gen it's somewhat of a moot point!

I'm working on that option as we speak as I'm installing a PCV with Autotune on my 98. The PCV will work back to the 00-01 model years as a plug and play. Since the 98-99 don't have O2 sensors, I'm having a bung welded onto my header to accept the Bosch unit. The PCV's wire harness plugs into 98-09 without issue.

I hope to have results witin a week or two.

Awesome!! Looking forward to hearing how it works. I think that would be the best option by far.

sa1713

kaldek

A better option would be an Autotune, but since they're not available for the 5th-gen it's somewhat of a moot point!

I'm working on that option as we speak as I'm installing a PCV with Autotune on my 98. The PCV will work back to the 00-01 model years as a plug and play. Since the 98-99 don't have O2 sensors, I'm having a bung welded onto my header to accept the Bosch unit. The PCV's wire harness plugs into 98-09 without issue.

I hope to have results witin a week or two.

Oh so the injector/TPS connector harness is the same? That's good news!

Hey Toro,

Would you please describe how the supercharged VFR feels compared to the non-supercharged motor? I know that asking you to describe a feeling can be very subjective, but as a 5th gen owner, I hope you'll be able to make the comparison. I'm wondering how the added HP and torque are felt by the rider. Does it feel comparable to the power delivery of a blackbird? Or is it only really noticeable at higher revs? Does the torque feel greater at the lower revs?

Thanks.

BlitzenveeferI was going to ask you about that Dan. I understand the concept of what you're saying, but won't the computer make that required mixture adjustment based on the readings from the MAP sensor? That is, shouldn't it sense the denser air and add fuel accordingly?

It will compensate for the small stuff, but not WOT (which is why the map I provided, though perfect for me at sea level, was ultra rich for you at 4000ft). We are adding so much air & fuel to the engine that the stock sensors can't keep up. Remember, we bypass the boost from the stock MAP sensor so it doesn't throw a code, but at the same time, it renders it useless once we're pushing boost.

Ultimately, the best way to handle tuning would be to base the fueling off of boost, but to do that, the cost really starts to go up (due to needing a 3-bar MAP sensor, the multi-function hub if using a PCIII, or an entirely different way of handling the tuning). With most riders, unless they are significantly changing elevation, the PCIII is by far the most cost-effective way to dial in the AFR.

In your case, since you already have the LCD unit, you can store as many maps as you like, but if you want even greater tuning capability, then we'd have to look at getting you the multi-function hub and an aftermarket MAP sensor, at which point it truly would not matter where in the world you rode since the fuel added would be proportional to boost.

jaimev34

Hey Toro,

Would you please describe how the supercharged VFR feels compared to the non-supercharged motor? I know that asking you to describe a feeling can be very subjective, but as a 5th gen owner, I hope you'll be able to make the comparison. I'm wondering how the added HP and torque are felt by the rider. Does it feel comparable to the power delivery of a blackbird? Or is it only really noticeable at higher revs? Does the torque feel greater at the lower revs?

Thanks.

Hi Jamie,

In a nutshell, normal riding feels exactly the same as before. If anything, compared to stock, throttle response is crisper, starting out is easier, and the engine feels smoother, but it is still a VFR800. Now, there is no doubt that you have more power available to you at all points in the powerband, but in general, if you are at very low rpms (2500-3500), you will not feel much of a difference over stock as the Rotrex is only pushing ~1psi.

In most situations it has always felt to me like the bike is a gear (or two) lower than it would be stock. If you have a steeper gear ratio, the change will be even more noticeable. The power really starts to build around 5000rpm, with serious steam coming around 7-8000. From there on up, there is absolutely no resemblance to a stock VFR, as depending on the ride height and gearing, the front end becomes very light (with stock ride height and a -1/+2 gearing setup, I've had the bike wheelie in 5th-gear, but now with a lowered front end and stock gearing, it stays much more planted).

The bike will pull to redline with absolute authority, as the power never stops increasing -- if you hardly ever reached the redline before, you will once you add this kit. To give you an idea of the power, the bike will wheelie on command from any rpm in the first two gears with the stock gearing, and can easily power wheelie in 3rd & 4th. However, due to the nature of the supercharger, the power is still actually controllable, and you don't have to worry about a sudden boost spike coming out of a turn. 160whp is still 160whp, though, so you need to treat it with respect, and you can have some tense moments if you're not careful.

