Vfr 1200. 1st Road Shots..

OH YES...

http://www.motoblog.it/post/20739/le-foto-...sso-per-le-alpi

Wow. Glad we've actually found some real photos. I like it. Looks great!

I know. It looks great. It'll look even better when i get the keys to it!! :biggrin:

REPOST!!

Looks way too much like the BMW K1300 S.

[image: View Post]rc36Honda, on Sep 20 2009, 08:06 AM, said:

REPOST!!

You sure about that?

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[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Sep 20 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Looks way too much like the BMW K1300 S.
whats wrong with that?

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[image: View Post]rc36Honda, on Sep 20 2009, 08:06 AM, said:

REPOST!!

You sure about that?

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See?

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[image: View Post]mellowyellow, on Sep 20 2009, 08:56 AM, said:

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Sep 20 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Looks way too much like the BMW K1300 S.
whats wrong with that?



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


what is the expected reveal date?
I need to make plans.

It does look bigger than the 6th gen in the pictures. But camera is notorious for adding pounds.
No matter. A bigger bike will probably be a better fit for my new, more sedate riding style.

BEAUTY!

I think it was said somewhere that Honda didn't listen to what we asked for. Well;

- many of us tired of lubing chain - DRIVESHAFT
- many of us wanted more torque - 1200cc
- many wanted new bike to have OEM sidebags - check
- many wanted kinder, gentler ergos - check (see photo)
- some wanted clutchless shifting - check
- most wanted better fuel economy - check
- some wanted improved wind protection - TBD but that front end looks pretty substantial
- some wanted even better linked brakes - TBD if the brake by wire is available
- all wanted to keep V4 - check
- most want bike no heavier than 6th gen - TBD
- pretty well everyone wanted an all-rounder, not a 'focussed' sportbike - check

I could go on, but you get the point, Honda DOES listen.

The One thing that I have not heard/read about is 'active suspension' ala BMW (which receives raves reviews for it's convenience and usefulness). Maybe they're saving that for the 8th gen... :biggrin:

BI

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Sep 20 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Looks way too much like the BMW K1300 S.

Can't really agree with you there, but looks are one thing, handling another.

I hope it DOESN'T handle like the K series, those things have a seriously long wheel-base. I demo rode two versions of the K bikes and when I rode home on my 6th gen it flicked around like a 400lb CBR compared to the K1200S.

BI

I'd say that it looks just Ok. Reminds me of a Cylon(Battlestar Galactica). I think it's time to retire the VFR name anyway. It's a shame that thing is tied to what used to win superbike races with Rainey and Shobert on board. Remember when the CBX got saddlebags, sad day indeed. Looks like it will make some here very happy though.

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Sep 20 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

Looks way too much like the BMW K1300 S.
you know in sport rider this month that bmw put the smack down on the high and mighty busa

[image: View Post]Kel, on Sep 20 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

I'd say that it looks just Ok. Reminds me of a Cylon(Battlestar Galactica). I think it's time to retire the VFR name anyway. It's a shame that thing is tied to what used to win superbike races with Rainey and Shobert on board. Remember when the CBX got saddlebags, sad day indeed. Looks like it will make some here very happy though.
Agree,
Seems like they took the sport out of the VFR so much that it's now really the new ST1100/1300. A V4 engine is not all that made up a VFR and saddlebags and touring capabilities were never really a requirement for what I think were aa good part of VFR owners that includes me. The new Aprilia and the new BMW sportbike are really looking good to me now!
Was chain drive ever a probelm to most of us?? Did we really need a much bigger/taller faring?? Modular engine?? BMWesque styling?? 1200ccs??
Someone just go and get a BMW GT to get most of this. Why water down the VFR DNA so much and leave half the VFR following dissapointed??
I guess it's a moot point now, it's happening.......... :(

Beck
95 VFR

[image: View Post]motorhead1977, on Sep 20 2009, 11:12 PM, said:

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Actually I think the BMW looks a lot sportier than the VFR!

But I'm with Rice, I'll wait and see how it grabs me in the showroom before I decide what I think of its looks. I remember when the slab-sided 900SS Ducati was replaced by the curvy one - when I saw photos I thought "dingo!" (that's Aussie for 'a bit of a dog to look at') but when I saw one in the metal I was quite taken by it.

For what it is worth, the camera is definitely adding a few pounds to it. Compare that to the desert photos and I believe the red colors make it look a quite a bit more porkly.

Remember this photograph?

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When you compare the two after that... It really is the angles that many it look *much* larger.

Also, Honda stated the following..

