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Pro-oiler Install "how To", Vtec Vfr

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#1
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387955727_ARu4x-S.jpg
Why an oiler ?
I have heard the debate for years, O-ring chains are lubricated, no need to lube/oil, etc. I have also heard the folks rave about great chain life with oilers. So, what's the truth? Best I find out for myself. Along with the curiosity was the desire to mess with my chain less; So, why not try an oiler?

What this thread is
It is a pictorial "how to" regarding the Pro-Oiler. It is not intended to be a debate on the merits, or lack there of regarding automated oilers. Yes I know, I'm sure someone on this site has done nothing more than urinated on their chain every 1,000 and the chain has lasted a billion miles, I don't care. This is about finding out for myself.

Which oiler?
If you're after the oiler that does it all, I think there is only one real choice, Pro-oiler. It can use any oil, ya don't need to change weight of oil for temperature changes, no oil feed when the bike is not moving, dual delivery nozzle, no bizarre filling rituals, just unscrew the cap and pour in the oil and it is fully adjustable on the fly to deal with rain etc. Down side of this oiler; it cost more and the install is more complicated.

Getting the beast
Not as easy as you might think; no place sells them other than the manufacture in Belgium. Worse yet, a couple of major email hosting programs, (such as mine, sbcglobal.net) are read as spam by the servers at the Pro-oiler office so it takes a bit of effort to get through. I almost gave up, then I heard that Pablo, the main guy, is very helpful and I should email again. Well, I did at 6:30am before work and at 6:35am my phone rings, I answer and the guy on the other side, with an accent says, "Hello, this is Pablo for Belgium". Folks were right; what a great guy, he took my order, CC info and in about a week a box arrives at my house from Belgium.
Pro-Oiler

A plus for Vtec owners
Supposedly the pro-oiler was developed with the vtec VFR as a prototype model so it fits our bikes perfectly. Another nice touch, when you specify what bike you have any special parts are supplied, big plus here, the controller already has the proper recommended map for the Vtec programmed in!.

Lets get started

Disclaimer:
Everything you do to your bike, no matter what I write or anybody else states anyplace else is 100% your responsibility, just like when you climb on your bike and go for a ride. So, read everything here, the manual, and make your determination if it makes sense and how you want to proceed.



Ambiance
When I did my last wrenching "how to", for the manly job of CCT replacement, where you are covered in M/C fluids, knuckles bled and you use studly tools like torque wrenches, it was important to use the proper wrenching aids; this consisted of quality beer and rock'n music like Reckless Kelly performing Wicked Twisted Road.

This job is far different. The tools used here are things like tiny little screwdrivers along with lots of cerebral stuff dealing with matrixes and complicated tables. About as mechanical as you get, is stripping tiny little girly wires. This kind of job can be performed by a man who never had to face the difficult challenge in his youth of figuring out which end went up, large or small, when trying to put on his first athletic cup and supporter.

Therefore, sophisticated music like a good Jazz, and a fine cabernet wine is called for.
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/393916194_H93Nw-S.jpg

The package
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387952589_7J5zH-S.jpg

Inside
Holy cow! I have never received a better boxed, better packaged product, and more massive three booklet set of instructions! This is surely a techno geeks dream system, sadly, that is not me. Fear not, I choose to actually read the directions completely prior to even opening the first of the bubble wrapped, zip loc bag contained goodies. Usually the directions for a product get looked at by me only after one of two things happens, I have extra parts left over or I get stumped along the way.

Another comment about the directions, they are funny, check out this warning in red:

"EMI is not common- but don't even THINK about skipping this test" (more on this test later)

Or this comment following another warning, "This is a genuine warning-not of the "do not dry your dog in the microwave" type!"
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387952743_exEGW-S.jpg


After reading the copious amounts of paper work the first task is to do a dry run, test fit all the parts for there is limited room on a VFR.

Lots of "limited" space to pick from an a VFR
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387952895_XhLEx-S.jpg

The parts: controller, pump, brain, reservoir and nozzle.
I selected the left hand side under the seat, where the tool bag sits to locate the three main parts, brain, pump and reservoir. That still left me room under the seat for the stock tool bag, chain adjustment wrench extension, duct tape, elec tape, latex gloves, three CO2 cartridges and my complete string patch kit and pressure gauge.

