The First Offical Pic

http://www.roadracin.../?article=38366

I'm sorry, I'm NOT feeling the love, at all...

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WTB.................An exhaust system for a 7th Gen.
Holy crap that things fugly, i'm guessing they called Suzuki and asked em if they had any of those B-King cans they wanted to get rid of!!

yep, ditch the pipe, theres enough space there for a twin underseat....

Is there anything else in Honda's lineup that can sort of replace the combo of sport riding and touring in the 750-800 class?

600 pounds :rolleyes:

i like the wt. the wt is the reason i got my 98

Holy cow, I had no idea they were killing off the ST1300 too.

And, nobody I know with an S2000 likes the fly-by-wire throttle... and when it comes to that thing having an automatic tranny, I have to stop pounding on my keyboard because the words my fingers are trying to pound out would all be sensored by the mods...

[image: View Post]AussieinUSA, on Oct 8 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

WTB.................An exhaust system for a 7th Gen.
Holy crap that things fugly, i'm guessing they called Suzuki and asked em if they had any of those B-King cans they wanted to get rid of!!



No kidding! that pipe is butt-ugly, the rest of the bike looks cool. Any shots out there from the front and shaft side?

[image: View Post]xerox, on Oct 8 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

i like the wt. the wt is the reason i got my 98

wt.?
Are you saying you like the 613 pound weight?

[image: View Post]TripleH, on Oct 8 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Holy cow, I had no idea they were killing off the ST1300 too.
Doesn't anybody actually read the words anymore?

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"It is not expected to replace either the existing VFR800 or the ST1300 in Honda�s lineup..."
When I read that statement it did seem a little odd to me that they would have a 1200 and a 1300 sport-tourer in the line-up, but I'm not a motorcycle industry analyst, so what do I know?

When I'm in the market for a new bike I'll consider my needs, consider my budget, and look at whatever fits into the category at that time. If this bike fits my needs and budget, and is still available at that time, I'll consider it.

I like the way the bike looks, other than the exhaust system. It's not easy to get a feel for the shape and size from just one photo though. What I don't like is the weight. I don't understand why Honda has such a hard time keeping the weight down. I'm all for shaft drive and narrow mid-section for us shorter older riders, (like me).

I'm planning on replacing my 97 VFR early next year, so I am very curious as to the bikes road test results.

Is it me or has Honda lost there way? I'll stick with my 6th gen version, this version is to big. I may as well buy an FJR or a Concours.

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[image: View Post]AussieinUSA, on Oct 8 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

WTB.................An exhaust system for a 7th Gen.
Holy crap that things fugly, i'm guessing they called Suzuki and asked em if they had any of those B-King cans they wanted to get rid of!!



No kidding! that pipe is butt-ugly, the rest of the bike looks cool. Any shots out there from the front and shaft side?


Try here there are picture of the euro color and 60 other shots
http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index....ic,45274.0.html

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[image: View Post]TripleH, on Oct 8 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Holy cow, I had no idea they were killing off the ST1300 too.
Doesn't anybody actually read the words anymore?

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"It is not expected to replace either the existing VFR800 or the ST1300 in Honda�s lineup..."
Yes, thank you, I do read...
In fact it is because I did read the article that I realized the ST line is also being killed off and I was making a statement about how I'm surprised Honda is making these specific changes.
:rolleyes:

[image: View Post]adamf18, on Oct 8 2009, 09:57 AM, said:

Is it me or has Honda lost there way?
No, it is not you, the lion's share of S2000 people feel the exact same way.
I like to say, Honda's Power of Dreams has run out of gas...

I like it :fing02: Sure it's heavy and the exhaust is hideous :blink: But you can throw away that nasty can as I'm sure most people who buy one will do, and then I like the looks of it. Despite being heavy the manual transmission variant is almost 100 lbs lighter than the Kawasaki Concours 14 which is now their direct competition among others.

Just like with the new CBR1000RR Honda has created the new VFR with polarizing styling which is exactly what they should have done to keep competitive. It worked out well for the CBR, I don't see any reason it shouldn't work out for the VFR.

"The quickest and easiest way to succeed is to avoid the quick and easy thing to do" - Steve Pavlina -

http://www.honda-v4.eu/en/en/Home

I had to click the speaker icon on the screen to get the music on.

There's still some stuff on this site waiting to be released as of this posting, but can't wait, I'm riding to Mt. St Helens on my 6th gen. So yesterday!