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First V4s just the 'tip of the iceberg'
The first V4s - the sports-tourer and Pan European/Blackbird-replacement scooped by MCN - are 'just the tip of the iceberg' according to project engineers. Hinting that V4 power will be at the heart of a generation of machines from Honda, MCN's Japanese source revealed the firm is working on a dynasty to overshadow even that of the iconic Fireblade.

"When we first launched the Fireblade in 1992 we had a plan that stretched as far into the future as the 954cc version of 2002. It's the same with the V4s. There are many branches to the family."

Taken from http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/new...s-a-triple-too/

Straight from the engineers... If that's the case, then I have the feeling we're going to see an entirely new generation of V4 based bikes from Honda. Perhaps we really will get that V4 600cc supersport many of us have been lusting after for so long. I'd line up in an instant and buy one. It's been what I've been waiting for after so many years, too.

I think I like it but gotta admit I'm scared of all that's going on in it...

[image: View Post]Kestrel, on Sep 20 2009, 11:40 AM, said:

For what it is worth, the camera is definitely adding a few pounds to it. Compare that to the desert photos and I believe the red colors make it look a quite a bit more porkly.

Remember this photograph?

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When you compare the two after that... It really is the angles that many it look *much* larger.

Also, Honda stated the following..

Quote

First V4s just the 'tip of the iceberg'
The first V4s - the sports-tourer and Pan European/Blackbird-replacement scooped by MCN - are 'just the tip of the iceberg' according to project engineers. Hinting that V4 power will be at the heart of a generation of machines from Honda, MCN's Japanese source revealed the firm is working on a dynasty to overshadow even that of the iconic Fireblade.

"When we first launched the Fireblade in 1992 we had a plan that stretched as far into the future as the 954cc version of 2002. It's the same with the V4s. There are many branches to the family."

Taken from http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/new...s-a-triple-too/

Straight from the engineers... If that's the case, then I have the feeling we're going to see an entirely new generation of V4 based bikes from Honda. Perhaps we really will get that V4 600cc supersport many of us have been lusting after for so long. I'd line up in an instant and buy one. It's been what I've been waiting for after so many years, too.

+ it had the bags on it too...that also makes in look bigger

I wonder how deep a buyers pockets have to be to buy this high tech bike? Im guessing it will be in the same price range as the Yamaha FJR.

[image: View Post]DDO-VFR, on Sep 20 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

BEAUTY!

I think it was said somewhere that Honda didn't listen to what we asked for. Well;

- many of us tired of lubing chain - DRIVESHAFT
- many of us wanted more torque - 1200cc
- many wanted new bike to have OEM sidebags - check
- many wanted kinder, gentler ergos - check (see photo)
- some wanted clutchless shifting - check
- most wanted better fuel economy - check
- some wanted improved wind protection - TBD but that front end looks pretty substantial
- some wanted even better linked brakes - TBD if the brake by wire is available
- all wanted to keep V4 - check
- most want bike no heavier than 6th gen - TBD
- pretty well everyone wanted an all-rounder, not a 'focussed' sportbike - check

I could go on, but you get the point, Honda DOES listen.

The One thing that I have not heard/read about is 'active suspension' ala BMW (which receives raves reviews for it's convenience and usefulness). Maybe they're saving that for the 8th gen... :biggrin:

BI
The ST1300 has been around for a long time...

I think the K looks sportier also. If Honda really was listening they would give us a VFR RR and a VFR ST.

I'm sure it'll be a great bike but it doesn't exactly thrill me with its looks. I suspect it will be in competition with the FJR and C14 perhaps? Hope they don't release it in the UK and then make everyone in the US get on a waiting list like Yamaha did with the FJR.

I will reserve judgement till I saw one in the flesh and test rode one..... :biggrin:

I don't see this bike competing with EITHER the FJR nor the Connie 14. Those bikes are MUCH, MUCH larger than the VFR. Compare the FJR1300 side profile shot to the VFR, and it is quite easy to see that the viffer is a much smaller motorcycle.

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The VFR is probably going to stay close to the size it is right now. If they can keep the weight the *same* or less as the previous generation VFR, it is going to absolutely rock as an all around very sport oriented touring bike, a la gentleman's express.

Oh well, I'll be keeping my 6th gen for now, then trading later on something else, but not this new thing. If I wanted shaft drive, factory bags, etc, etc I would have kept my ST1300 or went with a BMW. What I have been wanting and still want is a capable sport bike made for an adult that likes to ride longer and more comfy than a CBR allows. The VFR does that great, although it is down in the power department from what I personally would like. Long legs and years in the dirt (broekn parts) mean I cannot physically ride a CBR for more than a half hour at a time.

