First Offical 1200 V4

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/hond...2009-unveiling/


http://www.dancewithshadows.com/motor/2010...hotos-revealed/

You're killing me, man :mad:
Here goes my last good kidney. :laugh:

Although, there's hope for us yet:

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Source: MCN

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What? The other 2 threads with ridiculous high post counts with all these links wasn't enough? :goofy:

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"2010 Honda VFR 1200 V4 side photo"

LOL.

I can't believe they are still doing bad artist renderings when there are pictures of the actual bike floating around for over a month.

:schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15: :schla15:

The links are from 20th June and 2nd July respectively. Old news. Theres six of us reading the topic as I write, though...

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on Aug 18 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

The links are from 20th June and 2nd July respectively. Old news. Theres six of us reading the topic as I write, though...
If you post it, they will come! :warranty:

[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Aug 18 2009, 05:07 PM, said:

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"2010 Honda VFR 1200 V4 side photo"

LOL.

Doesn't that say "Fire" on the side?

Does anyone really want a 4 cylinder bike running on two cylinders part of the time....if it's true???...... :laugh:

I think I'll stick with my real VFR.... :cool:

I would agree that one does not know a 100% ,but I'll bet that this is darn close.The local Honda dealer seemed to think so,time will tell though I tend to believe this will happen.Each to there own. :blush:

[image: View Post]motogpfan, on Aug 18 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

I would agree that one does not know a 100% ,but I'll bet that this is darn close.The local Honda dealer seemed to think so,time will tell though I tend to believe this will happen.Each to there own. :blush:

If you check the other threads, there are actual spy photos of the finished bike being tested by Honda.

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I can't believe I clicked on this post.

[image: View Post]JBAXX, on Aug 18 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

I can't believe I clicked on this post.

You aren't the only one with that feeling...

[image: View Post]Bent, on Aug 18 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

Does anyone really want a 4 cylinder bike running on two cylinders part of the time....if it's true???...... :laugh:

I think I'll stick with my real VFR.... :cool:


Does anyone really not want to get better mpg when just cruising along and extra power is not needed?

[image: View Post]Bent, on Aug 18 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

Does anyone really want a 4 cylinder bike running on two cylinders part of the time....if it's true???......

Nope... if I wanted a bike to run on part of it's cylinders part of the time... I'd just borrow Big E's chopper...


Honda will need a new Acronym to go along with VTEC (Vascillating Torque Engine Compartment)

VCPT Vanishing Cylinders Part Time...

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[image: View Post]swimmer, on Aug 18 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

Does anyone really not want to get better mpg when just cruising along and extra power is not needed?


Not at the expense of dropping cylinders. I don`t really give a sh!t about fuel economy on a motorcycle...or this thread...or VTEC...

Fuuuuuugly. Hope the real thing looks better and doesn't shut down cylinders with out my permission. What's next voice activated steering? I'll wait and see.

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 19 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Nope... if I wanted a bike to run on part of it's cylinders part of the time... I'd just borrow Big E's chopper...


Honda will need a new Acronym to go along with VTEC (Vascillating Torque Engine Compartment)

VCPT Vanishing Cylinders Part Time...

Sheesh you boys are such die-hards. First it was you never being able to let go of the gear driven cams, now it's all the new stuff on the 1200.

You sound like a bunch of old men with their pants up past they shoulders, bleating about "the good old days" while playing checkers or something.

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Aug 19 2009, 06:14 AM, said:

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 19 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Nope... if I wanted a bike to run on part of it's cylinders part of the time... I'd just borrow Big E's chopper...


Honda will need a new Acronym to go along with VTEC (Vascillating Torque Engine Compartment)

VCPT Vanishing Cylinders Part Time...

Sheesh you boys are such die-hards. First it was you never being able to let go of the gear driven cams, now it's all the new stuff on the 1200.

You sound like a bunch of old men with their pants up past they shoulders, bleating about "the good old days" while playing checkers or something.


I can't speak for anyone else, but my aversion to all of Honda's new tech in this bike, as well as recent VFRs, is that they don't do anything to improve performance. They just add complexity, weight, and stuff to go wrong. Honda can't even produce a cam chain tensioner that lasts, or a wire harness that doesn't melt down.