I have not ridden a Blackbird, but I can compare the powerband to a GSXR1000 & ZX10R. Basically, if it's low rpm torque you're looking for, this kit is not the answer. The bike is only 781ccs, and with low boost output at low rpms, this engine is not transformed into a 1200cc monster. Compared to the literbikes, around town I feel the VFR is actually a bit quicker due to the tranny gearing, but once you get in 3rd & 4th gear (and up), the greater torque of the 1000s (and their smooth firing 180° crank layout) provide a vibe-free, stronger pull from low rpms. If you really want to experience greater torque, changing the final gearing does wonders, but no matter what, 781ccs cannot compete with 1000-1300ccs in the torque department down low.

However, if you're used to the VFR powerband, and are looking for more power, this kit does give you more oomph at all rpms, with an insane amount coming from midrange on up. It makes a great bike even better, and really puts on smile on your face when you crank on the throttle.

Hope that helps.

toro1

jaimev34

Hey Toro,

Would you please describe how the supercharged VFR feels compared to the non-supercharged motor? I know that asking you to describe a feeling can be very subjective, but as a 5th gen owner, I hope you'll be able to make the comparison. I'm wondering how the added HP and torque are felt by the rider. Does it feel comparable to the power delivery of a blackbird? Or is it only really noticeable at higher revs? Does the torque feel greater at the lower revs?

Thanks.

Hi Jamie,

In a nutshell, normal riding feels exactly the same as before. If anything, compared to stock, throttle response is crisper, starting out is easier, and the engine feels smoother, but it is still a VFR800. Now, there is no doubt that you have more power available to you at all points in the powerband, but in general, if you are at very low rpms (2500-3500), you will not feel much of a difference over stock as the Rotrex is only pushing ~1psi.

In most situations it has always felt to me like the bike is a gear (or two) lower than it would be stock. If you have a steeper gear ratio, the change will be even more noticeable. The power really starts to build around 5000rpm, with serious steam coming around 7-8000. From there on up, there is absolutely no resemblance to a stock VFR, as depending on the ride height and gearing, the front end becomes very light (with stock ride height and a -1/+2 gearing setup, I've had the bike wheelie in 5th-gear, but now with a lowered front end and stock gearing, it stays much more planted).

The bike will pull to redline with absolute authority, as the power never stops increasing -- if you hardly ever reached the redline before, you will once you add this kit. To give you an idea of the power, the bike will wheelie on command from any rpm in the first two gears with the stock gearing, and can easily power wheelie in 3rd & 4th. However, due to the nature of the supercharger, the power is still actually controllable, and you don't have to worry about a sudden boost spike coming out of a turn. 160whp is still 160whp, though, so you need to treat it with respect, and you can have some tense moments if you're not careful.

I have not ridden a Blackbird, but I can compare the powerband to a GSXR1000 & ZX10R. Basically, if it's low rpm torque you're looking for, this kit is not the answer. The bike is only 781ccs, and with low boost output at low rpms, this engine is not transformed into a 1200cc monster. Compared to the literbikes, around town I feel the VFR is actually a bit quicker due to the tranny gearing, but once you get in 3rd & 4th gear (and up), the greater torque of the 1000s (and their smooth firing 180° crank layout) provide a vibe-free, stronger pull from low rpms. If you really want to experience greater torque, changing the final gearing does wonders, but no matter what, 781ccs cannot compete with 1000-1300ccs in the torque department down low.

However, if you're used to the VFR powerband, and are looking for more power, this kit does give you more oomph at all rpms, with an insane amount coming from midrange on up. It makes a great bike even better, and really puts on smile on your face when you crank on the throttle.

Hope that helps.

Toro,

Thanks for the detailed response; you painted a good picture. Yes, it helps a lot.

toro1

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However, if you're used to the VFR powerband, and are looking for more power, this kit does give you more oomph at all rpms, with an insane amount coming from midrange on up. It makes a great bike even better, and really puts on smile on your face when you crank on the throttle.

Hope that helps.

Heck, I haven't even ridden a SC'ed VFR yet and it already puts a huge grin on my face. I can't even imagine what riding one would be like :cheerleader:

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toro1

...

However, if you're used to the VFR powerband, and are looking for more power, this kit does give you more oomph at all rpms, with an insane amount coming from midrange on up. It makes a great bike even better, and really puts on smile on your face when you crank on the throttle.

Hope that helps.

