Dn-01

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http://world.honda.com/news/2007/2071004Hu...y-Transmission/

just think. a rubicon tranny on a 7th gen. :blink:
not sure i like that idea.
but the rubicon tranny is the best auto tranny in the ATV world.

VFR800FA9? :pissed:

RVF800R9! :thumbsup:


i still think we might see something else at the tokyo show this month.
besides the 4 concepts. and the DN-01 we have already seen.

Yes...this was discussed before. I don't know about automatics but I like the way the bike looks and if it has respectable power and weight standards could see myself on one of those after it has been on the market a couple of years (like 5 since that is how long it took Honda to figure out the front harness issue :salesman:). A plus the transmission has different "modes". I would throw it in manual and leave it there. :thumbsup:

Edit: Then again...that would depend on a test drive as it looks like a cruiser in sport farings. I like my twisties. ;)

Kinda cool! I could see this on a vfr: manual mode in the twities, auto mode in the city especially when you've been on the road all day and hit the gridlock coming home and you're tired.

As the press release states, Honda has a long history with auto-style trannies. How many of us learned on the clutchless 50's?

More than likely the HFT transmission will find it's way into the Goldwing, and possibly the ST1300. JMHO.

[image: View Post]FotoMoto, on Oct 4 2007, 09:48 AM, said:

How many of us learned on the clutchless 50's?
Not me...I wasn't even in the works yet. :goofy:

That exhaust is SOOOOO ugly....and I am seeing it on all sorts of things. Do you think they could make it bigger maybe?

I think an auto-tranny would be great for disabled riders, Heavy bikes for sure, as well as just general lazy people. I prefer a manual, but then I don't even have to think about the clutch anymore, it just happens.

I think it looks like a Rune with fairings, it's long and ugly. [image: Posted Image]

http://www.motorsports-network.com/honda/2...n01/tranny.html
here is some good info on the rubicon version.

it truly is the very best atv tranny ever made.

as long as it had good shift response. why not. it would also yield great MPG. since it is a CVT.

there are some good videos over at world.honda on the dn-01 and the e4-01
http://world.honda.c...05/dn01/videos/

DN-01 stands for DREAM NEW #1
wonder what E4 stands for.

Regardless of the looks the DN will fill a niche. I have had a LOT of people tell me that they would ride a bike, but don't know how to operate a manual transmission. On the other hand, automatic bikes haven't been too succesful in the past. Anyone seen a Ridley recently? Ridley Automatic Motorcycles

Frankly, this worries me. I've always suggested that if a manual transmission (in a car) is too difficult to operate perhaps a motorcycle will be too confusing...

Am I wrong?

[image: View Post]CementHead, on Oct 4 2007, 11:54 AM, said:

Frankly, this worries me. I've always suggested that if a manual transmission (in a car) is too difficult to operate perhaps a motorcycle will be too confusing...

Am I wrong?

Perhaps they don't know how to operate a manual transmission, only becuase they don't access to one. Manual cars must be sought for.

[image: View Post]CementHead, on Oct 4 2007, 12:54 PM, said:

Regardless of the looks the DN will fill a niche. I have had a LOT of people tell me that they would ride a bike, but don't know how to operate a manual transmission. On the other hand, automatic bikes haven't been too succesful in the past. Anyone seen a Ridley recently? Ridley Automatic Motorcycles

Frankly, this worries me. I've always suggested that if a manual transmission (in a car) is too difficult to operate perhaps a motorcycle will be too confusing...

Am I wrong?
:+1: :+1:

[image: View Post]CementHead, on Oct 4 2007, 09:54 AM, said:

Frankly, this worries me. I've always suggested that if a manual transmission (in a car) is too difficult to operate then you probably should not be driving..
Let me fix that quote for you. ;)


In all seriousness, the DN-01 (680cc V-Twin) will make a nice addition to the giant scooter crowd. Both the Silverwing (582cc Parallel Twin) and Suzuki Burgman (638cc Parallel Twin) already do fairly well with their CVT transmissions.

[image: View Post]CementHead, on Oct 4 2007, 12:54 PM, said:

I've always suggested that if a manual transmission (in a car) is too difficult to operate perhaps a motorcycle will be too confusing...
I think having owned mostly manual transmission autos for years made learning to clutch and shift my first bike much easier. I think the same would be true for most people.

[image: View Post]Rabidsnipe, on Oct 4 2007, 01:06 PM, said:

Manual cars must be sought for.
Personally I prefer manuals, but they're not available in most cars today, esp. once you get to a medium or high "trim" level. Ex: Honda CR-V EX models are automatics only, which is what I have now.

Reading about how the transmission works reminds me of a hydraulic motor system that was used when I was in the Navy...back in the 70's. Old technology returns...

[image: View Post]ROUSE, on Oct 4 2007, 11:50 AM, said:

wonder what E4 stands for.

Like the video says...