This is a test fit photo, in the final install the reservoir is rotated 180 degrees to allow for the oil flow line to curve back to the pump that is adjacent to the reservoir
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387953034_9JVS8-S.jpg

I placed the controller up on the dash.
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/389287845_65Qh6-M.jpg

The nozzle, well it only goes one place; there is no drilling for the nozzle, it just attaches to the existing chain guard bolt.
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387955727_ARu4x-S.jpg

Find your elec power, no secrets here. It must be a switched lead, I used the tail light.
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/395384828_mhnR3-S.jpg

They recommend not running the earth back to the negative battery terminal so I grounded it here.
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/395384994_fY8b4-S.jpg

Speedo wire location. The yellow wire leads from the tap inside the clear boot and runs back to the junction box under the seat. The wire tapped inside the boot (can't see in photo) is the pink one.
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/393914449_7EXz4-S.jpg

I routed the controller harness back along the upper frame rail to the junction box. It is a very clean and tidy fused system as you can see here. I set the reservoir, the line continuing towards the rear of the bike, the breather that must end higher than the bottle and it does so nicely as it runs up the tail.
Control box, with top off
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387955418_5h7qb-S.jpg

Over flow tube heading back and up under tail
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387951663_mj8uw-S.jpg

The feed line makes a graceful curve around and under the frame rail behind it and meets the pump. The line exits the pump and runs down the frame to just above the swing arm and I created a gentle curve in it to allow for swing arm movement and zip tied it along the top of the chain guard and dropped it down to the nozzle.
Feed line routing
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387956715_SYGHf-S.jpg

Under frame view, with loop for swing arm movement
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387955838_fXXvi-S.jpg

Couple more shots
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387956324_aQFvf-S.jpg

http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/387956185_MqvNg-S.jpg

Line now primed and full of oil
http://rad.smugmug.com/photos/389287040_7A8if-S.jpg






After it was all put together and I checked for power, speedo signal and EMI, that is a process where they have you start he bike and blip the throttle and you check to make sure no unwanted signal is being transferred to the controller via Electrical Magnetic Interference. The only signal it should get is from the speedo sensor.

After that is a process of following the direction specifically in order to calibrate the speedo reading and set it up for your bike, priming the unit and then going for a ride.

Road test
Once set up the unit is a no mess with type of application. I cleaned my chain completely (I thought) prior to the install as the directions state and was surprised just how much gunk kept appearing on the outer edge of the links in the first few hundred miles as the oil flow lubed and cleaned the chain. Due to it taking awhile for the built up crud to leave the chain, it was not until a couple hundred miles later I could tell that the preset and changeable settings for the VFR, 10 point movable on the fly adjustments, were right on for the VFR. I run on setting 3, as recommended; it is perfect, good oil delivery and minimal fling.


Quick, 500 mile review
So far I'm very happy with it. I believe chain life is more dependent on keeping a chain clean, crud and grit free, more than anything else. The Pro-Oiler does this incredibly well without you ever having to touch the chain. This is accomplished because the system, like all oilers, is a total loss system; this means every drop of oil placed on the chain leaves that chain at some point, taking with it any dirt and crud. It does not matter what type of paste, wax or oil you use on a chain, if it stays on the chain and does not leave, it collects its share of road grit, oilers do not.

I can already tell, this winter, rain or shine, I no longer will be cleaning a chain on my VFR!

Future plans: I think I will route the visible white/transparent delivery tube inside a black slightly larger tube making it completely unnoticeable along with changing the Speedo wire to a black for the same purpose, vanity.


Now, I wait and see, will chain life improve? Time, or miles I should say, will tell.
#2
I certainly like the idea of never touching my chain again, not may fav job. Have you noticed that once you have found a setting that works your staying on that setting? I guess I'm wondering if the controller needs to be up front. Thank you and please keep us informed.
#3
Great pictorial :fing02:

[image: View Post]rad, on Oct 16 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

It is a pictorial “how to” regarding the Pro-Oiler. It is not intended to be a debate on the merits, or lack there of regarding automated oilers.
....
So far I’m very happy with it. I believe chain life is more dependent on keeping a chain clean, crud and grit free, more than anything else.

:+1: Keep the O/W/X/Z rings clean & lubed so it can keep the grease inside the chain longer.

