List Of New Vfr Models

For those of you that don't know, Australian Motorcyle News (AMCN - no relation to MCN!!) is a very well written magazine and generally has extremely reliable information.

Here are some quotes from this fortnight's edition regarding the new V4 model range:

• The dual-clutch gearbox is expected to make it to Australia in the first model release as an optional extra
  
• The auto gearbox option will be called "DCAT", and will result in a wet weight of 278kg (11kg up from the manual version)
  
• Both heads on the VFR1200F use the Unicam technology, allowing 4-valve operation off a single cam
  
• Variable cylinder management (VCM) will only be implemented on the touring model
  
• The touring model will be called the VFR1200T and will use DOHC heads to allow the use of VTEC on all 4 valves, which in turn allows the use of VCM
  
• The VFR1200T will not be released until 2011
  
• The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011

I would say this is the best evidence there is no mystical super-sporty VFR model (personally: big deal).

Boooo!!! Wheres the VFR1200R ???? :(

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Apparently it only floats around in our dreams. By the time Honda builds me the VFR750RR that I want, I will have finished amassing the tools/materials & equipment I need to build my own, and I will be halfway done with it(just like my other projects... :rolleyes: ).

The SS photochop up there looks like it could be built from a 4th gen with CBR forks, 08 1000RR tail, custom tank, and MV Agusta wheels/Agusta race fairings... do a big bore on the motor and send the cams to Dave Dodge... maybe add a blower from a mini cooper... and a set of Gixxer/Blackbird/priller mirrors... It's just time & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, easy enough, right??

" * The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011"

Is this the answer to a question no one asked? It seems that way to me; why would an adventure dual-sport bike need this much motor? Sure they'll probably detune it a bit but come on. I have to assume they're using a much different frame and such, because I wouldn't want to take something this heavy out in the mud and dust, but then I guess the R1200GS isn't exactly a lightweight either.

Then again I bet this thing doesn't come to America anyway so it won't matter much to me personally, save for the fact that Honda burned development time and money on this and not some sort of RR-esque V4 bike using this new engine and nothing else from the new 1200F.

If guys are mad and think the VFR1200f isnt a VFR, then when the dual sport model VFR1200x comes out, they will have a baby. (actually a 2 headed love child from Britteny Spears)

Yeah, I heard that rumour too (as well as the VFR1000), but chose to spread the latter, wishful thinking I guess. While it might seem strange at first, the VFR1200X is not such a departure from reality if you consider it as the replacement for the Varadero which is available everywhere except the US. It would increase volume on the critical (read high cost) components such as motor, transmission and shaft drive. The Varadero is presently a 1000cc twin with chain drive, C-ABS, and all the OEM bags and such are available.

Oh well, we'll just have to learn how to ease off the throttle a bit, and make believe it's a VFR1000...yeah right! :biggrin:

BI

[image: View Post]AB-Oz, on Oct 15 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Boooo!!! Wheres the VFR1200R ???? :(

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Now that is a bike that stirs the soul and would excite me!!! Where can I put a deposit down on a beauty like that !!!

Is that a sneak preview of the bike that will roll out of SEB-CYCLES?

[image: View Post]pres589, on Oct 15 2009, 05:20 AM, said:

" * The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011"

Is this the answer to a question no one asked? It seems that way to me; why would an adventure dual-sport bike need this much motor? Sure they'll probably detune it a bit but come on. I have to assume they're using a much different frame and such, because I wouldn't want to take something this heavy out in the mud and dust, but then I guess the R1200GS isn't exactly a lightweight either.

Then again I bet this thing doesn't come to America anyway so it won't matter much to me personally, save for the fact that Honda burned development time and money on this and not some sort of RR-esque V4 bike using this new engine and nothing else from the new 1200F.


THe Giant Trailie segment is the hottest and probably most profitable market right now other than Harley clone cruisers... that is a question that plenty of people have asked. Honda would be crazy not to have a new entry in that segment. The Varadero is way overdue for replacement.