Elegance, Excitement, Enjoyment, Easy = E4

http://world.honda.c...05/e401/videos/

Not for me, but i know a few people who would probably dig it. Room for 2 full face lids under the seat is impressive.

[image: View Post]TimC, on Oct 4 2007, 02:04 PM, said:

Personally I prefer manuals, but they're not available in most cars today, esp. once you get to a medium or high "trim" level. Ex: Honda CR-V EX models are automatics only, which is what I have now.

Yeah, really. Try to find a full size pickup with a manual transmission and ANY kind of trim package! It's ridiculous. Why can't I have a V8, a 5spd, and carpet, power windows and a cd player??? I really miss driving stick since buying my 03 Silverado, but at least I get to ride my bike every day. :thumbsup:

i kinda the styling of it, except for th exhaust. though it would stay on manual 99% of the time

I actually like them both - something more usable for short commutes to work in a relaxed style then tear it up in the Snake and Donkey on the VFR! :wheel:

LOL!

Here in UnZud, cars with auto transmissions are more expensive, and not as common as manuals.
Personally, I think people who drive only automatics and can't drive a manual are wieners.

I'm not saying I don't see a place for them; I made my wife buy an auto as my left knee was giving me grief and I was expecting that changing gear could become a real problem for me (arthritis). Since then, it hasn't got much worse, and after a few years of driving her auto, my wife has real problems in a manual.

Also, the new DSG auto transmissions that are coming out are really sweet. Test-drove a VW Eos recently with 6-speed DSG, and it was very nice!

[image: View Post]enzed_viffer, on Oct 4 2007, 04:46 PM, said:

Also, the new DSG auto transmissions that are coming out are really sweet. Test-drove a VW Eos recently with 6-speed DSG, and it was very nice!

The DSG really is a manual tranny, it just has hydraulically (IIRC) actuated clutches so no clutch pedal, and the option of manual or automatic gear selection. I still prefer to use my foot and row my own, but the DSG will shift faster than one can with a conventional manual.

I think it'd take me while to get used to a CVT, but I have ridden in a Mini with one at the track, and it did work well. I'm not at all attracted to a CVT that tries to fool me into thinking it's something else.

Unfortunately a lot of the development in cages is geared towards consumers who want the least involving or demanding vehicular appliance possible. It looks like Honda is going for that market in bikes, too, but I'm not interested.

I had guessed that the "Honda Dream" was going to be a new Pacific Coast; looks like I wasn't too far off. At least they're still developing the CBRs, so they're not totally lost.

from the Honda Davidson scooter division.
no thanks.

I dunno, any innovation that can get more people to join our hobby/sport.....who knows? Yes, traction control, stringent emissions standards...they are all coming. Motorcycling is changing very quickly.

Some day, people will look back at a 6th gen and say "wow, what an old-school bike that was!" (not that it's particularly advanced nowadays)

Honda.....please, let us have some fun before everything has an airbag or GPS or traction control......

Not for me. I'd say, put a man, his boy companion, or the Police commissioner's daughter on one with a cape, and it would look just about right.

But if it gets more people two wheeling, I'm all for it. With or without the optional Honda Logo Cape.

That thing will look great parked next to my Pontiac Aztec.

yea, but can ya do wheelies w/ those things?

No, thanks. While yes, it would make it easier for daily commutes and traffic, I'm not trusting an automatic transmission on two wheels. I've had two car tranny's go bad on me while on the road. On a bike it could be serious. I know that I've probably just have had bad experiences with tranny's, but that's a chance i don't want to take on a bike. Plus, stuck in traffic, I'm more worried about my engine temps than wearing down the clutch.

Yes, it is a great piece of modern engineering and it has its place in the market today, especially for motor scooters, i just don't want to see it in every motorcycle. That just takes most of the fun out of it.

Jeremy Clarkson made a good point about the difference in transmissions between modern sportscars and the old F40. In modern cars, you have a computer to control every little thing you do. When you give it throttle, the signal goes to a computer where they form a committee where they decide how much power to actually give you and which wheels to give it to, when to take away power, so on so forth. The F40 is a dictatorship. You press pedal, it goes.

I'm just weary of electronics breaking. . In "Long way around", one of the GS ADV's were disabled because of the ABS sensor or something.
Fuel injected bikes are probably better than carburetted bikes in most aspects. But when im thousands of miles from home and i get a problem with my injectors, most likely the bike won't run. Whereas if i get a carb issue, i can at least gimp the bike somewhere. Just some points to consider.

and yes, it is hard getting a truck in standard with anything in it. I know how you feel.

Large engine, sport bike size wheels, large brakes..............POWER SCOOTER......I'm in, if it ever happens.......... :thumbsup:

I'd like the DN-01 for a touring bike. There are many touring bikes out now that look much worse IMHO. Too bad it only has 65 hp though. :( That is it's biggest downfall to me. Other than that, I like the SSSA and wheels, that seat sure looks comfy, and all together looks ergonomically friendly with a sporty look. But that E4-01, definitely not for me.