Quote

Future plans: I think I will route the visible white/transparent delivery tube inside a black slightly larger tube making it completely unnoticeable
Because it is such a carefree setup you will likely forget to top up the oil container at least once. The tube being transparent enables you to notice the air bubbles in the system as a reminder. Maybe add some soot or graphite to the oil to get a darker color, but first ask Pablo if this may in some way be harmfull to the pump.

[image: View Post]jasonsmith, on Oct 16 2008, 05:12 PM, said:

Have you noticed that once you have found a setting that works your staying on that setting? I guess I'm wondering if the controller needs to be up front.
I only temporarily change the setting when it is raining or riding on a dirt road.
#4
Hello,
I just got myself a Pro-oiler and will follow your installation instruction. Very well done btw.
Q. wich oil do you put in the container and why.
Thanks
#5
The Euros are so damn paranoid about EMI I'm surprised they arent required to wear tinfoil hats.
Great write up BTW, although I prefer AC/DC and beer w/ my wrenching.
#6

[image: View Post]mechdziner714, on Nov 5 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

The Euros are so damn paranoid about EMI I'm surprised they arent required to wear tinfoil hats.
Like Rad describes in this howto, you have to check whether the PO controller does not get EMI from the bike's electronics as that will screw up the oil delivery. We are ourselves almost immune to EMI as we eat a lot of healthy iron rich food that makes your body almost into a faraday cage :biggrin:

Tinfoil hats are a thing of the past:
Then http://www.ons-boeregoed.nl/images/zbkatholiek1.jpg => now http://www.duitslandweb.nl/binaries/Thema/WK_2006/wedstrijden/invasie2-194.jpg
#7

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on Nov 5 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

[image: View Post]mechdziner714, on Nov 5 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

The Euros are so damn paranoid about EMI I'm surprised they arent required to wear tinfoil hats.
Like Rad describes in this howto, you have to check whether the PO controller does not get EMI from the bike's electronics as that will screw up the oil delivery. We are ourselves almost immune to EMI as we eat a lot of healthy iron rich food that makes your body almost into a faraday cage :biggrin:

Tinfoil hats are a thing of the past:
Then http://www.ons-boeregoed.nl/images/zbkatholiek1.jpg => now http://www.duitslandweb.nl/binaries/Thema/WK_2006/wedstrijden/invasie2-194.jpg

:laugh:


On a more serious note regarding the question asked a couple of posts back about which oil and why! Yikes an oil thread....RUN :ohmy:

The directions/FAQ's, you can down load from the Pro-Oiler site, speaks well to this. Bottom line, any oil works, thinner is better.
#8

[image: View Post]mechdziner714, on Nov 5 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

The Euros are so damn paranoid about EMI I'm surprised they arent required to wear tinfoil hats.
Great write up BTW, although I prefer AC/DC and beer w/ my wrenching.
Nothing to do with being paranoid. Having done hundreds of installations on different bikes for PO I can tell you that EMI is not a major concern, but it can in certain cases royaly screw up the sensor wire which will make a big mess in oil delivery. Hence the check.

As for what oil, the easiest is to use whatever you put in your engine, as you are likely to have little leftovers after each service. But really, you can use the cheapest motor oil you can find.

DO NOT under any circumstance try to be smart and use stuff like chainsaw oil. It can destroy your pump and the tackiness negates the purpose of having the system. If it doesn't fling off, it's grinding. Use regular motor oil only.
#9
:+1: Christmas list!

Nice write up. :fing02:
#10
:+1: Wish list! It's going to have to wait. My christmas list is busted BIG time! LOL
#11

[image: View Post]RustyA, on Nov 23 2008, 11:45 PM, said:

:+1: Wish list! It's going to have to wait. My christmas list is busted BIG time! LOL

LOL

That's what I meant too... :laugh:
#12

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on Oct 16 2008, 10:46 AM, said:

Great pictorial :fing02:

Quote

Future plans: I think I will route the visible white/transparent delivery tube inside a black slightly larger tube making it completely unnoticeable
Because it is such a carefree setup you will likely forget to top up the oil container at least once. The tube being transparent enables you to notice the air bubbles in the system as a reminder. Maybe add some soot or graphite to the oil to get a darker color, but first ask Pablo if this may in some way be harmfull to the pump.

