So We Don't All Like The Muffler...

I enjoy dabbling with Photoshop (and am far from an expert!) but I was thinking today about how an aftermarket exhaust might look on the new VFR1200F.


Stock:
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Staintune:
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Hindle:
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Laser Underseat:
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Remus Ti:
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Leo Vince Moto GP with fender:
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Leo Vince Moto GP without fender:
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SBK GP STYLE EVOII GSX-R 600/750 2008-2009
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Ninja 650 muffler with fender:
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Ninja 650 muffler without fender:
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Some of these likely wouldn't work well due to the volume needed to muffle a 1200 cc motor. I can imagine that it won't take long before we see some more modern and visually interesting mufflers that will flow with the bike a little bit better.

The answer to this question is the GP exhaust that we've all seen on the newer bikes. Dump it out in front of the rear tire, I'm sure it'll be loud, but it'll look COOL!

How about a MotoGP can(s)

Good job Brit, but now try Remus titaniums with their shorter cans. Those are long suckers you used.

Very CBRlike. :unsure:

Hey that was a good effort, but the more :beer: :beer: :beer: that I drink tonight, I still don't think she looks pretty!

Now this is what they should look like!!!!!!!!!!
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Interestingly, the 7-year-old viffer has a much sharper rear profile than the exotic Duck right next to it. Hmmm.

Holy smokes!! So, all of a sudden, this thing is a lot more likeable!! Seriously, this is interesting work. Now, can you trim some weight off that beast?!??! :blink:

Just kidding. Good work though, and I like the title of the thread. :blush:
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This bike is in dire need of dual underseat aftermarket cans. That Photoshop of the underseat Staintunes looks really sweet, BrittC. Nice work.

Chop away.................. should come out where the footguard is. :cool:

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I think a pre-2008 CBR underseat twin can set up would be fantastic.

The stock can looks better than all of those IMHO.

[image: View Post]Flightar, on Oct 9 2009, 10:07 PM, said:

The stock can looks better than all of those IMHO.


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Same with the current gen CBR1000RR. Hated it at first, but looks better than all the other aftermarket exhaust cans with the exception of Taylormade.

[image: View Post]Flightar, on Oct 9 2009, 10:07 PM, said:

The stock can looks better than all of those IMHO.

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None of them compliments the lines of the bike. No disrespect intended to the 'shop work; it's better than anything I could do. I think the aftermarket manufacturers are going to have to come up with something new for this bike.

Maybe Honda should route the exhaust through the swingarm next time? :idea3:

Call me parochial if you will, but the Staintune looks the best.

Can you photoshop something like this on?

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[image: View Post]PolarBear, on Oct 10 2009, 12:07 AM, said:

Holy smokes!! So, all of a sudden, this thing is a lot more likeable!! Seriously, this is interesting work. Now, can you trim some weight off that beast?!??! :blink:

I would imagine that a really good MotoGP style aftermarket can could shave maybe 10 pounds right there.

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 10 2009, 03:20 AM, said:

Can you photoshop something like this on?

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+1. Exactly what I was thinking!

Something tells me that the after-market pipe manufacturers are going to be very busy for a while.

the only problem is that you will need the fender to mount your saddlebags. One of the recesses for the top mount lies in the fender, aft of the taillight.

The stock one would probably look better if it wasn't CHROME! Nothing else on the bike is chrome, kinda makes it cheesy looking.

Stock can looks to me like it used to be part of the front bumper on a 1959 Cadillac! Or maybe a 58 Plymouth or DeSoto.

[image: View Post]jderou, on Oct 10 2009, 09:40 PM, said:

The stock one would probably look better if it wasn't CHROME! Nothing else on the bike is chrome, kinda makes it cheesy looking.
That's actually a really good point, but I love Staintunes so I don't think that chrome look is ever out of place!


A nice set of stubby staintunes would look great I think - a pair of two vertically stacked small ones is what I'm thinking, exiting at the same place the stock can does.