The question nobody asked is for a "rr-esque" V4 supersports bike... The spec-sheet warriors and comparison-test quote-droppers that buy gixxers and CBRs will not pay a price premium for a bike that would certainly be dynamically inferior to a CBR1000RR. A bike like that would collect dust in showrooms, just like the RC45 did.

The VFR fans who have been screaming for a bike like this do not represent the market as a whole, unfortunately. As much as I love V4 Hondas I don't think I'd buy a "VFR RR" either... it would be useless on the street, and too expensive for a trackbike. I'd rather have a cheap CBR trackbike that I could afford to crash the shit out of.

[image: View Post]phobe, on Oct 15 2009, 08:45 AM, said:

[image: View Post]pres589, on Oct 15 2009, 05:20 AM, said:

" * The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011"

Is this the answer to a question no one asked? It seems that way to me; why would an adventure dual-sport bike need this much motor? Sure they'll probably detune it a bit but come on. I have to assume they're using a much different frame and such, because I wouldn't want to take something this heavy out in the mud and dust, but then I guess the R1200GS isn't exactly a lightweight either.

Then again I bet this thing doesn't come to America anyway so it won't matter much to me personally, save for the fact that Honda burned development time and money on this and not some sort of RR-esque V4 bike using this new engine and nothing else from the new 1200F.


THe Giant Trailie segment is the hottest and probably most profitable market right now other than Harley clone cruisers... that is a question that plenty of people have asked. Honda would be crazy not to have a new entry in that segment. The Varadero is way overdue for replacement.

The question nobody asked is for a "rr-esque" V4 supersports bike... The spec-sheet warriors and comparison-test quote-droppers that buy gixxers and CBRs will not pay a price premium for a bike that would certainly be dynamically inferior to a CBR1000RR. A bike like that would collect dust in showrooms, just like the RC45 did.

The VFR fans who have been screaming for a bike like this do not represent the market as a whole, unfortunately. As much as I love V4 Hondas I don't think I'd buy a "VFR RR" either... it would be useless on the street, and too expensive for a trackbike. I'd rather have a cheap CBR trackbike that I could afford to crash the shit out of.


Just about everyone on this board wants a sportbike with good ergos and touring ability. That's why we own VFR's in the first place. Surely, not everyone wants a V4 supersport - but, if one were available I'm betting they would sell.

[image: View Post]pres589, on Oct 15 2009, 07:20 AM, said:

" * The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011"

Is this the answer to a question no one asked? It seems that way to me; why would an adventure dual-sport bike need this much motor? Sure they'll probably detune it a bit but come on. I have to assume they're using a much different frame and such, because I wouldn't want to take something this heavy out in the mud and dust, but then I guess the R1200GS isn't exactly a lightweight either.

Then again I bet this thing doesn't come to America anyway so it won't matter much to me personally, save for the fact that Honda burned development time and money on this and not some sort of RR-esque V4 bike using this new engine and nothing else from the new 1200F.

FYI.... BMW's R1200GS
438 lbs. DRY .... 495 lbs. WET(fully fueled)
Just in case someone wants to know the #'s

[image: View Post]phobe, on Oct 15 2009, 08:45 AM, said:

THe Giant Trailie segment is the hottest and probably most profitable market right now other than Harley clone cruisers... that is a question that plenty of people have asked. Honda would be crazy not to have a new entry in that segment. The Varadero is way overdue for replacement.

I rode 65,000 miles on my giant traillie, the V-Strom. I rarely took it off road. It was too big and heavy and I don't have mad dirt skillz. But I live in Michigan, where our roads suck. It's like they did all the surveying and widening but forgot to install the pavement, or forgot to maintain the pavement they did install. I continue to not get why Honda never brought us the Varadero - much of the USA has roads like the ones in Michigan. We are the ideal environment for these bikes. Giant traillies are excellent for commuting, as well - the high perch makes is easier to see, especially considering the USA's ongoing arms race for the tallest possible SUVs. I loved the ergos and the handling of the V-Strom, for the environment I ride in. But my 4th gen VFR has a much more thrilling powerplant, ergos that are not horrible, and has been way less mechanically troublesome.

