I waited 6 months for this ride. I scoured the web for any morsel, read every magazine article, lurked on every message board. I wanted this motorcycle in a bad, bad way. Did I set myself up for disappointment? Was it worth the wait?
Motor: This is the really important part... the root word of "motorcycle". A big reason of mine for wanting the VFR was its unique motor. An unconventional, powerful V4 that looked or sounded like nothing before it. What surprised me is that the VFR came with 2 motors. There's the quiet docile smooth but mostly unexciting motor that provides propulsion under 5500RPM and there's the howling fighter plane motor that takes over after that.
The sound is unusual. It actually sounds like 2 motors running simultaneously. The crankshaft layout and firing order are said to make the motor behave as 2 parallel twins, and it even sounds that way. It's quiet and unassuming below 5500RPM but above that the noise is just awesome. I've heard it likened to an old radial-engined warbird... I think that's a good comparison.
The VFR is powerful but like other fast Hondas, it's "deceptively fast" which is to say that the speed sneaks up and catches you by surprise. And it's torquey. If not for the gear indicator I would have been completely clueless as to what gear I was in. It's smooth and powerful at all speeds, and was hitting the rev limiter well before my senses were programmed to expect it. It isn't an overly exciting motor, it's just a really good one with lots of power all the time but never intimidating or overwhelming.... and it makes cool noises. Walk softly and carry a big stick.
I've been defending the VFR from all of the critics, cynics and haters, and one of the biggest criticisms is the limited range. Well, as much as I love the bike, this criticism is deserved. On my first ride, I stopped for fuel with 2 bars (out of 7) showing on the fuel gauge and 160Km showing on the odometer. It took 12.3 Litres to fill. Later, on the way home, the bottom bar started flashing.I got stuck in a traffic jam, but made it to a gas station near my house with 215Km showing on the trip odometer which I had reset when I filled up. It took 16.5 Litres of fuel. If my calculations are right, I was getting just under 31MPG (US Gallons). That's a range of 150 miles out of an 18.5L tank. That's shit. Now to be fair, I wanted to break the VFR's engine in using the "motoman" style... which is to say, I rode the bag off it. It spent much of its first day at full throttle, often over 120MPH for extended stretches. It will get better mileage under "normal" riding and I'm sure the motor will "loosen up" as it breaks in but I'm still disappointed. Yes, I defended it and I drank the Kool-Aid but Honda, you fucked up. The VFR1200 should have a bigger tank.
Gearbox / Drivetrain: The gearbox is perfect, though it will take me a while to get used to the ratios. My last bike was designed with racing in mind and had gear ratios that worked on a racetrack. The VFR is purely a road bike and has ratios that work on the road. The biggest difference for me was a short first gear. I unintentionally tested the slipper clutch twice when I clicked down to first prematurely. (worked great BTW) The shift quality is perfect. I recall a Motorcyclist magazine test where they complained of it being notchy or clunky but I don't know what the hell they could have possibly been referring to. Changing gears on the VFR requires almost no effort at all, just a really light tap on the shifter. No clunks, barely even a click. Clutchless upshifts are a cinch. I hit a false neutral 1 or 2 times but only because I'd gotten so used to just lightly breathing on the shifter to make a change.
Shaft drive? Didn't notice. It didn't jack, snatch, lurch, shudder or any of it. I did notice that the final drive assembly gets quite hot... after some fast riding it is almost too hot to touch. The owner's manual recommends changing the final drive fluid every 24000 miles.
Brakes: Perfect. Firm, great feel, easy to modulate, and very powerful. It seemed strange to me that Honda didn't include their new C-ABS on this bike but I think I understand now. They worked really hard to make these brakes feel perfect, and no matter how good the technology is, you couldn't simulate "feel" this good. I haven't had the pleasure of testing the ABS yet. I stomped on the brake pedal a couple of times at low speeds to see if I could get it to lock up but it wouldn't. The back brake is linked to the front and actually slows the bike pretty effectively. I'm still trying to train myself to use the back brake... I never once touched it on my 600rr racebike.
Ride / Handling / Comfort: My first ride on the VFR happened to be my first ride on a streetbike in almost a year, so I was a bit rusty and overly cautious. The very first sweeping turn that I took on the VFR immediately had me at ease. It bends into turns and transitions effortlessly. It's unbelievably stable when leaned over and holds even a bad line with zero effort. A few times I found myself drifting inwards mid-turn, as I was giving it more effort than neccessary for the required amount of lean. This was easily remedied by adding throttle. Throttle adjustments are no trouble at all mid-turn. It's so smooth that even the biggest ham fists couldn't screw it up. The fact that I felt so at ease so quickly on this bike says a lot for it. Especially considering the off-season rust that my brain and body had accumulated. A light push on the bar or footpeg flops the VFR just as far over as you want it. The handling has a feel of quality that lets the rider know that a lot of people spent a lot of time getting it right. It is really really really good. I expected it to be good but I'm still impressed. The handling is brilliant.