I like the bike, but the rear hub sticks out a lot, I'm also not sure on the fairing, but It was already growing on me the more I watched it. It's a new design to be sure. It's not love at first site, but it has my attention.

[image: View Post]JTG, on Oct 8 2009, 09:22 AM, said:

Just like with the new CBR1000RR Honda has created the new VFR with polarizing styling which is exactly what they should have done to keep competitive. It worked out well for the CBR, I don't see any reason it shouldn't work out for the VFR.
-

What about the recent threads of Honda blowing out 08 1000rr's with big rebates because they have so many stacked up in the warehouses?

Looking at the photo and reading the spec sheet makes me sooooooHAPPY that I got a 5th gen.
Now, if I can find a spare 5th gen for when / if my current ride expires so that I have an instant replacement........coool.
I don't want a bike with automatic this and fly by wire crap, just a plain ol v4 motorcycle. Period.
Jeff

The can has to be a brick as far as weight and is a trash can filler but my beat is the price tag will be $14K.If you really want one wait a year or two and Honda will be dumping them @ $8k :rolleyes:

Cool, lets start another thread using the link from a picture that was posted here 3 hours beforehand.

I'm going to take a stab that most members here are more on the touring sides and less on the sport side, nothing wrong with that. Now that I've said that, I wish Honda would take the VFR back in the direction of its roots, we don't need a full fledged sportbike but I really like the balance of sport and touring on my 4th Generation. Though the fourth Gen was not quite the CBR F3 in its day it could hang, the bike was comfortable and sporty, I'm sorry I just don't understand why Honda is moving so much of their focus to the touring side, that's already covered pretty well.

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[image: View Post]SpiralGray, on Oct 8 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

[image: View Post]TripleH, on Oct 8 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Holy cow, I had no idea they were killing off the ST1300 too.
Doesn't anybody actually read the words anymore?

Quote

"It is not expected to replace either the existing VFR800 or the ST1300 in Honda�s lineup..."
When I read that statement it did seem a little odd to me that they would have a 1200 and a 1300 sport-tourer in the line-up, but I'm not a motorcycle industry analyst, so what do I know?

I think they mean "replace", as in, "depose". The VFR1200 is clearly so unbelievably amazing that it simply cannot be considered to "replace" any other motorcycle (or motorcycles). The fact that the BlackBird has already been killed, and the VTEC and ST1300 may not appear in/after 2010, is nothing more than coincidence. Trust me... :biggrin:

Ciao,

[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on Oct 8 2009, 11:05 AM, said:

I'm going to take a stab that most members here are more on the touring sides and less on the sport side, nothing wrong with that. Now that I've said that, I wish Honda would take the VFR back in the direction of its roots, we don't need a full fledged sportbike but I really like the balance of sport and touring on my 4th Generation. Though the fourth Gen was not quite the CBR F3 in its day it could hang, the bike was comfortable and sporty, I'm sorry I just don't understand why Honda is moving so much of their focus to the touring side, that's already covered pretty well.

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LOL that's a new one to me,I'll have to remember that one :fing02:

with how good and comfy bikes have become, i think honda put in as many feature for the 2009 market as they could. This is their interpretation of a swiss army bike for 2009. A difficult task and I think they did a god job. I bet they sel a million of em.

I would like a sportier one too, but when you make a cbr1000rr, why do it?

I applaud honda because they jnow you please everyone, but they made a very special bike anyway.

More on the pipes.... I noticed that with the bags on, that the exhaust is directed right at the bag......

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[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on Oct 8 2009, 09:05 AM, said:

I'm going to take a stab that most members here are more on the touring sides and less on the sport side, nothing wrong with that. Now that I've said that, I wish Honda would take the VFR back in the direction of its roots, we don't need a full fledged sportbike but I really like the balance of sport and touring on my 4th Generation. Though the fourth Gen was not quite the CBR F3 in its day it could hang, the bike was comfortable and sporty, I'm sorry I just don't understand why Honda is moving so much of their focus to the touring side, that's already covered pretty well.

Hauling
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Dudes
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Substitute numbskull for nerdy and you've nailed me.

[image: View Post]maddog, on Oct 8 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on Oct 8 2009, 09:05 AM, said:

I'm going to take a stab that most members here are more on the touring sides and less on the sport side, nothing wrong with that. Now that I've said that, I wish Honda would take the VFR back in the direction of its roots, we don't need a full fledged sportbike but I really like the balance of sport and touring on my 4th Generation. Though the fourth Gen was not quite the CBR F3 in its day it could hang, the bike was comfortable and sporty, I'm sorry I just don't understand why Honda is moving so much of their focus to the touring side, that's already covered pretty well.