The BMW GS has been on my short list for years. I like the rest of the package, but I just can't get over hating the way they pitch sideways when you come off idle. If they were cheaper I might hold my nose and go for it, but for what they charge, that's a dealbreaker. And people selling used ones are *way* too proud of their bikes.

I'm fence sitting for the VFR1200F, until I get to see one in person and sit on it. But if the bike Honda introduced last week had been a V4 GS with a shaft drive, I would already have laid down a deposit on it, sight unseen.

I like that modern day RC30 too... this is also sweet:

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[image: View Post]Monk, on Oct 15 2009, 09:38 AM, said:

FYI.... BMW's R1200GS
438 lbs. DRY .... 495 lbs. WET(fully fueled)
Just in case someone wants to know the #'s

I rented one of these for a week-long tour of northern California/Oregon, and had a Blast. What a bike! It was completely different from anything I'd ridden before, and it felt that way when I first took off on it. But I quickly adapted to it and actually had a ball on it, through ALL kinds of roads and weather (but not really off-road; though we crossed a few streams). Pretty fun to hang way off of it in the tight curvy mountain roads.

But if I had to have just one bike? I don't thinks so.... At least not while I still want to tear up mountain roads at speed. 5-10 yrs from now? Maybe....!

For the record I don't think the pitching sideways off idle thing ever bothered me... So it couldn't have been a big deal.

[image: View Post]VFRDYLAN, on Oct 15 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

[image: View Post]AB-Oz, on Oct 15 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Boooo!!! Wheres the VFR1200R ???? :(

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vfr1200r.jpg
Now that is a bike that stirs the soul and would excite me!!! Where can I put a deposit down on a beauty like that !!!

Go to the nearest Aprilia dealer and tell them you want to order an RSV4...

;p J/K!

I've said it before, I don't think a Honda V4 supersport would sell in enough #s to justify making it. Too expensive and too "different" for sheep who only buy sportbikes so they can ride what their buddies ride - mostly fast in a straight line. Would enough of us buy it to prove Honda right or wrong?

I would love to see Honda make it and I'd consider a VFR-R, but being a one-bike-at-a-time owner, I wouldn't want a supersport as my only bike. The biggest reason I own a VFR is its versatility - fast and agile enough to ride hard but comfortable enough to ride all day. (And the OEM hard bags rock.)

As for a touring edition, from what I've seen so far the newly released VFR looks touring-oriented enough as-is, tho it's not a replacement for the ST1300. I'm guessing the VFR-T will be tho.

And the VFR-X? Interesting. Would be nice to see the GS get some competition, but it would almost have to be a naked or semi-naked bike, right? :huh:

Whatever happens, it's nice to see some new bikes in Honda's line-up, esp. VFRs! :)

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Oct 15 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

[image: View Post]phobe, on Oct 15 2009, 08:45 AM, said:

THe Giant Trailie segment is the hottest and probably most profitable market right now other than Harley clone cruisers... that is a question that plenty of people have asked. Honda would be crazy not to have a new entry in that segment. The Varadero is way overdue for replacement.

I rode 65,000 miles on my giant traillie, the V-Strom. I rarely took it off road. It was too big and heavy and I don't have mad dirt skillz. But I live in Michigan, where our roads suck. It's like they did all the surveying and widening but forgot to install the pavement, or forgot to maintain the pavement they did install. I continue to not get why Honda never brought us the Varadero - much of the USA has roads like the ones in Michigan. We are the ideal environment for these bikes. Giant traillies are excellent for commuting, as well - the high perch makes is easier to see, especially considering the USA's ongoing arms race for the tallest possible SUVs. I loved the ergos and the handling of the V-Strom, for the environment I ride in. But my 4th gen VFR has a much more thrilling powerplant, ergos that are not horrible, and has been way less mechanically troublesome.

