The awesomeness of the BMW 1000RR

No words necessary

14,200RPM

But only after 600miles... http://www.asphaltan...00rr-rev-limit/

Honda was turning WAY higher rpm than this over 40 years ago without the aid of computers/cad programs, etc.

[image: View Post]FotoMoto, on 10 March 2010 - 09:07 PM, said:

Honda was turning WAY higher rpm than this over 40 years ago without the aid of computers/cad programs, etc.

Albeit with MUCH smaller displacement racers, not liter bike production models. They were revving crazy high, I think there was a 125cc racer that revved to 21.5Krpm.

With something like 200 horses coming from 999 cc's, it kind of makes me wonder about engine life. And you know, it's funny about how the 7th gen. VFR looks like a Beemer but nobody mentions how Japanese the 1000RR looks.

But yes, it's an awesome bike (and that's putting it mildly.)

A friend that works at the BMW dealership snagged the demo model from the showroom and brought it to the Gap a couple of weeks ago. I need to get him to let me do a test ride. Another friend is in the process of buying one, I think it's a very innovative bike. Just think how much more power it would have with a chain drive. How much power is usually lost through a shaft? Not that anyone needs more than 190 HP.

[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on 10 March 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

Just think how much more power it would have with a chain drive. How much power is usually lost through a shaft?

The S1000RR is indeed chain-drive. ;)

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/219959/images/BMW_S1000RR.jpg

[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on 10 March 2010 - 09:58 PM, said:

A friend that works at the BMW dealership snagged the demo model from the showroom and brought it to the Gap a couple of weeks ago. I need to get him to let me do a test ride. Another friend is in the process of buying one, I think it's a very innovative bike. Just think how much more power it would have with a chain drive. How much power is usually lost through a shaft? Not that anyone needs more than 190 HP.
The BMW is chain driven.

I test-rode one 2 weeks ago, back to back with the Aprilia RSV4-R.

They are both awesome, but to me the BMW is awesomer :)

I'm getting the BMW - but theres at least a 3 month waiting list down here... :lurk:

[image: View Post]carlitos92, on 10 March 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on 10 March 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

Just think how much more power it would have with a chain drive. How much power is usually lost through a shaft?

The S1000RR is indeed chain-drive. ;)

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/219959/images/BMW_S1000RR.jpg

Well indeed it is, honestly I friend had told me that it was shaft while we were discussing the bike. I hadn't bothered to check it out myself, I stand corrected.

[image: View Post]AB-Oz, on 10 March 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

I test-rode one 2 weeks ago, back to back with the Aprilia RSV4-R.

They are both awesome, but to me the BMW is awesomer :)

I'm getting the BMW - but theres at least a 3 month waiting list down here... :lurk:

I am sure it can also slice vegetables, but it just does nothing for me. At least the story is reversed, a German company came along and copies the Japanese and improves it along the way. The 'priller has a V4 which I just want them to stick into a tourer so that those of us disappointed with the VFRWing can have another choice in v4 touring bikes.

And the assymetrical headlights are still hideous.

[image: View Post]EmeraldVFR, on 10 March 2010 - 08:53 PM, said:

With something like 200 horses coming from 999 cc's, it kind of makes me wonder about engine life. And you know, it's funny about how the 7th gen. VFR looks like a Beemer but nobody mentions how Japanese the 1000RR looks.

But yes, it's an awesome bike (and that's putting it mildly.)

I think BMW is taking a gamble by releasing the stock production bike in such a high state of tune, engine durability has to be a major concern which is probably why they software limit the rpm to 9K during the initial run in.
This gives BMW bragging rights for sure (at least on the street) but over the long haul there will be a price to be paid for such a high strung engine. The bike is too new for any stress related problems to surface but in time the problems will begin to manifest themselves.

On the race track in world superbike trim, the BMW does not appear to have any hp advantage over the competition. Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki all routinely finish on top of the BMW both last year and now it appears this year too. BMW is the new kid on the block and still developing their bike, but it just goes to show that bragging rights on the showroom does not automatically translate to bragging rights on the podium.

Keith Code picked up a fleet of them for his Cali Superbike School! Sweet! :fing02:

More S1000RR awesomeness :laugh:
[video: http://www.youtube.com/v/-cM9S2AzU28]

[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on 11 March 2010 - 12:27 AM, said:

[image: View Post]carlitos92, on 10 March 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Gap Trash, on 10 March 2010 - 10:58 PM, said:

Just think how much more power it would have with a chain drive. How much power is usually lost through a shaft?

The S1000RR is indeed chain-drive. http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/219959/images/BMW_S1000RR.jpg

Well indeed it is, honestly I friend had told me that it was shaft while we were discussing the bike. I hadn't bothered to check it out myself, I stand corrected.

What about Insurance for the beast, your friend have any numbers yet ?