Low speed handling is a laugh. Though the bike is heavy and a lot of work to push around the garage, once you're moving it feels extremely nimble and stable. Feet-up u-turns are a breeze. Parking lots are cake.
Air management is excellent... The layered fairing does its job very well. It provides a nice pocket of calm, still air from the feet to the shoulders... no turbulence, no buffeting. I get a calm steady flow of air into my helmet. When I tuck my head down to the tank, I can pinpoint the exact perimeter of the "bubble" as I go inside it. It feels like when you're driving your car down the highway and you roll up the open window. Lots of wind, lots of noise which slows a bit then stops suddenly when the window fully closes. And then instant serenity. Cool air is directed through the layers to the rider's legs... which is important, because the rear headers are next to your right leg. At low speeds the heat is very noticeable, but once you get rolling you can feel the fairing doing its job. The way the VFR manages air is very clever.
The VFR isn't as comfortable as I imagined it. Maybe I'm just too short. (5'9" with a 32" inseam)The seat is great... with a wide flat area at the back, a nice "berm" to hold the rider in place under heavy acceleration, and a narrow part at the front which allows me to hug the chassis with my knees and stand flat-flooted at a stop. For me the problem is a long reach to the bars. I end up sitting on the narrow part of the seat, which creates pressure points. I have to either straighten my arms out in front of me or bend my waist at an acute angle to sit on the wide comfortable part of the seat. Maybe I'll get used to it? Still, it's a typical VFR riding position that compromises sport and touring very effectively. The mirrors are excellent; good wide field of vision and no vibration.
Appearance / Quality / Fit & Finish: Can I say anything about the paint that hasn't been said? It's fucking exquisite. I've never seen anything like it. The fairings fit together immaculately, all of the materials are high-quality. Every surface has a quality texture. The instruments are clear and easy to read. The controls are excellent. Higher-grade switches are used. They are accurate, with no slop of freeplay. The click-on-click-off 4-way flasher switch is excellent. The horn button is big and has a good feel. The buttons even have a deep metal-flake finish. The attention to detail here is unbelievable.
Not all of the fit and finish was perfect. There are a couple rough spots: The taillight cowl is flimsy, and the front covers on the mirror stalks have a bit of an ugly big gap. Other than those 2 things.... wow.
Style is subjective but I just love the look of this bike. Every time I look at it I find something new that I never noticed before. Particularly beautiful to me is the way the tank cover flows into the fairing. It looks great from head-on, from behind, and from front or rear 3/4 views. Initially I wasn't sure about the slim tail attached to the girthy "core" but it just works. I love the way the seat integrates into the tail. Strangely, when looked at 2-dimensionally directly from the side the design seems a little incoherent, maybe awkward. But the VFR is very much a 3-dimensional design, and needs to be seen and felt in person to be appreciated. I think it's beautiful.
My overall impression is that I bought a motorcycle that a lot of people put a lot of thought into. The more I ride it the more I appreciate it. It seems the designers agonized over the details, then they agonized to make them all work together. Their effort shows. On paper it might not blow anyone's mind, but the attention to detail won't reveal itself in a spec sheet or brochure.
This is a magnificent motorcycle, and I look forward to many years and many miles with it.
:mad: PICTURES!!! you know we want them. Congrats on the new ride.
I forgot to include a bit about the suspension: Quality feel... soaks up bumps but firm and well-damped. The factory setting on the back was way too stiff for my 170lb carcass... bounced me right out of the seat a couple times on bigger bumps. I reduced preload by 1 click (half a turn) and it was perfect.
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Great review. Got about 250 miles on mine now and i agree with all your points. The tank is too small - but that's more of an inconvenience than a deal breaker (IMHO). The plus points, for me, are the effortless manner of the bike, the brakes and the plush suspension. I look forward to putting more miles on it as the weather improves.
All the best.
[image: View Post]paul thompson, on 18 April 2010 - 10:56 AM, said:
The tank is too small - but that's more of an inconvenience than a deal breaker (IMHO).
It's just a bit annoying on a bike like this.... but like you say, not a deal breaker.
I have to agree it is a 3d bike, 2d pics do not do it justice. On of my buddies took one for a test ride yesterday. I am 5'5" and it felt similar to my 4th gen for seat height but it was a lot more comfy then my corbin. He commented on how quiet it was just low RPM cruising. He said the brakes were great, just pull the front back a hair and you slow to a stop. He is not big on sport tour bikes, he is a spot bike rider and he seemed to like it. He did not get a chance to push it hard in the corners as he had to bring it back and already put 27 miles on it. It is not a demo bike it is the floor model that they normally do not demo but he knows the shop owner and was lucky enough to get to try it for a little bit. I am waiting for him to do a small review of it on our local forum I will copy it over when it is done.