The BMW GS has been on my short list for years. I like the rest of the package, but I just can't get over hating the way they pitch sideways when you come off idle. If they were cheaper I might hold my nose and go for it, but for what they charge, that's a dealbreaker. And people selling used ones are *way* too proud of their bikes.

I'm fence sitting for the VFR1200F, until I get to see one in person and sit on it. But if the bike Honda introduced last week had been a V4 GS with a shaft drive, I would already have laid down a deposit on it, sight unseen.


if you buy either, will you sell me your tedium on the cheap?

[image: View Post]elizilla, on Oct 15 2009, 08:43 AM, said:

I rode 65,000 miles on my giant traillie, the V-Strom. I rarely took it off road. It was too big and heavy and I don't have mad dirt skillz. But I live in Michigan, where our roads suck. It's like they did all the surveying and widening but forgot to install the pavement, or forgot to maintain the pavement they did install. I continue to not get why Honda never brought us the Varadero - much of the USA has roads like the ones in Michigan. We are the ideal environment for these bikes. Giant traillies are excellent for commuting, as well - the high perch makes is easier to see, especially considering the USA's ongoing arms race for the tallest possible SUVs. I loved the ergos and the handling of the V-Strom, for the environment I ride in. But my 4th gen VFR has a much more thrilling powerplant, ergos that are not horrible, and has been way less mechanically troublesome.

The BMW GS has been on my short list for years. I like the rest of the package, but I just can't get over hating the way they pitch sideways when you come off idle. If they were cheaper I might hold my nose and go for it, but for what they charge, that's a dealbreaker. And people selling used ones are *way* too proud of their bikes.

I'm fence sitting for the VFR1200F, until I get to see one in person and sit on it. But if the bike Honda introduced last week had been a V4 GS with a shaft drive, I would already have laid down a deposit on it, sight unseen.


Have you had a chance to ride a GS12 yet. A friend just got a barely used one and I am sorely tempted. Personally I don't notice the off idle torquing all that much. It's nothing like the older generation Guzzis. They seemed to want to lay down every time you blipped the throttle. Price, yeah, price is the killer. I think my buddy paid somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 for his.

It is, though, a really sweet motorcycle.

[image: View Post]Monk, on Oct 15 2009, 05:38 AM, said:

[image: View Post]pres589, on Oct 15 2009, 07:20 AM, said:

" * The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011"

Is this the answer to a question no one asked? It seems that way to me; why would an adventure dual-sport bike need this much motor? Sure they'll probably detune it a bit but come on. I have to assume they're using a much different frame and such, because I wouldn't want to take something this heavy out in the mud and dust, but then I guess the R1200GS isn't exactly a lightweight either.

Then again I bet this thing doesn't come to America anyway so it won't matter much to me personally, save for the fact that Honda burned development time and money on this and not some sort of RR-esque V4 bike using this new engine and nothing else from the new 1200F.

FYI.... BMW's R1200GS
438 lbs. DRY .... 495 lbs. WET(fully fueled)
Just in case someone wants to know the #'s



Exactly! BMW redesigned the 1150GS with two objectives in mind: increase power (moderately) and decrease weight (a lot!!!). Kudos to BMW!

A honda competitor to the GS? That is going to be interesting. They're going to have to do a lot of tuning to that V4. I'd rather have gobs of torque down low than HP in a GS bike.

[image: View Post]The Phantom, on Oct 15 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

I like that modern day RC30 too... this is also sweet:

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YES!!!!

- Patrick

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mmmm. Actually doesn't do a bad job following the shape of the original. mmmmm. ok, dream time over.

and kind of funny, looks like the russians were thinking the same thing
Russian NR article
I'm sure there are other people here who can translate russian better than me.

And I just noticed how ridiculous the support from the tank to the windscreen looks on the new one :laugh:

JEEZUZ look at the ginormous trunk on that thing?! And we all wanted one back in the day.....
Did it even have any advantage over a VFR, in power or less mass?

