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Daugherty Vs Penske Vs Ohlins

10 posts Started 5 Sep 2014 Last recovered post 26 Oct 2014 Wayback Machine snapshot 25 Jan 2016

#1
By coincidence I bought a used Penske off of eBay and the first thing I did was have Penske take a look at it. When they told me that other than it not being for the bike the seller said it was from and that it would need quite a few changes made to fit the VFR, I knew what I already knew, that I would need to have it rebuilt to fit my application. The only reason I sent it to Penske was to confirm the shock was rebuild able as the body had some markings on it like if the shock was rubbing against something. Once Penske gave me the thumbs up, I sent it off to JD and have been enjoying its quality of performance ever since I got back and installed. I ended up putting this on my 5 Gen play bike.

As it's been said a few times, what's inside the device is more important than the device brand itself, even having the stock shock rebuilt can make a huge difference. There is nothing wrong with the Showa suspension that can't be fixed with the right amount of knowledge. Talking with JD when I had planned to revamp my 6 Gen suspension, he seemed to like and appreciate the Showa hardware but as the stock stuff isn't meant for one rider specifically, it does need to be built to suit to get the most out of it. In this case I found an OEM ABS model VFR shock and had JD rebuild it for me and it transformed the bike but mostly after I put in the fork bits he setup and sent me (Springs, valves and shims), as the f/r were more in balance. I went with the OEM shock for a few reasons, 1) I knew it would fit, 2) it has the remote preload adjuster (handy for the different weight I would placing on the bike), 3) it was totally affordable, with and without the JD additions.

In the OEM shock scenario, it is basically what CC said, paying $40 for a shock and the rest for what gets put inside. So why did I go OEM the first time and then go aftermarket on the second go round? Adjustability! Although the Showa shock does have rebound adjuster and remote preload, it does not have a compression adjuster, which the Penske does. Since the 5 Gen was going to built for pure sport riding I wanted a shock that had more adjustability. Similarly I had JD rebuild the forks and had him add in the rebound adjusters while he was at it. Yes, I could have gone all hog wild and replaced the entire front end with an entire from end from another bike, this was a budget build. Improve where I could without breaking out the credit card and making more work for myself. (i.e. Delinking the front brakes and buying all the bits and pieces that go with that build)

Long story short (oops, too late), the moral of the story, it does not matter what you buy, to get the most out of it, it takes some additional work and that should be part of your budget. The nice thing about the JD 929 shock is that it is very affordable in comparison to the other options, but will still improve your suspension greatly (at least IMO). If you're just using your bike for commuting, touring with the occasional play ride thrown in once in a while, I think the JD 929 shock would be a great option, but don't just do the rear, also change the front at the same time, you won't regret it!
#2

My 99 has a JD on it from a previous owner, so all I know is it's a 929 shock with a 1150 lb./in. spring. Seems to work well for my 200# and with my 140# wife on back. Even with the GIVI's loaded solo it handled well I thought compared to my ol 94 stock VFR and my 02 that had a unit off an ABS model. 

I am no track rider or knee dragger so I may not be the best judge of suspension. It works well compared to other ST bikes I have owned/ridden. Riding with a friend tomorrow that has a box stock 2000 and want to see what if anything feels different. 


#3

For  me   JMr   front(CBR internals)  and  back(CBR rear)  is  plenty  good  enough  for  me.  For  what  most  riders  spent  on  a  rear  shock ($1000)   i  got  both  front  and  rear .  I  can  push  it  and  drags  knee  with  the  best. High  hp's bikes might  leave   me  in  the  straight  aways but   I  am  right  back  in  the  turns.


#4

Slightly off topic here, but last night I installed the new DMr springs and damper internals (new compression piston and shims, rebound new shims only) for the forks on my 99, and got in a short ride today. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Immediately apparent was a much softer, more fluid feel from the forks, without all of the jarring that I was getting from the stock set-up and that was causing me quite a bit of wrist pain on longer rides. Also obvious was that the forks are riding quite a bit higher now, higher rate springs will do that, but I hadn't realised how sacked out the old ones were. This is making the bike steer a bit slower, and calmed the steering a bit, and also tilted a little weight off my wrists. Feel under braking is great, and bump absorption is much improved; I started looking for really bumpy roads to check that out. So this mod is something that I can really endorse. The VFR forks are pretty easy to work on and the cartridge came apart without much effort. The DMr compression valve is identical to the Racetech product, and even the shim selection was identical to the default Racetech recommendations.

Today I also got a chance to ride a 2014 VFR800 at a dealer demo day. Felt very new and shiny, and had a a good riding position and nicely setup suspension, but was not a day and night improvement over my 99. Unlinked brakes were no different in feel or power to the linked brakes with EBC pads. Power overall felt pretty similar, the VTEC transition wasn't noticeable but certainly makes an intense noise! I did like the low set indicator switch, a much more logical location IMO. Would I trade in my old VFR? Nope, but the 14 is nice enough.