Heck, I haven't even ridden a SC'ed VFR yet and it already puts a huge grin on my face. I can't even imagine what riding one would be like :angry:

Its a blast. Toro's description of the riding experiece matches mine, although I haven't ridden my boosted bike all that much yet due to our crappy spring weather here in the Great White North. One thing I've really noticed is how fast the bike revs once you get into the higher RPM range. The first time I was able to really get on the throttle I was hitting the rev limiter in 3rd and 4th gear just because the bike was accelerating so fast I couldn't shift fast enough. Now that I'm used to it, its not a problem, but its quite a change from stock. Change is good!!

toro1

BlitzenveeferI was going to ask you about that Dan. I understand the concept of what you're saying, but won't the computer make that required mixture adjustment based on the readings from the MAP sensor? That is, shouldn't it sense the denser air and add fuel accordingly?

It will compensate for the small stuff, but not WOT (which is why the map I provided, though perfect for me at sea level, was ultra rich for you at 4000ft). We are adding so much air & fuel to the engine that the stock sensors can't keep up. Remember, we bypass the boost from the stock MAP sensor so it doesn't throw a code, but at the same time, it renders it useless once we're pushing boost.

Ultimately, the best way to handle tuning would be to base the fueling off of boost, but to do that, the cost really starts to go up (due to needing a 3-bar MAP sensor, the multi-function hub if using a PCIII, or an entirely different way of handling the tuning). With most riders, unless they are significantly changing elevation, the PCIII is by far the most cost-effective way to dial in the AFR.

In your case, since you already have the LCD unit, you can store as many maps as you like, but if you want even greater tuning capability, then we'd have to look at getting you the multi-function hub and an aftermarket MAP sensor, at which point it truly would not matter where in the world you rode since the fuel added would be proportional to boost.

That's something I'd like to explore Dan. I think having the fuel curve match the boost curve would be the way to go.

Is this pretty much what the PCV does, or would other changes such as those you've mentioned be needed as well?

sa1713

kaldek

A better option would be an Autotune, but since they're not available for the 5th-gen it's somewhat of a moot point!

I'm working on that option as we speak as I'm installing a PCV with Autotune on my 98. The PCV will work back to the 00-01 model years as a plug and play. Since the 98-99 don't have O2 sensors, I'm having a bung welded onto my header to accept the Bosch unit. The PCV's wire harness plugs into 98-09 without issue.

I hope to have results witin a week or two.

Do you have any updates on this installation? I'm quite interested in your results.

kaldek

Oh so the injector/TPS connector harness is the same? That's good news!

Yup I have my PCV plugged in on my 5th gen, but the autotune module is not here yet.

JES_VFR

kaldek

Oh so the injector/TPS connector harness is the same? That's good news!

Yup I have my PCV plugged in on my 5th gen, but the autotune module is not here yet.

Buy Wideband2 instead of Autotune.

It is the same device but you have the capability to connect a dynojet digital or analog AFR gauge.Don't forget to order with it a can port plug.

dynagrego

JES_VFR

kaldek

Oh so the injector/TPS connector harness is the same? That's good news!

Yup I have my PCV plugged in on my 5th gen, but the autotune module is not here yet.

Buy Wideband2 instead of Autotune.

It is the same device but you have the capability to connect a dynojet digital or analog AFR gauge.Don't forget to order with it a can port plug.

I got the Wideband 2 from Toro as part of my kit, so I'm good to go on that. I just have to get it installed and then figure out how the heck it works. I've looked at the information and it seems pretty complicated, but hopefully I can figure it out. I have the LCD readout as well. Toro says I can store a bunch of different maps on there and switch between them, but I'll have to ask for his help on that part of it.

I don't the Wideband 2 gives you the same autotune capability as the PCV though. I believe the PCV is a closed loop system that adjusts the mixture based on the AFR in realtime - correct? The Wideband 2 measures the AFR and logs it, but doesn't adjust the fuel to optimize the AFR - at least that's how I understand it. Maybe someone out there has a better handle on this than I do. Toro??

Blitzenveefer

I don't the Wideband 2 gives you the same autotune capability as the PCV though. I believe the PCV is a closed loop system that adjusts the mixture based on the AFR in realtime - correct? The Wideband 2 measures the AFR and logs it, but doesn't adjust the fuel to optimize the AFR - at least that's how I understand it. Maybe someone out there has a better handle on this than I do.