[image: View Post]heatmizr, on Oct 15 2009, 12:27 PM, said:

JEEZUZ look at the ginormous trunk on that thing?! And we all wanted one back in the day.....
Did it even have any advantage over a VFR, in power or less mass?

125bhp, 14,000rpm rev limit, oval pistons, two connecting rods per piston... Essentially a miniature V8 with the pistons fused together in pairs.

But, it was 1990. Technology has changed a lot since then. But in 1990, the NR was an incredible bike.

- Patrick

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 16 2009, 12:02 AM, said:

Just about everyone on this board wants a sportbike with good ergos and touring ability. That's why we own VFR's in the first place. Surely, not everyone wants a V4 supersport - but, if one were available I'm betting they would sell.
Are you kidding me? The number of muppets here who have removed their rear footpegs, the grab rails, all the plastic fender work, half their airbox, their PAIR valves, and replaced the front end suggest otherwise!

Ergo, there is a large proportion of VFR riders who are stuck in 1988 and pretending they own an RC30!

[image: View Post]YoshiHNS, on Oct 16 2009, 05:05 AM, said:

A honda competitor to the GS? That is going to be interesting. They're going to have to do a lot of tuning to that V4. I'd rather have gobs of torque down low than HP in a GS bike.
Dude have you read the specs? This motor *already* has gobs of torque down low.

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Oct 15 2009, 03:20 AM, said:

For those of you that don't know, Australian Motorcyle News (AMCN - no relation to MCN!!) is a very well written magazine and generally has extremely reliable information.

Here are some quotes from this fortnight's edition regarding the new V4 model range:

• The dual-clutch gearbox is expected to make it to Australia in the first model release as an optional extra
  
• The auto gearbox option will be called "DCAT", and will result in a wet weight of 278kg (11kg up from the manual version)
  
• Both heads on the VFR1200F use the Unicam technology, allowing 4-valve operation off a single cam
  
• Variable cylinder management (VCM) will only be implemented on the touring model
  
• The touring model will be called the VFR1200T and will use DOHC heads to allow the use of VTEC on all 4 valves, which in turn allows the use of VCM
  
• The VFR1200T will not be released until 2011
  
• The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011

I would say this is the best evidence there is no mystical super-sporty VFR model (personally: big deal).

I like the idea of a dual sport, if it is truly competitive with the Triumph Tiger and BMW. Kind of a gentleman's Transalp. Of course the 1200GS always gets criticized for being too heavy. Here we go again...

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 15 2009, 06:12 AM, said:

Apparently it only floats around in our dreams. By the time Honda builds me the VFR750RR that I want, I will have finished amassing the tools/materials & equipment I need to build my own, and I will be halfway done with it(just like my other projects... :rolleyes: ).

The SS photochop up there looks like it could be built from a 4th gen with CBR forks, 08 1000RR tail, custom tank, and MV Agusta wheels/Agusta race fairings... do a big bore on the motor and send the cams to Dave Dodge... maybe add a blower from a mini cooper... and a set of Gixxer/Blackbird/priller mirrors... It's just time & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, easy enough, right??

That's not a photoshop. It's a real bike that's actually been out awhile. Details here:

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[image: View Post]EmeraldVFR, on Oct 15 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 15 2009, 06:12 AM, said:

Apparently it only floats around in our dreams. By the time Honda builds me the VFR750RR that I want, I will have finished amassing the tools/materials & equipment I need to build my own, and I will be halfway done with it(just like my other projects... :rolleyes: ).

The SS photochop up there looks like it could be built from a 4th gen with CBR forks, 08 1000RR tail, custom tank, and MV Agusta wheels/Agusta race fairings... do a big bore on the motor and send the cams to Dave Dodge... maybe add a blower from a mini cooper... and a set of Gixxer/Blackbird/priller mirrors... It's just time & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, easy enough, right??