You could use an oil like Royal Purple or Silkolene if visibility is your goal. Not intended to be an endorsement of any one brand of oil, I'm only saying that those two oils have very dark visible color. Purple and Red, respectively.
#14
What about the ScottOiler? This seems very complex compared to their own solution, and it's been around for years!
#15

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Nov 24 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

What about the ScottOiler? This seems very complex compared to their own solution, and it's been around for years!


I have never owned one; this is what my research told me about them.


ScottOiler; runs on the bike vacuum, it drips oil when the engine is running, even when stopped, no way to adjust on the fly, must change weights of oil for higher temps, not easy to re-fill.
#16
I have the best automatic oiler, minimum maintenance system on my ST,...It's called a SHAFT! :biggrin: If you keep the bike for 100K all you will do is change the fluid once at 60K!
Nice write-up though if we have to live in the dark age of motorcycle technology this seems like a good solution :beer:
#17
There is another option for auto-oilers - The Cameleon Chain Oiler. I installed it on my '99VFR and it works great! Very easy to install, it took me about an hour, but half that time was spent trying to decide where to put it. The oil only comes out when the bike is running. Its great for long rides, etc., once it's installed no need to worry about lubing chain/sprockets.

You can read my installation and review here:

Cameleon Chain Oiler

I was so impressed, I'm now selling them. I'm offering $20.00 off the reg price of $199.95
#18

[image: View Post]rad, on Oct 16 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

Quick, 500 mile review
So far I'm very happy with it. I believe chain life is more dependent on keeping a chain clean, crud and grit free, more than anything else. The Pro-Oiler does this incredibly well without you ever having to touch the chain. This is accomplished because the system, like all oilers, is a total loss system; this means every drop of oil placed on the chain leaves that chain at some point, taking with it any dirt and crud. It does not matter what type of paste, wax or oil you use on a chain, if it stays on the chain and does not leave, it collects its share of road grit, oilers do not.

The chain is clean of gunk, fine. Does that mean it all ends up on the rear wheel or rear cowl? How this increased the need of cleaning the bike?
#19

[image: View Post]Robert VFR, on Nov 25 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

[image: View Post]rad, on Oct 16 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

Quick, 500 mile review
So far I'm very happy with it. I believe chain life is more dependent on keeping a chain clean, crud and grit free, more than anything else. The Pro-Oiler does this incredibly well without you ever having to touch the chain. This is accomplished because the system, like all oilers, is a total loss system; this means every drop of oil placed on the chain leaves that chain at some point, taking with it any dirt and crud. It does not matter what type of paste, wax or oil you use on a chain, if it stays on the chain and does not leave, it collects its share of road grit, oilers do not.

The chain is clean of gunk, fine. Does that mean it all ends up on the rear wheel or rear cowl? How this increased the need of cleaning the bike?

No question about it, the rear wheel has fling on it, not a lot, but more than a conventional good sticking chain lube or wax. If your top priority is the looks of your rear wheel, auto oilers are not your best choice.
#20
Eastest way to have a pre oiler is to nick the seal behind your countershaft sprocket... you get a running oil
leak that is not only hot but unlimted as well... Honda's old 305s use to sport s screw at the end of the
countershaft that was designed to meter hot oil on the the chain... with the advent of the O ring chain this
was no longer cost effective so Honda dropped the feature...
#21
The difference being that you now have to keep an extra close eye on your oil level. Low oil in the resevoir of the pro-oiler means you have a dry chain. Low oil with your method means you're about to have issues...
#22

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Nov 25 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

Eastest way to have a pre oiler is to nick the seal behind your countershaft sprocket... you get a running oil
leak that is not only hot but unlimted as well... Honda's old 305s use to sport s screw at the end of the
countershaft that was designed to meter hot oil on the the chain... with the advent of the O ring chain this
was no longer cost effective so Honda dropped the feature...


I can just imagine suggesting this as a serious course of action. "Using a medium sewing needle, carefully pierce the seal on the counter shaft, at the 2:00 position. The correct angle is 54 degrees, and should be done with a red-hot needle (white hot could be damaging)"

I have always said my Jeeps oil is self changing.....7 years ago I actually took the oil plug out.
#23

[image: View Post]magicman, on Nov 25 2008, 01:48 PM, said:

The difference being that you now have to keep an extra close eye on your oil level. Low oil in the resevoir of the pro-oiler means you have a dry chain. Low oil with your method means you're about to have issues...

