Howdy,
I purchased a new chain and sprocket kit from Chad, at The Sprocket Center, for my '06.
I have run into a problem, and need some help.
The new rear sprocket has 45 teeth, and is beefier than the OEM. The ring that the teeth are cut into is thicker, and has a champhered edge. This prevents the use of the OEM washer and nut combination from being reused. There is not even enough room for the nut.
According to Chad, I am the only person to have a problem using his set up?
Has anyone else run into this trouble?
Should I just stack up a heap of washers and ride?
Mac
I have an '07 VFR and I did the same swap last month. I puchased the rear sprocket from The Sprocket Center. I switched from a 43 to a 45 tooth on the back. The sprocket is solid where the bolts come through unlike the OEM which is recessed. I had no trouble whatsoever reusing the OEM washers and nuts. Everything went together just fine. Would including a picture help?
I swapped to a Sprocket center kit on my 07 last year, went back on as easy as the OEM one came off, so ya pictures please
Don't forget that the stock bolts have part of the head "clipped off" so they will drop down against the inside of the sprocket carrier. Make sure you have the bolts in the correct orientation for this. This also prevents them from turning when you tighten the nuts.
The heads of the sprocket bolts have a flat side and must be rotated correctly from behind so that it sits properly against the back side of the sprocket. If not rotated correctly there will be a gap between the bolt head and sprocket.
Rollin
[image: View Post]Pete McCrary, on 19 April 2010 - 12:47 PM, said:
Don't forget that the stock bolts have part of the head "clipped off" so they will drop down against the inside of the sprocket carrier. Make sure you have the bolts in the correct orientation for this. This also prevents them from turning when you tighten the nuts.
:+1:
A very welcome improvement on the VTEC! (older gens use round head allen shoulder bolt)
[image: View Post]Mac, on 19 April 2010 - 11:17 AM, said:
Howdy,
I purchased a new chain and sprocket kit from Chad, at The Sprocket Center, for my '06.
I have run into a problem, and need some help.
The new rear sprocket has 45 teeth, and is beefier than the OEM. The ring that the teeth are cut into is thicker, and has a champhered edge. This prevents the use of the OEM washer and nut combination from being reused. There is not even enough room for the nut.
According to Chad, I am the only person to have a problem using his set up?
Has anyone else run into this trouble?
Should I just stack up a heap of washers and ride?
Mac
I just replaced my 06' with a new set-up and ran into a simular issue. I just removed the washer and assembled. I could've left the washer, but didn't like that there wasn't any thread protrusion. I have 600+ miles on it since and going to re-check torque on the nuts tonight. I would say remove washers and move on. :biggrin:
Thanks for all the replys!
I understand about the bolts, and how to correcrtly position them.
The problem is the sprocket.
I'll post pics when I get in this PM.
Thanks again-
Mac
Here we go...sprockets side by side
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-12813-127172239608.jpgThis is the width of the OEM recess, You can easily see where the washer and nut were.
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-12813-127172259245.jpg
This is the recess of the 45 tooth.
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-12813-127172270625.jpg
This is the width of the OEM nut.
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-12813-12717228054.jpg
I am at a loss as to see how I can safely make this work.
Any suggestions are welcome-
Thanks,
Mac
Being the vfr has no side to side adjustment, sprocket offset might be of importance.
So.....it appears the nut will not sit flush against the sprocket because the hole is too close to the step up on the sprocket surface.
Yeah.....I have to agree that there is no good way to use that sprocket. Send the pictures to the Sprocket Center and ask for an exchange.
Chad is sending me a steel 43, and a return shipping label.
Currently I am unable to find a 45. He informs me that other members here have used these sprockets with out issue.
I can't see how, but he intentends to contact them and let me know.
I guess all that I am out is a week of riding.
Mac
You could go to your local hardware store and get regular non-flanged nuts... will the hex body of the nut still interfere if the flange is taken out of the equation?
It's an idea, but I would still be concerned with safety.
I'm about flustered with the whole deal.
I'll source my parts locally, if possible, next time.
Thanks everybody -
Mac
[image: View Post]Mac, on 19 April 2010 - 07:21 PM, said:
Here we go...sprockets side by side
http://www.vfrdiscus...39608_thumb.jpg
This is the width of the OEM recess, You can easily see where the washer and nut were.
http://www.vfrdiscus...59245_thumb.jpg
This is the recess of the 45 tooth.
http://www.vfrdiscus...70625_thumb.jpg
This is the width of the OEM nut.
http://www.vfrdiscus...28054_thumb.jpg
I am at a loss as to see how I can safely make this work.