That's not a photoshop. It's a real bike that's actually been out awhile. Details here:


It's a photoshopped bike on a real piece of paper you mean?

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 15 2009, 06:00 PM, said:

[image: View Post]EmeraldVFR, on Oct 15 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 15 2009, 06:12 AM, said:

Apparently it only floats around in our dreams. By the time Honda builds me the VFR750RR that I want, I will have finished amassing the tools/materials & equipment I need to build my own, and I will be halfway done with it(just like my other projects... :rolleyes: ).

The SS photochop up there looks like it could be built from a 4th gen with CBR forks, 08 1000RR tail, custom tank, and MV Agusta wheels/Agusta race fairings... do a big bore on the motor and send the cams to Dave Dodge... maybe add a blower from a mini cooper... and a set of Gixxer/Blackbird/priller mirrors... It's just time & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, easy enough, right??

That's not a photoshop. It's a real bike that's actually been out awhile. Details here:


It's a photoshopped bike on a real piece of paper you mean?


I doubt it. It's been on display before (i.e. in real life) for people to see.

[image: View Post]EmeraldVFR, on Oct 15 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 15 2009, 06:00 PM, said:

[image: View Post]EmeraldVFR, on Oct 15 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 15 2009, 06:12 AM, said:

Apparently it only floats around in our dreams. By the time Honda builds me the VFR750RR that I want, I will have finished amassing the tools/materials & equipment I need to build my own, and I will be halfway done with it(just like my other projects... :rolleyes: ).

The SS photochop up there looks like it could be built from a 4th gen with CBR forks, 08 1000RR tail, custom tank, and MV Agusta wheels/Agusta race fairings... do a big bore on the motor and send the cams to Dave Dodge... maybe add a blower from a mini cooper... and a set of Gixxer/Blackbird/priller mirrors... It's just time & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, easy enough, right??

That's not a photoshop. It's a real bike that's actually been out awhile. Details here:


It's a photoshopped bike on a real piece of paper you mean?


I doubt it. It's been on display before (i.e. in real life) for people to see.

Really sounds like a 'what if' article. If they went to the trouble of actually building it, very cool.

[image: View Post]vfrcapn, on Oct 15 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

Really sounds like a 'what if' article. If they went to the trouble of actually building it, very cool.

The article makes it pretty clear it's just an artists rendering. I know you have to squint, but it pretty plainly says "so we (the magazine) made our own."

Where's the pictures of it in the wild, if there was a real one made?

Vostok 7

[image: View Post]EmeraldVFR, on Oct 16 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

I doubt it. It's been on display before (i.e. in real life) for people to see.

where, when, what, pix etc?????

That is some really nice photo shop ograpy. I'd buy one.

If I can find a pic, I'll post it.

All the bike is is a parts bin bike. It's got parts from at least four different motorcycles. It's nothing more than somebody's idea of what they think a modern-day RC30 should/would look like. I doubt this one-off bike is competitive and I seriously doubt it's anywhere near ready for a production run.

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Oct 15 2009, 06:20 AM, said:

For those of you that don't know, Australian Motorcyle News (AMCN - no relation to MCN!!) is a very well written magazine and generally has extremely reliable information.

Here are some quotes from this fortnight's edition regarding the new V4 model range:

• The dual-clutch gearbox is expected to make it to Australia in the first model release as an optional extra
  
• The auto gearbox option will be called "DCAT", and will result in a wet weight of 278kg (11kg up from the manual version)
  
• Both heads on the VFR1200F use the Unicam technology, allowing 4-valve operation off a single cam
  
• Variable cylinder management (VCM) will only be implemented on the touring model
  
• The touring model will be called the VFR1200T and will use DOHC heads to allow the use of VTEC on all 4 valves, which in turn allows the use of VCM
  
• The VFR1200T will not be released until 2011
  
• The mystery remaining model is a dual-sport machine in the same vein as the BMW R1200GS Adventure and has been dubbed the VFR1200X, and will not be released until at least 2011

I would say this is the best evidence there is no mystical super-sporty VFR model (personally: big deal).