Great review thanks.
So I guess you could say that this VFR is far greater than the sum of it's parts - much like previous models.
Thanks for the well written review.
VFRMike.
Congrats! :)
Great review - thanks for sharing it with us. :fing02:
[image: View Post]phobe, on 18 April 2010 - 10:52 AM, said:
I forgot to include a bit about the suspension: Quality feel... soaks up bumps but firm and well-damped. The factory setting on the back was way too stiff for my 170lb carcass... bounced me right out of the seat a couple times on bigger bumps. I reduced preload by 1 click (half a turn) and it was perfect.
On my Moto Guzzi Griso, just hitting the Bots Dots or expansion joints at highway speed were painful to the spine. The stock settings were bass ackwards until adjusted properly by a suspension guru (Jim Lindemann), it turns out there was far too little compression and far too much rebound damping. Once corrected, the ride became much more compliant while keeping the bike more stable.
I would imagine the VFR compression damping is set up quite nominally since there is no adjustment, but you might want to try reducing the rebound damping a bit, too much rebound can cause harshness which is counter-intuitive.
BTW, contrary to popular belief, the pre-load adjuster will NOT make the suspension stiffer or softer for a given rider weight. Preload is there only to adjust ride height (i.e. sag) for a given load weight. I could present a simple "thought" experiment which would illustrate the pre-load concept if you're interested.
[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 18 April 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:
[image: View Post]phobe, on 18 April 2010 - 10:52 AM, said:
I forgot to include a bit about the suspension: Quality feel... soaks up bumps but firm and well-damped. The factory setting on the back was way too stiff for my 170lb carcass... bounced me right out of the seat a couple times on bigger bumps. I reduced preload by 1 click (half a turn) and it was perfect.
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BTW, contrary to popular belief, the pre-load adjuster will NOT make the suspension stiffer or softer for a given rider weight. Preload is there only to adjust ride height (i.e. sag) for a given load weight. I could present a simple "thought" experiment which would illustrate the pre-load concept if you're interested.
Please do, I'm not an idiot, I've heard so many different spins on how the 'preload' works, but I'm still unclear...
Brian
[image: View Post]DDO-VFR, on 18 April 2010 - 09:44 PM, said:
[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 18 April 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:
[image: View Post]phobe, on 18 April 2010 - 10:52 AM, said:
I forgot to include a bit about the suspension: Quality feel... soaks up bumps but firm and well-damped. The factory setting on the back was way too stiff for my 170lb carcass... bounced me right out of the seat a couple times on bigger bumps. I reduced preload by 1 click (half a turn) and it was perfect.
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BTW, contrary to popular belief, the pre-load adjuster will NOT make the suspension stiffer or softer for a given rider weight. Preload is there only to adjust ride height (i.e. sag) for a given load weight. I could present a simple "thought" experiment which would illustrate the pre-load concept if you're interested.
Please do, I'm not an idiot, I've heard so many different spins on how the 'preload' works, but I'm still unclear...
Brian
OK, will do, with due regard for the OP...
Since the spring rate is a physical property of the spring itself, no external adjustment will change it (I'm not counting suspension tricks such as BMW's ESA which electro-mechanically alters the effective spring length). Therefore if a given spring and it's spring rate is 1kg/mm, then a 10kg mass sitting on said vertically oriented spring will compress the spring 10mm (ignore for the moment that the springs on motorcycle suspension front or rear are not exactly vertical with respect to the force of gravity). It doesn't matter whether the mass is resting
directly on the spring or
offset above the spring by a spacer of insignificant mass, the spring will compress by 10mm, no more, no less. The spring rate is still 1kg/mm and the mass is still 10kg, the only variable is the offset between the spring and the mass resting on said spring.
The offset spacer in this illustration represents the vertical adjustment of the suspension preload adjuster. In fact the preload adjuster sits between the spring and the mass of the motorcycle which it supports (roughly half),
exactly as the spacer described in this illustration.
Now, this is a simplified illustration. In a more rigorous, detailed analysis, the angle of the spring must be accounted for by use of trigonometric factors, and the change in angle of the rear swing arm is assumed to be incrementally small such that the overall moment arm and cantilevered force are considered constant.
The basic conclusion is that a preload adjuster serves only to raise or lower the ride height or "sag". On a completely different topic are the properties of the suspension damper which dramatically affects the perceived stiffness or softness of a suspension.... :tour:
Thanks for clearing up the difference between a spring and a damper. You should submit a Wiki entry.