Oh well, maybe someday somewhere I can test ride one and then be able to say for sure, but at this point it does not interest me.

Just my thoughts,
George

Ya looks like a Beemer,
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K1200
too classy for a VFR.My 95 750 had that Italian/NR look that just hasn't been able to be re-captured since

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NR750

[image: View Post]Kestrel, on Sep 20 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

I don't see this bike competing with EITHER the FJR nor the Connie 14. Those bikes are MUCH, MUCH larger than the VFR. Compare the FJR1300 side profile shot to the VFR, and it is quite easy to see that the viffer is a much smaller motorcycle.

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The VFR is probably going to stay close to the size it is right now. If they can keep the weight the *same* or less as the previous generation VFR, it is going to absolutely rock as an all around very sport oriented touring bike, a la gentleman's express.
I hope you're right.
Everything that I have seen so far seems to support what you've said.
If true, It would be exactly what I would want in a bike.
Now, about the price... That's the big question for me.
Let's hope H finds a way to keep it reasonable (read under 12K).

UGLY!

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It does look bigger than the 6th gen in the pictures. But camera is notorious for adding pounds.
No matter. A bigger bike will probably be a better fit for my new, more sedate riding style.
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Any bike looks big with Pedrosa on it! :biggrin:
I'll hold my judgment till I see it in person. I thought the 6th Gen was ugly when it came out but like it now!

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Sep 20 2009, 08:55 AM, said:

[image: View Post]rc36Honda, on Sep 20 2009, 08:06 AM, said:

REPOST!!

You sure about that?

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Mmm, wineberry! :dry: I certainly hope they spin the color wheel for the introduction.

[image: View Post]bryan217, on Oct 6 2009, 07:29 PM, said:

I'll have to check this out when I get to work. I don't fire up the computer at home in the morning. I just wait till I get to my desk. For once it pays to live on the East Coast. I won't have to wake up at some ungodly hour to see it.
Or .... you can live on the west coast, sleep in, get up, have some Spam ' Ham, turn on the 'pooter, and then start viewing the Honda web site .... j-u-u-s-s-t-t-t after they're rebooted it after the east coast crashed it.

It's all about *timing.* <grin>

[image: View Post]bryan217, on Oct 6 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

I'll have to check this out when I get to work. I don't fire up the computer at home in the morning. I just wait till I get to my desk. For once it pays to live on the East Coast. I won't have to wake up at some ungodly hour to see it.

6 or 7 am (whichever it is) is NOT an unGodly hour?! I think we are on vastly different schedules (which might also explain why I'm posting this at 3 AM...)

It will be 9pm on the nose here. A lovely time to sit down with a beer and drool!

24 hours, baby!

Hahaha, at first they had announced the raising of the curtain for today at 12:00 GMT but two days ago they set it back to Thursday...

WELL FOLKS, THEY GOT IT WRONG... THE PHOTOS ARE ON-LINE HERE

��WOW!!

god help me, I've been rik rolled. Again

<--- Hands out the torches and pitch forks

got me too...

[image: View Post]Ryanme17, on Oct 7 2009, 02:56 AM, said:

[image: View Post]bryan217, on Oct 6 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

I'll have to check this out when I get to work. I don't fire up the computer at home in the morning. I just wait till I get to my desk. For once it pays to live on the East Coast. I won't have to wake up at some ungodly hour to see it.

6 or 7 am (whichever it is) is NOT an unGodly hour?! I think we are on vastly different schedules (which might also explain why I'm posting this at 3 AM...)



I guess we are. I've got to be in work at 8:30. I don't have the luxury of being up at 3 AM. :schla15:

[image: View Post]timmythecop, on Oct 7 2009, 08:06 AM, said:

god help me, I've been rik rolled. Again
:laugh:

Under 24 hours to go. There's still time for hell to freeze over. ;)

[image: View Post]timmythecop, on Oct 7 2009, 05:06 AM, said:

god help me, I've been rik rolled. Again
<LOL!> I am definately going to bookmark that puppy. I have some mates owe some "favors" to .... <grin>

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Sep 22 2009, 01:35 AM, said:

[image: View Post]Kestrel, on Sep 21 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

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I sure hope the camera height is off as you mentioned, because those rider pegs are qutie a bit lower!



This has been an itch I've been wanting to scratch ever since you pointed that out Seb...

So, armed with some side-on photos of both the VFR1200F and the 6th gen VFR800 I did some comparo work... of course I couldn't find any photos in which the radii of the front rims were exactly the same scale... I also used the front rims to compare because the new VFR has a 190 rear but the same 120 front... I believe (correct me if I'm wrong).