Any suggestions are welcome-
Thanks,
Mac
Good job Mac... I like your detail method of clearing things up... if only more were on this level...
[image: View Post]Mac, on 20 April 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:
It's an idea, but I would still be concerned with safety.
I'm about flustered with the whole deal.
I'll source my parts locally, if possible, next time.
Thanks everybody -
Mac
My 45 tooth sprocket had no raised area where the bolts go. Our sprockets are different. I can see now why you are having trouble.
When I quit looking, this is what I found.
http://www.vfrdiscus...6007_thumb.jpeg
Sounds like one of them mid-life crisis type of things....like when you can't fold up a six pack holder and pop it like a rubberband anymore. Damn!
Mac
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[image: View Post]Mac, on 20 April 2010 - 05:32 PM, said:
When I quit looking, this is what I found.
http://www.vfrdiscus...6007_thumb.jpeg
Sounds like one of them mid-life crisis type of things....like when you can't fold up a six pack holder and pop it like a rubberband anymore. Damn!
Mac
Hey Seb,
That was my 200th. Gotcha on the run!
Machttp://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/woohoo.gif
Finally got her back together, and running the roads. It was a long week.
The Sprocket Center sent a 43 tooth solid, but I opted for a Sunstar 43. It weighed much less, identical to OEM. Chad has paid the return postage for me, but no word yet from him on the manufacturer.
Still want to go 45 teeth one day.
The speedohealer was a simple install. I'll be looking for a radar robot to check it. -5.2% was what was suggested.
Anybody have experience on an '06 speedo?
Thank again Y'all.
Mac
[image: View Post]Mac, on 19 April 2010 - 07:21 PM, said:
Here we go...sprockets side by side
http://www.vfrdiscus...39608_thumb.jpg
This is the width of the OEM recess, You can easily see where the washer and nut were.
http://www.vfrdiscus...59245_thumb.jpg
This is the recess of the 45 tooth.
http://www.vfrdiscus...70625_thumb.jpg
This is the width of the OEM nut.
http://www.vfrdiscus...28054_thumb.jpg
I am at a loss as to see how I can safely make this work.
Any suggestions are welcome-
Thanks,
Mac
Is it raised on both sides? If not is it possible to instal it with the other side out?
[image: View Post]Mac, on 20 April 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:
It's an idea, but I would still be concerned with safety.
I'm about flustered with the whole deal.
I'll source my parts locally, if possible, next time.
Thanks everybody -
Mac
Its much better to run steel on the vfr, it will trash aluminum sprockets
Well still have not heard from the Sprocket Center. Guess they have bigger problems.
Mac
I've got the exact same sprocket and chain set unopened in my garage.Unfortunately I've sold my vfr and would like to know if the 45 tooth sprocket is ok before I offer it for sale.
Hey Bobo,
If your sprocket is not recessed, it should be fine to use. Take a hard look at the pics I posted, they speak better than I do.
Mac
I just took a look at it and the rear sprocket is not recessed like the one in the pics.Now I can sell it without any wucking furries.
I, too, recently ordered a sprocket/chain kit from Sprocket Center and had problems with mounting the rear sprocket.
Here is a photo of the stock and replacement sprocket (replacement from Sprocket Center is the black one on left). Both sprockets are stock 43 teeth.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq195/Epee/Forum%20Photos/P1010028.jpg
The distance from the outer edge of the mounting hole to the base inner edge of the recessed area is 4mm on the replacement, 7mm on the stock sprocket. The recess is cutout at 90 degrees on the stock sprocket and 45 degrees on the replacement. The sprocket mounting washer and flange nut do not fit. There is no way this could work properly.
Here is another photo showing the sprocket mounting bolt, with washer that does not lie flat on the sprocket surface:
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq195/Epee/Forum%20Photos/P1010036.jpg
Chad told me that he's sold 100's of these sprockets and no one has had any problems... That's not a good response.
After sending photos, Chad did send a substitute sprocket, which I received today. Unfortunately, the substitute has no recessed area, so the sprocket is noticibly heavier than the stock recessed sprocket.
I have to say that I am more than a little disappointed with this experience.
My first sprocket/chain replacement I had trouble with the rear sprocket hole diameter too small. I just drilled them out. I just put on an RK kit from cyclegear and had no problems other than it took almost 2 weeks to get it here. Good Luck! :biggrin:
[image: View Post]hlf, on 16 July 2010 - 03:11 PM, said:
I, too, recently ordered a sprocket/chain kit from Sprocket Center and had problems with mounting the rear sprocket.