Wow, this sounds AMAZINGLY similar to what I posted over a month ago... To wit:

[image: View Post]Echo3Niner, on Oct 7 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

Here is what I posted on the 'other' site some time ago (about a month, nothing's changed), based on a lot of research and talking to some folks... So far, it's been pretty spot on. The quote at the bottom (from MCN though) does leave some hope for a VFR-R model at some point...

So, here is my guess on models:
VFR1200F (EDIT: NOT VFR1200R): Replacing the VFR and Blackbird, the one we've seen the spy shots of.
VFR1200T: Touring, replacing the ST / Pan European.
VFR1200X: An adventure GS fighter, replacing the Varadero (I originally included concept art).

I'm also guessing it may get revealed at the Tokyo Motor Show on October 21st (press day), open to public on October 24th... (EDIT: I was right!)

There will be more to follow:
"First V4s just the 'tip of the iceberg'
The first V4s - the sports-tourer and Pan European/Blackbird-replacement scooped by MCN - are 'just the tip of the iceberg' according to project engineers. Hinting that V4 power will be at the heart of a generation of machines from Honda, MCN's Japanese source revealed the firm is working on a dynasty to overshadow even that of the iconic Fireblade.

"When we first launched the Fireblade in 1992 we had a plan that stretched as far into the future as the 954cc version of 2002. It's the same with the V4s. There are many branches to the family."

Just saying...

[image: View Post]EmeraldVFR, on Oct 16 2009, 09:03 AM, said:

That's not a photoshop. It's a real bike that's actually been out awhile.

The magazine guys that knocked that artists impression up do it on a regular basis, here's another one. I don't think anyone has built any actual concept bikes from them. For starters, to do the RC30x you'd need an RC211V frame, and Honda crushes those when they come back from the race teams...

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[image: View Post]kaldek, on Oct 15 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 16 2009, 12:02 AM, said:

Just about everyone on this board wants a sportbike with good ergos and touring ability. That's why we own VFR's in the first place. Surely, not everyone wants a V4 supersport - but, if one were available I'm betting they would sell.
Are you kidding me? The number of muppets here who have removed their rear footpegs, the grab rails, all the plastic fender work, half their airbox, their PAIR valves, and replaced the front end suggest otherwise!

Ergo, there is a large proportion of VFR riders who are stuck in 1988 and pretending they own an RC30!


Sorry if my emphasis on "SPORT" didn't convey; I believe we're saying the same thing - I want a V4 powered supersport that I can ride all day comfortably!

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 16 2009, 02:22 AM, said:

[image: View Post]kaldek, on Oct 15 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

[image: View Post]SEBSPEED, on Oct 16 2009, 12:02 AM, said:

Just about everyone on this board wants a sportbike with good ergos and touring ability. That's why we own VFR's in the first place. Surely, not everyone wants a V4 supersport - but, if one were available I'm betting they would sell.
Are you kidding me? The number of muppets here who have removed their rear footpegs, the grab rails, all the plastic fender work, half their airbox, their PAIR valves, and replaced the front end suggest otherwise!

Ergo, there is a large proportion of VFR riders who are stuck in 1988 and pretending they own an RC30!


Sorry if my emphasis on "SPORT" didn't convey; I believe we're saying the same thing - I want a V4 powered supersport that I can ride all day comfortably!


SEB, that's what I want too! Perfect description!

THey should use a bigger version of this engine in a power cruiser to take on the VMAX.


Bring back the Magna!

I think the biggest clue that Honda doesnt really consider this as a sportbike is the conspicuous absence of a solo cowl.

In patrol service area 501 we call that a clue.

[image: View Post]phobe, on Oct 15 2009, 07:45 AM, said:

A bike like that would collect dust in showrooms, just like the RC45 did.

I doubt they had time for the techs to finish uncrating. Only 200 were made over 5 years.