I will gladly welcome new technology that works and increases performance.

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Aug 19 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 19 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Nope... if I wanted a bike to run on part of it's cylinders part of the time... I'd just borrow Big E's chopper...


Honda will need a new Acronym to go along with VTEC (Vascillating Torque Engine Compartment)

VCPT Vanishing Cylinders Part Time...

Sheesh you boys are such die-hards. First it was you never being able to let go of the gear driven cams, now it's all the new stuff on the 1200.

You sound like a bunch of old men with their pants up past they shoulders, bleating about "the good old days" while playing checkers or something.



My lawn. Get off it.

SHAFT FREKIN DRIVE! YOU GOTTA BE KIDING ME! MIGHT AS WELL BUY A BEEMER!

Well since we are all making fun of MCN........ :biggrin: :biggrin:

Here is one from July 26/09 posted on Top Speed

however you can see there is no SSSA, and looks more like a ST1300 than a VFR... Where the others look like a CBR with shaft drive

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[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Aug 19 2009, 08:54 AM, said:

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Aug 19 2009, 06:14 AM, said:

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 19 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Nope... if I wanted a bike to run on part of it's cylinders part of the time... I'd just borrow Big E's chopper...


Honda will need a new Acronym to go along with VTEC (Vascillating Torque Engine Compartment)

VCPT Vanishing Cylinders Part Time...

Sheesh you boys are such die-hards. First it was you never being able to let go of the gear driven cams, now it's all the new stuff on the 1200.

You sound like a bunch of old men with their pants up past they shoulders, bleating about "the good old days" while playing checkers or something.


I can't speak for anyone else, but my aversion to all of Honda's new tech in this bike, as well as recent VFRs, is that they don't do anything to improve performance. They just add complexity, weight, and stuff to go wrong. Honda can't even produce a cam chain tensioner that lasts, or a wire harness that doesn't melt down.

I will gladly welcome new technology that works and increases performance.



:+1: :+1: :+1:

I could not of said it better.

[image: View Post]dweese, on Aug 19 2009, 09:30 AM, said:

Well since we are all making fun of MCN........ :biggrin: :biggrin:
Here is one from July 26/09 posted on Top Speed

I like how if you follow that link, it has several different photochoppings of the "new" VFR given at different times.

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Aug 19 2009, 02:14 AM, said:

Sheesh you boys are such die-hards. First it was you never being able to let go of the gear driven cams, now it's all the new stuff on the 1200.

You sound like a bunch of old men with their pants up past they shoulders, bleating about "the good old days" while playing checkers or something.

Which is it... are we boys or old men???

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Aug 19 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Aug 19 2009, 02:14 AM, said:

Sheesh you boys are such die-hards. First it was you never being able to let go of the gear driven cams, now it's all the new stuff on the 1200.

You sound like a bunch of old men with their pants up past they shoulders, bleating about "the good old days" while playing checkers or something.

Which is it... are we boys or old men???


I firmly believe age is a frame of mind!!! When we stop living life like we want to, we get old, and if you do what you really love in life, it helps keep you young. Although I will say that with age comes experience!!!

[image: View Post]HighSpeedWobble, on Aug 19 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

SHAFT FREKIN DRIVE! YOU GOTTA BE KIDING ME! MIGHT AS WELL BUY A BEEMER!

I think Honda's market for this bike is Sport Touring, so a shaft would be appropriate. Along with other changes I think they are moving in the right direction for riders like myself. If you want a high performance no compromise bike, why not just get the CBR or a Ducati etc.

Well Honda also offers this.........

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...and this.......

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...just in case the New 1200 VFR Shafter doesn't do it for Ya'......... :491:

...OK, yeah, I'm outa' here before the angry mob forms........ :beer: :goofy:

[image: View Post]skuuter trash, on Aug 19 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Well Honda also offers this.........

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...and this.......

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...just in case the New 1200 VFR Shafter doesn't do it for Ya'......... :491:

...OK, yeah, I'm outa' here before the angry mob forms........ :beer: :goofy:

no need to rush to form a mob....i know where you live. :laugh:

[image: View Post]rc36Honda, on Sep 19 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

Yeah, but before everybody does the crybaby, I'm guessing that this is the ST replacement (it was posted on the ST forum, d'uh). We haven't yet seen the VFR version.