#5

I had JD rebuild my front and VFR rear shock with new springs and Race Tech valves and I'm very happy with the results. The bike performs great and stays planted to the road. It is balanced and set up for my weight. (250lbs). He did both ends for about $650 US. I can confirm that JD likes the Penske shock over even the Ohlins. I would email him and ask him what he would recommend. Best of luck.


#6

I had JD rebuild my front and VFR rear shock with new springs and Race Tech valves and I'm very happy with the results. The bike performs great and stays planted to the road. It is balanced and set up for my weight. (250lbs). He did both ends for about $650 US. I can confirm that JD likes the Penske shock over even the Ohlins. I would email him and ask him what he would recommend. Best of luck.

Does  the  Penske  rear  shock  need  to  be  check  and   inspected  like  Ohlin  does ?


#7

As it's been said a few times, what's inside the device is more important than the device brand itself, even having the stock shock rebuilt can make a huge difference.

Yup, totally agree. The suspension on my VFR has been through a few changes, but is currently Showa forks with Ohlins and Racetech internals, and Elka shock with Ohlins internals. It's GOOD.


#8

Does  the  Penske  rear  shock  need  to  be  check  and   inspected  like  Ohlin  does ?

Yes it does need servicing just like Ohlins or any shock for that matter, the difference is Ohlins, Penske, etc are built to be serviced unlike the OEM shocks which can be rebuilt but is an after thought that at times need custom modifications to do so. The average service interval is around 15000-25000km for a shock


#9

Does  the  Penske  rear  shock  need  to  be  check  and   inspected  like  Ohlin  does ?

Yes it does need servicing just like Ohlins or any shock for that matter, the difference is Ohlins, Penske, etc are built to be serviced unlike the OEM shocks which can be rebuilt but is an after thought that at times need custom modifications to do so. The average service interval is around 15000-25000km for a shock

 Thanks .


#10

By coincidence I bought a used Penske off of eBay and the first thing I did was have Penske take a look at it. When they told me that other than it not being for the bike the seller said it was from and that it would need quite a few changes made to fit the VFR, I knew what I already knew, that I would need to have it rebuilt to fit my application. The only reason I sent it to Penske was to confirm the shock was rebuild able as the body had some markings on it like if the shock was rubbing against something. Once Penske gave me the thumbs up, I sent it off to JD and have been enjoying its quality of performance ever since I got back and installed. I ended up putting this on my 5 Gen play bike.

As it's been said a few times, what's inside the device is more important than the device brand itself, even having the stock shock rebuilt can make a huge difference. There is nothing wrong with the Showa suspension that can't be fixed with the right amount of knowledge. Talking with JD when I had planned to revamp my 6 Gen suspension, he seemed to like and appreciate the Showa hardware but as the stock stuff isn't meant for one rider specifically, it does need to be built to suit to get the most out of it. In this case I found an OEM ABS model VFR shock and had JD rebuild it for me and it transformed the bike but mostly after I put in the fork bits he setup and sent me (Springs, valves and shims), as the f/r were more in balance. I went with the OEM shock for a few reasons, 1) I knew it would fit, 2) it has the remote preload adjuster (handy for the different weight I would placing on the bike), 3) it was totally affordable, with and without the JD additions.

In the OEM shock scenario, it is basically what CC said, paying $40 for a shock and the rest for what gets put inside. So why did I go OEM the first time and then go aftermarket on the second go round? Adjustability! Although the Showa shock does have rebound adjuster and remote preload, it does not have a compression adjuster, which the Penske does. Since the 5 Gen was going to built for pure sport riding I wanted a shock that had more adjustability. Similarly I had JD rebuild the forks and had him add in the rebound adjusters while he was at it. Yes, I could have gone all hog wild and replaced the entire front end with an entire from end from another bike, this was a budget build. Improve where I could without breaking out the credit card and making more work for myself. (i.e. Delinking the front brakes and buying all the bits and pieces that go with that build)

Long story short (oops, too late), the moral of the story, it does not matter what you buy, to get the most out of it, it takes some additional work and that should be part of your budget. The nice thing about the JD 929 shock is that it is very affordable in comparison to the other options, but will still improve your suspension greatly (at least IMO). If you're just using your bike for commuting, touring with the occasional play ride thrown in once in a while, I think the JD 929 shock would be a great option, but don't just do the rear, also change the front at the same time, you won't regret it!

I've been reading (and re-reading)  the pinned posts in the suspension forum lately (thanks to all for the hard work that went in to those BTW), working on deciding what updates to do during the winter hibernation.   What I like about this post is that it gives clear & concise reasons for making one choice vs another and getting best value for money.  Just what I was looking for.   Nicely done. 


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