Here is a photo of the stock and replacement sprocket (replacement from Sprocket Center is the black one on left). Both sprockets are stock 43 teeth.
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq195/Epee/Forum%20Photos/P1010028.jpg
The distance from the outer edge of the mounting hole to the base inner edge of the recessed area is 4mm on the replacement, 7mm on the stock sprocket. The recess is cutout at 90 degrees on the stock sprocket and 45 degrees on the replacement. The sprocket mounting washer and flange nut do not fit. There is no way this could work properly.
Here is another photo showing the sprocket mounting bolt, with washer that does not lie flat on the sprocket surface:
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq195/Epee/Forum%20Photos/P1010036.jpg
Chad told me that he's sold 100's of these sprockets and no one has had any problems... That's not a good response.
After sending photos, Chad did send a substitute sprocket, which I received today. Unfortunately, the substitute has no recessed area, so the sprocket is noticibly heavier than the stock recessed sprocket.
I have to say that I am more than a little disappointed with this experience.
Same sprocket here and same problem.
I got ahold of the where I bought it, explained the problem and they sent me new sprockets... The same as what I already had.
I will ask for the sunstar ones next because thats what is on the bike now and I know they fit.
[After sending photos, Chad did send a substitute sprocket, which I received today. Unfortunately, the substitute has no recessed area, so the sprocket is noticibly heavier than the stock recessed sprocket.
I have to say that I am more than a little disappointed with this experience.
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Dont ya luv aftermarket, and especially Chad LOL!
I too just ran into this problem. I just ground a flat beveled edge on the washers. Only a few mm, just enough to clearance the bevel on the flange. I held the washer with pliers and ground the edge at an angle on the bench grinder. The washer provides enough room/thicknrss for the nut to be fully seated. I did a quick spray paint to protect from corrosion.
I do not believe the washer's strength has be comprised enough to matter. I have a 100 miles or so since installing and the torque hasn't changed. I do think they are hardened parts.
pardon my quick ms-paint diagram....
I am loving the difference the 2 extra teeth had made!!!
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Well, after looking at these sprockets and the response from Sprocket Center, I'll be buying my sprockets and chains from someone else, that's for sure. There's no way you'd convince me that that sprocket is right. I don't want to pay good money and then have jury rig something to make it work. Having to grind washers just won't cut it for me. If it takes a beveled washer then it should come with one. JMO of course.
[image: View Post]FJ12Ryder, on 17 July 2010 - 06:05 PM, said:
I don't want to pay good money and then have jury rig something to make it work. Having to grind washers just won't cut it for me. If it takes a beveled washer then it should come with one. JMO of course.
I was thinking the same thing as I was typing my "Fix"......I think I will forward my reply to Sprocket Center. I just didn't want the hassle of returning the part!
Unfortunately this has been my experience over the last 30 years of dealing with aftermarket/modification parts!
Sounds like the Sprocket Center is making a bad name for itself.
I never heard back from Chad, and he needless to say, he has lost my business.
Mac
[image: View Post]racer-wanna-be, on 17 July 2010 - 06:09 PM, said:
[image: View Post]FJ12Ryder, on 17 July 2010 - 06:05 PM, said:
I don't want to pay good money and then have jury rig something to make it work. Having to grind washers just won't cut it for me. If it takes a beveled washer then it should come with one. JMO of course.
I was thinking the same thing as I was typing my "Fix"......I think I will forward my reply to Sprocket Center. I just didn't want the hassle of returning the part!
Unfortunately this has been my experience over the last 30 years of dealing with aftermarket/modification parts!
I've been through the "make-a-mail-order-part-work-so-you-don't-have-to-send-it-back" bit before so I know that goes. That is one of the things I love about forums like this: posters make you aware of problems they've had with vendors so you don't have to make the same mistake. Gotta love it.
I just shipped the original (ill-fitting) sprocket, the replacement (boat anchor) rear sprocket, and the countershaft sprocket back to Sprocket Center and requested a refund for those parts. Hopefully, there won�t be any issues getting the refund.
At least the D.I.D. chain I got from Sprocket Center looks good!
[image: View Post]hlf, on 19 July 2010 - 12:13 PM, said:
I just shipped the original (ill-fitting) sprocket, the replacement (boat anchor) rear sprocket, and the countershaft sprocket back to Sprocket Center and requested a refund for those parts. Hopefully, there won�t be any issues getting the refund.
At least the D.I.D. chain I got from Sprocket Center looks good!
Wonderfull, I just ordered the same set up last week, Before I found this thread.