Hauling
Old
Nerdy
Dudes
Around

(No offense to anyone)

Substitute numbskull for nerdy and you've nailed me.


me too

photo of rider ans pillion

http://home.ama-cycle.org/post/images//s14...preview_600.jpg

Well, I like the new VFR12K, but am still disappointed in its lack of true touring specs. Many seem to be/have been hoping for a more supersport type of reincarnation for the VFR which i do not completely understand. If you want a track bike why force the VFR into that role when you could go to a CBR? You really want a V4, then there are other options, including the new V-Max or the pricey new RSV-4 from Aprillia.

I was hoping for more of an update to the current 6th Gen but with a better tunable suspension and some creature conforts, kind of a BMW K1300 but in the 800-1000cc range. For the average Joe, is it really necessary to have 165 Hp and be able to go 150+ MPH on a Touring bike? Not likely IMO.

I would have been at the dealer yesterday putting a deposit down if the new model had added maybe 5-10 Hp, heated grips/seat, electronic cruise control, ABS (from the CBR), a slipper clutch and maybe even a shafty, 6 gal tank and priced under $15K - to me that would be the perfect all around Sport Tourer. Hell, once you add all the ST stuff to this new VFR12K; hard bags, GPS, heated stuff, a comfy seat, touring screen, Throttle master, etc. it would be cheaper to by the BMW K13.

I love my VFR, for me it has been the Jack-of-all trades I was hoping for when I bought it but after riding it for a few years now it would be a difficult decision to choose this bike now compared to other market alteratives and I don't fully agree with the option of "well you could always just add aftermarket stuff you want" - I should be able to buy it that way.

I think I get what you are saying. To me the VFR has always been a "compromise" there are faster bike, better handling bikes, better touring bikes, more comfortable bikes, etc. The thing is the VFR is an awsome ALL AROUND bike for those people who cannot have 4-5 specialty bikes to fill in all the roles of track bike, top speed racer, touring, etc.

Of course, I might have just said the most unpopular thing to ever be posted on this board, but that's my take on the VFR.

George

[image: View Post]adamf18, on Oct 8 2009, 08:57 AM, said:

Is it me or has Honda lost there way? I'll stick with my 6th gen version, this version is to big. I may as well buy an FJR or a Concours.

:+1:

I'm disappointed.... The 7th gen doesn't make my heart skip a beat, that's for sure. You can bet I'll be keeping my 6th gen and adding to the stable from there.

My take on all of this is:


VFR1200F = K1300S
VFR1200ST = K1300GT


I personally like the VFR1200F a lot, but wished for more fuel capacity. I bet the ST model will carry a lot of fuel.....

Given the propensity of VFR owners to do most of their own maintenance, I'm hoping the oil filter is accessible without having to remove a side fairing. ;)

Well i'm liking it but really want to see it in person. I think Honda's done what everyones been asking for, more HP seemed to be the common complaint. Yeah its got a bit heavier but added 50+ hp, i'd say power to weight has just gone way up. If your looking for something lighter and sportier then Hondas got ya covered with 2 remarkable bikes, the 600 and 1000 RR's so what more do ya want. I've never complained about HP as I think all the VFR's i've owned, (4th, 5th and 6th) have all had what I've needed for the street but now they've given even more. I love the wheels, the 8 spoker is the king of hoops and to me the bodywork seems incredibly well put together, super smooth with no exposed fasteners, more than the typical Honda's awesome fit and finish. Everyones comparing it to the BMW'S but they're forgetting this is a Honda, certainly theres elements that are BMWish but i'd be putting my faith in Big Red, if for nothing else but not having to deal with my local stuck up BMW dealer, do all there dealers think the sun shines outta there azzes?
I'm not liking the exhaust based off the pics but thats about it, bet it sounds good though even with that monstrosity. I applaud Honda for finally giving us an updated and more sophisicated VFR, we've been asking and IMO they've delivered!!

Yeah i'm not liking the reduced fuel capacity either, hopefully fuel economy will allow 200 per tank.

[image: View Post]TimC, on Oct 9 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

Given the propensity of VFR owners to do most of their own maintenance, I'm hoping the oil filter is accessible without having to remove a side fairing. ;)


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Looks like the filter is in a good location.... hopefully it's easy to expose.