Doesn't look too bad to me, anyway. And the rear view looks like they might have made the fugly exhaust look a bit better? Or am I only hoping?

It was post on sport-touring.net, not the ST forum. This will be the new VFR. When I look at this motorcycle and then look at my VFR with side cases I'm not seeing where one could be called a VFR and the other should not.

[image: View Post]rc36Honda, on Sep 19 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

Yeah, but before everybody does the crybaby, I'm guessing that this is the ST replacement (it was posted on the ST forum, d'uh). We haven't yet seen the VFR version.

Doesn't look too bad to me, anyway. And the rear view looks like they might have made the fugly exhaust look a bit better? Or am I only hoping?

This is the vfr / blackbird replacement, no doubt about it. The ST version is... well... quite unattractive. It has some kind of air bag / crash protection built into the front of the bike. It makes the lower part of the nose stick out obscenely... it doesn't look normal.

And if those mirrors are actually some kind of gross chrome plastic crap, paint em :) replace em with some other mirrors? That's not a show stopper imho ;)

[image: View Post]swimmer, on Sep 20 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

[image: View Post]rc36Honda, on Sep 19 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

Yeah, but before everybody does the crybaby, I'm guessing that this is the ST replacement (it was posted on the ST forum, d'uh). We haven't yet seen the VFR version.

Doesn't look too bad to me, anyway. And the rear view looks like they might have made the fugly exhaust look a bit better? Or am I only hoping?

It was post on sport-touring.net, not the ST forum. This will be the new VFR. When I look at this motorcycle and then look at my VFR with side cases I'm not seeing where one could be called a VFR and the other should not.

Hehehe yeah, how about we save all the caterwauling until some specs/performance data is available... If it goes a lot better than it looks then so does the CBR remember :biggrin:

As for what this is, I guess a lot depends on whether they are going to offer the ST version with full manual gearbox option. Because yes, that is a clutch lever hanging off the left hand bar end. If they're not, then I suppose it's the 'sport' version. Whatever the case it looks like you'll at least have the option of factory hard bags on the (hopefully significantly less expensive) manual version.

[image: View Post]vfr03silver, on Sep 19 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

And if those mirrors are actually some kind of gross chrome plastic crap, paint em :) replace em with some other mirrors? That's not a show stopper imho ;)
Yeah, maybe we should start a new thread, 7th gen modifications? Anyone know what other mirrors mount up? When are Lobster's extenders going to be available?

:biggrin:

Hopefully they make a sporting variant ("R" model?) in addition to what looks like the ST model pictures here.

While I like the creature comforts (I'm not 18 anymore you know) I also want something that'll corner reasonably like a sportbike when I get to the fun roads.

[image: View Post]veefer800canuck, on Sep 20 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

Hopefully they make a sporting variant ("R" model?) in addition to what looks like the ST model pictures here.

While I like the creature comforts (I'm not 18 anymore you know) I also want something that'll corner reasonably like a sportbike when I get to the fun roads.

Honda has stated that the new VFR is only the "tip of the iceburg" and that we should expect to see a whole generation of v4 machines, similar to what the fireblade started in 1992.. This will likely include more sport oriented machines. They've publically stated that they want to take the company in a more V4 oriented direction. The moment they release a V4 superbike, I am *there* with money in hand. No contest. A V4 600cc SS would make my day.

Not sure if this link is a re-post but I have not seen these picture before today:

More VFR pics

Or perhaps they are so old I don't remember.......

[image: View Post]Q-Dawg, on Sep 20 2009, 03:25 PM, said:

Or perhaps they are so old I don't remember.......


Sorry, but...yes. ;p

So, did I read correctly that the 800 will only be phased out? In other words I will still be able to get one?

I have waited and waited for a new VFR, hoping for a 900 or 1000. I am dissappointed. I do not need 200hp or 1200cc's. I ride in the city so want the smaller bike.

So I guess I either replace my existing bike or look elsewhere. I wonder what those new bmw's are like?