I used the edge of the rim, not the bottom edge of the tyre, as a reference point as the tyres may differ and there is the compaction of the tyre under weight to keep in mind... the rim doesn't warp so easily :cool:

I had the following numbers (units don't matter, using rulers on photshop):

Radius V800: 2.95
Radius V1200: 2.05
So there's a difference in scale: the V12 front radius is 69,5% the V8's, both rims being equal in real life scale.

So then I "measure" the height of the peg from bottom of front rim (I used the point of union of rubber to metal on the footpeg, easily visualized):

V800: 3.75
V1200: 2.6
So... if the pegs are at the same height from the bottom edge of the front rim on both bikes... this latter ratio should give the same output as that for the radii: RESULT = 69,3%

The difference from 69.5 to 69.3 is totally negligible.

I did the same with the rear rim and got 68,3% for difference in rim and 71.4% for the scale difference in peg height... the difference here probably being due to the rear rims not being the same size (180:190). 180 is 94.74% of 190 and 68.3 is 95.66% of 71.4...

Anyway the more I look at the photos... the pegs on the new 1200 don't really seem to be any lower than the pegs on the 800, and the math seems to place them at the same height using the front rim as a guide...

WHAT IS REALLY DIFFERENT is the FEELER on the footpegs... the VTEC's feeler is GINORMOUS compared to the 1200's... so I reckon people won't be removing the feelers on the 1200 and yet won't be scraping them either...

(Escape clause: I have really gone out on a limb here as has already been mentioned... the angle the photos were taken from is crucial to any comparo).

Just using your eye... the footpegs on both the 800 and 1200 seem to be just above the centre of the rear wheels...

In fact this post really only (scientifically) proves just how bored I am couped up in bed with a major case of lumbago (and no, that isn't a Caribbean Coctail).

:blink: :blink: :blink:

(I do hereby apologize to those who feel I've wasted their time)

[image: View Post]Auspa�ol, on Oct 7 2009, 08:01 AM, said:

Hahaha, at first they had announced the raising of the curtain for today at 12:00 GMT but two days ago they set it back to Thursday...

WELL FOLKS, THEY GOT IT WRONG... THE PHOTOS ARE ON-LINE HERE

��WOW!!

I must reply in kind. HERE

So what is this button on the front side of the switchgear? This pic is from the Honda press package. I'd say it's the dual clutch auto model, but it has a normal hydraulic clutch? Is it something for the Euro market?

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[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 11 2009, 09:06 PM, said:

So what is this button on the front side of the switchgear? This pic is from the Honda press package. I'd say it's the dual clutch auto model, but it has a normal hydraulic clutch? Is it something for the Euro market?

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I think it's the flash-to-pass trigger switch..... :rolleyes:
If that's anything related to their new fangled auto transmissions, they would certainly let you know with a nice label on the switchpod...........cause they do it even for the.....uhhmmm.......flash-to-pass trigger switch as we can see in the pic......
I notice the H.I.S.S. security system logo on the ignition switch area. I'm wondering if Honda will finally include that on US bikes.
Hmmmm......different clutch reservoir shape, I wonder if they also uprated the front brake master cylinder on the other side to be of the radial type to go with the radial mounted front disk brake calipers.

Beck
95 VFR

bikeland.org was one of the press teams at the release last Wednesday in Torrance, CA where they got to take pictures and video of the bike. It looks like the bike does have rebound adjustability in the forks. No idea why that isn't mentioned in the specs but it's definitely there on this bike.

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You can see it in the video "Take a Closer Look at the 2010 VFR1200F" also. http://www.bikeland....=50464#pictures

[image: View Post]Beck, on Oct 11 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

I think it's the flash-to-pass trigger switch..... :rolleyes:
If that's anything related to their new fangled auto transmissions, they would certainly let you know with a nice label on the switchpod...........cause they do it even for the.....uhhmmm.......flash-to-pass trigger switch as we can see in the pic......
I notice the H.I.S.S. security system logo on the ignition switch area. I'm wondering if Honda will finally include that on US bikes.
Hmmmm......different clutch reservoir shape, I wonder if they also uprated the front brake master cylinder on the other side to be of the radial type to go with the radial mounted front disk brake calipers.

Beck
95 VFR
Ah, I thought the headlight switch was a 3 position switch but I see it's the label for the lever on the front. I don't think the brake master is a radial style.