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on 11 March 2010 - 06:46 AM, said:

More S1000RR awesomeness :laugh:
[video: http://www.youtube.com/v/-cM9S2AzU28]


I love how everyone goes nuts at the end. Passion is what it's all about.

You know, I really hate reading the comments at the bottom of the You tube videos, shows how primitive of a society we are. :dry:

I enjoyed the commercial, but don't need to be told it's a fake by an internet genius. :beatdeadhorse:

[image: View Post]tarun, on 11 March 2010 - 12:31 AM, said:

And the assymetrical headlights are still hideous.
Yeah, but you only see them when you're off the bike! ;p

The local BMW dealer may have a demo on hand, but I'm almost afraid to test ride it. I'd probably end up studying my monthly budget, trying to find what I can cut in order to afford the payments for a new RR...

"Cable, don't need. Cellphone, don't really need. Electricity...hmm, electricity..." :laugh:

More awesomeness ;)

http://www.facebook....19528429&ref=mf

[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 11 March 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

I think BMW is taking a gamble by releasing the stock production bike in such a high state of tune, engine durability has to be a major concern which is probably why they software limit the rpm to 9K during the initial run in.
This gives BMW bragging rights for sure (at least on the street) but over the long haul there will be a price to be paid for such a high strung engine. The bike is too new for any stress related problems to surface but in time the problems will begin to manifest themselves.

On the race track in world superbike trim, the BMW does not appear to have any hp advantage over the competition. Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki all routinely finish on top of the BMW both last year and now it appears this year too. BMW is the new kid on the block and still developing their bike, but it just goes to show that bragging rights on the showroom does not automatically translate to bragging rights on the podium.

True, but they have tested it a bit. Apparently before they hit the showrooms BMW had 300 stock bikes tested all over the world, put 1m KM on them in total.

[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 11 March 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

On the race track in world superbike trim, the BMW does not appear to have any hp advantage over the competition. Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki all routinely finish on top of the BMW both last year and now it appears this year too. BMW is the new kid on the block and still developing their bike, but it just goes to show that bragging rights on the showroom does not automatically translate to bragging rights on the podium.

On the contrary - the WSB grid to a man seems to consider the S1000RR to be the hp monster of the pack. It is pretty much the most powerful thing out there. The problem Corser and Xaus are experiencing is in getting that power down out of corners.

I like it. A lot. And I like the green color, too. And the asymetrical plastics and headlights. But I don't think my knees will bend enough to be able to ride it. http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/tour.gif

hmm, I'm subbed on 3 BMW/s1000rr forums and it seems there is 1 case of a seized engine, after about 230 miles. He hasn't heard what action they will take yet, but he's not too happy about it !

[image: View Post]AB-Oz, on 11 March 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

hmm, I'm subbed on 3 BMW/s1000rr forums and it seems there is 1 case of a seized engine, after about 230 miles. He hasn't heard what action they will take yet, but he's not too happy about it !

230 miles out of an engine wouldn't make my day.it's always makes sense to wait for the second production year.

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 11 March 2010 - 03:36 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 11 March 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

On the race track in world superbike trim, the BMW does not appear to have any hp advantage over the competition. Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki all routinely finish on top of the BMW both last year and now it appears this year too. BMW is the new kid on the block and still developing their bike, but it just goes to show that bragging rights on the showroom does not automatically translate to bragging rights on the podium.

On the contrary - the WSB grid to a man seems to consider the S1000RR to be the hp monster of the pack. It is pretty much the most powerful thing out there. The problem Corser and Xaus are experiencing is in getting that power down out of corners.

Yeah, I remember Corser on several occasions come from the 3rd or 4th row up to 3rd or so on several starts. Their biggest problem is trying to develop their own Engine mgt/traction control/super duper electronics themselves. Give them some more time! :fing02:

BMW should have joined the radials and entered a V4 or "Virtual V4"
because there is mounting evidence that taking the conservative route
just doesn't cut no more in WSBK... all the Droners (Ducati Aprilia
Yamaha) were mostly at the front of the pack whereas the screamers
Honda Suzuki BMW Kawasaki were mostly at the rear of the pack


Kenny Noyes test the Troy Corser's BMW at Portimao... fast bike but
demanding to ride... he also thinks it should have been a V4 or at least a cross
plane crank I4... the old cammy hit I4 days are numbered...

Quote Kenny Noyes:

"The new BMW is, hands down, the most powerful of the seven bikes I rode at
Portimao. The new S1OOORR is one of the most thrilling bikes I have ever
ridden as far as sheer power. In fact, only the early 990cc MotoGP
Desmosedici was more of a thrill to open the throttle on. Troy Corser's BMW
comes on hard and explodes through the power band all the way up to the
rev limiter. But you would need an airport or a NASCAR oval for this to be an
advantage over the rest. It was too much, too bright and too hard to control.
making it the fastest but also the hardest bike to ride. The Kawasaki and the
Suzuki were not much better and while the Honda was nicer coming out of the
corners it didn't come close to producing the confidence and the control I felt
on the bikes with V and big-bang engines."