[image: View Post]Branan, on Sep 21 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

So, did I read correctly that the 800 will only be phased out? In other words I will still be able to get one?

I have waited and waited for a new VFR, hoping for a 900 or 1000. I am dissappointed. I do not need 200hp or 1200cc's. I ride in the city so want the smaller bike.

So I guess I either replace my existing bike or look elsewhere. I wonder what those new bmw's are like?

No one knows yet. It's still rumor, spy pics, and marketing hype.

Regardless of what they bring, I'm sure you will still be able to get a new sixth gen 800 for another year or two at least. The dealers are still trying to move the 2007 models today. When/if the new one arrives, they'll be clearing the sixth gen for some time. You'll have plenty of chance to decide whether the new bike suits you, or whether to grab one of the remaining sixth gens at a killer price.

Many pics with saddle bags mounted really gives the signal where the pendulum had swung more towards touring instead of the sport side of ST that the VFR had occupied mostly in the past as a motorcycle type. That said, the sport side weighted guys are understandably dissapointed while the touring side are cheering . That's all that's happening here. quite predictable and no one should be surprised or taken aback or puzzled by the reactions.
In the days of the 3rd and 4th gens, saddlebags were considered more of an option that some sometimes considered. Now it seems like Honda designed the bike with them in mind from the first day on the CAD computer screens.
"T" guys are happy, "S" guys are dissapointed.
To be frank. in my case, I always hoped that the VFR employed more NR750 genes instead of ST1300's...sooo I guess I'm justifyably dissapointed with what I see so far.

Beck
95 VFR

[image: View Post]Kestrel, on Sep 20 2009, 11:39 AM, said:

Honda has stated that the new VFR is only the "tip of the iceburg" and that we should expect to see a whole generation of v4 machines, similar to what the fireblade started in 1992.. This will likely include more sport oriented machines. They've publically stated that they want to take the company in a more V4 oriented direction. The moment they release a V4 superbike, I am *there* with money in hand. No contest. A V4 600cc SS would make my day.


Amen... I got to preach the V4 gospel to Paul Venture and Matt Cardenas who are employed at Honda
R&D research analyst motorcycle research product planning... they didn't really get what I was saying
about V4s but they did agree to visit the BLS someday and take a spin on Mr.RC45 to better
understand the passion for V4s... however we did discuss cost figures... according to Paul and Matt
Honda can make 600 I4s for 11K whereas an 600 V4 would cost 17K... I challenged them to get it
down to 14K and then my voice gave out...

Paul Venture was fun...
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Matt Cardenas had that cold corporate stare going for him...
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[image: View Post]Branan, on Sep 22 2009, 05:35 AM, said:

I have waited and waited for a new VFR, hoping for a 900 or 1000. I am dissappointed. I do not need 200hp or 1200cc's. I ride in the city so want the smaller bike.
It has VCM so you get your smaller bike for commuting and big bike for warp speed.

[image: View Post]Beck, on Sep 22 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

Many pics with saddle bags mounted really gives the signal where the pendulum had swung more towards touring instead of the sport side of ST that the VFR had occupied mostly in the past as a motorcycle type.
I've seen pics of three VFRs and only one of them had saddle bags. Also it is not just the looks that makes it a sport bike but it's performance. From the pics it seems Honda has upped the suspension with USD boingers, hopefully they can be tweaked like Fireblade forks, not just spring preload. The power to weight ratio is likely better than that of any other VFR. It looks like it has a shorter wheelbase than a blackbird, so no, I am not convinced this VFR has become more of a tourer. Of all gens VFR I think the 6th gen has the most sportbike feel yet it is the only one that has factory saddle bags.

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Sep 22 2009, 04:31 AM, said:

Amen... I got to preach the V4 gospel to Paul Venture and Matt Cardenas who are employed at Honda
R&D research analyst motorcycle research product planning... they didn't really get what I was saying
about V4s but they did agree to visit the BLS someday and take a spin on Mr.RC45 to better
understand the passion for V4s... however we did discuss cost figures... according to Paul and Matt
Honda can make 600 I4s for 11K whereas an 600 V4 would cost 17K... I challenged them to get it
down to 14K and then my voice gave out...