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 11 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Beck, on Oct 11 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

I think it's the flash-to-pass trigger switch..... :rolleyes:
If that's anything related to their new fangled auto transmissions, they would certainly let you know with a nice label on the switchpod...........cause they do it even for the.....uhhmmm.......flash-to-pass trigger switch as we can see in the pic......
I notice the H.I.S.S. security system logo on the ignition switch area. I'm wondering if Honda will finally include that on US bikes.
Hmmmm......different clutch reservoir shape, I wonder if they also uprated the front brake master cylinder on the other side to be of the radial type to go with the radial mounted front disk brake calipers.

Beck
95 VFR
Ah, I thought the headlight switch was a 3 position switch but I see it's the label for the lever on the front. I don't think the brake master is a radial style.


Confirmed... it's a flasher �don't you get that over there?

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 11 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

bikeland.org was one of the press teams at the release last Wednesday in Torrance, CA where they got to take pictures and video of the bike. It looks like the bike does have rebound adjustability in the forks. No idea why that isn't mentioned in the specs but it's definitely there on this bike.

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You can see it in the video "Take a Closer Look at the 2010 VFR1200F" also. http://www.bikeland....=50464#pictures

Yeah I had exactly the same thought... why bother with USD forks and such if you're not going to add more adjustable factor like compression or rebound??

Reading it only had preload adjustment was something of a let-down....

no idea on the MC

Notice the cut out on the levers? Weight saving and more aerodynamic!! Hahahahaha

My co-worker was telling me that he actually saw the new VFR in person this past Friday. He was out taking his Aprilia for a spin on Highway 79 near San Diego. He was on Sunrise Highway (near Cuyamaca Rancho State Park) at about noon. He noticed some vans that were set up roadside, and passed a group of photographers and a red motorcycle. He caught enough of a glimpse to cause him to turn back around.

He questioned one of the photographers after the unmistakable new VFR revealed itself (he said he noticed the exhaust). Looked like a bunch of journalists and possible dealer staff getting a peek at the new bike. He said the staff members were totally cool and let him look at the bike, so long as he didn't take any photos. He was reminded of this as soon as he grabbed the camera out of his pocket. One of the people commented on his Aprilia Shiver, and he responded by asking if he let him ride the bike, could he get to ride the VFR? No ride- but it was worth asking. :)

He said a rider mounted the bike for a spin, but what spoiled the experience, is that there was a cruiser bike in accompaniment, and it drowned out the VFR's exhaust note so he really didn't get to hear the VFR.

It so awesome. The new VFR is finally here, and this time it isn't a bat boy story.

San Diego has seen a few intros in the past. I remember seeing some V-RODs in Descanco once......................before I knew what a V-ROD is.

I predict the guys that bought a VFR for a gentlemans sportbike usage will not appreciate the new gentleman's sportytourer. As we say. It is what it is. Some VFR guys felt the 6th gen was a step too far toward sport bike. VFRs have allways been about being the best all around street bike. The more I see of this bike on the road and actual photos the more I think it really is the next logical progression of the VFR. I don't think it will be as ponderous a package as the ST1300 and I certain it will out handle the 6th gen. Sorry but I think Honda may have gotten it right. Looks wise, it's hard to package perfect looks. I'll still have to see one in person to decide what I think of it.

[image: View Post]Auspa�ol, on Oct 11 2009, 09:41 PM, said:

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 11 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

[image: View Post]Beck, on Oct 11 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

I think it's the flash-to-pass trigger switch..... :rolleyes:
If that's anything related to their new fangled auto transmissions, they would certainly let you know with a nice label on the switchpod...........cause they do it even for the.....uhhmmm.......flash-to-pass trigger switch as we can see in the pic......
I notice the H.I.S.S. security system logo on the ignition switch area. I'm wondering if Honda will finally include that on US bikes.
Hmmmm......different clutch reservoir shape, I wonder if they also uprated the front brake master cylinder on the other side to be of the radial type to go with the radial mounted front disk brake calipers.

Beck
95 VFR
Ah, I thought the headlight switch was a 3 position switch but I see it's the label for the lever on the front. I don't think the brake master is a radial style.


Confirmed... it's a flasher �don't you get that over there?



No,....Honda of America thinks us US riders will just abuse the flash-to pass feature and kill someone with it on the road or something. They also avoid giving us H.I.S.S. security systems and the nice colors that most of the world gets on their fairings.......maybe because it might kill someone...or something (that's usually what everyone's afraid of over here in our over-litigiously paranoid country)??? Smells just like that "Death Panel" nonsense we've been hearing about lately, huh :rolleyes: ........

Beck
95 VFR - Can I take all those Honda warning stickers off my tank already??