Honda Cross-Tourer

Not to be confused with the upcoming VFR800-based Crossrunner

http://vfr1200fa.blo...oncept-and.html

I like it! Looks like it's gonna be heavy, though.

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meh..........

If it is based on the VFR1200, which is only logical, it will be too heavy compared to the GS1200 and Multistrada 1200 and even the Varadero itself, which is very heavy for a dual purpose-ish bike. I can't see what Honda is trying to achieve.

I can't see what Honda is trying to achieve.

A two-wheeled SUV.

http://www.vfrdiscus...post__p__743236

here ya go ...! :fing02:

World Honda Site

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I looked at the Varadero and its nice ( far from a dual purpose/adventure bike. ) and it will be interesting to see what the price on the crossover unit will be. Right now, some of the Honda dealers have the following prices for the Vararedo.
2008 - $10,598 ( sale priced )
2009 - $11,198 ( sale priced )
2010 - full retail $13,198.00

Wife says I can buy another bike, but, it has to be comfy for her as the passanger for any long road trips. no more VFR for her (in town rides only).

Looks nice! And the idea of the DCT is just cool for hauling ass. But I just cant get over how fragile it all looks after riding around Africa with BMW's GS. I think I wouldn't even think of doing some of the stuff I've done with the GS with this bike.

Its potential remains to be seen, I guess!

Looks nice! And the idea of the DCT is just cool for hauling ass. But I just cant get over how fragile it all looks after riding around Africa with BMW's GS. I think I wouldn't even think of doing some of the stuff I've done with the GS with this bike.

Its potential remains to be seen, I guess!

The clue is in the name really - it's a tourer, crossed with a soft-roader. So a tourer, then....

Just a different style than the traditional tourer like an ST or the VFR8

[image: View Post]Earthshake, on 02 November 2010 - 06:13 AM, said:

[image: View Post]arrow, on 02 November 2010 - 03:15 AM, said:

I can't see what Honda is trying to achieve.


A two-wheeled SUV.


An SUV should be able to do some off-roading, what about this though? OK it looks nicer than the Crossrunner but I'm sure it will be less off-roadable than my 04 VTEC with all that weight and high saddle. Varadero was already too heavy especially compared to the GS and its sales suffered. I can't see this being an alternative to a GS and yet it tries to look like an adventure bike with wire wheels and 19 inch (if I'm not mistaken) front wheel. It's all looks and no go. Why not buy a VFR1200 and fit it with Heli-bars or something if the purpose is to make it more comfortable?

Not sure about the 'heavy' comments - compared to the GS it would be in the same ball park.
Also, 'wire wheels', um - also GS. This looks like they are targeting a buyer that is a bit more than the VStrom but not quite a GS. Interesting…
Plus it would have a killer motor for off-road/dual-purpose.
I like the looks of the bike. I'll wait until I see it in person.

[image: View Post]superfunkomatic, on 14 November 2010 - 11:27 AM, said:

Not sure about the 'heavy' comments - compared to the GS it would be in the same ball park.
Also, 'wire wheels', um - also GS. This looks like they are targeting a buyer that is a bit more than the VStrom but not quite a GS. Interesting�
Plus it would have a killer motor for off-road/dual-purpose.
I like the looks of the bike. I'll wait until I see it in person.


Well this is not going to be lighter than the VFR1200 it's based on. Same chassis, same shaft drive, same engine. The 1200 is heavier than the GS. The GS with a full tank is around 538 pounds, the VFR with the DCT is 613 pounds if I'm not mistaken.

I like the looks as well, but I think the V4 engine is a bit of an overkill for the dual purpose market. But then this is not a d-p bike but rather one that looks like a d-p.

Where is the Trans-Alp???

Couldn't weigh more or outprice the Super Tenere??

Updated information from Finland:
VFR800X Crossrunner price 15.998 � (Varadero XL1000 ABS 14.998�) and wet weight 240 kgs (Varadero 277 kgs)

I think I'll wait till the thing actually comes out before saying how much it sucks. :). I just recently got a bking and I tell ya there ain't nothing like sitting up comfortably behind a real handlebar with a big motor thats full of stomp. Truth is I'd take the adventure tourer over the new vfr1200.

Latest Spy shots of the 1200 Adv bike.

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http://blogs.insidel...rosstourer.html

Looks like the Adv bike will be with us before the touring or ST variant of the VFR1200.

At this point in time, having done research and seen in person the BMW R1200GS (but not ridden) and read plenty on the Yamaha XT1200 ST, I'd go with the Yamaha.
BMW has too many drive shaft issues which surprises me from a bike maker who is practically specialised in shaft drive mfr & tech.

Im itching to see the Yamaha in person...but it's delayed.

Im anxious to know how this bike will finally materialize.

[image: View Post]BonusVFR, on 20 May 2011 - 06:21 PM, said:

Latest Spy shots of the 1200 Adv bike.

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http://blogs.insidel...rosstourer.html

Looks like the Adv bike will be with us before the touring or ST variant of the VFR1200.



A few obvious differences from the concept... better forks for one. 2: inner tubes

Not sure about the tubes............think they will be tubleliss like the big BMWs.

Given the amount of internal Honda chatter about this bike, I think we are likely to see it here in the US.

I'm in if it comes - ready for something I can put major single-day miles on. Love my VFR, but just can't get the ergos where they need to be for me. Would love to stay with a V4 - love the engine!

I'd take it down a crazy dirt road.

I've done some crazy riding on my 04 with normal street tires on dirt roads, fields, and have even gotten both tires off the ground.  Is the weight ideal? suspension perfect? no.  but it can be done and it can be fun, I'd like to take a big 1200 with knobby tires out on a long power line road ride in the Nevada desert :)

-Drew

We should know tomorrow.

http://www.motorcycl.../_/R-EPI-133280

"Honda today confirms that the Crosstourer model unveiled as a concept at the 2010 EICMA show will go into mass production, and will be first revealed at the 2011 EICMA Milan show in early November,......"

I like it. My wife thinks it is beautiful. But, having just bought a leftover 2008 leftover 800, I don't think I will bite. Too bad because it looks like a comfortable bike that a guy could keep a long time.

Here are some pics of the final version, named VFR1200X Crosstourer:

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Available in DCT and regular clutch transmisson. It has Traction control and the engine delivers 129HP/7750rpm 126Nm/6500rpm. Fuel tank has a capacity of 21,5L and the overall weight is 275kg (285kg for the DCT).

Triumph also recently unveiled their new BMW GS competitor, the shaft drive 1200 Tiger Explorer:
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1215cc 3 cylinder, 137HP/9300rpm, 121Nm/7850rpm, 259kg, 20L fuel capacity
Electronic cruise control, Traction control and ABS that can be switched off.
The stator generates 950W, enough for e.g. heated gear for both rider and passenger.

Both the Honda and the Triumph have a 17" rear and a 19" front wheel.

Is it me or does it look a lot less massive than the concept? It looks pretty slim in fact, especially in the last picture. I like the looks of the Triumph better though...

Could be just the ticket for a long tour...................especially if the roads are well..........crappy!

Damn and I was just getting my mind around getting a 2001 KLR650 for about $1400 to get into dual sporting...now you guys have gone and spoiled it!!!

Get the KLR first :rolleyes:

I like this shot from the MCnews downunder.
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605 lbs...man that's heavy, even if just ridden on gravel roads that's heavy. (570 for the Trumpet and 504 for the GS1200GS)

Be interesting to see if panniers come with it or are an extra cost item.

After V4 Rosso posted his comment, I went to my local dealer on lunch and chatted it up with them. They still have 6 2009 Varadaro's and at least 3 2010's. There sales went south faster when the local Triumph dealer in town had all of their Tiger 800XC arrive. I managed a test ride last week on the BMW 800GS and the Tiger 800XC and so far the tiger is "winning" my vote. The sad news is that according to the gent I spoke with, the Honda 1200 will not reach Canada until 2013. Dont know if I can wait that long. Gerrys02800 needs a Gerrys"insertnewbikehere" stable mate soon.

Man at least it's coming to Canada. Here in the U.S. there is no word if this bike will ever make it here. Too bad because as the years go on this tall comfortable four cylinder honda is one I could be comfortable on.

After V4 Rosso posted his comment, I went to my local dealer on lunch and chatted it up with them. They still have 6 2009 Varadaro's and at least 3 2010's. There sales went south faster when the local Triumph dealer in town had all of their Tiger 800XC arrive. I managed a test ride last week on the BMW 800GS and the Tiger 800XC and so far the tiger is "winning" my vote. The sad news is that according to the gent I spoke with, the Honda 1200 will not reach Canada until 2013. Dont know if I can wait that long. Gerrys02800 needs a Gerrys"insertnewbikehere" stable mate soon.

Hey Gerry, I'm not in the market for one, but do those guys mention howuch of a discount they would give on an '09 Varadero? Just curious ...
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I will try and stop by the 2 dealers near me in the next few days and find out the exact dollar figure. I remember that they where still at those years full list price, then marked down only $1000.00.

I will try and stop by the 2 dealers near me in the next few days and find out the exact dollar figure. I remember that they where still at those years full list price, then marked down only $1000.00.

Hello Gerry,
Please don't go out of your way to find out for me. I was just curious to know how much those bikes go for. If I were rich, I would probably have one since I like the look but I'm not even sure how they perform or how reliable they are. But I like those dual bikes and they seem perfect for riding around the city too because of the better visibility allowed by the very upright position.
Cheers man!
C

Noticed that the wheels allow for tubeless tire installation.

I am lusting already. Would love to test ride one!

The local dealers are listing the Varadero as 16,000 without crash bars, luggage or racks. I could by two kitted out new KLRs for that much money. I'd still like to see the big new Honda and see if it is a match for the BMW GSA.

The local dealers are listing the Varadero as 16,000 without crash bars, luggage or racks. I could by two kitted out new KLRs for that much money. I'd still like to see the big new Honda and see if it is a match for the BMW GSA.

$16,000.00 ???? ummmm MC sales are slow enough with out them jacking the price up over retail. The dealer in Edmonton has their 2009 for $12,000.00 and the 2010 for $13,199.00 ( Honda Retail ). I can not remember SF if you have the GIVI bags on your bike, but all I have to do is buy the mount kit and throw my V35/V36 bags on ( Also installed the Admore light kits ). If the 2012 Tiger 1200 stays at the price of $17,500.00 ( per Edmonton MC show ) I would sooner buy that bike before paying 16G's for the Varadero that will be replaced in less than a year by the Honda 1200.

I like the looks of it better than the Triumph because it is very clean design without any over the top attempt to "look tough." When I had the chance to check out the Triumph at the bike show in Long Beach, it seemed like it had some unecessary "tough guy" design elements that gave it a poser look. Plastic made to look like steel or diamond plating -- that kind of thing. On paper the Triumph has the specs, but its extensive use of plastic may be its downfall.

I like the clean lines of the Honda and it looks like a winner -- it will be interesting to see if VFR1200 mods translate over. BMW will be introducing its water cooled GS later this year --- I am sure there will be an interesting shootout.

Overall, I am perplexed with what seems to be an increasing trend to make a bike look like a BMW GS but perform like a sport tourer. Why not just make a good sport tourer? I admit to being smitten by the Multistrada, but is it really an adventure bike?

Dont get me wrong but I was just chocked at the price SF was told in Calgary compared to me who is about 300km north. That dealer is asking about $3000 over sticker. I am even looking at the Varadero and a 2009 is on my list. To me, what I consider to be an Adventure bike is something that gives you the ability to go from Edmonton to California doing the speed limit. It should carry your tent/light gear/xtra fuel that you can go on a logging road, but off it and onto the cow trails/game trails and check things out. If you drop it on the trail... O well, pick it up and keep going.KTM 990 is nice, mind you I only had a chance to ride it to Red Deer and no complaints. I wouldnt take a Multistrada in the bush, but it is a sweet looking bike.

I am perplexed with what seems to be an increasing trend to make a bike look like a BMW GS but perform like a sport tourer.

I am not as in Europe the GS is the best selling bike and it's primary use is sport touring. All manufacturers will be looking at BMW as it is the only high volume brand that has seen increased sales over the past years.

I always found when the butt is lower than the knees, makes for very poor seating arangement

Incredible! Guys, provide the arrival of "Crosstour" in Brazil to the second half of the year.

Well the first of the reviews are coming out.

http://www.motorcycl...rer-first-ride/

Touring is what I want so this could be the ticket.

Just saw the news also. Not much as epxected, however, they says full report will be next week.
Don't know if we can see it in person in Vietnam this year.

I really hope Honda brings this bike to Canada. it looks amazing.

A couple more reviews.

http://www.visordown...view/20122.html

http://www.ashonbike...a-crosstourer-0

A few dirt roads on tour in not a bad thing.
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Even did some of that in Idaho last summer.
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