You don't say?

http://www.vfrdiscus...showtopic=53852

I posted that article in the VFR Info section... It's a fantastic piece from BIKE detailing how the V4 is built, the science behind the engine, and a little about why costs are so high. Gear driven cams, while sounding great, really added to the cost of the bike. A V4, of course, has two heads, two sets of camshafts, a more elaborate exhaust system etc etc etc... It does indeed cost a little more...

But honestly - 6k more? Seriously? A lot of the cost reductions in designing and making an inline 4 have come from the fact that, of course, that's where Honda has put their money. If you put more R&D into something, of course it is going to come out cheaper in the long run as your process becomes more efficient.

May I ask when it was that you spoke with those two gents? How long ago was that? Prior to all this new VFR stuff, or more recently?

[image: View Post]Kestrel, on Sep 22 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

[image: View Post]BusyLittleShop, on Sep 22 2009, 04:31 AM, said:

Honda can make 600 I4s for 11K whereas an 600 V4 would cost 17K

But honestly - 6k more?

That's only $10 per unit difference, I wonder what that figure inflates to by the time it makes all the way to MSRP?

3-5 gens just became more valuable. I'd stock up on anything gear driven...

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Sep 21 2009, 10:59 PM, said:

No one knows yet. It's still rumor, spy pics, and marketing hype.

Regardless of what they bring, I'm sure you will still be able to get a new sixth gen 800 for another year or two at least. The dealers are still trying to move the 2007 models today. When/if the new one arrives, they'll be clearing the sixth gen for some time. You'll have plenty of chance to decide whether the new bike suits you, or whether to grab one of the remaining sixth gens at a killer price.

[image: View Post]Kestrel, on Sep 22 2009, 07:48 AM, said:

May I ask when it was that you spoke with those two gents? How long ago was that? Prior to all this new VFR stuff, or more recently?

I discoverd the two gents admiring Mr.RC45 on Cannery Row at the Laguna Seca round of MotoGp... July
4th 09... and for a hour and a half I preached race bred V4s... not VFRs...

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[image: View Post]Beck, on Sep 22 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

Many pics with saddle bags mounted really gives the signal where the pendulum had swung more towards touring instead of the sport side of ST that the VFR had occupied mostly in the past as a motorcycle type.
Maybe.
However (but!) it may be just like the 6th Gen that has allowance made for saddle bags in the form of brackets being already present. I bet they tested that too in pre-production form with Honda sidecases mounted, just to make sure there weren't any adverse handling effects they needed to engineer out.

http://feelv4.com/en_GB/pages/mainpage/url...cr:E06/ln:en_GB

This was just updated on 9/25 discussing the chassis and behavoir of new 1200

So they are going to kill off the 800 size?

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With the added displacement, the new V4 will take on the likes of the Hayabusa and ZX-14R, while Honda phases out the 800cc VFR and CBR1100xx.

Sad...

[image: View Post]TripleH, on Sep 29 2009, 10:39 AM, said:

So they are going to kill off the 800 size?

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With the added displacement, the new V4 will take on the likes of the Hayabusa and ZX-14R, while Honda phases out the 800cc VFR and CBR1100xx.

Sad...



Still remains to be seen. Remember, Honda's GP bikes are V4 800's so there is a racing/marketing connection there. It's all speculation, but I could see an 800cc V4 race replica happening at some point in the future.

[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Aug 18 2009, 06:38 PM, said:

If you check the other threads, there are actual spy photos of the finished bike being tested by Honda.

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On a slight tangent, Honda does not provide for protective gear? Looks like the rider will not have much between his/her skeleton and the asphalt :-)

[image: View Post]GutsyGibbon, on Sep 30 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

[image: View Post]jeremy556, on Aug 18 2009, 06:38 PM, said:

If you check the other threads, there are actual spy photos of the finished bike being tested by Honda.

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On a slight tangent, Honda does not provide for protective gear? Looks like the rider will not have much between his/her skeleton and the asphalt :-)

Worse than that, look at those locked elbows. I'm guessing this guy is an engineer of some sort and not a professional test rider.

I'd agree, I think these guys drew the short straw for repetitive back-forth hot weather testing... not a plumb test riders job!