Back on topic, congrats Phobe! Thanks for the well written review. It's encouraging to hear pleasant remarks from actual owners, rather than all the negative from people who haven't even seen it in person. It kind of reminds me how the VFR (in general) is thought of as inferior in some circles. But as Steve said, it's greater than the sum of its parts. To appreciate one, you have to at least ride it, if not own it.
[image: View Post]phobe, on 18 April 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:
I've been defending the VFR from all of the critics, cynics and haters, and one of the biggest criticisms is the limited range. Well, as much as I love the bike, this criticism is deserved.
I'm not defending Honda here either as a couple liters larger tank would have been easy to design in (underseat extension?) but if you look around there are tons of bikes from all makes now-a-days with crap range. Here's just a few with <130 mile range I've owned or ridden extensively: superhawk, rc51, tuono, hypermotard, HD XR1200R, and bandit 1200s.
FWIW
Good report. Hope to hear more as you get more miles/experiences on it.
[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 18 April 2010 - 10:42 PM, said:
Now, this is a simplified illustration. In a more rigorous, detailed analysis, the angle of the spring must be accounted for by use of trigonometric factors, and the change in angle of the rear swing arm is assumed to be incrementally small such that the overall moment arm and cantilevered force are considered constant.
The basic conclusion is that a preload adjuster serves only to raise or lower the ride height or "sag". On a completely different topic are the properties of the suspension damper which dramatically affects the perceived stiffness or softness of a suspension.... :tour:
Speaking of trig, your simplified illustration ignores the effect of the progressive rate linkage. (pro-link)
[image: View Post]phobe, on 19 April 2010 - 09:44 AM, said:
[image: View Post]Solomoto, on 18 April 2010 - 10:42 PM, said:
Now, this is a simplified illustration. In a more rigorous, detailed analysis, the angle of the spring must be accounted for by use of trigonometric factors, and the change in angle of the rear swing arm is assumed to be incrementally small such that the overall moment arm and cantilevered force are considered constant.
The basic conclusion is that a preload adjuster serves only to raise or lower the ride height or "sag". On a completely different topic are the properties of the suspension damper which dramatically affects the perceived stiffness or softness of a suspension.... :tour:
Speaking of trig, your simplified illustration ignores the effect of the progressive rate linkage. (pro-link)
You're right and I stated why, I mentioned that ride height adjustment is constrained to a small arc, implying the mechanical ratio between spring and moment arm is to a first order constant; in a simplified conceptual illustration such an assumption is mathematically valid [sine(theta) ~= theta for theta < ~5degrees]. Progressive linkage benefits movement over a much larger range of suspension travel which is why MX/offroad bikes with foot long travel exhibit the greatest benefit, but that's not the point. Should I add this tidbit to my wiki entry? :warranty:
Well, I was going to write a full review of mine after the first 250km but Phobe you have said it all. I will add one thing....this bike is smooth. Shifting it is almost optional. I was out tonight and cruising along at 90kph in 4th and decided to pass a guy in front of me. Rolled on the throttle and then the afterburners kick in at 5200rpm and I am around in about a nanosecond. As I pulled in i looked at the speedo and it was showing 162kph with no muss no fuss and no gear change. God I love the growl at that 5200rpm mark when the secondary opens. You are right there are 2 engines in this thing...both of them perfect.
Each day I have the sticker shock at the price keeps fading further and further back.
So now I await the arrival of the bags and a 1st of june departure for tennessee and South Carolina. nine days and about 6000km. Can't wait.
Thanks for your very thorough review. One thing, though. This....
[image: View Post]phobe, on 18 April 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:
The crankshaft layout and firing order are said to make the motor behave as 2 parallel twins, and it even sounds that way.
.... isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the sound :goofy: .
[image: View Post]huskysooner, on 20 April 2010 - 08:13 PM, said:
Thanks for your very thorough review. One thing, though. This....
[image: View Post]phobe, on 18 April 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:
The crankshaft layout and firing order are said to make the motor behave as 2 parallel twins, and it even sounds that way.
.... isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the sound :goofy: .
It's a bit tough to describe, but it does sound good.
This is one of the best write-ups and reviews I think I've read on this site. Well done. Who says basic literacy isn't important? ;)
It's an inspiring bike. Sounds like you're going to like it more and more as you get used to it and it gets broken in.
My 6th Gen. makes me smile the more I ride it and, knock on wood, I haven't spent a penny on anything other than routine maintenance.
P.S. Is that highway 66 out by Bragg Creek in your photo?
[image: View Post]superfunkomatic, on 21 April 2010 - 03:34 PM, said:
P.S. Is that highway 66 out by Bragg Creek in your photo?
Yep, Elbow Falls.