But sounding a million times better of course.

I said it before - they tried to copy the K1300S - take a look:

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[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 10 2009, 02:20 AM, said:

Can you photoshop something like this on?

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I couldn't find a larger example to work with so here it is based on the pic you posted:

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[image: View Post]Veefer Madness, on Oct 9 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Chop away.................. should come out where the footguard is. :cool:

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I'm heading out of town for a long weekend, but if anyone has anything else they'd like me to chop for them, I'll check in next week.....

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Perfect!!

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Can you photoshop something like this on?

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I couldn't find a larger example to work with so here it is based on the pic you posted:

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I think this is the best look by a wide margin. If the blacks were the same color that would look great. It would probably lose a few pounds as well. That stock can is hideous.... kinda makes me wonder if Honda doesn't own a couple of aftermarket exhaust companies on the down low... Because nobody is going to leave that on their bike. I like the new bike but I am from the lighter,sportier ( or at least as sporty), better suspension crew. This thing looks a little more touring oriented than I hoped for. Is there really a couple of more V4 sport bikes coming out based on this bike? Anyone who knows post up the info please. I love the V4 I like the power delivery the sound the vibes so I really don't want a cbr. I want a 1000cc sporting V4 and it doesn't even have to have 150 hp either ( although that would be nice). Until then I'll keep the 5th gen.

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Perfect!!

I agree. That is a really good look.

You said that you are not very good with photo shop. Well those look pretty darn good to me. I like the one with the rear fender removed. Good job on the Photochop.

Y'know...seeing it the first time I didnt like the stocker either, but seeing those pics with the old style mufflers makes the stocker look pretty good to me. Non of them go with the new style of the bike..Probly something along the lines of the stocker only a bit smaller and way lighter will be the way to go. Modern bike needs modern pipe. Nice work tho!

BTW..i now see the black ones that say perfect....thats closer!! make em silver or chrome tho..too much black for me.. :)

[image: View Post]jderou, on Oct 10 2009, 05:58 AM, said:

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I'm surprised that no one is complaining about how the bottom half of the bike looks like it's clad in flat gray Tupperware, a la the Pontiac Aztec or early Honda Elements (a brushed aluminum frame would actually be much better in this case. Maybe someone can photochop that in?). And it certainly doesn't help that the shapes are so uncomplementary. I'm sure the aftermarket will help, but I haven't seen a thing yet that floats my boat.

I reckon the new ZX-10R's muffler would probably go down a treat on the VFR1200F... (google it)

[image: View Post]alwaysaware, on Oct 10 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

I like the one with the rear fender removed. Good job on the Photochop.

+1 Yes, the bike looks much better without all that goofy-looking license tag/
reflector appendage mutating out the arse end. Now that you've dispensed
with the alien muffler can you do something about that fugly pug-nose with
its LSD-inspired headlight? Something similar to a K1300S or CBR1100XX?

Thanks in advance. :biggrin:

[image: View Post]melvis, on Oct 12 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

And now the question of the day - what is it with the cans on new bikes these days? Some look like blunderbusses, yet others like rubbish bins and without a doubt, they all look like krappe. Yeah, there's emissions and noise, blah blah, easily handled with modern tech - gimme aesthetically pleasing design that doesn't make your pride and joy look like a shop class freakout...

I think every manufacturer is experimenting to find the "next big thing" in muffler design. I mean, the standard conventional exhaust design has been around for, well forever. And now it is finally coming under the microscope, like everything else for multiple reasons - reducing weight, mass centralization, noise limits, etc.

I like it, its progress. For years though everyone was concerned with the right length exhaust, power pulses and rarefraction wavelengths... So although I can see they are smaller and closer to the center of mass, I am not sure how these shorty exhausts and collector boxes do the same job with powerbands.