It is written in your owners manual... check oil level on the pre ride inspection or risk being arrested for bike abuse...
#24
Could you take some pics of how much fling off there is after using it? I'm rather intrigued by this pro oiler idea, but am not sure about the fling off.
#25

[image: View Post]bortz, on Nov 26 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

Could you take some pics of how much fling off there is after using it? I'm rather intrigued by this pro oiler idea, but am not sure about the fling off.

You can always find your back home by following the oil spots...

http://hdabob.com/OilLeak.jpg
#26

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Nov 29 2008, 03:14 AM, said:

[image: View Post]bortz, on Nov 26 2008, 07:11 PM, said:

Could you take some pics of how much fling off there is after using it? I'm rather intrigued by this pro oiler idea, but am not sure about the fling off.

You can always find your back home by following the oil spots...

http://hdabob.com/OilLeak.jpg

"my old harley must be close to you I see the tracks in your drive way" :laugh:
#27
I am always amazed at how things come full circle! Pro oiler sounds like a great product and useful too. But..... My old Harleys were always accused of having oil leaks when the chain oiler system got out of adjustment. A small line ran off the oil pump over to the chain side and dripped a drop of oil on the chain every so often to keep it lubed - pre- o-ring chains - if the oil was too thin or the oiler out of adjustment (set by a small adjusting screw at the oil pump) then when you parked there would be oil spots on the ground having dripped off the chain. HD used that system from I believe the early 30's through the late 1970's - last one I had an oiler on was a custom construction with a 1977 model year engine. Great thread except that I now have another thing I want to buy for my VFR. BTW, how much was the pro oiler?
#28

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Nov 29 2008, 07:01 AM, said:

I am always amazed at how things come full circle! Pro oiler sounds like a great product and useful too. But..... My old Harleys were always accused of having oil leaks when the chain oiler system got out of adjustment. A small line ran off the oil pump over to the chain side and dripped a drop of oil on the chain every so often to keep it lubed - pre- o-ring chains - if the oil was too thin or the oiler out of adjustment (set by a small adjusting screw at the oil pump) then when you parked there would be oil spots on the ground having dripped off the chain. HD used that system from I believe the early 30's through the late 1970's - last one I had an oiler on was a custom construction with a 1977 model year engine. Great thread except that I now have another thing I want to buy for my VFR. BTW, how much was the pro oiler?

Hey great to hear someone else who remembers those old "HAWGS". :wheel: The oiler was not the only reason mine was trailing oil but I thought I had the coolest bike in highschool. :cool: Ah the day's of straight pipe's and gettin hasseled by the law because I rode a bike and refused to cut my hair. :offtopic:
Back to the oiler, I agree that the oiler is a good idea but I like to lube the chain myself and really get a good look at everything down there before most every ride. Thats just me.
#29
I have contacted Pro Oiler about a group buy...figured it might get us a deal and shipping would be less painful for the US folks at least, and possibly the Canadians as well. I will start a thread in Bargain Finder when I get the details about price tiers etc.
#30

[image: View Post]Tightwad, on Nov 29 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

I have contacted Pro Oiler about a group buy...figured it might get us a deal and shipping would be less painful for the US folks at least, and possibly the Canadians as well. I will start a thread in Bargain Finder when I get the details about price tiers etc.

My GF will be glad to hear that! See's gonna get me one for Xmas! :biggrin:

See if you can get it set up to be shipped out in time. :cool:
#31
I really like how you ran the oil line, well done..... :fing02:

[image: View Post]Tightwad, on Aug 10 2009, 10:37 AM, said:

You can see here where my oil line goes into the chainguard:
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/tightwad/SL741985.jpg

Zip Tied to Chain Guard:
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/tightwad/SL741983.jpg
#32

[image: View Post]rad, on Aug 11 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

I really like how you ran the oil line, well done..... :fing02:

[image: View Post]Tightwad, on Aug 10 2009, 10:37 AM, said:

You can see here where my oil line goes into the chainguard:
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/tightwad/SL741985.jpg

Zip Tied to Chain Guard:
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu93/tightwad/SL741983.jpg
That's the way I routed my line as-well. There is a groove in the Rivcyko hugger that just begs for a line to be run down the inside of it. :wheel:
#33
This week I did my end of summer update to my chain oiler blog.