[image: View Post]gstanfield, on Oct 9 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

I think I get what you are saying. To me the VFR has always been a "compromise" there are faster bike, better handling bikes, better touring bikes, more comfortable bikes, etc. The thing is the VFR is an awsome ALL AROUND bike for those people who cannot have 4-5 specialty bikes to fill in all the roles of track bike, top speed racer, touring, etc.

Of course, I might have just said the most unpopular thing to ever be posted on this board, but that's my take on the VFR.

You're not unpopular with me. I'd also add that having multiple specialty bikes will consign a rider to a life of trailering. I don't care to do all my traveling in a car or truck and I find loading my bikes onto trailers or trucks, very stressful. I need a bike I can ride there, and have fun on when I get there, wherever "there" is. The touring flourishes on this bike are a welcome addition. Pity about the small tank range, but other than that I like it more and more.

Didn't you guys read the fine print!?!? There's an optional side case fuel cell kit!!! It adds 35L of fuel capacity!!!!! No need to worry about range now!!!




Just kidding.



I actually kinda like the looks of it too, other than the exhaust. The sleek, no exposed fastner fairings look great to me.
Weight. . . .seems heavy to me, but if the power compensates, who cares? There are very few people on this board using their VFR's on the track regularly where weight is really a factor; and those that are have chopped and modded to the hilt, and more power to them!!
High Tech goodies: have to wait and see. I'd like to get in the saddle of one of these and put a few miles under me before passing final judgement.

I'm just glad that we all have something to talk about now!!!

[image: View Post]JHKolb, on Oct 9 2009, 05:22 AM, said:

I would have been at the dealer yesterday putting a deposit down if the new model had added maybe 5-10 Hp, heated grips/seat, electronic cruise control, ABS (from the CBR), a slipper clutch and maybe even a shafty, 6 gal tank and priced under $15K - to me that would be the perfect all around Sport Tourer. Hell, once you add all the ST stuff to this new VFR12K; hard bags, GPS, heated stuff, a comfy seat, touring screen, Throttle master, etc. it would be cheaper to by the BMW K13.

Bags, GPS, heated grips, touring screen, etc are not standard on a K13S. And they are also options for the VFR. K13S doesn't have cruise control, so adding some sort of throttle control to both would cost about the same.

And the VFR1200F does have a slipper clutch. It also has CBS ABS that is very similar to the CBR.

[image: View Post]TripleH, on Oct 8 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

I'm sorry, I'm NOT feeling the love, at all...

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Looks exactly like the big brother of the CBR1000RR. put them side by side and it is easy to see.

[image: View Post]JHKolb, on Oct 9 2009, 06:22 AM, said:

Well, I like the new VFR12K, but am still disappointed in its lack of true touring specs. Many seem to be/have been hoping for a more supersport type of reincarnation for the VFR which i do not completely understand. If you want a track bike why force the VFR into that role when you could go to a CBR?

Some of us have been riding Interceptors since they first came out. We remember what it was like to ride, and in some instances like myself, race a cutting-edge sport bike with a V4 in it. I have raced V4s and I have raced I4s, and the difference in power delivery is quite pronounced, especially at the smaller displacements. I have a CBR 600. I have a GSX-R 750. They are fine bikes but what I really want is a 600-800cc Interceptor that is light and powerful. I am not alone in that desire. I love my 6th gen. It is an awesome street bike. But what I want, and will vote for with my dollars, is a moderate displacement V4 supersport from Honda.

I think everyone has gotten into the mindset (understandably) that there is "a" VFR. But Honda has clearly stated that multiple V4 bikes are coming. I think rather than all this whining about how this first bike is a failure, we should look at it as merely the first of several. It will not appeal to everyone but it will appeal to some, just like any bike. I happen to like what I see so far. Honda has obviously put a lot of thought and effort into the bike. Hopefully they have a team that has done the same for a supersport. Only Honda knows for now. But they keep talking about their V4 racing heritage and that leads me to believe they have something radical up their sleeve, like they did with very first Interceptor in 1983...

Dirk

Guys,
I like the looks of it....but I have a VFR and aST1300 and they are both paid for....
So why do I wat to get rid of my perfectly good bikes just because a new model has come out....nah not me...I'm gonna get me some more goodie out of mine first..... oh the weight posted is a DRY weight...no oil, water nothing slippery.....
Rod

Well, some model is getting adjustable forks apparently. Go full size on the pic for close up. & is that a button for heated grips?
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[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 9 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

Well, some model is getting adjustable forks apparently. Go full size on the pic for close up. & is that a button for heated grips?