The only gripe I really have on the stock exhaust is: why there is one round outlet and the other is triangular?! With a grille!! :blink:

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[image: View Post]melvis, on Oct 12 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

And now the question of the day - what is it with the cans on new bikes these days? Some look like blunderbusses, yet others like rubbish bins and without a doubt, they all look like krappe. Yeah, there's emissions and noise, blah blah, easily handled with modern tech - gimme aesthetically pleasing design that doesn't make your pride and joy look like a shop class freakout...

I think every manufacturer is experimenting to find the "next big thing" in muffler design. I mean, the standard conventional exhaust design has been around for, well forever. And now it is finally coming under the microscope, like everything else for multiple reasons - reducing weight, mass centralization, noise limits, etc.

I like it, its progress. For years though everyone was concerned with the right length exhaust, power pulses and rarefraction wavelengths... So although I can see they are smaller and closer to the center of mass, I am not sure how these shorty exhausts and collector boxes do the same job with powerbands.

The only gripe I really have on the stock exhaust is: why there is one round outlet and the other is triangular?! With a grille!! :blink:

You want to know where all the extra weight on this bike comes from, it's the exhaust pipes! Out the front cylinders, bent around towards the right to clear the radiator probably, then wrapped back to the left of the motor around the oil pan then back to the right behind the motor to the muffler. What a complicated mess, must weight 30 pounds!

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[image: View Post]jderou, on Oct 10 2009, 10:58 PM, said:

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Perfect!!
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I really like the mods we've done to this bike already :) Who's gonna be the first to get thiers, and who will be the first to pull it to bits? I'm looking forward to the first VFR1200 FrankenViFfeR thread :)

As to the tank and its capacity, I wonder how much space is available under the skin of the tank? I know you can buy a higher capicity (+4L?) plastic tank to replace the one under the metal skin of the Duc 1098...

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[image: View Post]Terminex, on Oct 10 2009, 02:55 PM, said:

+1 I would love to get a taylormade for my '08 CBR1000RR, but it isn't worth the price to me. Aesthetically though it is very pleasing.

+1, it doesn't make any significant power gains. The Arata slip-on is the best choice for the bike. The Taylormade is like putting tassles on your handlebars. (Not a fan of spending a thousand bucks on looks alone).

You don't need any more power up top on a Fireblade unless you are racing it.

One of the things often overlooked about aftermarket free-flowing exhaust systems is the mid-range gain they offer, and the way they can help tune out the 5k rpm dip in torque that is a necessary evil in getting the bike through stationary noise tests.

A Staintune on a 4th Gen adds maybe 1hp up top, but it's how it brings the midrange alive that makes it worthwhile.

I don't want to muck with mine too much but I think I'll probably take the chrome heat shield off and have it coated in matte black. To me the chrome just doesn't belong.

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on Oct 13 2009, 02:42 AM, said:

You don't need any more power up top on a Fireblade unless you are racing it.

One of the things often overlooked about aftermarket free-flowing exhaust systems is the mid-range gain they offer, and the way they can help tune out the 5k rpm dip in torque that is a necessary evil in getting the bike through stationary noise tests.

A Staintune on a 4th Gen adds maybe 1hp up top, but it's how it brings the midrange alive that makes it worthwhile.

Yes I know all of this already. The Arata adds power in the rev range, the Taylormade, not so much. It's a cosmetic piece. I'll take midrange gains all day, not that the CBR needed it.

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The stock doesn't look as bad in black..

[image: View Post]elittle, on Oct 13 2009, 11:01 PM, said:

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The stock doesn't look as bad in black..


Black is always more slimming...... :biggrin:

Can't you photo shop a under the tail system on that? It's what Honda should have done in the first place. MV Agusta kaliopi would look fantastic I think.

[image: View Post]JTG, on Oct 12 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

:+1: I really like this!

The only change I would make is to carry the red paint over to the tail of the bike. The whole design is visually weighted towards the front since they didn't carry the color on to the back of the bike. I think it just looks more visually balanced this way. Nice call on the exhaust though :fing02:

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I agree the color in the tail helps a lot as well.