Oil continues to end up on my rear tire. Here's the photo I used in the blog:

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/katherinebecker/Pro-Oiler/VFR6Kclose.jpg

This is what my tire looks like, 700 miles after I last cleaned the oil off it (with brake cleaner). I have not had a problem with oil on the tire on the TDM, even though the ScottOiler I installed on that bike has been dispensing about four times as much oil per mile. I think there's something about the shape of the VFR, or the way the wind blows around its rear wheel, that allows the oil to fling onto the tire. Some chainguard mods might help. Like if it were a little longer at the back.

Has anyone else found oil flinging onto their tire, and solved this problem? If so, how?

Thanks!
#34

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Sep 26 2009, 01:13 AM, said:

Has anyone else found oil flinging onto their tire, and solved this problem? If so, how?
Yes, on a friends VTEC, but that was because the oil feed line had seperated from the nozzle. After that was fixed and the PO set to run a little leaner there was no fling off getting on the tire profile. There is some on the sidewall, on mine too.
Table 21 is very lean, are you sure you have no EMI? I think there is pulse count mode so you can compare the number of pulses against distance travelled. If your setup still suffers from EMI maybe you could replace the pick-up with some caoxial cable.
#35

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on Sep 25 2009, 07:40 PM, said:

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Sep 26 2009, 01:13 AM, said:

Has anyone else found oil flinging onto their tire, and solved this problem? If so, how?
Yes, on a friends VTEC, but that was because the oil feed line had seperated from the nozzle. After that was fixed and the PO set to run a little leaner there was no fling off getting on the tire profile. There is some on the sidewall, on mine too.
Table 21 is very lean, are you sure you have no EMI? I think there is pulse count mode so you can compare the number of pulses against distance travelled. If your setup still suffers from EMI maybe you could replace the pick-up with some caoxial cable.

The EMI coming off the coils was so bad that I eventually gave up on running the controller anywhere in the front end of the bike. I relocated it to a spot on the tail, where it is protected by the support arm for my three case Givi rack. Once I moved it I had no EMI in any of the tests. I think that part is OK. Also, I have used less than half a quart of oil, in 6000 miles. So it's not like it's pumping vast amounts of oil.

It is supposed to fling a little bit - that's the whole point, that's what keeps the chain clean. But the flung oil is supposed to drop onto the road, or into the chain guard or something. It's not supposed to be channeled to the tire. I think it's something about the way the air circulates around the rear of the bike.
#36
Funny how you were getting so much EMI on your install. I had no issues at all, and mounted controller on left grip.

Just wanted to add some observations about this system as I learned from my trip down to the Summit meet and back.

*** IF YOU ADJUST CHAIN TENSION, DO NOT FORGET TO RE-ADJUST THE PRO-OILER NOZZLE ***

I adjusted my chain tension and forgot to adjust the Pro-Oiler. Ended up with oil flinging everywhere because the sprocket and nozzle became separated, so wind was catching oil and blowing it everywhere. Also, the teeth from the rear sprocket ended up catching on the nozzle and chewed it up pretty bad. Will have to order another nozzle soon.

I found the preset table to be a bit rich for the VFR but it is not a bad starting point. I understand that there will ALWAYS be some fling-off; after all that is how the system is designed to operate. So if you want totally clean rear tire and wheel, then revert back to periodic cleaning and lubing of chain. Otherwise, it is just something you will have to live with.

All in all, not a bad set-up.

Looking forward to 7th gen VFR coming out. I hope to scoop one after a few years and price comes down (I don't ride enough to justify a new one and I don't like first year models) and look forward to no chain maintenance. The ultimate solution to chain maintenance after all is to not have one!
#37

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Sep 26 2009, 02:04 AM, said:

It is supposed to fling a little bit - that's the whole point,
I know and I notice some fling off getting on the sidewall of the tire too, but never on the tire profile.
Maybe something like this will solve that.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1750/img1226qe7.jpg
#38

[image: View Post]Q-Dawg, on Sep 26 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

I found the preset table to be a bit rich for the VFR but it is not a bad starting point.