"The only bike that was a little harder for me to feel confident on was
the BMW. With a brand new bike and team the top German motorcycle
manufacturer could probably have been reasonably happy with its first
year in the World Superbike paddock if it weren't for those black and
red Aprilias. All the talk about taking a year to learn the track set
-up, tires, power management, etc. doesn't really work if the other
new bike in the Championship is finishing on the podium. BMW had a
real professional 2009 effort with two fast riders, (as well as a test
team headed up by this year's Endurance World Champion Steve Martin)
dedicated to improving the S1000RR. The bike looks cool and, as I said
at the start of this article, is the fastest bike out there but it's
also the most demanding to ride. The frame is very rigid and even at a
slow pace I felt vibration under braking so chattering has got to be
an issue at some tracks. The handling itself is pretty neutral and
balanced but the combination of the rigid chassis and very strong
power makes the bike a real handful coming out of the turns."

"The team is working on different solutions to improve the bike's
general ride ability and traction in Superbike trim and I'm sure the
bike will be better next year but the problem is simple: The Yamaha
and the Aprilia will also improve. With such a history making
different motorcycles with boxer engines and drives shafts I was
surprised to see BMW build a Japanese-like 1000cc Inline Four to go
Superbike racing. If the company had decided on a V4 or_a_big bang
engine_configuration surely the bike would have been closer to the
front."

I've only had the privilege to sit on one, but let me tell you, it felt like power wheelies and speeding tickets :491:

Its really pretty cool that the horsepower wars are coming to an end, because they will now focus on how that power is delivered, as well as chassis design and suspension, which I think trickles down a lot more effectively to the average street rider than 190HP (not that 190hp isn't fun :wheel: )

[image: View Post]1976Mike, on 10 March 2010 - 09:55 PM, said:

No words necessary

14,200RPM

A game changer for sure. BIKE magazine dynoed one and had 183 hp at the back tire. That's 3 more than a 'Busa. BMW is developing their own electronics package which is daunting enough without developing a new bike as well. Give 'um a couple years. Not slamming old Honda motors that revved their guts out but even though they went to 21K rpm how much horse power did they make? Guys, 183hp at the back tire...STOCK! :woohoo: :woohoo: Pipe and tuned, I would not be surprised if it does not have 195-200hp at the tire when it is said and done. Plus, wheelie control, traction control, etc. = real humans can ride it and afford it. Later, JD

PS - I remember old Harley riders talking about the 750 and then 900/1000cc bikes making 40 more than their 1200 VTwins..."Them damn Jap motors will never last!" :pissed:

[image: View Post]AB-Oz, on 11 March 2010 - 12:46 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 11 March 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

I think BMW is taking a gamble by releasing the stock production bike in such a high state of tune, engine durability has to be a major concern which is probably why they software limit the rpm to 9K during the initial run in.
This gives BMW bragging rights for sure (at least on the street) but over the long haul there will be a price to be paid for such a high strung engine. The bike is too new for any stress related problems to surface but in time the problems will begin to manifest themselves.

On the race track in world superbike trim, the BMW does not appear to have any hp advantage over the competition. Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki all routinely finish on top of the BMW both last year and now it appears this year too. BMW is the new kid on the block and still developing their bike, but it just goes to show that bragging rights on the showroom does not automatically translate to bragging rights on the podium.

True, but they have tested it a bit. Apparently before they hit the showrooms BMW had 300 stock bikes tested all over the world, put 1m KM on them in total.
1Mkm/300=3333kM average per bike. Hardly something on which to base long term durability if true.

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on 11 March 2010 - 01:36 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 11 March 2010 - 05:24 PM, said:

On the race track in world superbike trim, the BMW does not appear to have any hp advantage over the competition. Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki all routinely finish on top of the BMW both last year and now it appears this year too. BMW is the new kid on the block and still developing their bike, but it just goes to show that bragging rights on the showroom does not automatically translate to bragging rights on the podium.

On the contrary - the WSB grid to a man seems to consider the S1000RR to be the hp monster of the pack. It is pretty much the most powerful thing out there. The problem Corser and Xaus are experiencing is in getting that power down out of corners.

Therein lies the problem: HP for the sake of HP doesn't win races. Remember the Aprilia RS3 Cube MotoGP bike? It had F1 derived pneumatic valves and power characteristics, fast as hell on top but completely and utterly useless on the track, just ask Colin Edwards or Haga. At least Aprilia learned something from that debacle. BMW in their exuberance seem to be making the same mistake, too much like F1 and not enough like R1.