[image: View Post]mascar, on 19 July 2010 - 12:46 PM, said:
[image: View Post]hlf, on 19 July 2010 - 12:13 PM, said:
I just shipped the original (ill-fitting) sprocket, the replacement (boat anchor) rear sprocket, and the countershaft sprocket back to Sprocket Center and requested a refund for those parts. Hopefully, there won�t be any issues getting the refund.
At least the D.I.D. chain I got from Sprocket Center looks good!
Wonderfull, I just ordered the same set up last week, Before I found this thread.
Chad from Sprocket Center called me last evening to say that they will be refunding the costs for the sprockets I ordered, and that he is working with suppliers to correct the sprocket issues for 6th gen VFR's.
Sprocket Center appears to be taking care of the problem.
My sprocket looked like the one on this post(was ordered from Chad), but fit my 5th gen just fine. I really like the upgrade. Hope y'all get yours straightened out!
Cheers!
Just did sprocket and chains on my '02, the new rear sprocket had no recess.
I ordered this kit. Its on its way and I will report back if I have any issues.
http://www.onestopmo...-1086-020wg.htm
I ordered this kit
http://www.sprocketc...-honda-vfr.html from Sprocket Center (also before I read this thread) on July 24th for my 5th Gen. I received it yesterday and installed it without any problem.
http://www.sprocketcenter.com/pictures/486/7/521797-2.jpg
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1281497564/gallery_17747_5296_99607.jpg
My chain was stretched beyond adjustable limits and had rust coming out of it, however, my sprockets really didn't look bad at all.
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1281497564/gallery_17747_5296_13802.jpg
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1281497564/gallery_17747_5296_65254.jpg
I was somewhat tempted to just put a new chain on but that just wouldn't make sense... or would it?
Also got my new Pilot Road 2 mounted up yesterday so it was a good day. Bike is smooth smooth now.
BC
I just got a DID sprockets and chain set. My chain was stretched a good inch beyond the maximum point on the gauge, and had some very tight kinks in it. However, I could not detect any wear on the old sprockets. To my eye, the teeth on them looked no different than the new ones (I put one on top of the other). I changed them anyway since I had new ones.
I did clean about five pounds of compacted chain oil, dirt, and miscellaneous spooge out of the chain guard, top of the side stand, shock area, and other places. What a crappy mess. Don't think my hands will ever come clean, but don't care.
Now I have to mount my new Angels.
Edit: By the way, I believe they are the original sprockets and two chains have been on them. The bike has 40K on it.
OK, we need some of the masters here to tell us why we still need to change these seemingly good condition sprockets instead of running 2 chains per sprocket set that some recommend. I guess we need to be able to predict the increased wear rate of the new chain and how many miles we lose because of it vs the cost of replacing the bunch all at once.
[image: View Post]hlf, on 29 July 2010 - 07:57 AM, said:
[image: View Post]mascar, on 19 July 2010 - 12:46 PM, said:
[image: View Post]hlf, on 19 July 2010 - 12:13 PM, said:
I just shipped the original (ill-fitting) sprocket, the replacement (boat anchor) rear sprocket, and the countershaft sprocket back to Sprocket Center and requested a refund for those parts. Hopefully, there won�t be any issues getting the refund.
At least the D.I.D. chain I got from Sprocket Center looks good!
Wonderfull, I just ordered the same set up last week, Before I found this thread.
Chad from Sprocket Center called me last evening to say that they will be refunding the costs for the sprockets I ordered, and that he is working with suppliers to correct the sprocket issues for 6th gen VFR's.
Sprocket Center appears to be taking care of the problem.
Which, I'm sure, won't take affect for a long while... SO... I will shop elsewhere.
[image: View Post]BCmcrider, on 11 August 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:
I ordered this kit
http://www.sprocketc...-honda-vfr.html from Sprocket Center (also before I read this thread) on July 24th for my 5th Gen. I received it yesterday and installed it without any problem.
http://www.sprocketcenter.com/pictures/486/7/521797-2.jpg
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1281497564/gallery_17747_5296_99607.jpg
My chain was stretched beyond adjustable limits and had rust coming out of it, however, my sprockets really didn't look bad at all.
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1281497564/gallery_17747_5296_13802.jpg
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1281497564/gallery_17747_5296_65254.jpg
I was somewhat tempted to just put a new chain on but that just wouldn't make sense... or would it?
Also got my new Pilot Road 2 mounted up yesterday so it was a good day. Bike is smooth smooth now.
BC
I see significant wear without even comparing to a new one, they needed to go
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