Same here, at least in hot weather. I found long high speed highway runs in warm weather gave me a lot of fling and a chain that was way to wet. I run on "1" now for warm weather and it is great. The weather has turned cool as fall has kicked in so I have bumped it back up to "2". I love how changing it is just a push of a button on the dash!
#39

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Sep 25 2009, 07:13 PM, said:

Has anyone else found oil flinging onto their tire, and solved this problem? If so, how?

Thanks!

Looks like you need to dial it down. Wipe everything down, including your chain, dial down the delivery, check the wheel and tire in a couple hundred miles and don't forget to do the finger test on the chain. If your wheel and tire look pretty good and you still get a nice dual oil stripe on your finger when you run it over your (non-running :laugh:) chain, it is set about right.
#40
I've been following this thread, and I dont know if anyone is gaining chain life , But I definitely see alot of time , frustration and money including cleaning of the garage floor.

When all is said and done, get the real thing , and easily cleanable and workable with wd

MOTOREX 622 STRONG STREET GREEN CAN

not avaliable in California due to emmisons standards

available at cycle gear , holds up signifcantly better than anything on the market and stays fluid , never seizies up like waxes.

I've ran alot of crap on the street and ever since trying this, Never have I (EVER)wanted to switch , its a completely different platform, than the various available crap for the road.
#41

[image: View Post]spud786, on Oct 5 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

I've been following this thread, and I dont know if anyone is gaining chain life , But I definitely see alot of time , frustration and money
That maybe true for the first few weeks finding the right setup. After a year or two it has paid for itself, saved you a lot of time not having to do chain maniteance and no more worrying if your chain will last till the end of your journey.
#42

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on Oct 5 2009, 05:47 PM, said:

[image: View Post]spud786, on Oct 5 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

I've been following this thread, and I dont know if anyone is gaining chain life , But I definitely see alot of time , frustration and money
That maybe true for the first few weeks finding the right setup. After a year or two it has paid for itself, saved you a lot of time not having to do chain maniteance and no more worrying if your chain will last till the end of your journey.

I have had zero issues with mine, and never a spot on the garage floor (not that I care, it's a garage not my kitchen). I do notice the plastic piece below the swingarm has a nice coating, and the rim/sidewall has some streaks. I have gone close to 4K miles with it, and haven't touched the chain.
#43
I think I'll write Pablo a note telling him how many people are finding the pre-set or suggested flow schedule to be too rich. After moving my pro-oiler from my 650R (where I had zero chain adjustments or cleaning in 14k miles) I found the suggested setting too rich for my VFR. Currently I am using 20/3 setting and that may be a little lean for commuting. NFW will I ever go back to the clean/lube routine pre pro-oiler.
#44

[image: View Post]swimmer, on Oct 5 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

I think I'll write Pablo a note telling him how many people are finding the pre-set or suggested flow schedule to be too rich. After moving my pro-oiler from my 650R (where I had zero chain adjustments or cleaning in 14k miles) I found the suggested setting too rich for my VFR. Currently I am using 20/3 setting and that may be a little lean for commuting. NFW will I ever go back to the clean/lube routine pre pro-oiler.

Who has seen big life chain life improvement?

Swimmers 14,000 mile on a Honda 650 R offroad bike , which i assume was dual sported . no ajustment till 14,000 mile. Thats very good.

I pulled an RK chain on a dual sport, that was lubed with triflow type lubes (kronicly ) throught chains life that probably had 5 adjustments and at 14,000 it was kinking pretty bad. (but that was extreme maintenance)

Other chains(like 3 of them) on that bike lasted around 10,000 mile avergage with same type lubes.

I switched to Regina chain and the Motorex at same time and I too went 14,000 on the chain, till need adjustment. Chain or Lube?

That was a major difference of improvment though, and huge improvement on cs sprocket wear, definitely from the LUBE


any body seeing that on the vfr, like youve gone from 15,000mile to 30,000 just because of the luber


Ofcourse, somebody that took the time to care for the chain, there's never any reason to be riding around on heavily rusted chain like I've seen in some pics. That rider no doubt would see alot more improvement with a luber.