Yes, that button shows a grip with heat lines going through it. I can't imagine that would be anything but heated grips. Maybe those are scent lines-- scented hand grips!! :laugh:


Strange the touring VFR-ST would have a damping control but not the VFR-F....

[image: View Post]adamf18, on Oct 8 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

Is it me or has Honda lost there way? I'll stick with my 6th gen version, this version is to big. I may as well buy an FJR or a Concours.

I own a 6th gen VFR, and a 2006 FJR. The FJR is a great bike, but it isn't as fun to ride as my Interceptor. The FJR feels like a heavyweight, the Interceptor feels like a lightweight, and that makes ALL the difference.

Is this BIG new VFR a worthy successor within the VFR pantheon of genuinely exclusive sport-tourers, or just another alternative to the FJR, Concours, etc.?

Only time and experience will tell, but it doesn't sound good for the future of the VFR as most of us know and love it.

Cycle World has this to say:

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?sect...article_id=1738

[image: View Post]adamf18, on Oct 8 2009, 06:57 AM, said:

Is it me or has Honda lost there way? I'll stick with my 6th gen version, this version is to big. I may as well buy an FJR or a Concours.

My initial reaction was to agree with you. The bike looks too big. However I thought the DN-01 (Honda's scooter/bike hybrid) looked way too big -- until I saw it in person. There is a possibility that the bike may actually be smaller than it looks, so I'll reserve my opinions until I see it.

I wonder if they'll have one at the motorcycle expo this Jan.....................Hhmmmmmmm

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Oct 9 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

Pity about the small tank range, but other than that I like it more and more.

The quoted gas mileage of 36.5 mpg is from the WMTC, World Motorcycle Test Cycle, procedure, not the typical EU or US testing. I believe the WMTC is a rigorous 3 stage test of slow, medium and high speed running and all 3 measurements are then averaged. I suspect with the old US standards we're used to it will put up numbers more like 40 mpg city, 45 mpg highway, but I guess we'll see.

And I suspect the 76 degree motor with throttle bodies that look to mount straight down on top of the V instead of being 'cradled' is what lead to the smaller tank capacity, along with the electronic throttle by wire set up that must be hidden in there.

I bet it will go more than 200 miles on a tank, maybe 201 or 202? :dry:

There was crack smoke'in going on when the committee decided to put that muffler on there.
That's ridiculous. Nice bike though.

With drive by wire it is just plain stupid for it not to have cruise control. With a drive by wire system it only takes a few minor components and some programming in the ecu to make it work, the cruise would have cost Honda about $.37 to add to the bike as there would be no need for servos, cables, vacuum lines, etc. All it would have added would be a switch, a couple of wires and the right programming to pull it off. Oh well, just another though of "why not, Honda"

George

[image: View Post]MachineBuilder, on Oct 9 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

There was crack smoke'in going on when the committee decided to put that muffler on there.
That's ridiculous. Nice bike though.


So many of the new bikes have big ugly mufflers. It's all about noise and pollution requirements. I'm sure the folks at the factories are not thrilled about having to put these types of complicated, expensive, ugly mufflers on, but they have their marching orders, we have aftermarket products.

I'd love to see Remus develop a twin undertail exhaust for it. OMG!

With the exception of the weight and the exhaust (which don't matter because that would be first to go anyway) I really like it!

Weight wise its heavy but the VFR isnt exactly light for a 800cc motorcycle by today's standards either.

I just hope its priced to sell and not priced to sit. Heres hoping that it won't cost anymore than a Hayabusa.

[image: View Post]UFO, on Oct 9 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

Bags, GPS, heated grips, touring screen, etc are not standard on a K13S. And they are also options for the VFR. K13S doesn't have cruise control, so adding some sort of throttle control to both would cost about the same.

And the VFR1200F does have a slipper clutch. It also has CBS ABS that is very similar to the CBR.

True for the K13S, but the 2010 K13GT with the Premium Package does have all those things from the factory and covered under factory warranty. Also, from the K13GT includes the hard panniers in the base price. The S is I guess the more stripped Sport model while the GT is the more Touring equipped version.

Maybe by ship date for the new VFR there will be a GT (Touring) model other than the base F? And didn't the ST1300 have an available cruise (like the GoldWing) option that may carry over to the new VFR?

Has anyone seen any pics of the bar area with the automatic? I'd like to see what that setup is going to look like. Maybe Honda will recycle leftover ATV ESP shifters for it - :blush: