Crossrunner - First ride impression

Visordown first ride impression.

You lucky buggers in Europe.... :angry:

Visordown

Brian

Good find...thanks. Should see more reviews now.

MCN

http://www.motorcycl...ner-first-ride/

Nice write-up ... very interesting ... I reckon I'm a cert for a test-ride when they make it here!

Fast and Furious now.

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go to moto-station.com but have to translate. http://www.moto-stat...ster-trail.html

Krud! I am this close >||< to pulling the trigger on a DP bike, which I will then have to modify to be more streetish. Honda Canada, why can't I buy this bike???

Glenn

[image: View Post]DDO-VFR, on 31 March 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Visordown first ride impression.

You lucky buggers in Europe.... :angry:

Visordown

Brian

For the French among us............and north of the Border.

Crossrunner the Movie ............ http://www.motor-inf...our-la-vfr.html

[image: View Post]DDO-VFR, on 31 March 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Visordown first ride impression.

You lucky buggers in Europe.... :angry:

Visordown

Brian


I like how some of this sounds for us VFR800 VTEC owners:

"The mid range is massively better than the VFR800's thanks largely to reworked header pipes and inlet trumpets that are longer (20mm) and narrower (by 6.5mm) at their throats. The remapped VTEC is much, much better, too. Transformational. That feeling of fuel starvation at the transition point has gone completely."

I'm patiently waiting for some of these parts to become available (the intake trumpets, that delectable tailsection, maybe the header). It's nice that Honda is still doing some development work on our platform, even if it is in an upright, duck-billed, "adventure" version.


Lacy

[image: View Post]rdguy, on 31 March 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

Krud! I am this close >||< to pulling the trigger on a DP bike, which I will then have to modify to be more streetish. Honda Canada, why can't I buy this bike???

Glenn

[image: View Post]DDO-VFR, on 31 March 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Visordown first ride impression.

You lucky buggers in Europe.... :angry:

Visordown

Brian


You can, cross the border and bring it home

" Quite why they didn't do this to the VFR800 six, seven or eight years ago mystifies me, really."

That's the thing that kind of annoys me. I'll believe that they managed to improve the 6th gen engine. I mean, after 8 years you better find someway to make it better. If it's really that much different, why wouldn't they just release a 7th gen VFR800? Add a well priced option for helibars and it probably would have sold better than they were selling for the last few years.

[image: View Post]AussieinUSA, on 31 March 2011 - 09:51 PM, said:

You can, cross the border and bring it home


???

From the Honda USA site:

Search Results
No entries found for "crossrunner".

Otherwise there's a bit more than just a border involved...

Glenn

The Visor Down write up was nice. I, too, like the sound of what they did with the motor to give it more mid-range. My VTEC is pretty smooth, so I don't have any real complaints, but I'd never say no to more mid-range. If they ever bring this to the US, and make the luggage available, I'd consider it when it comes time to replace my VFR. IMO, it's a lot closer to the VFR than the 7th gen. Not that the 7th gen is a bad bike, but not really what I want. But the Crossrunner is basically a VFR redesigned for more every day use.

Oh, and the video looks good. Too bad I don't know French.

[image: View Post]BonusVFR, on 31 March 2011 - 08:39 PM, said:

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Half-a-VTEC muffler? WTF?
Otherwise looks good!

I would give it a test drive just to compare the differences of the motors.

At first I was thinking "no way" but seeing the seat height is about the same I think it would be a consideration if I ever needed to replace my VFR. More upright seating would help my back a lot better, all ready setup for hard bags, and the styling is appealing to my eyes. It definitely has me thinking. Of course I would have to take it to the twisties first though. :biggrin:

[image: View Post]DDO-VFR, on 31 March 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Visordown first ride impression.

You lucky buggers in Europe.... :angry:

Visordown

Brian


Well if it helps, I live in north Europe and I will not see the Crossrunner untill late May, or early June.....

VisorDown sure have great first ride writeups, I also enjoyed the 2011 CBR600F one :happy:

Goog write up, but where has this guy been for the last 5 years under a rock???

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That horrible stuttery transition of the VTEC system

The remapped VTEC is much, much better, too.

uhm, didn't Honda fix that in like 07 when they moved the VTEC point to 6800 from 7000 RPM?, or have they reworked it again I wonder?

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Half-a-VTEC muffler? WTF?

+1

...and why'd they move it down? Get the thing out of the way of that beautiful wheel! Otherwise, what's the point of even having a SSSA?

[image: View Post]dweese, on 01 April 2011 - 01:28 PM, said:

uhm, didn't Honda fix that in like 07 when they moved the VTEC point to 6800 from 7000 RPM?, or have they reworked it again I wonder?


Yes, they cleaned it up a lot for 06 or 07. My 07 is pretty smooth, until I don't want it to be. :biggrin: But it sounds like they reworked the motor, too, not just the VTEC to smooth it out and give more mid-range torque.

Kevin Ash likes it:

http://www.ashonbike...ssrunner-review

I'd love to try one, though I may never get a chance in Canada. As long as I own a VFR1200, I probably wouldn't buy one either but I think it's going to be a great bike.

Hmmm, surely reworked header pipes and intake trumpets also means different camshaft profiles and also less top end power...

It will be interesting to see how all this pans out because it really could mean that folks are dropping for the Crossrunner ECU and other mods!!

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It sure seems to have better midrange and vtec transtion is still noticable although not as strong.

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It sure seems to have better midrange and vtec transtion is still noticable although not as strong.

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Got a 5th gen overlay from the same tester?

Another first ride. Interesting but these guys mention a possible dirt version is in the works. Triumph and BMW have the two versions for their 800s so maybe it is for real.

http://www.motorcycl...-md-first-ride/

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[image: View Post]BonusVFR, on 04 April 2011 - 02:34 PM, said:

Got a 5th gen overlay from the same tester?

No, sorry

[image: View Post]BonusVFR, on 05 April 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

Another first ride. Interesting but these guys mention a possible dirtier version is also in the works.

Or maybe they are referring to the veefalo powered crosstourer.

motorcycledaily said:

The Crossrunner has a very balanced suspension system with 43 mm Showa forks adjustable for compression, rebound and preload
I don't think that is correct.

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Got a 5th gen overlay from the same tester?



not from the same tester, but here are your gens...


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[image: View Post]BonusVFR, on 04 April 2011 - 02:34 PM, said:

Got a 5th gen overlay from the same tester?

No, sorry

[image: View Post]BonusVFR, on 05 April 2011 - 04:31 PM, said:

Another first ride. Interesting but these guys mention a possible dirtier version is also in the works.

Or maybe they are referring to the veefalo powered crosstourer.




I like that green curve.

Could be that they are talking the Crosstourer, but MD did a story about the CR and CT so they know about the big 1200 too.

http://www.motorcycl...ng-heavyweight/

This is the first I have heard about a dirty version of the CR...maybe.

I think I like it, and if I wasnt so afraid of debt, I'd buy one

I am definitely beginning to like it... I just wish the OEM bags tied the whole package together better. There is something about them that doesn't finish off the bike properly. Another thing I never thought I'd say is that 'white' is the weakest of the colour offerings IMHO. The burgundy and black look tantalizing though :fing02:

Are those the same PLX bags as the 6th gen or do they have more cut-out for the passenger's legs?

I think the bags are 7 gen types.

The write up in the UK's MCN was a bit indifferent, and you can see why. Just an upright seating position with less power, spoilt by peg position.
Yet a friend of mine had a test ride on one yesterday and quite liked it, although he baulked at the 9 grand asking price. He also test rode a CB1000R and couldn't get on with it. And he's 6'4" tall.
So, don't knock it until you've tried it, but I suspect the Market for this bike is not existing VFR owners....

I may be able to help later on this summer. The Crossrunner is one of my finalists of "what bike to rent" when I go to the Eifel Forrest in July. If so, full write-up.

Money will be an issue and the Crossrunner is 350 euros for a week.

On a different note, this thing is also on the list and I dont know why. It intriques me...........
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On a different note, this thing is also on the list and I dont know why. It intriques me...........

Is that a CBF600?

If it's the same bike I'm thinking of, I've heard it's somewhat anemic and not at all what you would expect from a 600 naked. Depending on your intention whilst in the EU, it may be just the ticket, but you might have more fun on one of these, since it has 25 more horses:

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Personally, I think the Hornet's uglier, but OTOH it might be easier to find one of them vs. the CBF. :happy:

Hmmm, surely reworked header pipes and intake trumpets also means different camshaft profiles and also less top end power...

It will be interesting to see how all this pans out because it really could mean that folks are dropping for the Crossrunner ECU and other mods!!

My ride is VTEC 2004 japanese spec, derestricted.
For those of you who do not know, according to Japanese regulations all vehicles are restricted in max. speed (180km/h) and max.power.
For example, 1000cc bikes are limited to 100hp, 400cc - to 53hp. VFR800 comes limitied to 80hp.
However Honda does not give up, and in order to please their customers they add some extra meat to their bikes in low and mid range. (probably other makers do the same).

Following parts have to be replaced if you want your jap spec VTEC to get its ponies back:
-intake trumpets (!!!) original are smaller diameter and longer then export spec (sounds familiar, isn't it?).
-different muffler
-spark plugs (they have to be colder type)
-some air box mods
-some fiddling with ECU wiring

As a result you will get 103hp at slightly lower revs, and yet there is more torque in mid range than export spec has. I saw graphs comparing derestricted jap spec with export spec. So obviously camshafts are different!!!
Almost forgot - VTEC cuts in at sweet 6400RPM!!!

Does not it all sound, that Honda had that Crossrunner engine developed long ago! But for whatever reason (probably less max power) did not use it for any exported bikes.

I could not complain about VTEC transition from the very beggining. However poor throttle control at low revs almost forced me to sell it last summer. I used to own GSX-R1000 K1 and it was much smoother and powerfull at low range (not comparing these two bikes, mind you)
Thanks to this site, I installed PCV and.... here it comes - VFR nirvana.
Cozy's map was not the best though, probably due to different cams and VTEC transition. After a lot of experimenting and fiddling with maps, found that the best one is Dynojet's M111-506.

So, is my bike is the best 6thgen VFR available or what?!?!
;))

...As a result you will get 103hp at slightly lower revs, and yet there is more torque in mid range than export spec has. I saw graphs comparing derestricted jap spec with export spec. So obviously camshafts are different!!!
Almost forgot - VTEC cuts in at sweet 6400RPM!!!

...Cozy's map was not the best though, probably due to different cams and VTEC transition. After a lot of experimenting and fiddling with maps, found that the best one is Dynojet's M111-506.

So, is my bike is the best 6thgen VFR available or what?!?!
;))

Umm, So you lost the power dip at 6-7k rpm? Got torque spilled all over the lower RPMS now?

-This means maybe you now have a 4.5 Gen, or 5.1 depending...
For full effect get a full-on, analog 4th gen their 8 valves kick in when you turn the key. :biggrin: :fing02:

...As a result you will get 103hp at slightly lower revs, and yet there is more torque in mid range than export spec has. I saw graphs comparing derestricted jap spec with export spec. So obviously camshafts are different!!!
Almost forgot - VTEC cuts in at sweet 6400RPM!!!

...Cozy's map was not the best though, probably due to different cams and VTEC transition. After a lot of experimenting and fiddling with maps, found that the best one is Dynojet's M111-506.

So, is my bike is the best 6thgen VFR available or what?!?!
;))

Umm, So you lost the power dip at 6-7k rpm? Got torque spilled all over the lower RPMS now?

-This means maybe you now have a 4.5 Gen, or 5.1 depending...
For full effect get a full-on, analog 4th gen their 8 valves kick in when you turn the key. :biggrin: :fing02:

Do not forget, that my "5.1" runs in nice 6th gen chassis
;)