But somebody that has engaged in keeping the chain in good shape that went to a luber and saw big life gain?
#45
When I had the chain on it for 20k kms Keny thought it was a bit to tight and we added some more slack to it. Now the chain is at 55k kms (34K mls) and it never needed adjustment or cleaning, stretch is less than 0.5%. I did replace the front sprocket 7K kms ago.
#46
The chain life thing is such a minor issue for me. For me what is so great about the oiler is that I never have to clean my chain or oil it. As a daily commuter, and someone who also tours on my VFR, no cleaning or oiling is fantastic. I love not having to clean or oil a chain in a motel parking lot or camp site while on a long tour! :biggrin:
#47

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on Oct 6 2009, 06:07 AM, said:

When I had the chain on it for 20k kms Keny thought it was a bit to tight and we added some more slack to it. Now the chain is at 55k kms (34K mls) and it never needed adjustment or cleaning, stretch is less than 0.5%. I did replace the front sprocket 7K kms ago.

What do you typically get on other chains with VFR with no luber?
#48

[image: View Post]V4 Rosso, on Oct 5 2009, 08:27 AM, said:

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Sep 26 2009, 02:04 AM, said:

It is supposed to fling a little bit - that's the whole point,
I know and I notice some fling off getting on the sidewall of the tire too, but never on the tire profile.
Maybe something like this will solve that.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1750/img1226qe7.jpg

Is this yours? If not, who? I would love to know more. Thanks!

[image: View Post]rad, on Oct 6 2009, 09:15 AM, said:

The chain life thing is such a minor issue for me. For me what is so great about the oiler is that I never have to clean my chain or oil it. As a daily commuter, and someone who also tours on my VFR, no cleaning or oiling is fantastic. I love not having to clean or oil a chain in a motel parking lot or camp site while on a long tour! :biggrin:

The chain life thing that really got me irate was when I had to replace it in the middle of a tour, 2500 miles from home. I'd expected to get about 15K on that chain, like all the others, but it went south at 8K. If the chain oiler will delay the onset of sudden chain death syndrome, and make it set in more slowly so I can go out on a 10,000 mile journey without worrying, that's huge.

But on a day to day basis, yes, I like the carefree aspect of it.

I haven't had the VFR out in a couple weeks - I've been riding the TDM around locally, and I haven't worked on the VFR, haven't even cleaned the tire. So I have no progress to report since my last post.
#49

[image: View Post]spud786, on Oct 6 2009, 03:21 PM, said:

What do you typically get on other chains with VFR with no luber?
35K kms max and then the chain and sprockets were toast. Riding on dirt roads and salt during the winter months doesn't do the chain any good. But Like others mentioned it is not just about chain life, it is about not having to clean the chain every week (or multiple times a week this time of year). Good chain maintenence will always improve chain life wheterh usig lube or oil. Lube doesn't stay on a chain when riding through a rainstorm for an hour with the oiler you just push a button/pull a lever for some extra chain maintenence while you ride. But most auto oiler topics end in oiler versus lube debate and by looking at the topic title the OP asked to keep that out of this thread.

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Oct 6 2009, 03:58 PM, said:

Is this yours? If not, who? I would love to know more. Thanks!
No not mine and I do not have any contact info on the guy who made it. I do have another pic though ;)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9546/img1227cd5.jpg
All I know is it has a little hole in the bottom through which the oil is able to escape and it did reduce the amount of fling off getting on the bike. I was thinking of making something similar as the hugger/chainguard I have on my VFR right now is shorter than stock and doesn't cover the rear sprocket at all.
#50
You Note a critical issue with all this chain maintenance in the North. People in the deep south dont deal with salt and ice melting chemicals, I guess that makes it easier.

The Motorex 622 green holds up very well in all day rain and I had very marginal wear on cs at 53,000 mile , the real issue is all the road grit that needs to be cleaned off because of rain. For you its a push of a button or automatic, For me its a quick wd spray with a rag, not too bad at end of the day .

I have enjoyed the thread and sorry if viewed as a debate, I'm just seeing if all this money and time getting the oilers to function well is worth the effort.


http://i136.photobuc...t73/ironpig.jpg
#52
Has anyone been able to get a hold of Pablo at Pro-Oiler recently? I've sent a couple messages from the contact form on the Pro-Oiler website over the last couple weeks but haven't recieved a response yet.
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