Yes, the Autotune is basically a Wideband Commander 2 hooked into the PCV. The PCV is what performs the dynamic fuel adjustment based on the data from the Autotune signal.

This would be a good device to have on the Supercharged motor, with customised AFR entries set to nice and safe numbers when under boost. An advantage of this would be if your fuel was of poor quality for some reason and you suddenly started to run lean, the Autotune could fix it by sending more fuel before you damaged the motor. There is a flipside to this however, in that a failure of the Autotune could possibly result in a dynamic adjustment to LEAN mixture. The risks would really be about the same as driving a factory boosted engine though, so I consider it low risk.

Actually, you can reduce the risk even further by setting a maximim enleanment value in the Autotune to a very low number - maybe even zero. This would mean the Autotune is allowed to richen the mixture beyond what your custom map says, but is not allowed to lean it out.

kaldek

Blitzenveefer

I don't the Wideband 2 gives you the same autotune capability as the PCV though. I believe the PCV is a closed loop system that adjusts the mixture based on the AFR in realtime - correct? The Wideband 2 measures the AFR and logs it, but doesn't adjust the fuel to optimize the AFR - at least that's how I understand it. Maybe someone out there has a better handle on this than I do.

Yes, the Autotune is basically a Wideband Commander 2 hooked into the PCV. The PCV is what performs the dynamic fuel adjustment based on the data from the Autotune signal.

This would be a good device to have on the Supercharged motor, with customised AFR entries set to nice and safe numbers when under boost. An advantage of this would be if your fuel was of poor quality for some reason and you suddenly started to run lean, the Autotune could fix it by sending more fuel before you damaged the motor. There is a flipside to this however, in that a failure of the Autotune could possibly result in a dynamic adjustment to LEAN mixture. The risks would really be about the same as driving a factory boosted engine though, so I consider it low risk.

Actually, you can reduce the risk even further by setting a maximim enleanment value in the Autotune to a very low number - maybe even zero. This would mean the Autotune is allowed to richen the mixture beyond what your custom map says, but is not allowed to lean it out.

That sounds good. Anyone have any idea if the auto tune module will work with the PC III and Wideband Comander ? That way I could use what I have and just add the Autotune module.

Blitzenveefer

That sounds good. Anyone have any idea if the auto tune module will work with the PC III and Wideband Comander ? That way I could use what I have and just add the Autotune module.

Sorry but, No, the autotune only works on the PC V. The PC V also adds features like Gear by Gear fuel mapping, and some other stuff.

After trying different maps, and having Dan custom make 2 maps via e-mail, i finally found the time to run a dyno for some realy spot on adjustments...

The numbers went from 156.6 -> 183.2... pretty ok one should say :)

I dont have to say that the gained ponies does kick...

Let the summer begin :)

WackenSS

The numbers went from 156.6 -> 183.2...

Yowzah!

Now, here is the evidence...

Red line = pre charger install.

Green line = A&A Perf. european charger map.

Blue line = Custom map.

I had the dyno recorded, here are my compilation of the goodies

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This has just made my day. I knew my European map was off a bit, but this is just silly ridiculous power. I thought Steve had the highest power VFR800 locked up with his 175hp run, but you've topped him with this 183hp monster, Kenneth. Do you guys have any ethanol in your gas over there? We're saddled with 10%, which I think might be reducing the power output.

I'm going to post a link to your vid on my site -- very, very nice. Enjoy!

If only there were another 9hp to be found... Then you would have doubled the stock output!

I wonder if those e3 diamond fire plugs work... :fing02:

magicman

If only there were another 9hp to be found... Then you would have doubled the stock output!

What's really amazing here is we're only pushing about 10psi (without an intercooler) when in general with these superchargers you need ~15psi to double the power.

I'm almost tempted to turn up some bigger crank pulleys and see if we can crack 200whp...

toro1

magicman

If only there were another 9hp to be found... Then you would have doubled the stock output!

What's really amazing here is we're only pushing about 10psi (without an intercooler) when in general with these superchargers you need ~15psi to double the power.

I'm almost tempted to turn up some bigger crank pulleys and see if we can crack 200whp...

Would the belt fit if a bigger crank pulley should ever be made? :) :) :)

Anyway, i was thinking , when in the future i am going to rebuild the vfr i have laying around, to look into the possibilities of lower rotating weight , cams, other injectors and maybe the "stage 2" with water injection... Anything on the drawing board Dan? ;)

We do not have anything added or taken out of our fuel. if you want to buy e85 (bioethanol/fuel mix) i guess one would have to wait some time as it is on its way as far as i know... but i really cant se why i should switch to that...

On the dyno i ran shell v-power 99 octane ron, but i fill her with unleaded 95 ron for the most part. No additives of any kind cause there has never been signs of detonation, and no power gain, at least not noticeable.

When mentioned, what do you think about this Dan : e3 spark plugs

Is this just long life sparkies or could there be something to it?

What about the "permagap" ngk (if they where made with the vfr thread size) Any toughts?

toro1

:comp13:

This has just made my day. I knew my European map was off a bit, but this is just silly ridiculous power. I thought Steve had the highest power VFR800 locked up with his 175hp run, but you've topped him with this 183hp monster, Kenneth. Do you guys have any ethanol in your gas over there? We're saddled with 10%, which I think might be reducing the power output.

I'm going to post a link to your vid on my site -- very, very nice. Enjoy!

Yo. feel free to put me in the customer showcase department :)

Tried to use the pm system but it wont work on my droid.

Will you sell those oil cooler adapters that bolt to the oil pan seperate? How about the water oil cooler?

toro1

AuspañolSerious looking stuff. I'm impressed!! Like the switch to the carbon overhead body... weight and space saving reasons I imagine.

So what sort of mileage do you get out of the bike on mixed riding over a tank of gas??? Does it add enough weight, and power for that matter, to consider stiffer fork /shockie springs??

The carbon intake hat was designed to work with an intercooler and also to distribute the incoming air as evenly as possible. Whether or not the intercooler makes it to production, it has succeeded in the power producing department and is both lightweight and low-profile.

I have been getting nearly 40mpg in normal mixed riding conditions. The only time I noticeably see a drop in mileage is performing flat-out dyno pulls or after a very hard day of sport riding.

You should not be able to notice a difference in weight. The supercharger itself weighs only 6lbs, and the rest of the componentry is mainly aluminum. I will weigh the parts taken off the bike and compare them to the weight of the kit parts soon, as I know others have been wondering what the difference truly is.

Blue VifferToro,

Another question for you would a PCII work or would you need the III?

vince

I currently only have a working map for the PCIII. The PCII can work, but I would first need to develop a map for it.

Dan, your going to be the "Carroll Shelby" of the VFR's if your not already. After I saw this kit, talked to you on the phone, and reviewed the installation instructions, I eneded up selling my mint 4th gen to get a 5th gen....I had to get a VFR that I could put this kit on. Already started the SC fund. I'll be ready by spring of 2012.

tireguy

Dan, your going to be the "Carroll Shelby" of the VFR's if your not already. After I saw this kit, talked to you on the phone, and reviewed the installation instructions, I eneded up selling my mint 4th gen to get a 5th gen....I had to get a VFR that I could put this kit on. Already started the SC fund. I'll be ready by spring of 2012.

Join the club! :fing02:

Ciao,

Now that is some awesome power right there :fing02: :fing02:

WackenSS

Now, here is the evidence...

Red line = pre charger install.

Green line = A&A Perf. european charger map.

Blue line = Custom map.

I had the dyno recorded, here are my compilation of the goodies

[video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/9UCsqSnF2BY?feature=oembed]

Any word on why these kits are discontinued?

I've been thinking about puting a kit on my wish list for in a few years once I get some money behind us in the house.

Not enough demand. Only a handful of people bought one.

Ahh, the ultimate farkle!!

If anyone who has a supercharged VFR wants to sell, please drop me a note.

Gregor

Im in europe, if anyone becomes available here .. Im ur guy.!

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VIFFR

Any word on why these kits are discontinued?

I've been thinking about puting a kit on my wish list for in a few years once I get some money behind us in the house.

Anyway, thank you again dan for making my viffer 13 years younger :)

Anyone know what color code and name of this orange?

It's not an OEM paint color, so it's whatever Dan had available, I imagine!

Ciao,

JZH

Just about everything on that bike was custom - the paint was probably no exception!  Those were the days - when those kits were in development.  

Dan had the bike repainted. To find that shade. You would have to look in a paint book. 

IIRC it's a Lamborghini orange

[image: 1280px-Orange_Lamborghini_Aventador_LP70]

It's House of Kolor PBC32 Tangelo Orange.